Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream

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hinducivilization , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo wrote:Namasthe to all friends:Being

member of half a dozen I spend around two hours a day reading mails, especially in the Hindu calendar, Hindu civilization and iyer123 As I laid my limbs on my bed and slept away the other day, I had a terrible dream, may be around early morning... I felt engulfed by a dark hot matter which sucked me into a tunnel. Soon I found light at

the other end and landed in a what appeared as a wrestler's arena. Only a couple of competitors were there.All our festivals are celebrated on wrong dates and I want to bring back the vedic stylearound, a divine voice echoed. Imported things have no place here added the voice.A charlatan suddenly appeared on the scene. Noting is imported he averred; all are only evolved here in the course of time. If that be the case why don't you call days as one twothree and four instead of Sunday, Monday etc and why then seven days in a week, why not fifteen? This is a necessary evil said the divine one.But Rasis are definitely imported and there is no Mesha, Rishaba etc in the vedas and come what may I will not allow that. So too, no other planets like Mangal, Sani, etc exceptsun and moon -- uttered the untiring.Just then Ahura

Mazda appeared "Ashem Vohu Vashistem asti; Ushtã asti; Ushtã ahmãi; Hyat ashãi1; Vahishtãi ashem. " (Righteousness is the best good and it is happiness. Happiness is to him who is righteous for the sake of the best righteousness -- Righteousnessis truth ( The Veda's - Ritam cha satyam cha tapaso adi jayate ). If these are imported were not the exporters also part of you? Was not the Chaldean Marduk your Indra? Is not apsu ( Chaldean abzu ) a Sanskrit word for watery abyss ? Uru-ashi is Chaldean for waters of the night --- your celestial nymph Urvasi ( ap-sara ) . Vedic and all these cultures originated from an Artic home. Are we not part of your Vedic heritage ? Ahura exclaimed.Are you not today importing from NASA, Switzerland your planetary charts? Is not your computing system imported? , the charlatan asked again. Why do you fight on a name? What does

it matter to the heavens if you call your imaginary thirty degrees as mesh , vrishabha or madhu or madhava. Will man on the street know what Madhu and Madhava are? They are as alien as what the imported are to you.Just then a thundering voice was heard and a mlecha descendent on the arena. Whydo you flay me day in and day out? I was ordained to propound astronomy and also architecture around the world. My Siddhartha was placed for your beneficialuse, ages ago, and if there was any flaw you have only to improve on it and not to find fault with me now. It is not my fault that you have not corrected your calendar for precession of the equinoxes. Your lethargy was the cause. You, mlecha, are the cause of all the trouble now; the ayanamsas are also a humbug, the divine scolded him again. The entire country is intoxicated with the lahari of a Lihiri, he

lamented.Just then, a rocket landed from Sriharikotta. . Hari Om where is the starting point. It must be a coordinated one and not anything else is acceptable to me. A long drawn out malla yuddha was on stage..Let us leave it at that, Sani is changing the house; let us urgently cast the horoscopes of bhagawan Ram and Krisha. They are waiting on the line to see our prediction for the next year, some one was heard saying.A whole array of the planets shouted from heaven. Where we not mentioned in your vedas? Why do you deny us. Are we only acid fuming, inhospitabledesolate waste, and matter no grass to the earthlings? What when the Atharvan worshiped us "divi chara griha" were we not inclusive ? Then why do you go after the stars that are far far away from us and bother about their division?Some one was heard saying that you

imported the 28 stars also from China. Then you are net importer only-- just like for consumer goods also now? The mlecha warned of what is going to happen on the doomsday 13 number he propounded in long count calendar, that lay just a couple of years ahead, on the winter solstice day of December 21, 2012. Earth quakes, tsunamis, continental shifts, wobbling of the earth, change of poles, etc. Satellite communication systems will be destroyed; solar flares will swallow a large chunk of humanity, the planets will be forced to change their courses -- a horriblelist of things to come -- not so far off. We have heard of predictions in the past. Only Vedic astrologers are capable of predicting correct events from wrong data, the wise voice averred.Yes, said the Mlecha; if the above predictions go wrong at least, will you agree that my

siddanatha is correct?Will you correct your calendar before this date and return to your Vedic prescription or dissolve in the disaster ? Just then a bearded bard from Bengal flashed on the scene:Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high; Where knowledge is free;Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls; Where words come out from the depth of truth; Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection; Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and actionInto that heaven of freedom, let my country awake. Do not build domestic walls to the heavens. The heavens belong to the entire world and there is no import or export. What is

familiar please take as it is, but correct your calendar, the bard seemed to counsel. Just then on the arena's bill board some one pasted a notice. A new Vedic calendar was that,unfolded by a darsini. Will it save the times .Ke sara sara.T.V.Sivaraman

