Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....Love and regards,gopi. , "astro_tellerkerala" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some astrologers> > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > rgrds sunil nair> > > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gopi JI> >> > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites may b> > knowing it> >> > even this was discussed many times in grp> >> > i do remebr it but forget full quote> >> > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv ,means sat> will> > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will distroy> > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of the> > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> >> > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> >> > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it has not> > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not work for> > others )> >> > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest scenario in> > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons were under> > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> >> > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms of Landed> > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so in> kerala> > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where Military is> > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and youths and> > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian deserts wont> > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> >> > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> >> > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or may not b> > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of its> > placement> > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I found it> > working> > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known astrologer......> > > Love and regards,> > > gopi.> > > , "Karan" karan@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > >> > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me jupiter is> > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction no matter> > how> > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > satisfied.> > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable wherein i have> > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and creates a> > > dissatisfaction again.> > > >> > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > >> > > > best regards> > > >> > > > Karan> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Manoj Chandran> > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > >> > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit concept is> very> > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it. Hence my> > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > -Manoj> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________________________________> > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear> Gopi> > > Jee> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > >> > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching and> > Account> > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural Saturn> > house> > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work than he> will> > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > >> > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see the> chalit> > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in 12th,Moon is in> > 3rd> > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu have> > placed.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> Chandran> > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because this is> one> > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not necessarily> > great.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > Gopi> > > Jee> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > >> > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > >> > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in kali yuga> > as> > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga ( means NON> > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > >> > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut -throat> > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a attitude ??> > > > > >> > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv only rs 2> > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> temporary> > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga and who> can> > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > Chandran> > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru in the> 10H> > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who have> very> > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will make them> > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other people. Some> > of> > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house of> Jupiter,> > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the 6H of> > Work> > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to go past> > the> > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be denied> > and> > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one factor ...> but> > my> > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain career> > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept -dear> Gopi> > > Jee> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept tagging to> Natal> > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th House> and> > u> > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other factors> than> > we> > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna charts> only> > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its effects> > etc> > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the time of> > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and results> > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some animals> > or> > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices ,where as> > it> > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also in> humans> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone structure> > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the saraswathi> yoga> > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid --just leav> > their> > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement is> > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd lord of> > > speach(note> > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck apart from> > VRY> > > can talk> > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in 2nd asp> by> > > badhaka> > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being in your> > 2nd> > > house,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be blamed> > but> > > ones> > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances done in> > present> > > Life as> > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as Kriyamana> > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is Saturn to be> > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest significator> in> > > Your> > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and happiness> > > from family> > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from planets> like> > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint them> > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> punching> > > bag for> > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses normal> > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house of karm> > and> > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars is the> > > agression in> > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in the> natural> > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant happiness> both> > > material and> > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the Supreme Lord> and> > > one must> > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech and> > treatment> > > . remember> > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just instruments to> > > award us> > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the various> planets> > > just show> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains and> > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in the> field> > > he is in.> > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that you are> > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20 years ? I am> > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji,> > His> > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, and His> > guru> > > Shri> > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and undermine his> > Gurus> > > by saying> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look good by> > > saying that> > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if normally> common> > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing Kriya> yoga,> > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to your name> ?> > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the Great> > Astrologer> > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> considers> > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His Shishya was> > Shri> > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his shishya is> > myself> > > as having> > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is why I> never> > > allow> > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for> > last> > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand respect> due> > to> > > this> > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong Sau or> > > energisations> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are doing> > this,> > > you have> > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear ordinary and> > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> attainments> > if> > > you are> > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i dont> deserve> > > anything> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant help since> > sat> > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and a> > realized> > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start living> and> > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and Energisation> > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a unique> member> > > in this> > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I would> > consider> > > as most> > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58:38 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing which i> > like> > > very> > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me with> sir> > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga of> > > paramhans> > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > istadevta/kuldevta> > > etc,may> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th lord> and> > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Dear gopi ji sure ,Thanks rgrds sunil nair , "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> Love and regards,> gopi.