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Dear Manojji,

 

        Pranams.  I am sorry. I have not seen the Anithaji's post.  The very

discussion starts only on that issue.  Kindly pardon me for my omission.

 

with regards

S.R.Balasubramaniam

 

--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

7th Bhava tenancy

 

Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 9:48 AM

 

 

Dear Anita Ji,

 

 

 

I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to " 7th bhava

tenancy " .

 

 

 

Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK marriage

with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is relative and in most

cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance to divorce.

 

 

 

On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu, Ketu and

Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is infact

considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our Puranas we

can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and had two wives and Sun

sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in 7H (because Me is a sexually

immature Graha who does not who his daddy is). Due to his sexual escapades with

Jupiter's wife (and hence creating Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is

also not welcome in the 7th house. Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive

sexuality (may be the reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is

contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic

and unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.

 

 

 

In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

 

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

 

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sunil ji,

 

This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of horoscopes.

 

I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean.. Could

you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin whose wife

has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

 

Regards,

 

Anita

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

wrote:

 

 

 

>astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

 

>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

 

>ancient_indian_ astrology

 

>Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

 

>

 

>

 

 

>

 

>Dear Dhananjayan Ji

 

>

 

>Thanks for ur Post

 

>

 

>As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r

using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel

 

>

 

>it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other way

connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm

badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?

 

>

 

>also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart

the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of

other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure

majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any

event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness

 

>

 

>Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one glance

 

>as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

 

>

 

>Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th

L in 9th house supports marriage ?  dont u think the bhgya is realy affected by

placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont

support its house behind which is 8th house here

 

>

 

>even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has less problems

in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life (

here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too

 

>

 

>But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors

,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling

happiness frm it  and its nature of  quality even .

 

>

 

>as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along  frm Various

Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they represent in

married Life )

 

>

 

>also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of

some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we hav to consider

Longitivity of Husband  too --i was telling many times even this grp that chart

matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual

then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )

 

>

 

>Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same

planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the

effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will

vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts

bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary

dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean

birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a

totaly diffrt effects in dasa  and all coming dasa s than expected  .Then only

if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka (

here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers

of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the

dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .

 

>

 

>Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together

like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad

then it becomes defenit also .

 

>

 

>So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead

at one look  and even confuse  us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a

aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed

as some circus to just to  justify events

 

>----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

 

>

 

>so see dasa also to see its effects

 

>

 

>

 

>U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

 

>

 

>do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i find

in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b

at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects

and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness

 

>

 

>I think  u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the

nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or

worst in their own  dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes

wil b bad

 

>even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b

felt tru their dasa even

 

>

 

>and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some

weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if

jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by

heart the table )

 

>

 

>So the event has happened in such a dasa

 

>

 

>also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we

hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in

both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of

another dasa )

 

>

 

>Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many

times i find it can act bad in married life

 

>

 

>ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa

dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even

lead to vaidavya )

 

>

 

>I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points

,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was

aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

 

>

 

>if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna was

rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ??

is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness

and sudden action and results

 

>

 

>if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do

manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

 

>

 

>every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu (

negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and

making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean

subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i

am overstrtching )

 

>

 

>also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa

( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position )  in aquarious and connected

with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

 

>

 

>so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

 

>

 

>even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L is

also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here

venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna )

 

>

 

>i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

 

>

 

>

 

>rgrds sunil nair

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma

<abhanaya@.. .> wrote:

 

>>

 

>> Pranams,

 

>>

 

>> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

 

>>

 

>> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

 

>>

 

>> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct 

pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti

impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have

worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,

 

>> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to

her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of

depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

 

>> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th

place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

 

>> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

 

>>

 

>> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,

 

>> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha " visana (Sani

generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further

Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.

 

>> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

 

>>

 

>> Regards/Dhananjayan

 

>>

 

>>

 

>> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. . wrote:

 

>>

 

>> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. .

 

>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

 

>> ancient_indian_ astrology

 

>> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

 

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>> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,

 

>>  

 

>> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August

2009 at 00.28 hours i.e. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone

Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.

 

>>  

 

>> Details of the female is as under

 

>>  

 

>> Date of Birth  10th August 1979

 

>> Place of Birth  Mumbai

 

>> Time of Birth   11.45 am

 

>>  

 

>> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask at the

moment.

 

>>  

 

>> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi.

She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not

under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand

astrologically why she lost her husband.

 

>>  

 

>> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the

Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?

 

>>  

 

>> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has

taken place.

 

>>  

 

>> D. D. Trivedi

 

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Dear Manoj ji

You are ever so helpful.

Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.

Regards,

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj 7th Bhava tenancy Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

Dear Anita Ji,I took the liberty to change the subject from "untimely death" to "7th bhava tenancy".Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says "OK" is relative and in most cases it is "OK" because of societal reluctance to divorce.On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house.

Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PMRe: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Untimely Death Dear Sunil ji,This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of horoscopes.I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.Regards, Anita--- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in> wrote:>astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death>ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM>>> >>Dear Dhananjayan Ji >>Thanks for ur Post >>As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi

dictums i feel >>it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?>>also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness >>Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one glance >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .>>Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is

realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here >>even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too >>But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .>>as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they represent in married Life ) >>also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we

hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )>>Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here

take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .>>Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .>>So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events >----------- - --------- --------- --------- ->>so see dasa also to see its effects >>>U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on >>do u know 2nd

House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness >>I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b felt tru their dasa even >>and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by heart the table ) >>So the event

has happened in such a dasa >>also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa ) >>Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life >>ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya ) >>I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .>>if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna was rising on her 8th house with

mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results >>if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects ) >>every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching ) >>also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..>>so the dasa was working like hands of a clock >>even frm venus the

karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna ) >>i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time >>>rgrds sunil nair >>>>>ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya@.. .> wrote:>>>> Pranams,>> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,>> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.>> >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,>> (1) the native was under

going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.>> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.>> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).>> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,>> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha" visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.>> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).>> >> Regards/Dhananjayan>> >> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. . wrote:>> >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@..

..>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death>> ancient_indian_ astrology>> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,>> >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.>> >> Details of the female is as under>> >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979>> Place of Birth Mumbai>> Time of Birth 11.45 am>> >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a

posiition to ask at the moment.>> >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.>> >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?>> >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has taken place.>> >> D. D. Trivedi>> >> See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Anita Ji,

 

Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

 

Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

 

I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

 

So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

 

So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AMRe: 7th Bhava tenancy

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji

You are ever so helpful.

Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.

Regards,

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancyancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

Dear Anita Ji,I took the liberty to change the subject from "untimely death" to "7th bhava tenancy".Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says "OK" is relative and in most cases it is "OK" because of societal reluctance to divorce.On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house.

Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death Dear Sunil ji,This is with reference to your post on

marriage and matching of horoscopes.I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.Regards, Anita--- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in> wrote:>astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death>ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM>>> >>Dear Dhananjayan Ji >>Thanks for ur Post >>As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel >>it that case all her planets

except Moon and mars are one way or other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?>>also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness >>Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one glance >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .>>Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of

a planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here >>even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too >>But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .>>as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they represent in married Life ) >>also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was

telling many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )>>Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts

,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .>>Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .>>So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events >----------- - --------- --------- --------- ->>so see dasa also to see its effects >>>U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on >>do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i

find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness >>I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b felt tru their dasa even >>and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by heart the table ) >>So the event has happened in such a dasa >>also see the

sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa ) >>Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life >>ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya ) >>I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .>>if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ?? is this

not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results >>if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects ) >>every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching ) >>also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..>>so the dasa was working like hands of a clock >>even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L is

also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna ) >>i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time >>>rgrds sunil nair >>>>>ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya@.. .> wrote:>>>> Pranams,>> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,>> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.>> >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,>> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to her.Sani

associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.>> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.>> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).>> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,>> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha" visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.>> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).>> >> Regards/Dhananjayan>> >> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. . wrote:>> >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. .>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely

Death>> ancient_indian_ astrology>> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,>> >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.>> >> Details of the female is as under>> >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979>> Place of Birth Mumbai>> Time of Birth 11.45 am>> >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask at the moment.>> >> She

has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.>> >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?>> >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has taken place.>> >> D. D. Trivedi>> >> See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Dear Anita ji,//I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs.. //Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction at work?

Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming as Messiahs in our life? And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

Pahiye going in two different directions!!!Just some random thoughts....:-)RegardsNeelam2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs.. Regards,

 

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

Re: 7th Bhava tenancy Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Anita Ji,

 

Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

 

Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

 

I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

 

So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

 

So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji

You are ever so helpful.

Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.

Regards,

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

 

Dear Anita Ji,I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to " 7th bhava tenancy " .Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance to divorce.

On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house.

Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.

In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death  Dear Sunil ji,This is with reference to your post on

marriage and matching of horoscopes.I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

Regards, Anita--- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in> wrote:>astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death>ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM>>>  >>Dear Dhananjayan Ji

>>Thanks for ur Post >>As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel >>it that case all

her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?>

>also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness

>>Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one glance >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .>>Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ?  dont u think the bhgya is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and

position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here >>even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too

>>But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling happiness frm it  and its nature of  quality even .

>>as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along  frm Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they represent in married Life ) >>also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband  too

--i was telling many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )>>Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa  and all coming dasa s than expected  .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such

charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .>>Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

>>So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead at one look  and even confuse  us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to  justify events

>----------- - --------- --------- --------- ->>so see dasa also to see its effects >>>U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on >>do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4

,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness

>>I think  u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or worst in their own  dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad

>even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b felt tru their dasa even >>and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )

>>So the event has happened in such a dasa >>also see

the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )

>>Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life >>ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )

>>I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .>

>if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ?? is

this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results >>if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

>>every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )

>>also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position )  in aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..>>so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

>>even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L

is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna ) >>i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time >

>>rgrds sunil nair >>>>>ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya@.. .> wrote:>>>> Pranams,>> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

>> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.>> >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct  pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,

>> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to her.Sani

associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.>> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

>> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).>> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,>> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha " visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.

>> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).>> >> Regards/Dhananjayan>> >> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. . wrote:>> >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. .

>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely

Death>> ancient_indian_ astrology>> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM>> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,>>  >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.