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It is another kaulian fake id when ever he is in trouble with any grp this kind of funny dreams appears in fake id s all in the Name of a calender ,we must appreciate such a self less effort( as we r ignorent of hidden agenda s ) ,even they r happy when ram or krishn is appearing in any post ,so that it givs them always chance to blast all veda s as if interpolated and sure it is to purify our vedic concept which they themself dont know what is it in reality .even Dont ask them why veda s has devided into 4 by veda vyasa why not 40 or 400 , Sreenadh OG <sreesog wrote:>> > > > > > > hinducivilization , SIVA EXPORIUM sivaexpo@ wrote:> > Namasthe to all friends:> > > > Being member of half a dozen I spend around two hours a day reading mails, > > especially in the Hindu calendar, Hindu civilization and iyer123 > > > > As I laid my limbs on my bed and slept away the other day, I had a terrible dream, may be > > around early morning... I felt engulfed by a dark hot matter which sucked me into a tunnel. > > Soon I found light at> the other end and landed in a what appeared as a wrestler's arena. > > Only a couple of competitors were there.> > > > All our festivals are celebrated on wrong dates and I want to bring back the vedic style> > around, a divine voice echoed. Imported things have no place here added the voice.> > > > A charlatan suddenly appeared on the scene. Noting is imported he averred; all are only > > evolved here in the course of time. If that be the case why don't you call days as one two> > three and four instead of Sunday, Monday etc and why then seven days in a week, > > why not fifteen? > > > > This is a necessary evil said the divine one.> > > > But Rasis are definitely imported and there is no Mesha, Rishaba etc in the vedas and > > come what may I will not allow that. So too, no other planets like Mangal, Sani, etc except> > sun and moon -- uttered the untiring.> > > > Just then Ahura> Mazda appeared "Ashem Vohu Vashistem asti; Ushtã asti; Ushtã ahmãi; > > Hyat ashãi1; Vahishtãi ashem. " (Righteousness is the best good and it is happiness. > > Happiness is to him who is righteous for the sake of the best righteousness -- Righteousness> > is truth ( The Veda's - Ritam cha satyam cha tapaso adi jayate ). If these are imported were > > not the exporters also part of you? Was not the Chaldean Marduk your Indra? Is not apsu > > ( Chaldean abzu ) a Sanskrit word for watery abyss ? > > Uru-ashi is Chaldean for waters of the night --- your celestial nymph Urvasi ( ap-sara ) . > > Vedic and all these cultures originated from an Artic home. Are we not part of your Vedic > > heritage ? Ahura exclaimed.> > > > Are you not today importing from NASA, Switzerland your planetary charts? Is not your > > computing system imported? , the charlatan asked again. Why do you fight on a name? > > What does> it matter to the heavens if you call your imaginary thirty degrees as mesh , > > vrishabha or madhu or madhava. Will man on the street know what Madhu and > > Madhava are? They are as alien as what the imported are to you.> > > > Just then a thundering voice was heard and a mlecha descendent on the arena. Why> > do you flay me day in and day out? I was ordained to propound astronomy and > > also architecture around the world. My Siddhartha was placed for your beneficial> > use, ages ago, and if there was any flaw you have only to improve on it and not to > > find fault with me now. It is not my fault that you have not corrected your calendar > > for precession of the equinoxes. Your lethargy was the cause. > > > > You, mlecha, are the cause of all the trouble now; the ayanamsas are also a humbug, > > the divine scolded him again. The entire country is intoxicated with the lahari of > > a Lihiri, he> lamented.> > > > Just then, a rocket landed from Sriharikotta. . Hari Om where is the starting point. > > It must be a coordinated one and not anything else is acceptable to me. A long > > drawn out malla yuddha was on stage..> > > > Let us leave it at that, Sani is changing the house; let us urgently cast the horoscopes of > > bhagawan Ram and Krisha. They are waiting on the line to see our prediction > > for the next year, some one was heard saying.> > > > A whole array of the planets shouted from heaven. Where we not mentioned > > in your vedas? Why do you deny us. Are we only acid fuming, inhospitable> > desolate waste, and matter no grass to the earthlings? What when the Atharvan > > worshiped us "divi chara griha" were we not inclusive ? Then why do you go > > after the stars that are far far away from us and bother about their division?> > > > Some one was heard saying that you> imported the 28 stars also from China. > > Then you are net importer only-- just like for consumer goods also now? > > > > The mlecha warned of what is going to happen on the doomsday 13 number > > he propounded in long count calendar, that lay just a couple of years ahead, > > on the winter solstice day of December 21, 2012. Earth quakes, tsunamis, > > continental shifts, wobbling of the earth, change of poles, etc. Satellite > > communication systems will be destroyed; solar flares will swallow a large > > chunk of humanity, the planets will be forced to change their courses -- a horrible> > list of things to come -- not so far off. > > > > We have heard of predictions in the past. Only Vedic astrologers are capable of > > predicting correct events from wrong data, the wise voice averred.> > > > Yes, said the Mlecha; if the above predictions go wrong at least, will you agree > > that my> siddanatha is correct?> > > > Will you correct your calendar before this date and return to your Vedic > > prescription or dissolve in the disaster ? > > > > Just then a bearded bard from Bengal flashed on the scene:> > > > Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high; > > Where knowledge is free;> > Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow > > domestic walls; > > Where words come out from the depth of truth; > > Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection; > > Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the > > dreary desert sand of dead habit;> > Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action> > Into that heaven of freedom, let my country awake. > > > > Do not build domestic walls to the heavens. The heavens belong to the entire > > world and there is no import or export. What is> familiar please take as it is, > > but correct your calendar, the bard seemed to counsel. > > > > Just then on the arena's bill board some one pasted a notice. A new Vedic calendar was that,> > unfolded by a darsini. Will it save the times .Ke sara sara.> > > > > > T.V.Sivaraman> > > > > > >

