Diabetes

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It is very much possible Mr. Chakraborty. I know of a person, who is Tula Lagna and for Tula Lagna fifth house falls in Aquarius, which is not a watery sign but still the person has Diabetes for a long time now. Mr. Kursija knows this person. Tula lagna with Mars, Moon and Venus.

 

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mouji--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2RE: Re: Diabetes"' '" Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:08 PM

 

Dear Kursija-ji,

 

Is it possible that even when the 5th house from lagna is

a fixed, earthy rasi, a person may get diabetic when 5th

house from Moon is watery Rashi ?

 

I do have above condition and recently been detected with

slightly high blood sugar (165). Although I never liked sweets in

my life.

 

Chakraborty

 

 

Vandna [vandana_ mishra_91@ ] Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:12 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Diabetes

RESPECTED KURSIJA JI,Very well written and informative article,yes u have correctly mentioned that it is jal tatva rashi which are more prone to diebiticb'coz they are the ones responsible for ones weight gain!REGARDSVANDANA MISHRA> Dear learned and respected members,> As I oped mail on Monday, I found that a medical subject is being discussed in the forum. The august members are giving their views on the subject. Pt. Bhooshan Sharma , Sh.Khurana Sh. Lajmi and others giving yoga on the subject from the classical books. The yoga given in Jataka Tatva, Sarvarth Chintamani and others are too general and importance is being given to 5th house and Jupiter and Venus. No doubt these are important. but with out the tatva of the sign 5th house can not give diabetes. The planet without being posited in Jala tatva sign can not give diabetes. To explain this I am attaching my article on diabetes for your perusal and comments if

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Dear Sreenadh-ji,

 

Thanks a lot for detailed answers.

 

I would have accepted it if you had said just 'Yes, Sun is a malefic'.

I generally accept most of things coming from you and Sunil Nair-ji

as far as astrolgy is concerned.

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

 