>>  >> Details of the female is as under>>  >> Date of Birth  10th August 1979>> Place of Birth  Mumbai>> Time of Birth   11.45 am>>  >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask at the moment.

>>  >> She

has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

>>  >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?>>  >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has taken place.

>>  >> D. D. Trivedi>> >> See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz.>> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Dear Neelam ji,

 

This question though I have recieved the answer off late, yet I have

pondered many times over and over again.

 

The opposition part is the enemy in Political elections. The player

playing opposite you on the tennis court is the challenger. Same way

when we used to play Carrom Board when children the player sitting

opposite was the challenger whom we had to win over , or at least not

loose and draw the game.

 

In the similiar manner the greatest challenge comes in a human beings

Life from the 1/7 Axis. If a person is able to win his wifes or husbands

Love as the case may be, he or she becomes the emperor or empress

respectively, in this human Birth. To do this is not easy. The partner

knows all our shortcomings, bad habits, loose thoights and our

functioining of the mind. To fool ones partner is not easy. yet with all

our handicaps if we are able to gain Love and respect from our partner

due to the good positive points in our character overlapping these

negative ones, our good behaviour putting all our little bad behvaiour

in oblivion , and we able to gain some respect in our partners eyes,

then the battle is won, and rest of all the other battles in this Life

considered to huamn relationships would seem puny.

 

The biggest rinabadhan with a person with whom lies in our previous

bith, in almost all cases becomes our partner in this birth be it a

rinabandhan of Love or hate.

 

To get through this relationship in this Life time without any stains on

body or soul, and still remain united with partners Love and belonging,

then we are able to clear one of the biggest hurdles of our Life, tjhe

7th house hurdle, the maraka which will now no more remaina force for

us to fear, but a force whom we can welcome when our time comes, coz we

have done our duties well as expected of us.

 

Just random thoughts , if you find silly, pl ignore.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Anita ji,

>

> //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the

other just

> grabs.. //

>

> Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and

marak

> opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction

at

> work?

> Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming

as

> Messiahs in our life?

>

> And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> Pahiye going in two different directions!!!

>

> Just some random thoughts....:-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

> 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a

case of

> > bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many

cases

> > where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj* wrote:

> >

> >

> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj

> > Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > Anita Ji,

> >

> > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also

affect

> > another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with

effects of 8L

> > in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see

that more

> > planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

> >

> > Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away

with any

> > thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

> >

> > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no

amount

> > of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those

incidents. What

> > the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can

only HOPE

> > to minimize the pain.

> >

> > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly

completely

> > innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

> >

> > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about

facing the

> > situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the

person's

> > destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE

spiritually, what

> > can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> > *Subject:* Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji

> > You are ever so helpful.

> > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many

/ one

> > planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes,

or it is

> > a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away

with a

> > lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only

sufferer.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

> >

> > Dear Anita Ji,

> >

> > I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to

" 7th

> > bhava tenancy " .

> >

> > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK

> > marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

> > relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance

to

> > divorce.

> >

> > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,

Rahu,

> > Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony.

Sun is

> > infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we

read our

> > Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and

> > had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in

> > 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his

daddy is).

> > Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating

> > Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the

7th house.

> > Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason

for Karko

> > Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the

7H can

> > be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong.

If not

> > children will cause problems in Marriage.

> >

> > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Anita R ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT)

com<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=ash.rsh55%40>

> > >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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y%40>

> > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

horoscopes.

> > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be

clean.

> > Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a

cousin

> > whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @

.co.

> > in> wrote:

> >

> > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> > >

> > >Thanks for ur Post

> > >

> > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

reading

> > we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel

> > >

> > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or

other way

> > connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected

By sani

> > frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can

take us ?

> > >

> > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened

in a

> > chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other

wise

> > with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is

No badaka

> > concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can

escpe

> > using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or

marriage or

> > sickness

> > >

> > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one

glance

> >

> > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> > >

> > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says

mars as

> > 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is

realy

> > affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in

2nd

> > House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here

> > >

> > >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has

less

> > problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a

good

> > married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not

exprnce

> > widowhood too

> > >

> > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to

various

> > factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital

affairs and

> > ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> > >

> > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

> > Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what

they

> > represent in married Life )

> > >

> > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only

possible

> > periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

matchting we hav

> > to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times

even this

> > grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some

one is

> > very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever

learned too )

> > >

> > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if

the same

> > planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other

vargas the

> > effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa

also

> > will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the

effect of

> > the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce

in birth

> > time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger

planetary

> > periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods

will vary

> > and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa

s than

> > expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may

affect in

> > quality of the karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first

) in

> > such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in

charts

> > ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the

event

> > directly ,than first glance look of charts .