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Kaul had not seen "Vara" in Atharvana Jyotisha. He had not seen Rashi in the Puranas. He had not seen mention of astrology in Mahabharata and Manu Smriti. He wants to leave out Nakshatra from Panchanga as nobody had told him that the Nakshatra is an anga of Panchanga. He admits that he has no paroksha jnana, ie. the ability to infer logically. He has no Pratyaksha jnana either, as he had not read anything worthwhile. He calls Varahamihira as the greatest Chartlatan. He is lucky that nobody had yet called him so. He calls the Vedic astrology as the Gretest fraud. He is lucky that so far nobody had called him so. He does not know Sanskrit as we have seen that he does not understand Sanskrit verses. He does not have knowledge of Hindu Astrology and astrnomy. Once somewhere sometime he bagged a prize in astrology by doing hit or miss and that

is why he thinks that astrology is bunkum. He goes on writing long mails to change the topic so that others are confused at the end. His victims are the gullible people who does not have time and opportunity to read the literature themselves. One can go on an on telling the ways of Kaul.

 

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:18 AM

It is another kaulian fake id when ever he is in trouble with any grp this kind of funny dreams appears in fake id s all in the Name of a calender ,we must appreciate such a self less effort( as we r ignorent of hidden agenda s ) ,even they r happy when ram or krishn is appearing in any post ,so that it givs them always chance to blast all veda s as if interpolated and sure it is to purify our vedic concept which they themself dont know what is it in reality .even Dont ask them why veda s has devided into 4 by veda vyasa why not 40 or 400 ancient_indian_ astrology, Sreenadh OG <sreesog wrote:>> > > > > > > hinducivilization, SIVA EXPORIUM sivaexpo@ wrote:> > Namasthe to all

friends:> > > > Being member of half a dozen I spend around two hours a day reading mails, > > especially in the Hindu calendar, Hindu civilization and iyer123 > > > > As I laid my limbs on my bed and slept away the other day, I had a terrible dream, may be > > around early morning... I felt engulfed by a dark hot matter which sucked me into a tunnel. > > Soon I found light at> the other end and landed in a what appeared as a wrestler's arena. > > Only a couple of competitors were there.> > > > All our festivals are celebrated on wrong dates and I want to bring back the vedic style> > around, a divine voice echoed. Imported things have no place here added the voice.> > > > A charlatan suddenly appeared on the scene. Noting is imported he averred; all are

only > > evolved here in the course of time. If that be the case why don't you call days as one two> > three and four instead of Sunday, Monday etc and why then seven days in a week, > > why not fifteen? > > > > This is a necessary evil said the divine one.> > > > But Rasis are definitely imported and there is no Mesha, Rishaba etc in the vedas and > > come what may I will not allow that. So too, no other planets like Mangal, Sani, etc except> > sun and moon -- uttered the untiring.> > > > Just then Ahura> Mazda appeared "Ashem Vohu Vashistem asti; Ushtã asti; Ushtã ahmãi; > > Hyat ashãi1; Vahishtãi ashem. " (Righteousness is the best good and it is happiness. > > Happiness is to him who is righteous for the sake of the best righteousness -- Righteousness>

> is truth ( The Veda's - Ritam cha satyam cha tapaso adi jayate ). If these are imported were > > not the exporters also part of you? Was not the Chaldean Marduk your Indra? Is not apsu > > ( Chaldean abzu ) a Sanskrit word for watery abyss ? > > Uru-ashi is Chaldean for waters of the night --- your celestial nymph Urvasi ( ap-sara ) . > > Vedic and all these cultures originated from an Artic home. Are we not part of your Vedic > > heritage ? Ahura exclaimed.> > > > Are you not today importing from NASA, Switzerland your planetary charts? Is not your > > computing system imported? , the charlatan asked again. Why do you fight on a name? > > What does> it matter to the heavens if you call your imaginary thirty degrees as mesh , > > vrishabha or madhu or madhava. Will man on the street know what Madhu

and > > Madhava are? They are as alien as what the imported are to you.> > > > Just then a thundering voice was heard and a mlecha descendent on the arena. Why> > do you flay me day in and day out? I was ordained to propound astronomy and > > also architecture around the world. My Siddhartha was placed for your beneficial> > use, ages ago, and if there was any flaw you have only to improve on it and not to > > find fault with me now. It is not my fault that you have not corrected your calendar > > for precession of the equinoxes. Your lethargy was the cause. > > > > You, mlecha, are the cause of all the trouble now; the ayanamsas are also a humbug, > > the divine scolded him again. The entire country is intoxicated with the lahari of > > a Lihiri, he> lamented.> >