sreesog [sreesog] Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Diabetes

Dear Chakraborty ji, Some argue that Sun is Kroora (Cruel) only and not Papa (malefic). But this argument is NOT supported by Rishi horas. Even the first and most authentic text of astrology - i.e. Skanda Hora - states that - "Papastamstreen vijaneehi" (Those three - Sun, Mars, Saturn - are dare malefics). That is, it is primarity Sun, Mars, Saturn are the MOST malefic planets. Rahu and Ketu are the lesser malefics compared to them. Thus the count of malefics becomes five. But then again the weak Moon should be treated as a malefic. Skanda hora warns us here the word Ksheenendu (weak Moon) indicate ONLY the Moon of Chaturdasi (14th Tithi) and Amavasi (15th Tithi) . Further due to easly getting influenced (by both benefics and malefics placed along with him) Mercury if placed along with malefics should be treated as a malefic itself. Thus these two - Moon and Mercury - are also lesser malefics. Thus the total number of malefics become seven. Then again Gulika etc are also considered as malefic in prashna etc - that is another story; but being mere hypothetical points (time points) without physical existance relevent only for a single day, Gulika etc is not much important in natal chart reading, as per many traditions. Mihira in his book Brihat Jataka gives comparitively less importance only to Rahu and Ketu, and because of this his list of major malefics contains - Weak Moon, Sun, Mar, Saturn and Mercury placed along with above said malefics only (and not Rahu and Ketu) via the quote "Kheenendvarka maheepatarkatanaya papaH budhastairyutaH". But from many slokas in Brihat Jataka is also well evident that Mihira considers Rahua and Ketu also as malefics itself. Thus clearly there is no contradition among scholars about the question - "which planets should be treated as malefics" - they are all unannimous on this; and also unanimous in the fact that the major three - i.e. Sun, Mars, Saturn - are the most malefic. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh-ji,> > Thanks a lot. It is really helpful to me.> > One more question,........> > I used to think that Sun removes diseases as it> is someway connected to Ashwini Kumars etc....> > So, is Sun still malefic as far as medical astrology goes ..> or it still retains its' malefic stature ?> > regards> > Chakraborty> > > > > > ________________________________> sreesog [sreesog]> Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:37 PM> > Re: Diabetes> > > > Dear Chakraborty ji,> When someone speaks about affliction caused by malefics - especially from southern school - they generally mean the afflictions caused natural malefics only - Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu. (Functional malefics are not generally considered, if not the same is specifically mentioned by the classic for the said combinatiion). Weak Moon (Moon of Amasvasi and Chaturdasi only) and Mercury conjuct with some malefic is also be treated as malefics (though with less importance).> Now coming to the word afflication, aflication could be mainly due to -> * Aspect (Drishti - 7th and special drishti only)> * Yoga (presence in the same sign)> * Mutual exchange (bi-directional exchange)> * One directional exchange (this is not considered as strong)> * Papa kartari (planet or house hemmed between malefics)> etc.> Further -> * Malefics BOTH in 4th and 8th> * Malefic in ALL kendras> etc can also with considered - even though with less importance.> As in all cases afflication also should be read from - House, House lord and Significator.> //> Or the affliction may be inferred from Navamsa positions as> > well ? (Like in navamsa, planet x is conjunct with planet Y ?)> > or malefic is located in some planet's amsa ? //> No - this is not generally considered, if not the said amsa of the planet is in the house under> Hope this clarifies your doubt about the use of the word "Afliction"> Note: But I don't know in what sense the BVB team (Journal of astrology is their's), SJC team or the Jaimini team interpret/use such terms.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh consideration itself.> > , "Chakraborty, PL" CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sirs,> >> > When afflictions of planets are referred, does that mean ..> >> > In Rasi chart,> >> > 1) Planets are getting drishti of natural malefics ?> > 2) Planets may additionally afflicted by functional malefics ?> > 3) Conjunct with natural / functional malefics ?> >> > Or the affliction may be inferred from Navamsa positions as> > well ? (Like in navamsa, planet x is conjunct with planet Y ?)> > or malefic is located in some planet's amsa ?> >> > 'Sorry for the rudimentary questions.> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > Manoj Kumar [mouji99@]> > Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:48 PM> > > > Re: Re: Diabetes> >> >> >> > The planets causing diabetes are Jupiter and Venus and their affliction in the horoscope. This has oft been repeated in the articles in the Journal of Astrology.> >> > regards,> >> > Mouji> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Dear Vijay Goel Jiinsulin is produced in pancreas and not in LIVER as mentioned my you. This fact is published in medical journals.But the most interesting thing is Type 1 diabetes b'cos it may be caused by autoimmune system.So we need to understand our immunity to understand diabetes type 1 & predicting it.with best regards Amit Desaivijay.goel <goyalvj Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:13 PM Re: Diabetes

 

 

Respected members,There is two type of diabeties :1) Diabetes mellitus type 1 is an autoimmune disease that results in destruction of insulin-producing beta cells of the pancreas.http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Diabetes_ mellitus_ type_1In type 1, liver is unable to produce proper insulin. Lack of insulin is seen.2) Diabetes mellitus type 2 that is characterized by high blood glucose in the context of insulin resistance and relative insulin deficiency. Insulin resistance means that body cells do not respond appropriately when insulin is present.http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Diabetes_ mellitus_ type_2In type 2 , liver is healthy & insulin is produced but cannot store it for proper usuage or some resistance is developed in blood.------------ --------Astrologically :1) Fifth house is karak for liver.2) Jupiter is karak for liver.3) Venus is karak for insulin itself.4) Moon or Mars is karak for blood. (both can be interchanged as per nadi for blood).For any diabeties 5th house must be afflicted or weak with other factors.For type 1 : venus must be afflicted therefore there is lack of hormone (insulin).For type 2 : Jupiter must be afflicted as liver is

not able to store insulin, Here jupiter can be afflicted with mars, and moon can be also afflicted as insulin is not utilised in bood due to resistance developed.You will see that obesity, laziness and high blood pressure are the main cause of this type of diabeties.5) 8th house role should be also seen as this problem is chronic in nature and there will be long dasa indicating this problem.------------I hope that i am on the right track.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Dhananjayan ji> > Thanks for ur observations and commnts> > but i hav a strong diffrce with ur this statemnt> > XXXXXXXXXFurther in my opinion lagnam signifies blood.Therefore> individuals with