> > >

> > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s

work

> > together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is

pointing

> > some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

> > >

> > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts

may

> > mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known

and

> > hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every

thing as

> > it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > >so see dasa also to see its effects

> > >

> > >

> > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

> > >

> > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4

,so i

> > find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

> > relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other

way ,As

> > same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house

of

> > family happiness

> > >

> > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was

rahu )

> > ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to

giv its

> > best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who

conjoined

> > with Nodes wil b bad

> > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in

and it

> > may b felt tru their dasa even

> > >

> > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also

some

> > weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in

mrityubhaga (

> > if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and

i dont

> > know by heart the table )

> > >

> > >So the event has happened in such a dasa

> > >

> > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also

happeneing

> > ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the

period

> > together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending

of a

> > dasa or begining of another dasa )

> > >

> > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa

dispositor dasa

> > many times i find it can act bad in married life

> > >

> > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )

-the

> > navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in

dasa and it

> > can even lead to vaidavya )

> > >

> > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as

strting

> > Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major

planets

> > was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> > >

> > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the

lagna

> > was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and

mangal

> > dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a

quality

> > of swiftness and sudden action and results

> > >

> > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i

used to

> > do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

> > >

> > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the

ketu (

> > negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th

house and

> > making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets

too ( i

> > mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u

can

> > argue here i am overstrtching )

> > >

> > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both

has

> > panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

aquarious

> > and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

> > >

> > >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

> > >

> > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and

its 8th

> > L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of

married

> > Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna )

> > >

> > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

> > >

> > >

> > >rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan

Brahma

> > abhanaya@ .> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Pranams,

> > >>

> > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> > >>

> > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> > >>

> > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory

direct

> > pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru

bukti

> > impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood

seem to

> > have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,

> > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are

bathaka to

> > her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be

capable

> > of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed

at the

> > 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

> > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> > >>

> > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another

foreign

> > land,

> > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha "

visana

> > (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead

its

> > transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its

PAV.

> > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

> > >>

> > >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:

> > >>

> > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .

> > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,

> > >>

> > >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on

9th

> > August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in

USA

> > after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant

he did

> > not survive.

> > >>

> > >> Details of the female is as under

> > >>

> > >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> > >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> > >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

> > >>

> > >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to

ask at

> > the moment.

> > >>

> > >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in

Mithun

> > rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till

4.6.2010. Her

> > Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could

not

> > understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

> > >>

> > >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon

and

> > the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru

Dosha?

> > >>

> > >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event

which

> > has taken place.

> > >>

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Could you both, please permit me to add! Of course, in lighter vain !!!

 

MAN IS A GIVER AND WOMAN IS A TAKER -'IN ALL' !!!!!!

Pathi,

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:40:17 AMRe: 7th Bhava tenancy

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

The questions you have raised or shall I say, your "musings" are something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million dollar questions.

Perhaps it is a question of "TWO OPPOSITES" making a "WHOLE". You know a man and a woman are supposed to be "Halves" , one being the "BETTER HALF" and the other "BADDER HALF" perhaps.

No offense meant.

Regards,

Anita

--- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancyancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

Dear Anita ji,//I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs.. //Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction at work? Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming as Messiahs in our life? And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?Pahiye going in two different directions!! !Just some random thoughts.... :-)RegardsNeelam

2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs.. Regards,

 

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Anita Ji,

 

Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

 

Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

 

I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

 

So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

 

So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji

You are ever so helpful.

Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.

Regards,

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancyancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

Dear Anita Ji,I took the liberty to change the subject from "untimely death" to "7th bhava tenancy".Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says "OK" is relative and in most cases it is "OK" because of societal reluctance to divorce.On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house.

Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death Dear Sunil ji,This is with reference to your post on

marriage and matching of horoscopes.I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.Regards, Anita--- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in> wrote:>astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death>ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM>>> >>Dear Dhananjayan Ji >>Thanks for ur Post >>As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing

of rishi dictums i feel >>it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?>>also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness >>Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one glance >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .>>Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the

bhgya is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here >>even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too >>But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .>>as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they represent in married Life ) >>also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )>>Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the

karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .>>Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .>>So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events >----------- - --------- --------- --------- ->>so see dasa also to see its effects >>>U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on >>do

u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness >>I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b felt tru their dasa even >>and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )

>>So the event has happened in such a dasa >>also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa ) >>Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life >>ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya ) >>I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .>>if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna was

rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results >>if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects ) >>every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching ) >>also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..>>so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

>>even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna ) >>i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time >>>rgrds sunil nair >>>>>ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya@.. .> wrote:>>>> Pranams,>> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,>> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.>> >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

husband.Thus,>> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.>> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.>> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).>> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,>> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha" visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.>> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).>> >> Regards/Dhananjayan>> >> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. . wrote:>>

>> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. .>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death>> ancient_indian_ astrology>> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,>> >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.>> >> Details of the female is as under>> >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979>> Place of Birth Mumbai>> Time of Birth 11.45 am>> >> I do not

have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask at the moment.>> >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.>> >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?>> >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has taken place.>> >> D. D. Trivedi>> >> See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Dear Anita ji,I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer! Two individuals bound in DUALITYYet One and INDIVIsibleThe *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously learnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.

Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this issue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and karmic thrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility! Hope that makes sense!

RegardsNeelam2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " are something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million dollar questions.

Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . You know a man and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being the " BETTER HALF "   and the  other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.

No offense meant.

Regards,

Anita

--- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

Date: Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

 

Dear Anita ji,//I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs.. //Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction at work?

Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming as Messiahs in our life? And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

Pahiye going in two different directions!! !Just some random thoughts.... :-)RegardsNeelam

2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs.. Regards,

 

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

 

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anita Ji,

 

Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

 

Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

 

I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

 

So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

 

So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji

You are ever so helpful.

Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.

Regards,

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

 

Dear Anita Ji,I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to " 7th bhava tenancy " .Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance to divorce.

On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house.

Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.

In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death  Dear Sunil ji,This is with reference to your post on

marriage and matching of horoscopes.I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

Regards, Anita--- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in> wrote:>astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death>ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM>>>  >>Dear Dhananjayan Ji

>>Thanks for ur Post >>As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing

of rishi dictums i feel >>it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?

>>also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness

>>Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one glance >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .>>Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ?  dont u think the

bhgya is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here >>even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too

>>But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling happiness frm it  and its nature of  quality even .

>>as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along  frm Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they represent in married Life ) >>also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband  too --i was telling many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )

>>Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa  and all coming dasa s than expected  .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the

karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .

>>Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .>>So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead at one look  and even confuse  us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to  justify events

>----------- - --------- --------- --------- ->>so see dasa also to see its effects >>>U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on >>do

u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness

>>I think  u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or worst in their own  dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad

>even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b felt tru their dasa even >>and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )

>>So the event has happened in such a dasa >>also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )

>>Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life >>ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )

>>I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .>

>if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna was

rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results >>if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

>>every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )

>>also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position )  in aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..>>so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

>>even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna )

>>i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time >>>rgrds sunil nair >>>>>ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya@.. .> wrote:

>>>> Pranams,>> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,>> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.>> >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct  pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

husband.Thus,>> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.>> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

>> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).>> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,>> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha " visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.

>> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).>> >> Regards/Dhananjayan>> >> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. . wrote:>>

>> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. .>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death>> ancient_indian_ astrology>> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

>> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,>>  

>> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.

>>  >> Details of the female is as under>>  >> Date of Birth  10th August 1979>> Place of Birth  Mumbai>> Time of Birth   11.45 am>>  >> I do not

have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask at the moment.>>  >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

>>  >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?>>  >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has taken place.

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Thank you Bhaskar ji for sharing your valuable thoughts. //The biggest rinabadhan with a person with whom lies in our previous

bith, in almost all cases becomes our partner in this birth be it a

rinabandhan of Love or hate.//What you say seems to be true. As I was telling Anita ji, may be 24x7, *tu-tu-main-main* was meant to be, to expend the ego faster. :-)Though sometimes it is hilarious, yet pitiful, to see couples married for 50 years fighting with the same never-say-die spirit! Another innings they might need to play if it's a draw!!

RegardsNeelam2009/8/28 bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

 

This question though I have recieved the answer off late, yet I have

pondered many times over and over again.

 

The opposition part is the enemy in Political elections. The player

playing opposite you on the tennis court is the challenger. Same way

when we used to play Carrom Board when children the player sitting

opposite was the challenger whom we had to win over , or at least not

loose and draw the game.

 

In the similiar manner the greatest challenge comes in a human beings

Life from the 1/7 Axis. If a person is able to win his wifes or husbands

Love as the case may be, he or she becomes the emperor or empress

respectively, in this human Birth. To do this is not easy. The partner

knows all our shortcomings, bad habits, loose thoights and our

functioining of the mind. To fool ones partner is not easy. yet with all

our handicaps if we are able to gain Love and respect from our partner

due to the good positive points in our character overlapping these

negative ones, our good behaviour putting all our little bad behvaiour

in oblivion , and we able to gain some respect in our partners eyes,

then the battle is won, and rest of all the other battles in this Life

considered to huamn relationships would seem puny.

 

The biggest rinabadhan with a person with whom lies in our previous

bith, in almost all cases becomes our partner in this birth be it a

rinabandhan of Love or hate.

 

To get through this relationship in this Life time without any stains on

body or soul, and still remain united with partners Love and belonging,

then we are able to clear one of the biggest hurdles of our Life, tjhe

7th house hurdle, the maraka which will now no more remaina force for

us to fear, but a force whom we can welcome when our time comes, coz we

have done our duties well as expected of us.

 

Just random thoughts , if you find silly, pl ignore.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Anita ji,

>

> //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the

other just

> grabs.. //

>

> Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and

marak

> opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction

at

> work?

> Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming

as

> Messiahs in our life?

>

> And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> Pahiye going in two different directions!!!

>

> Just some random thoughts....:-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

> 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a

case of

> > bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many

cases

> > where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj* wrote:

> >

> >

> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj

> > Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > Anita Ji,

> >

> > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also

affect

> > another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with

effects of 8L

> > in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see

that more

> > planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

> >

> > Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away

with any

> > thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

> >

> > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no

amount

> > of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those

incidents. What

> > the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can

only HOPE

> > to minimize the pain.

> >

> > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly

completely

> > innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

> >

> > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about

facing the

> > situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the

person's

> > destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE

spiritually, what

> > can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> > *Subject:* Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji

> > You are ever so helpful.

> > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many

/ one

> > planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes,

or it is

> > a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away

with a

> > lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only

sufferer.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

> >

> > Dear Anita Ji,

> >

> > I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to

" 7th

> > bhava tenancy " .

> >

> > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK

> > marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

> > relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance

to

> > divorce.

> >

> > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,

Rahu,

> > Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony.

Sun is

> > infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we

read our

> > Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and

> > had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in

> > 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his

daddy is).

> > Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating

> > Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the

7th house.

> > Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason

for Karko

> > Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the

7H can

> > be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong.

If not

> > children will cause problems in Marriage.

> >

> > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Anita R ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT)

com<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=ash.rsh55%40>

> > >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=ancient_indian_astrolog\

y%40>

> > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

horoscopes.

> > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be

clean.

> > Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a

cousin

> > whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @

.co.

> > in> wrote:

> >

> > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> > >

> > >Thanks for ur Post

> > >

> > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

reading

> > we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel

> > >

> > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or

other way

> > connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected

By sani

> > frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can

take us ?

> > >

> > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened

in a

> > chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other

wise

> > with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is

No badaka

> > concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can

escpe

> > using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or

marriage or

> > sickness

> > >

> > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one

glance

> >

> > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> > >

> > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says

mars as

> > 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is

realy

> > affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in

2nd

> > House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here

> > >

> > >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has

less

> > problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a

good

> > married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not

exprnce

> > widowhood too

> > >

> > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to

various

> > factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital

affairs and

> > ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> > >

> > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

> > Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what

they

> > represent in married Life )

> > >

> > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only

possible

> > periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

matchting we hav

> > to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times

even this

> > grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some

one is

> > very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever

learned too )

> > >

> > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if

the same

> > planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other

vargas the

> > effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa

also

> > will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the

effect of

> > the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce

in birth

> > time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger

planetary

> > periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods

will vary

> > and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa

s than

> > expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may

affect in

> > quality of the karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first

) in

> > such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in

charts

> > ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the

event

> > directly ,than first glance look of charts .

> > >

> > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s

work

> > together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is

pointing

> > some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

> > >

> > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts

may

> > mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known

and

> > hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every

thing as

> > it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > >so see dasa also to see its effects

> > >

> > >

> > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

> > >

> > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4

,so i

> > find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

> > relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other

way ,As

> > same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house

of

> > family happiness

> > >

> > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was

rahu )

> > ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to

giv its

> > best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who

conjoined

> > with Nodes wil b bad

> > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in

and it

> > may b felt tru their dasa even

> > >

> > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also

some

> > weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in

mrityubhaga (

> > if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and

i dont

> > know by heart the table )

> > >

> > >So the event has happened in such a dasa

> > >

> > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also

happeneing

> > ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the

period

> > together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending

of a

> > dasa or begining of another dasa )

> > >

> > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa

dispositor dasa

> > many times i find it can act bad in married life

> > >

> > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )

-the

> > navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in

dasa and it

> > can even lead to vaidavya )

> > >

> > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as

strting

> > Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major

planets

> > was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> > >

> > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the

lagna

> > was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and

mangal

> > dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a

quality

> > of swiftness and sudden action and results

> > >

> > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i

used to

> > do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

> > >

> > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the

ketu (

> > negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th

house and

> > making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets

too ( i

> > mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u

can

> > argue here i am overstrtching )

> > >

> > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both

has

> > panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

aquarious

> > and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

> > >

> > >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

> > >

> > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and

its 8th

> > L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of

married

> > Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna )

> > >

> > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

> > >

> > >

> > >rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan

Brahma

> > abhanaya@ .> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Pranams,

> > >>

> > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> > >>

> > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> > >>

> > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory

direct

> > pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru

bukti

> > impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood

seem to

> > have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,

> > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are

bathaka to

> > her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be

capable

> > of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed

at the

> > 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

> > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> > >>

> > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another

foreign

> > land,

> > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha "

visana

> > (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead

its

> > transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its

PAV.

> > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

> > >>

> > >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:

> > >>

> > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .

> > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

> > >>

> > >>

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> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,

> > >>

> > >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on

9th

> > August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in

USA

> > after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant

he did

> > not survive.

> > >>

> > >> Details of the female is as under

> > >>

> > >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> > >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> > >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

> > >>

> > >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to

ask at

> > the moment.

> > >>

> > >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in

Mithun

> > rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till

4.6.2010. Her

> > Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could

not

> > understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

> > >>

> > >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon

and

> > the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru

Dosha?

> > >>

> > >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event

which

> > has taken place.

> > >>

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Dear Sirs,

 

There is 1/6 axis between the 2nd and the 7th house. When a person dies,

who takes us to burn our bodies in the flames ? Our own family members .

 

What is the death house for the spouse. The 2nd house in our chart ?

This is a 1/8 axix for our wife house in the chart. She has to spend her

whole life in our family (Which now becomes her own ) and finally leave

to the last journey from the doors of this same family of ours.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, <CHAKRABORTYP2

wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> It looks strange (or perhaps not so strange) that activities

> those we like much, i.e., food & immediate family (2H)

> and spouse & partnership (7H) are both maraka.