> > Just then, a rocket landed from Sriharikotta. . Hari Om where is the starting point. > > It must be a coordinated one and not anything else is acceptable to me. A long > > drawn out malla yuddha was on stage..> > > > Let us leave it at that, Sani is changing the house; let us urgently cast the horoscopes of > > bhagawan Ram and Krisha. They are waiting on the line to see our prediction > > for the next year, some one was heard saying.> > > > A whole array of the planets shouted from heaven. Where we not mentioned > > in your vedas? Why do you deny us. Are we only acid fuming, inhospitable> > desolate waste, and matter no grass to the earthlings? What when the Atharvan > > worshiped us "divi chara griha" were we not inclusive ? Then why do you go > > after the stars that

are far far away from us and bother about their division?> > > > Some one was heard saying that you> imported the 28 stars also from China. > > Then you are net importer only-- just like for consumer goods also now? > > > > The mlecha warned of what is going to happen on the doomsday 13 number > > he propounded in long count calendar, that lay just a couple of years ahead, > > on the winter solstice day of December 21, 2012. Earth quakes, tsunamis, > > continental shifts, wobbling of the earth, change of poles, etc. Satellite > > communication systems will be destroyed; solar flares will swallow a large > > chunk of humanity, the planets will be forced to change their courses -- a horrible> > list of things to come -- not so far off. > > > > We have heard of

predictions in the past. Only Vedic astrologers are capable of > > predicting correct events from wrong data, the wise voice averred.> > > > Yes, said the Mlecha; if the above predictions go wrong at least, will you agree > > that my> siddanatha is correct?> > > > Will you correct your calendar before this date and return to your Vedic > > prescription or dissolve in the disaster ? > > > > Just then a bearded bard from Bengal flashed on the scene:> > > > Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high; > > Where knowledge is free;> > Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow > > domestic walls; > > Where words come out from the depth of truth; > > Where tireless striving stretches its arms

towards perfection; > > Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the > > dreary desert sand of dead habit;> > Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action> > Into that heaven of freedom, let my country awake. > > > > Do not build domestic walls to the heavens. The heavens belong to the entire > > world and there is no import or export. What is> familiar please take as it is, > > but correct your calendar, the bard seemed to counsel. > > > > Just then on the arena's bill board some one pasted a notice. A new Vedic calendar was that,> > unfolded by a darsini. Will it save the times .Ke sara sara.> > > > > > T.V.Sivaraman> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

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Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, Vara is not only mentioned in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha but also in the available Atharva Parisishta text as well. Naradeeya purana extensively and elaborately discusses predictive astrology. The same is true with many other puranas like Garuda purana, Agni purana etc as well. Vedas mentions all planets and Epics like Mahabharata extensively quotes/mentions/uses astrology. Panchangas gets mentioned both in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha and Atharva Parisishta. The knowledge, understanding and use of astrology is fundamental to Indian tradition - for both Agama (Tantric) and Nigama (Vedic) branches.Love and regards,Sreenadh-Sunil Bhattacharjya09/25/09 06:08 am Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream Kaul had not seen "Vara" in Atharvana Jyotisha. He had not seen Rashi in the Puranas. He had not seen mention of astrology in Mahabharata and Manu Smriti. He wants to leave out Nakshatra from Panchanga as nobody had told him that the Nakshatra is an anga of Panchanga. He admits that he has no paroksha jnana, ie. the ability to infer logically. He has no Pratyaksha jnana either, as he had not read anything worthwhile. He calls Varahamihira as the greatest Chartlatan. He is lucky that nobody had yet called him so. He calls the Vedic astrology as the Gretest fraud. He is lucky that so far nobody had called him so. He does not know Sanskrit as we have seen that he does not understand Sanskrit verses. He does not have knowledge of Hindu Astrology and astrnomy. Once somewhere sometime he bagged a prize in astrology by doing hit or miss and that is why he thinks that astrology is bunkum. He goes on writing long mails to change the topic so that others are confused at the end. His victims are the gullible people who does not have time and opportunity to read the literature themselves. One can go on an on telling the ways of Kaul.

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Dear Sreenadhji'Thank you. It seems this Zero professor does not get tired in transmitting his zero-messages. He compares himself with Bhishma and I am sure what an idiotic thinking that is. Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Fri, 9/25/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote:sreesog <sreesogRe: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream"AIA" Friday, September 25, 2009, 12:01 AM

 

 

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, Vara is not only mentioned in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha but also in the available Atharva Parisishta text as well. Naradeeya purana extensively and elaborately discusses predictive astrology. The same is true with many other puranas like Garuda purana, Agni purana etc as well. Vedas mentions all planets and Epics like Mahabharata extensively quotes/mentions/ uses astrology. Panchangas gets mentioned both in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha and Atharva Parisishta. The knowledge, understanding and use of astrology is fundamental to Indian tradition - for both Agama (Tantric) and Nigama (Vedic) branches.Love and regards,Sreenadh-Sunil Bhattacharjya09/25/09 06:08 amancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream Kaul had not seen "Vara" in Atharvana Jyotisha. He had not seen Rashi in the Puranas. He had not seen mention of astrology in Mahabharata and Manu Smriti. He wants to leave out Nakshatra from Panchanga as nobody had told him that the Nakshatra is an anga of Panchanga. He admits that he has no paroksha jnana, ie. the ability to infer logically. He has no Pratyaksha jnana either, as he had not read anything worthwhile. He calls Varahamihira as the greatest Chartlatan. He is lucky that nobody had yet called him so. He calls the Vedic astrology as the Gretest fraud. He is lucky that so far nobody had called him so. He does not know Sanskrit as we have seen that he does not understand Sanskrit verses. He does not have knowledge of Hindu Astrology and astrnomy. Once somewhere sometime he bagged a prize in astrology by doing hit or miss and

that is why he thinks that astrology is bunkum. He goes on writing long mails to change the topic so that others are confused at the end. His victims are the gullible people who does not have time and opportunity to read the literature themselves. One can go on an on telling the ways of Kaul.