afflicted lagnam may become prone for> Diabetes.XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX> > Classic s says Lagna as Moorhti ,keerthi etc> > so it means afflicted lagna ( even PKY yoga s ) givs afflicted Moorhty (> body ) and such a body will loose prana sakti in the Long run and prone> to any kind of diseases> > afflicted Lagna is a Liability in any case and further afflictions on> other houses will b multiplied in case lagna also afflicted> for exmple afflicted lagna and afflicted 12th house may giv rise to> Loses /heavy expentiture /even Pada roga or some deormity in feet etc > even it can affect eye sight too .> > even afflicted lagna persons r prone to get anger suddenly and hence> they can become unpopular too and later yrs High BP or such diseases too> > it need not giv only prameha roga or madhu meha> > it has to b with

other indications too> > if some one can post charts with Baby diabetic persons we may able to> get more clear ideas> > rgrds sunil nair> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma> abhanaya@ wrote:> >> > Pranams,> >> > Mr.Sreenadhji,> >> > I understand from some old text that Sani,Surya,Sukra all together> placed in 5th house / Sun in Lagna and Mars in 7th house / Sani in 10th> house along with Mars or aspected by Mars may be a cause for "p~ra~mE~ha> rOkam" .> > Treatment:For 18 types(list not enumerated) of "p~ra~mE~ha rOkam" if> treatment commenced on Chaturti,Navami, Chaturdasi during> Chara-lagnam on any wednessday is good.> > In vedic astrology 5th house denotes Pancreas,Spleen (stomach) Guru> represents Pancreas glands,Rahu signifies

Spleen; It suggests to me if> all these are afflicted may cause diabetes.> >> > Further in my opinion lagnam signifies blood.Therefore individuals> with afflicted lagnam may become prone for Diabetes.> >> > Regards/Dhananjayan> >> >> > --- On Mon, 21/9/09, sreesog sreesog@ wrote:> >> > sreesog sreesog@> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Diabetes> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Monday, 21 September, 2009, 12:24 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Â> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Satpal ji,> >> > //[ 1 ]> > mercury in signs of Jupiter { dhanu & meen} and under the aspect> of> > Sun [ saravali

ch 26 shlok 55 ]//> >> >  Please tell us how Sun can aspect Mercury! For this to> happen Mercury> > should be in 7th house from Sun, which is an astronomical> impossibility!Â> > Most possibly that misinterpretation sprung from misquoting ChandraH> (Moon) as> > ChandrajaH (Mercury) - the meaning going upside down! As I have quoted> earlier,> > what the quote points to here is that - Moon (and not mercury) should> be in the> > sign of Jupiter and Sun should aspect it. Moon a watery planet in> Jupiter a big> > planet's sign indicate a heavy body that can be apt seat of diseases> such as> > diabetics and Sun the significator of sugar cane's aspect confirms the> > possibility of having diabetic. It is more useful to approach quotes> in> > realistic and logical manner - based on

understanding of basic> significance> > than to blindly believe in the quotes or their many times erroneous> interpretations> > given in texts.> >> > //> In the astrology classics the disease has been classified as> > "vasti rog" or "mootrashaya rog"//> >> > Â Â This is wrong. Vasti roga is a word that points to diseases> > related to lower abdomen or naval/hip portion. Numerous diseases could> happen> > related to this portion of the body and it is totally erroneous to> assume that> > all diseases that happen related to this body portion is diabetes> only!> > "Mootrasaya roga" means diseases related to Urinary bladder or> > urinary organs and NOT diabetes. The word used for Diabetes is> > "Prameha" - only the quotes and combinations that refers to the> > disease "Prameha"

indicate Diabetes; excess sugar. Otherwise> > following erroneous guidance we will reach erroneous conclusions.> >  Please recheck the combinations you provided based on this base> criteria and understanding.> >> > Love and regards,> >> > Sreenadh> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "khurana_satpal"> <khurana_satpal@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sirs,> > >> > > I am quoting a short note on Diabetes I found in the file section of> one> > > of the groups.> > >> > > Diabetes> > >> > >> > >> > > In the astrology classics the disease has been classified as> > > ‘vasti rog’ or ‘mootrashaya>