>

> Probably it also indicates that what we do with these

> houses (what sort of food we take, what we talk --2H &

> what sort of partners we choose and how we treat them- 7H)

> has a great role in how the Maraka will act.(Badder or Better)

>

>

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

> _____

>

> neelam gupta [neelamgupta07]

> Friday, August 28, 2009 3:30 PM

>

> Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

>

>

>

>

> Dear Anita ji,

>

> I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer!

> Two individuals

> bound in DUALITY

> Yet One and INDIVIsible

>

> The *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously learnt

> lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.

> Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this

issue on

> a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and karmic

thrusts of

> individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility!

>

> Hope that makes sense!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

>

> 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT) <ash.rsh55 com>

>

Dear Neelam ji,

> The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " are

something

> which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I stepped

into

> the world of astrology. I can only say they are million dollar

questions.

> Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . You know

a man

> and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being the " BETTER HALF "

and

> the other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.

> No offense meant.

> Regards,

> Anita

>

>

> --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

> <neelamgupta07 gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ <neelamgupta07

> gmail.com>

>

> Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

> ancient_indian_ <

> astrology

>

> Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

>

>

>

> Dear Anita ji,

>

> //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the

other just

> grabs.. //

>

> Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and

marak

> opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction

at

> work?

> Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming

as

> Messiahs in our life?

>

> And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> Pahiye going in two different directions!! !

>

> Just some random thoughts.... :-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55

> <http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=ash.rsh55@... >

>

>

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

> I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a case

of

> bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many

cases

> where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> <http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=chandran_manoj@...

> > wrote:

>

>

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> <http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=chandran_manoj@...

> >

>

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology@

>

<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=@y\

ahoo

> groups.com> . com

>

> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

>

>

>

> Anita Ji,

>

> Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also

affect

> another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects

of 8L

> in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see

that more

> planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

>

> Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with

any

> thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

>

> I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no

amount of

> clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents.

What the

> chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only

HOPE to

> minimize the pain.

>

> So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly

completely

> innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

>

> So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing

the

> situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the

person's

> destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually,

what

> can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

>

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji

> You are ever so helpful.

> Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many /

one

> planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or

it is

> a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away

with a

> lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only

sufferer.

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> <http:///> > wrote:

>

>

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ <http:///> >

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

>

>

>

> Dear Anita Ji,

>

> I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to " 7th

bhava

> tenancy " .

>

> Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK

> marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

> relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance

to

> divorce.

>

> On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,

Rahu, Ketu

> and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is

infact

> considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our

Puranas

> we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and had two

wives and

> Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in 7H (because Me is a

> sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is). Due to his

sexual

> escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating Mercury's who is my

daddy

> dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house. Venus in the 7H can

lead

> to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko Bhava Nashto

saying

> although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if

Jupiter is

> a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not children will

cause

> problems in Marriage.

>

> In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Anita R ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT)

> <http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=ash.rsh55%40>

com>

> ancient_indian_

>

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> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

>

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

> This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

horoscopes.

> I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be

clean.

> Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a

cousin

> whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co

> <http://.co/> . in> wrote:

>

> >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co

<http://.co/>

> . in>

> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> >

> >Thanks for ur Post

> >

> >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

reading

> we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel

> >

> >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or

other way

> connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By

sani

> frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take

us ?

> >

> >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in

a

> chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other

wise

> with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No

badaka

> concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can

escpe

> using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage

or

> sickness

> >

> >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one

glance

> >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> >

> >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says

mars as

> 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is realy

> affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in

2nd

> House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here

> >

> >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has less

> problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a

good

> married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce

> widowhood too

> >

> >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various

> factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital

affairs and

> ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> >

> >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

Various

> Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they

represent in

> married Life )

> >

> >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible

> periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting

we hav

> to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even

this

> grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one

is

> very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned

too )

> >

> >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the

same

> planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other

vargas the

> effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa

also

> will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the

effect of

> the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in

birth

> time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger

planetary

> periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will

vary

> and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa s

than

> expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect

in

> quality of the karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first )

in

> such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts

> ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the

event

> directly ,than first glance look of charts .

> >

> >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s

work

> together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is

pointing

> some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

> >

> >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts

may

> mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and

> hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every

thing as

> it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> >so see dasa also to see its effects

> >

> >

> >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

> >

> >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4

,so i

> find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

> relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way

,As

> same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of

> family happiness

> >

> >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was

rahu )

> ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to

giv its

> best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who

conjoined

> with Nodes wil b bad

> >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and

it

> may b felt tru their dasa even

> >

> >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also

some

> weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in

mrityubhaga (

> if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i

dont

> know by heart the table )

> >

> >So the event has happened in such a dasa

> >

> >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also

happeneing

> ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the

period

> together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of

a

> dasa or begining of another dasa )

> >

> >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor

dasa

> many times i find it can act bad in married life

> >

> >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )

-the

> navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa

and it

> can even lead to vaidavya )

> >

> >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting

> Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major

planets

> was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> >

> >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the

lagna was

> rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal

dosha

> ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality

of

> swiftness and sudden action and results

> >

> >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i

used to

> do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

> >

> >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the

ketu (

> negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th

house and

> making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too

( i

> mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u

can

> argue here i am overstrtching )

> >

> >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has

> panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

aquarious

> and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

> >

> >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

> >

> >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its

8th L

> is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of

married

> Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna )

> >

> >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

> >

> >

> >rgrds sunil nair

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan

Brahma

> abhanaya@ .> wrote:

> >>

> >> Pranams,

> >>

> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> >>

> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> >>

> >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory

direct

> pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru

bukti

> impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem

to

> have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,

> >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka

to

> her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be

capable

> of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed

at the

> 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

> >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> >>

> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign

land,

> >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha "

visana

> (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its

> transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its

PAV.