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Dear Goel Ji Pls dont fall for Kaulian traps Mahabharatha and ramayana nor veda s not astrological texts so why u fall for kaulian agenda s ,veda means Knowledge ( every cult in india uses the same word for their religious or spiritual text ),if kaul can giv every meaning of shloka s in veda s then we will welcome him (with its use ,utility and application ) Where as all his attempts where just to degrde it in the name of his uselss non existant calender .so long as he cannot provide any constructiv opinion we shud stay away frm his mails and blabberring s why u answer some one is after a diffrnt agenda which hidden and already known to all thinking minds Absense of proof is not absense of its existense why we need to proov we were sleeping in nite even during vedic time or pre vedic time s , if it is not mentioned in veda s so many cultures /grps /sects/has happened in india and what ever available is mixture of their combined contribution ( Sarasawthi ,harappan,Naga ,ajeevaka ,jain ,budhist ,bhavani,saiva ,vaishanava ,etc etc such cults ) .Where On earth present 4 veda s deal with temple worship ?? is it means that we imported it frm some where west as they were having temples of their local dieties .So all this altogether a diffrnt concept and it needs a diffrnt mindset to see it and net is not a medium to discuss it as it will show only the time u can spent on harassing a person than some one who makes more noice is winner is correct in any arguemnt Sure our cultural wealth is not contributed by some later yona ( mlecha ) brahmins who converted during second rennaissance of hindusim rgrds sunil nair , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Sreenad ji,> As far as my personal study of two epics Mahabharta and Valimiki Ramayan as> well as Bhagvatam MAha purana( all of gitapress) names of vara are not mentioned.> One sloka in mahabharta and two slokas of Ramayana refers to zodiac signs.> > It looks that signs and varas as well as all five limbs of panchang incluting> construction of nativity gained popularty and put to extensive use after the> era of Mahabharta.> > If we study VISHNU PURAN , v.e.point was in 1st pada of Kirtika. This may be an indication > that Puranas were reaudited around (2000 BC)( and again in Gupta period between 2nd to 7th> century AD).Thus all these puranas had extensive references of Vara ,rashis and Panchang> > I do not know up to what extent my observation are of some value.> Regards,> > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > sreesog Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:01:38 +0200> Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, > Vara is not only mentioned in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha but also in the available Atharva Parisishta text as well. Naradeeya purana extensively and elaborately discusses predictive astrology. The same is true with many other puranas like Garuda purana, Agni purana etc as well. Vedas mentions all planets and Epics like Mahabharata extensively quotes/mentions/uses astrology. Panchangas gets mentioned both in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha and Atharva Parisishta. The knowledge, understanding and use of astrology is fundamental to Indian tradition - for both Agama (Tantric) and Nigama (Vedic) branches.> Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > > > -> Sunil Bhattacharjya> 09/25/09 06:08 am> > Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > Kaul had not seen "Vara" in Atharvana Jyotisha. He had not seen Rashi in the Puranas. He had not seen mention of astrology in Mahabharata and Manu Smriti. He wants to leave out Nakshatra from Panchanga as nobody had told him that the Nakshatra is an anga of Panchanga. He admits that he has no paroksha jnana, ie. the ability to infer logically. He has no Pratyaksha jnana either, as he had not read anything worthwhile. He calls Varahamihira as the greatest Chartlatan. He is lucky that nobody had yet called him so. He calls the Vedic astrology as the Gretest fraud. He is lucky that so far nobody had called him so. He does not know Sanskrit as we have seen that he does not understand Sanskrit verses. He does not have knowledge of Hindu Astrology and astrnomy. Once somewhere sometime he bagged a prize in astrology by doing hit or miss and that is why he thinks that astrology is bunkum. He goes on writing long mails to change the topic so that others are confused at the end. His victims are the gullible people who does not have time and opportunity to read the literature themselves. One can go on an on telling the ways of Kaul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace & Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now!> http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in>

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Dear Nair ji,Why are you bringing Mr. Kaul between us.I have not said that Vara or Signs were not known in those times.Instead of reacting to my mail ,kindly read it carefully.I only said that as varas are not mentioned in those three scriptures , they were came in popular use after the era of Mahabhart.I have read these scriptures and only then I am raising a humble quarry.Instead addressing it properly you start reacting to it.Kindly for God sake stop this habit at least when dealing with me.AND PLEASE DO NOT SUFFER WITH KAUL'S MANIA.I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS WRITINGS'kindly TAKE THIS MAIL IN GOOD SPIRIT.BEST REGARDS,G. K. Goel

From: astro_tellerkeralaDate: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:27:48 +0000 Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream

 

 

 

 