rog’ and has> > > been referred to as ‘madhumeh’ or> ‘prameh’.> > >> > >> > >> > > I have found the following references for this disease in the> classics.> > > The following placements can cause diabetes. I have added to the> list> > > other combinations which I have found, during my astrology practice,> to> > > be causing diabetes.> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 1 ] mercury in signs of Jupiter { dhanu & meen} and under the> aspect> > > of Sun [ saravali ch 26 shlok 55 ]> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 2 ] Saturn + Sun + Venus in the 5th house [ jatak tattwa viv 6> sutra> > > 107]> > >> >

>> > >> > > [ 3 ] Sun in the ascendant and Mars in the 7th [ jatak tattwa viv 6> > > sutra 108]> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 4 ] Mars in the 10th either conjunct or aspected by Saturn [> jatak> > > tattwa viv 6 sutra 109]> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 5 ] Mars in the 6th and the 6th lord with paap grah [> Daivagyabharan> > > pra 14 shlok 29]> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 6 ] 8th house under the aspect of Mars [ Vrihadyavan jatak pra 96> > > shlok 3]> > >> > >> > >> > > My experience : Combinations which I found could also cause diabetes> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 7 ] Sun with either venus or Saturn in the 5th house> >

>> > >> > >> > > [ 8 ] Mars + Saturn in the 10th house> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 9 ] 6th house and/or the 6th lord, 4th house and/or 4th lord under> the> > >> > >> > >> > > aspect of paapi grah> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 10 ] Influence of paapi grah on jal rasi in the 5th house> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 11] association of Virgo with the 4th or the 6th house> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 12 ] manda { malefic } Jupiter in the 6th house> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 13 ] Moon + Ketu in the 5th house> > >> > >> > >> > > [ 14 ] Ketu in the 4th house> > >> >

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Pt.Chakraborty ji,

Thanks for the query. I have clearly said that the diabetes id a metabolic disease and depends of lifestyle. 75% Indians suffer from diabetes due to lifestyle. You may include earthy signs for diabetese because earthy sign people does not like movements. But I have not found Fiery sign and airy sign in diabetes. I have placed my observation for your perusal.

Regards--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2RE: Re: Diabetes"' '" Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:08 PM

 

 

Dear Kursija-ji,

 

Is it possible that even when the 5th house from lagna is

a fixed, earthy rasi, a person may get diabetic when 5th

house from Moon is watery Rashi ?

 

I do have above condition and recently been detected with

slightly high blood sugar (165). Although I never liked sweets in

my life.

 

Chakraborty

 

 

Vandna [vandana_mishra_91] Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Diabetes

RESPECTED KURSIJA JI,Very well written and informative article,yes u have correctly mentioned that it is jal tatva rashi which are more prone to diebiticb'coz they are the ones responsible for ones weight gain!REGARDSVANDANA MISHRA> Dear learned and respected members,> As I oped mail on Monday, I found that a medical subject is being discussed in the forum. The august members are giving their views on the subject. Pt. Bhooshan Sharma , Sh.Khurana Sh. Lajmi and others giving yoga on the subject from the classical books. The yoga given in Jataka Tatva, Sarvarth Chintamani and others are too general and importance is being given to 5th house and Jupiter and Venus. No doubt these are important. but with out the tatva of the sign 5th house can not give diabetes. The planet without being posited in Jala tatva sign can not give diabetes. To explain this I am attaching my article on diabetes for your perusal and comments if

any.> Regards> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > http://mail. >This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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Dear SREENADH JI,I am not able to lay my hands on Rishi and Skand hora.I can study them only in either in English or Hindi.Is there any way to help me.Regards,G. K. Goel

 

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mobile: 09350311433 From: sreesogDate: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:04:33 +0000 Re: Diabetes

 

 

 

 