> , "astro_tellerkerala"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gopi Ji and List> >> > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some astrologers> >> > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> >> > Tho it does not hav any textual support> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Gopi JI> > >> > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites may b> > > knowing it> > >> > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > >> > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > >> > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv ,means sat> > will> > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> distroy> > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of the> > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > >> > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > >> > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it has> not> > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not work> for> > > others )> > >> > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest scenario> in> > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons were> under> > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > >> > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms of> Landed> > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so in> > kerala> > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where Military> is> > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and youths> and> > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian deserts> wont> > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > >> > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > >> > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or may not> b> > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of its> > > placement> > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I found it> > > working> > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> astrologer......> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , "Karan" karan@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > >> > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me jupiter> is> > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction no> matter> > > how> > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > satisfied.> > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable wherein i> have> > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and creates a> > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > >> > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > >> > > > > best regards> > > > >> > > > > Karan> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Manoj Chandran> > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit concept is> > very> > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it. Hence my> > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > Gopi> > > > Jee> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching and> > > Account> > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural Saturn> > > house> > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work than he> > will> > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > >> > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see the> > chalit> > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in 12th,Moon is> in> > > 3rd> > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu have> > > placed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > Chandran> > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because this is> > one> > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not necessarily> > > great.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> -dear> > > Gopi> > > > Jee> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in kali> yuga> > > as> > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga ( means> NON> > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut -throat> > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a attitude ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv only rs> 2> > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > temporary> > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga and who> > can> > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > Chandran> > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru in the> > 10H> > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who have> > very> > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will make> them> > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other people.> Some> > > of> > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house of> > Jupiter,> > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the 6H of> > > Work> > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to go> past> > > the> > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> denied> > > and> > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one factor ...> > but> > > my> > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain career> > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept -dear> > Gopi> > > > Jee> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept tagging to> > Natal> > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th House> > and> > > u> > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other factors> > than> > > we> > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna charts> > only> > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> effects> > > etc> > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the time> of> > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> results> > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> animals> > > or> > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices ,where> as> > > it> > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also in> > humans> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> structure> > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the saraswathi> > yoga> > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid --just leav> > > their> > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement is> > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd lord> of> > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck apart> from> > > VRY> > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in 2nd> asp> > by> > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being in> your> > > 2nd> > > > house,> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> blamed> > > but> > > > ones> > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances done in> > > present> > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as Kriyamana> > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is Saturn to> be> > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> significator> > in> > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> happiness> > > > from family> > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from planets> > like> > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint them> > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > punching> > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses normal> > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house of> karm> > > and> > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars is the> > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in the> > natural> > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant happiness> > both> > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the Supreme Lord> > and> > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech and> > > treatment> > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just instruments> to> > > > award us> > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the various> > planets> > > > just show> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains and> > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in the> > field> > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that you> are> > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20 years ? I> am> > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> Yoganandji,> > > His> > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, and His> > > guru> > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and undermine his> > > Gurus> > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look good> by> > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if normally> > common> > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing Kriya> > yoga,> > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to your> name> > ?> > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the Great> > > Astrologer> > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > considers> > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His Shishya was> > > Shri> > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his shishya is> > > myself> > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is why I> > never> > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji> for> > > last> > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand respect> > due> > > to> > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong Sau or> > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are doing> > > this,> > > > you have> > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear ordinary and> > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > attainments> > > if> > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i dont> > deserve> > > > anything> > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant help> since> > > sat> > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and a> > > realized> > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start living> > and> > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and Energisation> > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a unique> > member> > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I would> > > consider> > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58:38 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing which> i> > > like> > > > very> > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me with> > sir> > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga of> > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th lord> > and> > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:"If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"Regards,G. K. Goel From: astro_tellerkeralaDate: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000 Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee Dear gopi ji sure ,Thanks rgrds sunil nair , "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> Love and regards,> gopi.> , "astro_tellerkerala"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gopi Ji and List> >> > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some astrologers> >> > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> >> > Tho it does not hav any textual support> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Gopi JI> > >> > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites may b> > > knowing it> > >> > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > >> > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > >> > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv ,means sat> > will> > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> distroy> > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of the> > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > >> > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > >> > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it has> not> > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not work> for> > > others )> > >> > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest scenario> in> > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons were> under> > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > >> > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms of> Landed> > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so in> > kerala> > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where Military> is> > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and youths> and> > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian deserts> wont> > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > >> > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > >> > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or may not> b> > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of its> > > placement> > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I found it> > > working> > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> astrologer......> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , "Karan" karan@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > >> > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me jupiter> is> > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction no> matter> > > how> > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > satisfied.> > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable wherein i> have> > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and creates a> > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > >> > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > >> > > > > best regards> > > > >> > > > > Karan> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Manoj Chandran> > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit concept is> > very> > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it. Hence my> > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > Gopi> > > > Jee> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching and> > > Account> > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural Saturn> > > house> > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work than he> > will> > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > >> > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see the> > chalit> > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in 12th,Moon is> in> > > 3rd> > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu have> > > placed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > Chandran> > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because this is> > one> > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not necessarily> > > great.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> -dear> > > Gopi> > > > Jee> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in kali> yuga> > > as> > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga ( means> NON> > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut -throat> > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a attitude ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv only rs> 2> > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > temporary> > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga and who> > can> > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > Chandran> > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru in the> > 10H> > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who have> > very> > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will make> them> > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other people.> Some> > > of> > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house of> > Jupiter,> > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the 6H of> > > Work> > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to go> past> > > the> > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> denied> > > and> > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one factor ...> > but> > > my> > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain career> > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept -dear> > Gopi> > > > Jee> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept tagging to> > Natal> > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th House> > and> > > u> > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other factors> > than> > > we> > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna charts> > only> > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> effects> > > etc> > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the time> of> > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> results> > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> animals> > > or> > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices ,where> as> > > it> > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also in> > humans> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> structure> > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the saraswathi> > yoga> > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid --just leav> > > their> > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement is> > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd lord> of> > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck apart> from> > > VRY> > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in 2nd> asp> > by> > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being in> your> > > 2nd> > > > house,> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> blamed> > > but> > > > ones> > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances done in> > > present> > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as Kriyamana> > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is Saturn to> be> > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> significator> > in> > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> happiness> > > > from family> > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from planets> > like> > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint them> > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > punching> > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses normal> > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house of> karm> > > and> > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars is the> > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in the> > natural> > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant happiness> > both> > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the Supreme Lord> > and> > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech and> > > treatment> > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just instruments> to> > > > award us> > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the various> > planets> > > > just show> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains and> > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in the> > field> > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that you> are> > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20 years ? I> am> > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> Yoganandji,> > > His> > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, and His> > > guru> > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and undermine his> > > Gurus> > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look good> by> > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if normally> > common> > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing Kriya> > yoga,> > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to your> name> > ?> > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the Great> > > Astrologer> > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > considers> > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His Shishya was> > > Shri> > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his shishya is> > > myself> > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is why I> > never> > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji> for> > > last> > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand respect> > due> > > to> > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong Sau or> > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are doing> > > this,> > > > you have> > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear ordinary and> > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > attainments> > > if> > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i dont> > deserve> > > > anything> > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant help> since> > > sat> > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and a> > > realized> > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start living> > and> > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and Energisation> > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a unique> > member> > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I would> > > consider> > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58:38 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing which> i> > > like> > > > very> > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me with> > sir> > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga of> > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th lord> > and> > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. 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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 dear Goel Ji i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in astrology other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it rgrds sunil nair , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> Regards,> > G. K. Goel> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear gopi ji > > sure ,Thanks > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > >> > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some astrologers> > >> > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > >> > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > >> > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > >> > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites may b> > > > knowing it> > > >> > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > >> > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > >> > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv ,means sat> > > will> > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> > distroy> > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of the> > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > >> > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > >> > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it has> > not> > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not work> > for> > > > others )> > > >> > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest scenario> > in> > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons were> > under> > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > >> > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms of> > Landed> > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so in> > > kerala> > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where Military> > is> > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and youths> > and> > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian deserts> > wont> > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > >> > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > >> > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or may not> > b> > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of its> > > > placement> > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I found it> > > > working> > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > astrologer......> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > , "Karan" karan@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > >> > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me jupiter> > is> > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction no> > matter> > > > how> > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > > satisfied.> > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable wherein i> > have> > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and creates a> > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > >> > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > >> > > > > > best regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Karan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , Manoj Chandran> > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit concept is> > > very> > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it. Hence my> > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > > Gopi> > > > > Jee> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching and> > > > Account> > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural Saturn> > > > house> > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work than he> > > will> > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see the> > > chalit> > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in 12th,Moon is> > in> > > > 3rd> > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu have> > > > placed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > Chandran> > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because this is> > > one> > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not necessarily> > > > great.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > -dear> > > > Gopi> > > > > Jee> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in kali> > yuga> > > > as> > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga ( means> > NON> > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut -throat> > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a attitude ??> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv only rs> > 2> > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > > temporary> > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga and who> > > can> > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > Chandran> > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru in the> > > 10H> > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who have> > > very> > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will make> > them> > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other people.> > Some> > > > of> > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house of> > > Jupiter,> > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the 6H of> > > > Work> > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to go> > past> > > > the> > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> > denied> > > > and> > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one factor ...> > > but> > > > my> > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain career> > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept -dear> > > Gopi> > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept tagging to> > > Natal> > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th House> > > and> > > > u> > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other factors> > > than> > > > we> > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna charts> > > only> > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> > effects> > > > etc> > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the time> > of> > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> > results> > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> > animals> > > > or> > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices ,where> > as> > > > it> > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also in> > > humans> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > structure> > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the saraswathi> > > yoga> > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid --just leav> > > > their> > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement is> > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd lord> > of> > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck apart> > from> > > > VRY> > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in 2nd> > asp> > > by> > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being in> > your> > > > 2nd> > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> > blamed> > > > but> > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances done in> > > > present> > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as Kriyamana> > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is Saturn to> > be> > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > significator> > > in> > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > happiness> > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from planets> > > like> > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint them> > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > > punching> > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses normal> > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house of> > karm> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars is the> > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in the> > > natural> > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant happiness> > > both> > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the Supreme Lord> > > and> > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech and> > > > treatment> > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just instruments> > to> > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the various> > > planets> > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains and> > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in the> > > field> > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that you> > are> > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20 years ? I> > am> > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > Yoganandji,> > > > His> > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, and His> > > > guru> > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and undermine his> > > > Gurus> > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look good> > by> > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if normally> > > common> > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing Kriya> > > yoga,> > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to your> > name> > > ?> > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the Great> > > > Astrologer> > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > > considers> > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His Shishya was> > > > Shri> > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his shishya is> > > > myself> > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is why I> > > never> > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji> > for> > > > last> > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand respect> > > due> > > > to> > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong Sau or> > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are doing> > > > this,> > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear ordinary and> > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > attainments> > > > if> > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i dont> > > deserve> > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant help> > since> > > > sat> > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and a> > > > realized> > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start living> > > and> > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and Energisation> > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a unique> > > member> > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I would> > > > consider> > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58:38 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing which> > i> > > > like> > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me with> > > sir> > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga of> > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th lord> > > and> > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™.> http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dear Nair JI, I have no claims . Present day astrology is not only depend what ever was said or written in the form of slokas by our ancestors. Many concepts have since been changed and successfully adopted by modern generations. This does not in any way a reflection on the great enguinity of our sages. If the present generations are showing some new innovation our ancestors must be happy. By the way what is your explanation on THE RESULTS OF JUPITER AND SATURN as this will show us light. Regards, G. K. Goel astro_tellerkerala Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:08:49 +0000 Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee dear Goel Ji i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in astrology other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it rgrds sunil nair , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that: > " If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava " > Regards, > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000 > Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear gopi ji > > sure ,Thanks > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks.... > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > , " astro_tellerkerala " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some astrologers > > > > > > XXXXX " " " " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau > > > shani: " " " " " " " XXXXXX > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > , " astro_tellerkerala " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites may b > > > > knowing it > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv ,means sat > > > will > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will > > distroy > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of the > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ?? > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it has > > not > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not work > > for > > > > others ) > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest scenario > > in > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons were > > under > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms of > > Landed > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so in > > > kerala > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where Military > > is > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and youths > > and > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian deserts > > wont > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living . > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or may not > > b > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of its > > > > placement > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I found it > > > > working > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known > > astrologer...... > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > , " Karan " karan@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me jupiter > > is > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction no > > matter > > > > how > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable wherein i > > have > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and creates a > > > > > dissatisfaction again. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Karan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit concept is > > > very > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it. Hence my > > > > > default view is always Rashi view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM > > > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear > > > Gopi > > > > > Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching and > > > > Account > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural Saturn > > > > house > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work than he > > > will > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see the > > > chalit > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in 12th,Moon is > > in > > > > 3rd > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu have > > > > placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj > > > Chandran > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because this is > > > one > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not necessarily > > > > great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept > > -dear > > > > Gopi > > > > > Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in kali > > yuga > > > > as > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga ( means > > NON > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut -throat > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a attitude ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv only rs > > 2 > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a > > > temporary > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga and who > > > can > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj > > > > Chandran > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru in the > > > 10H > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who have > > > very > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will make > > them > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other people. > > Some > > > > of > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house of > > > Jupiter, > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it " enhances " the 6H of > > > > Work > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to go > > past > > > > the > > > > > " worker " mode to the " boss " mode. So promotions etc might be > > denied > > > > and > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one factor ... > > > but > > > > my > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain career > > > > > problems with this placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept -dear > > > Gopi > > > > > Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept tagging to > > > Natal > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th House > > > and > > > > u > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other factors > > > than > > > > we > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna charts > > > only > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its > > effects > > > > etc > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the time > > of > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and > > results > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some > > animals > > > > or > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices ,where > > as > > > > it > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also in > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone > > structure > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the saraswathi > > > yoga > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid --just leav > > > > their > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a > > > > > subjective(astrolog y) > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement is > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc. > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd lord > > of > > > > > speach(note > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck apart > > from > > > > VRY > > > > > can talk > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in 2nd > > asp > > > by > > > > > badhaka > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else.... > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being in > > your > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be > > blamed > > > > but > > > > > ones > > > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances done in > > > > present > > > > > Life as > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as Kriyamana > > > > > Karmas. Why > > > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is Saturn to > > be > > > > > blamed kindly > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest > > significator > > > in > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and > > happiness > > > > > from family > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from planets > > > like > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint them > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a > > > punching > > > > > bag for > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses normal > > > > > commonsense one > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house of > > karm > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > resultant > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars is the > > > > > agression in > > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in the > > > natural > > > > > 10th. Rahu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant happiness > > > both > > > > > material and > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the Supreme Lord > > > and > > > > > one must > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech and > > > > treatment > > > > > . remember > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just instruments > > to > > > > > award us > > > > > > > > > > pains > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the various > > > planets > > > > > just show > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains and > > > > > pleasures which > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in the > > > field > > > > > he is in. > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that you > > are > > > > > doing Kriya > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20 years ? I > > am > > > > > sure you know > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa > > Yoganandji, > > > > His > > > > > guru Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, and His > > > > guru > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > Babaji. > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and undermine his > > > > Gurus > > > > > by saying > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look good > > by > > > > > saying that > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if normally > > > common > > > > > uniqueness > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing Kriya > > > yoga, > > > > > as must be > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a " Shri " addressed to your > > name > > > ? > > > > > with above ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the Great > > > > Astrologer > > > > > Shri K S > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one > > > considers > > > > > the term as > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His Shishya was > > > > Shri > > > > > kasbe ji, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his shishya is > > > > myself > > > > > as having > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is why I > > > never > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji > > for > > > > last > > > > > 15 Years > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand respect > > > due > > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong Sau or > > > > > energisations > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > Om > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are doing > > > > this, > > > > > you have > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear ordinary and > > > > > unnecessary > > > > > > > > > > > humble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your > > > attainments > > > > if > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i dont > > > deserve > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant help > > since > > > > sat > > > > > in my 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and a > > > > realized > > > > > one whom i > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start living > > > and > > > > > made me > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and Energisation > > > > > excersises of Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a unique > > > member > > > > > in this > > > > > > > > > > > august > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix " Shri " also I would > > > > consider > > > > > as most > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > Neechabanga > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing which > > i > > > > like > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me with > > > sir > > > > > etc.Manoj ji > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga of > > > > > paramhans > > > > > > > > > > yogananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no > > > > istadevta/kuldevta > > > > > etc,may > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th lord > > > and > > > > > 5th lord as > > > > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. > http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/ > _______________ Stay updated! 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Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dear Goel Ji Thanks for the post ##### u said ***present day astrology is Not only depend on what ever said or written in the form of shlokas by our ancestors ###### How many knows it ?? how many has realy mastered it in modern day other than some Phala bhaga discussions in some magazines / or publishing some books in the name of revealing secrets in the name of some parampara where some chart ( most of it u cannot verify as it is the chart which he selected to do the write up than he done a real reserch ) will b always discussed to suit to his imagination and when in actual situtations u can find it will never work.#######also u asked me my opinion on this aspects of jup and sat and their power to destroy or enhance a house #####If u search in grp it has been discussed several times ,i was sticking to the basics without contributing any thing of my own so i hav nothing new to wrrite or contribute to future generation of astrologers As i never find sat is giving stana vridhi ( other than tru some diseases which can contribute the bulging of that bodily part ) Nor jup realy destorys a house if it is in under Normal circumstances in a chart ,where no other exceptions r applicable This Adage itself is against very very basics of astrology .rgrds sunil nair , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> Dear Nair JI,> I have no claims .> > Present day astrology is not only depend what ever was said> or written in the form of slokas by our ancestors.> Many concepts have since been changed and successfully adopted> by modern generations.> This does not in any way a reflection on the great enguinity of our sages.> If the present generations are showing some new innovation our ancestors must be happy.> > By the way what is your explanation on THE RESULTS OF JUPITER AND SATURN as> this will show us light.> Regards,> > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:08:49 +0000> Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Goel Ji> > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in astrology> > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > rgrds sunil nair> > > , gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> >> >> > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > Regards,> >> > G. K. Goel> >> >> >> >> > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear gopi ji> >> > sure ,Thanks> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> > > Love and regards,> > > gopi.> > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > >> > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some astrologers> > > >> > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > > >> > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > >> > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites may b> > > > > knowing it> > > > >> > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > >> > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > >> > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv ,means sat> > > > will> > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> > > distroy> > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of the> > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > >> > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > >> > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it has> > > not> > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not work> > > for> > > > > others )> > > > >> > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest scenario> > > in> > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons were> > > under> > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > >> > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms of> > > Landed> > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so in> > > > kerala> > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where Military> > > is> > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and youths> > > and> > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian deserts> > > wont> > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > >> > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > >> > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or may not> > > b> > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of its> > > > > placement> > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I found it> > > > > working> > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > astrologer......> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > , "Karan" karan@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me jupiter> > > is> > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction no> > > matter> > > > > how> > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable wherein i> > > have> > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and creates a> > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran> > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit concept is> > > > very> > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it. Hence my> > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > > > Gopi> > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching and> > > > > Account> > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural Saturn> > > > > house> > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work than he> > > > will> > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see the> > > > chalit> > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in 12th,Moon is> > > in> > > > > 3rd> > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu have> > > > > placed.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > Chandran> > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because this is> > > > one> > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not necessarily> > > > > great.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > > -dear> > > > > Gopi> > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in kali> > > yuga> > > > > as> > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga ( means> > > NON> > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut -throat> > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a attitude ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv only rs> > > 2> > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > > > temporary> > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga and who> > > > can> > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru in the> > > > 10H> > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who have> > > > very> > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will make> > > them> > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other people.> > > Some> > > > > of> > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house of> > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the 6H of> > > > > Work> > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to go> > > past> > > > > the> > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> > > denied> > > > > and> > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one factor ...> > > > but> > > > > my> > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain career> > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept -dear> > > > Gopi> > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept tagging to> > > > Natal> > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th House> > > > and> > > > > u> > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other factors> > > > than> > > > > we> > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna charts> > > > only> > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> > > effects> > > > > etc> > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the time> > > of> > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> > > results> > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> > > animals> > > > > or> > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices ,where> > > as> > > > > it> > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also in> > > > humans> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > structure> > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the saraswathi> > > > yoga> > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid --just leav> > > > > their> > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement is> > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd lord> > > of> > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck apart> > > from> > > > > VRY> > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in 2nd> > > asp> > > > by> > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being in> > > your> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> > > blamed> > > > > but> > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances done in> > > > > present> > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as Kriyamana> > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is Saturn to> > > be> > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > significator> > > > in> > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > happiness> > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from planets> > > > like> > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint them> > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > > > punching> > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses normal> > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house of> > > karm> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars is the> > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in the> > > > natural> > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant happiness> > > > both> > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the Supreme Lord> > > > and> > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech and> > > > > treatment> > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just instruments> > > to> > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the various> > > > planets> > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains and> > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in the> > > > field> > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that you> > > are> > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20 years ? I> > > am> > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > Yoganandji,> > > > > His> > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, and His> > > > > guru> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and undermine his> > > > > Gurus> > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look good> > > by> > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if normally> > > > common> > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing Kriya> > > > yoga,> > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to your> > > name> > > > ?> > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the Great> > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > > > considers> > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His Shishya was> > > > > Shri> > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his shishya is> > > > > myself> > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is why I> > > > never> > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji> > > for> > > > > last> > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand respect> > > > due> > > > > to> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong Sau or> > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are doing> > > > > this,> > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear ordinary and> > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > attainments> > > > > if> > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i dont> > > > deserve> > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant help> > > since> > > > > sat> > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and a> > > > > realized> > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start living> > > > and> > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and Energisation> > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a unique> > > > member> > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I would> > > > > consider> > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58:38 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing which> > > i> > > > > like> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me with> > > > sir> > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga of> > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th lord> > > > and> > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________> > More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™.> > http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> Stay updated! 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Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay Goeljaipur , "astro_tellerkerala" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > dear Goel Ji> > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in> astrology> > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > rgrds sunil nair> > > , gopal krishna goel> g.k.goel@ wrote:> >> >> > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > Regards,> >> > G. K. Goel> >> >> >> >> > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear gopi ji> >> > sure ,Thanks> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> > > Love and regards,> > > gopi.> > > ,> "astro_tellerkerala"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > >> > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> astrologers> > > >> > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > > >> > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ,> "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > >> > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites> may b> > > > > knowing it> > > > >> > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > >> > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > >> > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv ,means> sat> > > > will> > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> > > distroy> > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of> the> > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > >> > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > >> > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it> has> > > not> > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> work> > > for> > > > > others )> > > > >> > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> scenario> > > in> > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons were> > > under> > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > >> > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms of> > > Landed> > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so> in> > > > kerala> > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> Military> > > is> > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> youths> > > and> > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> deserts> > > wont> > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > >> > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > >> > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or may> not> > > b> > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of its> > > > > placement> > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I found> it> > > > > working> > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > astrologer......> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > , "Karan"> karan@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> jupiter> > > is> > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction no> > > matter> > > > > how> > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable wherein> i> > > have> > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and creates> a> > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Manoj> Chandran> > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit concept> is> > > > very> > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it. Hence> my> > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept> -dear> > > > Gopi> > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching> and> > > > > Account> > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural> Saturn> > > > > house> > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work than> he> > > > will> > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see> the> > > > chalit> > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in 12th,Moon> is> > > in> > > > > 3rd> > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu> have> > > > > placed.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > Chandran> > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> this is> > > > one> > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> necessarily> > > > > great.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > > -dear> > > > > Gopi> > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> kali> > > yuga> > > > > as> > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> means> > > NON> > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut -throat> > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a attitude> ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv only> rs> > > 2> > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > > > temporary> > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga and> who> > > > can> > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru in> the> > > > 10H> > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who> have> > > > very> > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will make> > > them> > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> people.> > > Some> > > > > of> > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house of> > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the> 6H of> > > > > Work> > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to go> > > past> > > > > the> > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> > > denied> > > > > and> > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one factor> ...> > > > but> > > > > my> > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> career> > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept> -dear> > > > Gopi> > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept tagging> to> > > > Natal> > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th> House> > > > and> > > > > u> > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> factors> > > > than> > > > > we> > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> charts> > > > only> > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> > > effects> > > > > etc> > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the> time> > > of> > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> > > results> > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> > > animals> > > > > or> > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> ,where> > > as> > > > > it> > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also in> > > > humans> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > structure> > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> saraswathi> > > > yoga> > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid --just> leav> > > > > their> > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement is> > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd> lord> > > of> > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> apart> > > from> > > > > VRY> > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in> 2nd> > > asp> > > > by> > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being> in> > > your> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> > > blamed> > > > > but> > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances done> in> > > > > present> > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> Kriyamana> > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is Saturn> to> > > be> > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > significator> > > > in> > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > happiness> > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> planets> > > > like> > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint> them> > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > > > punching> > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses normal> > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house> of> > > karm> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars is> the> > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in the> > > > natural> > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> happiness> > > > both> > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the Supreme> Lord> > > > and> > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech and> > > > > treatment> > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> instruments> > > to> > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the various> > > > planets> > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains> and> > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in> the> > > > field> > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that> you> > > are> > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20 years> ? I> > > am> > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > Yoganandji,> > > > > His> > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, and> His> > > > > guru> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and undermine> his> > > > > Gurus> > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look> good> > > by> > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if normally> > > > common> > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> Kriya> > > > yoga,> > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to your> > > name> > > > ?> > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the Great> > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > > > considers> > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His Shishya> was> > > > > Shri> > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his shishya> is> > > > > myself> > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is why> I> > > > never> > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> Yoganandji> > > for> > > > > last> > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> respect> > > > due> > > > > to> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong> Sau or> > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are> doing> > > > > this,> > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear ordinary> and> > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > attainments> > > > > if> > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i dont> > > > deserve> > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant help> > > since> > > > > sat> > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and a> > > > > realized> > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start> living> > > > and> > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and Energisation> > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> unique> > > > member> > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I would> > > > > consider> > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58:38> AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing> which> > > i> > > > > like> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me> with> > > > sir> > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga> of> > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th> lord> > > > and> > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________> > More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™.> > http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Sunil jiMr Goel interpretation was pretty clear and  I  really  in North India is  very famous sloka, and  but  in case  of  4th hose  if jupiter  in rasi of  shani, person  will remain away  from  birth place, so alone Jupiter is effective to  hani (loss) where is  sitting. regards Dr Mishra --- On Tue, 9/29/09, vijay.goel <goyalvj wrote: vijay.goel <goyalvj Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee Received: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 5:40 PM Dear Sunil Nair ji & list, The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows : Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva. Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at. This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel jaipur ancient_indian_ astrology, " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote: > > > dear Goel Ji > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in > astrology > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel > g.k.goel@ wrote: > > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that: > > " If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava " > > Regards, > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > astro_tellerkerala@ > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000 > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear gopi ji > > > > sure ,Thanks > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... . > > > Love and regards, > > > gopi. > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " astro_tellerkerala " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List > > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some > astrologers > > > > > > > > XXXXX " " " " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau > > > > shani: " " " " " " " XXXXXX > > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " astro_tellerkerala " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI > > > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites > may b > > > > > knowing it > > > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp > > > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote > > > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv ,means > sat > > > > will > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will > > > distroy > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of > the > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects > > > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ?? > > > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it > has > > > not > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not > work > > > for > > > > > others ) > > > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest > scenario > > > in > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons were > > > under > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries > > > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms of > > > Landed > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so > in > > > > kerala > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where > Military > > > is > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and > youths > > > and > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian > deserts > > > wont > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living . > > > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life > > > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or may > not > > > b > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of its > > > > > placement > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I found > it > > > > > working > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known > > > astrologer.. .... > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Karan " > karan@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me > jupiter > > > is > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction no > > > matter > > > > > how > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever > > > > > satisfied. > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable wherein > i > > > have > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and creates > a > > > > > > dissatisfaction again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj > Chandran > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit concept > is > > > > very > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it. Hence > my > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept > -dear > > > > Gopi > > > > > > Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching > and > > > > > Account > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural > Saturn > > > > > house > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work than > he > > > > will > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see > the > > > > chalit > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in 12th,Moon > is > > > in > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu > have > > > > > placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj > > > > Chandran > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because > this is > > > > one > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not > necessarily > > > > > great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept > > > -dear > > > > > Gopi > > > > > > Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in > kali > > > yuga > > > > > as > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga ( > means > > > NON > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut -throat > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a attitude > ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv only > rs > > > 2 > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a > > > > temporary > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga and > who > > > > can > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Manoj > > > > > Chandran > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru in > the > > > > 10H > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who > have > > > > very > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will make > > > them > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other > people. > > > Some > > > > > of > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house of > > > > Jupiter, > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it " enhances " the > 6H of > > > > > Work > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to go > > > past > > > > > the > > > > > > " worker " mode to the " boss " mode. So promotions etc might be > > > denied > > > > > and > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one factor > ... > > > > but > > > > > my > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain > career > > > > > > problems with this placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept > -dear > > > > Gopi > > > > > > Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept tagging > to > > > > Natal > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th > House > > > > and > > > > > u > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other > factors > > > > than > > > > > we > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna > charts > > > > only > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its > > > effects > > > > > etc > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the > time > > > of > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and > > > results > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some > > > animals > > > > > or > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices > ,where > > > as > > > > > it > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also in > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone > > > structure > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the > saraswathi > > > > yoga > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid --just > leav > > > > > their > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y) > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement is > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc. > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd > lord > > > of > > > > > > speach(note > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck > apart > > > from > > > > > VRY > > > > > > can talk > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in > 2nd > > > asp > > > > by > > > > > > badhaka > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else.... > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being > in > > > your > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be > > > blamed > > > > > but > > > > > > ones > > > > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances done > in > > > > > present > > > > > > Life as > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as > Kriyamana > > > > > > Karmas. Why > > > > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is Saturn > to > > > be > > > > > > blamed kindly > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest > > > significator > > > > in > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and > > > happiness > > > > > > from family > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from > planets > > > > like > > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint > them > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a > > > > punching > > > > > > bag for > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses normal > > > > > > commonsense one > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house > of > > > karm > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > resultant > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars is > the > > > > > > agression in > > > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in the > > > > natural > > > > > > 10th. Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant > happiness > > > > both > > > > > > material and > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the Supreme > Lord > > > > and > > > > > > one must > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech and > > > > > treatment > > > > > > . remember > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just > instruments > > > to > > > > > > award us > > > > > > > > > > > pains > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the various > > > > planets > > > > > > just show > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains > and > > > > > > pleasures which > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in > the > > > > field > > > > > > he is in. > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that > you > > > are > > > > > > doing Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20 years > ? I > > > am > > > > > > sure you know > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa > > > Yoganandji, > > > > > His > > > > > > guru Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, and > His > > > > > guru > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and undermine > his > > > > > Gurus > > > > > > by saying > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look > good > > > by > > > > > > saying that > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if normally > > > > common > > > > > > uniqueness > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing > Kriya > > > > yoga, > > > > > > as must be > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a " Shri " addressed to your > > > name > > > > ? > > > > > > with above ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the Great > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > Shri K S > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one > > > > considers > > > > > > the term as > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His Shishya > was > > > > > Shri > > > > > > kasbe ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his shishya > is > > > > > myself > > > > > > as having > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is why > I > > > > never > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa > Yoganandji > > > for > > > > > last > > > > > > 15 Years > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand > respect > > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong > Sau or > > > > > > energisations > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > Om > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are > doing > > > > > this, > > > > > > you have > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear ordinary > and > > > > > > unnecessary > > > > > > > > > > > > humble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your > > > > attainments > > > > > if > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i dont > > > > deserve > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant help > > > since > > > > > sat > > > > > > in my 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and a > > > > > realized > > > > > > one whom i > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start > living > > > > and > > > > > > made me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and Energisation > > > > > > excersises of Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a > unique > > > > member > > > > > > in this > > > > > > > > > > > > august > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix " Shri " also I would > > > > > consider > > > > > > as most > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58:38 > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > > Neechabanga > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing > which > > > i > > > > > like > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me > with > > > > sir > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga > of > > > > > > paramhans > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta > > > > > > etc,may > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th > lord > > > > and > > > > > > 5th lord as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ________ > > More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. > > http://www.microsof t.com/india/ windows/windowsl ive/ > > > ________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Mail: http://ca.promos./newmail/overview2/ Quote Link 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