Dear Goel Ji Pls dont fall for Kaulian traps Mahabharatha and ramayana nor veda s not astrological texts so why u fall for kaulian agenda s ,veda means Knowledge ( every cult in india uses the same word for their religious or spiritual text ),if kaul can giv every meaning of shloka s in veda s then we will welcome him (with its use ,utility and application ) Where as all his attempts where just to degrde it in the name of his uselss non existant calender .so long as he cannot provide any constructiv opinion we shud stay away frm his mails and blabberring s why u answer some one is after a diffrnt agenda which hidden and already known to all thinking minds Absense of proof is not absense of its existense why we need to proov we were sleeping in nite even during vedic time or pre vedic time s , if it is not mentioned in veda s so many cultures /grps /sects/has happened in india and what ever available is mixture of their combined contribution ( Sarasawthi ,harappan,Naga ,ajeevaka ,jain ,budhist ,bhavani,saiva ,vaishanava ,etc etc such cults ) .Where On earth present 4 veda s deal with temple worship ?? is it means that we imported it frm some where west as they were having temples of their local dieties .So all this altogether a diffrnt concept and it needs a diffrnt mindset to see it and net is not a medium to discuss it as it will show only the time u can spent on harassing a person than some one who makes more noice is winner is correct in any arguemnt Sure our cultural wealth is not contributed by some later yona ( mlecha ) brahmins who converted during second rennaissance of hindusim rgrds sunil nair , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Sreenad ji,> As far as my personal study of two epics Mahabharta and Valimiki Ramayan as> well as Bhagvatam MAha purana( all of gitapress) names of vara are not mentioned.> One sloka in mahabharta and two slokas of Ramayana refers to zodiac signs.> > It looks that signs and varas as well as all five limbs of panchang incluting> construction of nativity gained popularty and put to extensive use after the> era of Mahabharta.> > If we study VISHNU PURAN , v.e.point was in 1st pada of Kirtika. This may be an indication > that Puranas were reaudited around (2000 BC)( and again in Gupta period between 2nd to 7th> century AD).Thus all these puranas had extensive references of Vara ,rashis and Panchang> > I do not know up to what extent my observation are of some value.> Regards,> > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > sreesog Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:01:38 +0200> Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, > Vara is not only mentioned in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha but also in the available Atharva Parisishta text as well. Naradeeya purana extensively and elaborately discusses predictive astrology. The same is true with many other puranas like Garuda purana, Agni purana etc as well. Vedas mentions all planets and Epics like Mahabharata extensively quotes/mentions/uses astrology. Panchangas gets mentioned both in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha and Atharva Parisishta. The knowledge, understanding and use of astrology is fundamental to Indian tradition - for both Agama (Tantric) and Nigama (Vedic) branches.> Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > > > -> Sunil Bhattacharjya> 09/25/09 06:08 am> > Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > Kaul had not seen "Vara" in Atharvana Jyotisha. He had not seen Rashi in the Puranas. He had not seen mention of astrology in Mahabharata and Manu Smriti. He wants to leave out Nakshatra from Panchanga as nobody had told him that the Nakshatra is an anga of Panchanga. He admits that he has no paroksha jnana, ie. the ability to infer logically. He has no Pratyaksha jnana either, as he had not read anything worthwhile. He calls Varahamihira as the greatest Chartlatan. He is lucky that nobody had yet called him so. He calls the Vedic astrology as the Gretest fraud. He is lucky that so far nobody had called him so. He does not know Sanskrit as we have seen that he does not understand Sanskrit verses. He does not have knowledge of Hindu Astrology and astrnomy. Once somewhere sometime he bagged a prize in astrology by doing hit or miss and that is why he thinks that astrology is bunkum. He goes on writing long mails to change the topic so that others are confused at the end. His victims are the gullible people who does not have time and opportunity to read the literature themselves. One can go on an on telling the ways of Kaul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace & Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now!> http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in>

 

 