Dear Chakraborty ji, Some argue that Sun is Kroora (Cruel) only and not Papa (malefic). But this argument is NOT supported by Rishi horas. Even the first and most authentic text of astrology - i.e. Skanda Hora - states that - "Papastamstreen vijaneehi" (Those three - Sun, Mars, Saturn - are dare malefics). That is, it is primarity Sun, Mars, Saturn are the MOST malefic planets. Rahu and Ketu are the lesser malefics compared to them. Thus the count of malefics becomes five. But then again the weak Moon should be treated as a malefic. Skanda hora warns us here the word Ksheenendu (weak Moon) indicate ONLY the Moon of Chaturdasi (14th Tithi) and Amavasi (15th Tithi) . Further due to easly getting influenced (by both benefics and malefics placed along with him) Mercury if placed along with malefics should be treated as a malefic itself. Thus these two - Moon and Mercury - are also lesser malefics. Thus the total number of malefics become seven. Then again Gulika etc are also considered as malefic in prashna etc - that is another story; but being mere hypothetical points (time points) without physical existance relevent only for a single day, Gulika etc is not much important in natal chart reading, as per many traditions. Mihira in his book Brihat Jataka gives comparitively less importance only to Rahu and Ketu, and because of this his list of major malefics contains - Weak Moon, Sun, Mar, Saturn and Mercury placed along with above said malefics only (and not Rahu and Ketu) via the quote "Kheenendvarka maheepatarkatanaya papaH budhastairyutaH". But from many slokas in Brihat Jataka is also well evident that Mihira considers Rahua and Ketu also as malefics itself. Thus clearly there is no contradition among scholars about the question - "which planets should be treated as malefics" - they are all unannimous on this; and also unanimous in the fact that the major three - i.e. Sun, Mars, Saturn - are the most malefic. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh-ji,> > Thanks a lot. It is really helpful to me.> > One more question,........> > I used to think that Sun removes diseases as it> is someway connected to Ashwini Kumars etc....> > So, is Sun still malefic as far as medical astrology goes ..> or it still retains its' malefic stature ?> > regards> > Chakraborty> > > > > > ________________________________> sreesog [sreesog]> Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:37 PM> > Re: Diabetes> > > > Dear Chakraborty ji,> When someone speaks about affliction caused by malefics - especially from southern school - they generally mean the afflictions caused natural malefics only - Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu. (Functional malefics are not generally considered, if not the same is specifically mentioned by the classic for the said combinatiion). Weak Moon (Moon of Amasvasi and Chaturdasi only) and Mercury conjuct with some malefic is also be treated as malefics (though with less importance).> Now coming to the word afflication, aflication could be mainly due to -> * Aspect (Drishti - 7th and special drishti only)> * Yoga (presence in the same sign)> * Mutual exchange (bi-directional exchange)> * One directional exchange (this is not considered as strong)> * Papa kartari (planet or house hemmed between malefics)> etc.> Further -> * Malefics BOTH in 4th and 8th> * Malefic in ALL kendras> etc can also with considered - even though with less importance.> As in all cases afflication also should be read from - House, House lord and Significator.> //> Or the affliction may be inferred from Navamsa positions as> > well ? (Like in navamsa, planet x is conjunct with planet Y ?)> > or malefic is located in some planet's amsa ? //> No - this is not generally considered, if not the said amsa of the planet is in the house under> Hope this clarifies your doubt about the use of the word "Afliction"> Note: But I don't know in what sense the BVB team (Journal of astrology is their's), SJC team or the Jaimini team interpret/use such terms.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh consideration itself.> > , "Chakraborty, PL" CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sirs,> >> > When afflictions of planets are referred, does that mean ..> >> > In Rasi chart,> >> > 1) Planets are getting drishti of natural malefics ?> > 2) Planets may additionally afflicted by functional malefics ?> > 3) Conjunct with natural / functional malefics ?> >> > Or the affliction may be inferred from Navamsa positions as> > well ? (Like in navamsa, planet x is conjunct with planet Y ?)> > or malefic is located in some planet's amsa ?> >> > 'Sorry for the rudimentary questions.> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > Manoj Kumar [mouji99@]> > Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:48 PM> > > > Re: Re: Diabetes> >> >> >> > The planets causing diabetes are Jupiter and Venus and their affliction in the horoscope. This has oft been repeated in the articles in the Journal of Astrology.> >> > regards,> >> > Mouji> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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