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Dear Goel Ji sorry if i made u angry .I was not accusing u This kind of discussions are genraly part of response to kaulian mails ( where he deliberately bring forward lot of issues ,even after some one proovs some thing he will still Nag the 2nd person on the same issue as he wants his agnda activ irrespectiv of what may happen and net is good cover for such activities )or it must b the original tread which this discussions might hav strted so frm time to time i request every one to ignore this ,as it it no way going to help us than supporting his mission of twisting everything .( most obvious things he rejcts these days ,even recently strted saying the fixed nakshtra s are unfixed -a new technic invented t o keep the tread activ ) when we as a part of astrology and its history when we discuss some thing it is a totaly diffrnt storey .Still my opinion is same ,if something is not mentioned in one text does not giv us authority to say it was not existing in that period as those texts were not part of astrology or even astronomy .our sages used to deal each subjuct diffrntly ,so one mention of ratha is enough to say that what was the devlpmnt of scinetific thoughts and technology than we then look for reference of its wheel .Hope u can understand rgrds sunil nair , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Nair ji,> Why are you bringing Mr. Kaul between us.> I have not said that Vara or Signs were not known in those times.> Instead of reacting to my mail ,kindly read it carefully.> I only said that as varas are not mentioned in those three scriptures , they were came > in popular use after the era of Mahabhart.> I have read these scriptures and only then I am raising a humble quarry.> Instead addressing it properly you start reacting to it.> Kindly for God sake stop this habit at least when dealing with me.> AND PLEASE DO NOT SUFFER WITH KAUL'S MANIA.I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS WRITINGS'> kindly TAKE THIS MAIL IN GOOD SPIRIT.> BEST REGARDS,> > G. K. Goel> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:27:48 +0000> Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Ji > > Pls dont fall for Kaulian traps > > Mahabharatha and ramayana nor veda s not astrological texts > > so why u fall for kaulian agenda s ,veda means Knowledge ( every cult in india uses the same word for their religious or spiritual text ),if kaul can giv every meaning of shloka s in veda s then we will welcome him (with its use ,utility and application ) Where as all his attempts where just to degrde it in the name of his uselss non existant calender .> > so long as he cannot provide any constructiv opinion we shud stay away frm his mails and blabberring s > > why u answer some one is after a diffrnt agenda which hidden and already known to all thinking minds > > Absense of proof is not absense of its existense > > why we need to proov we were sleeping in nite even during vedic time or pre vedic time s , if it is not mentioned in veda s > > so many cultures /grps /sects/has happened in india and what ever available is mixture of their combined contribution ( Sarasawthi ,harappan,Naga ,ajeevaka ,jain ,budhist ,bhavani,saiva ,vaishanava ,etc etc such cults ) .Where On earth present 4 veda s deal with temple worship ?? is it means that we imported it frm some where west as they were having temples of their local dieties .> > So all this altogether a diffrnt concept and it needs a diffrnt mindset to see it and net is not a medium to discuss it as it will show only the time u can spent on harassing a person than some one who makes more noice is winner is correct in any arguemnt > > Sure our cultural wealth is not contributed by some later yona ( mlecha ) brahmins who converted during second rennaissance of hindusim > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sreenad ji,> > As far as my personal study of two epics Mahabharta and Valimiki Ramayan as> > well as Bhagvatam MAha purana( all of gitapress) names of vara are not mentioned.> > One sloka in mahabharta and two slokas of Ramayana refers to zodiac signs.> > > > It looks that signs and varas as well as all five limbs of panchang incluting> > construction of nativity gained popularty and put to extensive use after the> > era of Mahabharta.> > > > If we study VISHNU PURAN , v.e.point was in 1st pada of Kirtika. This may be an indication > > that Puranas were reaudited around (2000 BC)( and again in Gupta period between 2nd to 7th> > century AD).Thus all these puranas had extensive references of Vara ,rashis and Panchang> > > > I do not know up to what extent my observation are of some value.> > Regards,> > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sreesog@> > Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:01:38 +0200> > Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, > > Vara is not only mentioned in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha but also in the available Atharva Parisishta text as well. Naradeeya purana extensively and elaborately discusses predictive astrology. The same is true with many other puranas like Garuda purana, Agni purana etc as well. Vedas mentions all planets and Epics like Mahabharata extensively quotes/mentions/uses astrology. Panchangas gets mentioned both in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha and Atharva Parisishta. The knowledge, understanding and use of astrology is fundamental to Indian tradition - for both Agama (Tantric) and Nigama (Vedic) branches.> > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > -> > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > 09/25/09 06:08 am> > > > Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > > > > > Kaul had not seen "Vara" in Atharvana Jyotisha. He had not seen Rashi in the Puranas. He had not seen mention of astrology in Mahabharata and Manu Smriti. He wants to leave out Nakshatra from Panchanga as nobody had told him that the Nakshatra is an anga of Panchanga. He admits that he has no paroksha jnana, ie. the ability to infer logically. He has no Pratyaksha jnana either, as he had not read anything worthwhile. He calls Varahamihira as the greatest Chartlatan. He is lucky that nobody had yet called him so. He calls the Vedic astrology as the Gretest fraud. He is lucky that so far nobody had called him so. He does not know Sanskrit as we have seen that he does not understand Sanskrit verses. He does not have knowledge of Hindu Astrology and astrnomy. Once somewhere sometime he bagged a prize in astrology by doing hit or miss and that is why he thinks that astrology is bunkum. He goes on writing long mails to change the topic so that others are confused at the end. His victims are the gullible people who does not have time and opportunity to read the literature themselves. One can go on an on telling the ways of Kaul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> > Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace & Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. 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Dear Nair Ji,I am in agreement with you 200%.I know Mr. Kaul since 1982 , it is unfortunate that he has not changeda bit.Many thanks for the mail as it encourages me to participate in more constructive manner.Regards,G. K. Goel

From: astro_tellerkeralaDate: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:45:31 +0000 Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream

 

 

 

 

Dear Goel Ji sorry if i made u angry .I was not accusing u This kind of discussions are genraly part of response to kaulian mails ( where he deliberately bring forward lot of issues ,even after some one proovs some thing he will still Nag the 2nd person on the same issue as he wants his agnda activ irrespectiv of what may happen and net is good cover for such activities )or it must b the original tread which this discussions might hav strted so frm time to time i request every one to ignore this ,as it it no way going to help us than supporting his mission of twisting everything .( most obvious things he rejcts these days ,even recently strted saying the fixed nakshtra s are unfixed -a new technic invented t o keep the tread activ ) when we as a part of astrology and its history when we discuss some thing it is a totaly diffrnt storey .Still my opinion is same ,if something is not mentioned in one text does not giv us authority to say it was not existing in that period as those texts were not part of astrology or even astronomy .our sages used to deal each subjuct diffrntly ,so one mention of ratha is enough to say that what was the devlpmnt of scinetific thoughts and technology than we then look for reference of its wheel .Hope u can understand rgrds sunil nair , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Nair ji,> Why are you bringing Mr. Kaul between us.> I have not said that Vara or Signs were not known in those times.> Instead of reacting to my mail ,kindly read it carefully.> I only said that as varas are not mentioned in those three scriptures , they were came > in popular use after the era of Mahabhart.> I have read these scriptures and only then I am raising a humble quarry.> Instead addressing it properly you start reacting to it.> Kindly for God sake stop this habit at least when dealing with me.> AND PLEASE DO NOT SUFFER WITH KAUL'S MANIA.I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS WRITINGS'> kindly TAKE THIS MAIL IN GOOD SPIRIT.> BEST REGARDS,> > G. K. Goel> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:27:48 +0000> Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Ji > > Pls dont fall for Kaulian traps > > Mahabharatha and ramayana nor veda s not astrological texts > > so why u fall for kaulian agenda s ,veda means Knowledge ( every cult in india uses the same word for their religious or spiritual text ),if kaul can giv every meaning of shloka s in veda s then we will welcome him (with its use ,utility and application ) Where as all his attempts where just to degrde it in the name of his uselss non existant calender .> > so long as he cannot provide any constructiv opinion we shud stay away frm his mails and blabberring s > > why u answer some one is after a diffrnt agenda which hidden and already known to all thinking minds > > Absense of proof is not absense of its existense > > why we need to proov we were sleeping in nite even during vedic time or pre vedic time s , if it is not mentioned in veda s > > so many cultures /grps /sects/has happened in india and what ever available is mixture of their combined contribution ( Sarasawthi ,harappan,Naga ,ajeevaka ,jain ,budhist ,bhavani,saiva ,vaishanava ,etc etc such cults ) .Where On earth present 4 veda s deal with temple worship ?? is it means that we imported it frm some where west as they were having temples of their local dieties .> > So all this altogether a diffrnt concept and it needs a diffrnt mindset to see it and net is not a medium to discuss it as it will show only the time u can spent on harassing a person than some one who makes more noice is winner is correct in any arguemnt > > Sure our cultural wealth is not contributed by some later yona ( mlecha ) brahmins who converted during second rennaissance of hindusim > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sreenad ji,> > As far as my personal study of two epics Mahabharta and Valimiki Ramayan as> > well as Bhagvatam MAha purana( all of gitapress) names of vara are not mentioned.> > One sloka in mahabharta and two slokas of Ramayana refers to zodiac signs.> > > > It looks that signs and varas as well as all five limbs of panchang incluting> > construction of nativity gained popularty and put to extensive use after the> > era of Mahabharta.> > > > If we study VISHNU PURAN , v.e.point was in 1st pada of Kirtika. This may be an indication > > that Puranas were reaudited around (2000 BC)( and again in Gupta period between 2nd to 7th> > century AD).Thus all these puranas had extensive references of Vara ,rashis and Panchang> > > > I do not know up to what extent my observation are of some value.> > Regards,> > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sreesog@> > Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:01:38 +0200> > Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, > > Vara is not only mentioned in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha but also in the available Atharva Parisishta text as well. Naradeeya purana extensively and elaborately discusses predictive astrology. The same is true with many other puranas like Garuda purana, Agni purana etc as well. Vedas mentions all planets and Epics like Mahabharata extensively quotes/mentions/uses astrology. Panchangas gets mentioned both in Atharva vedanga Jyotisha and Atharva Parisishta. The knowledge, understanding and use of astrology is fundamental to Indian tradition - for both Agama (Tantric) and Nigama (Vedic) branches.> > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > -> > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > 09/25/09 06:08 am> > > > Re: Re: Fwd: a Koulian calendrical dream> > > > > > > > Kaul had not seen "Vara" in Atharvana Jyotisha. He had not seen Rashi in the Puranas. He had not seen mention of astrology in Mahabharata and Manu Smriti. He wants to leave out Nakshatra from Panchanga as nobody had told him that the Nakshatra is an anga of Panchanga. He admits that he has no paroksha jnana, ie. the ability to infer logically. He has no Pratyaksha jnana either, as he had not read anything worthwhile. He calls Varahamihira as the greatest Chartlatan. He is lucky that nobody had yet called him so. He calls the Vedic astrology as the Gretest fraud. He is lucky that so far nobody had called him so. He does not know Sanskrit as we have seen that he does not understand Sanskrit verses. He does not have knowledge of Hindu Astrology and astrnomy. Once somewhere sometime he bagged a prize in astrology by doing hit or miss and that is why he thinks that astrology is bunkum. He goes on writing long mails to change the topic so that others are confused at the end. His victims are the gullible people who does not have time and opportunity to read the literature themselves. One can go on an on telling the ways of Kaul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> > Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace & Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. 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