> >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

> >>

> >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> >>

> >>

> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:

> >>

> >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .

> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

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9th

> August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in

USA

> after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant

he did

> not survive.

> >>

> >> Details of the female is as under

> >>

> >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

> >>

> >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to

ask at

> the moment.

> >>

> >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun

> rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010.

Her

> Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not

> understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

> >>

> >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon

and the

> Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?

> >>

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Ya. Sometimes it is peace all the way and sometimes war. Adds spice to life and makes life more interesting ...Without "family politics", the various "pulls and pushes" life would BE DULL..........

Regards,

Anita

--- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: 7th Bhava tenancy Date: Friday, 28 August, 2009, 9:59 AM

Dear Anita ji,I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer! Two individuals bound in DUALITYYet One and INDIVIsibleThe *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously learnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana. Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this issue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and karmic thrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility! Hope that makes sense!RegardsNeelam

2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

The questions you have raised or shall I say, your "musings" are something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million dollar questions.

Perhaps it is a question of "TWO OPPOSITES" making a "WHOLE". You know a man and a woman are supposed to be "Halves" , one being the "BETTER HALF" and the other "BADDER HALF" perhaps.

No offense meant.

Regards,

Anita

--- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancyancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

 

 

 

Dear Anita ji,//I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs.. //Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction at work? Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming as Messiahs in our life? And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?Pahiye going in two different directions!! !Just some random thoughts.... :-)RegardsNeelam

2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs.. Regards,

 

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Anita Ji,

 

Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

 

Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

 

I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

 

So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

 

So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji

You are ever so helpful.

Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.

Regards,

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancyancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

Dear Anita Ji,I took the liberty to change the subject from "untimely death" to "7th bhava tenancy".Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says "OK" is relative and in most cases it is "OK" because of societal reluctance to divorce.On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house.

Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death Dear Sunil ji,This is with reference to your post on

marriage and matching of horoscopes.I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.Regards, Anita--- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in> wrote:>astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death>ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM>>> >>Dear Dhananjayan Ji >>Thanks for ur Post >>As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing

of rishi dictums i feel >>it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?>>also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness >>Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one glance >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .>>Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the

bhgya is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here >>even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too >>But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .>>as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they represent in married Life ) >>also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )>>Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the

karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .>>Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .>>So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events >----------- - --------- --------- --------- ->>so see dasa also to see its effects >>>U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on >>do

u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness >>I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b felt tru their dasa even >>and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )

>>So the event has happened in such a dasa >>also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa ) >>Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life >>ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya ) >>I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .>>if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna was

rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results >>if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects ) >>every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching ) >>also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..>>so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

>>even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna ) >>i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time >>>rgrds sunil nair >>>>>ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya@.. .> wrote:>>>> Pranams,>> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,>> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.>> >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

husband.Thus,>> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.>> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.>> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).>> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,>> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha" visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.>> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).>> >> Regards/Dhananjayan>> >> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. . wrote:>>

>> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@.. .>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death>> ancient_indian_ astrology>> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,>> >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.>> >> Details of the female is as under>> >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979>> Place of Birth Mumbai>> Time of Birth 11.45 am>> >> I do not

have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask at the moment.>> >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.>> >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?>> >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has taken place.>> >> D. D. Trivedi>> >> See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Dear Bhaskar,

                      Yes,I am the same person...and I have joined this group as

I have some original English translations of old classical texts like

Saravali,Jataka Parijata etc...which I could surely take pleasure in e-mailing

them to any of your members,who may be desirous to have them for reference

work....

                       I have studied Traditional Astrology and even practised

it for long years,but I switched over to K.P., after my great disappointment

with the Traditional System...I had all but given up Astrology,but by a great

stroke of Good Fortune,while I was at Bhopal,(1975-76),and our (Traditional)

Astrologers' Association,of which I was a member,invited Prof.

K.S.Krishnamurthy,to expound on his new theory of Stellar Astrology,called

Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...I recall now,our local President had quite sceptically

suggested KSK's name,with a secret objective of  " exposing it's hollowness " ...

                       But instead,it turned out that after the Lecture

demonstration lasting 3 days...a majority of the members immediately became

KSK's disciples...and paid Rs 40/- in advance for the 2 Volumes of his

Books,Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...truly, his brilliant exposition of the Ruling

Planets Theory ,with live examples,triggerred this off spontaneous response... !

                       In those days,the supply of electricity,was very erratic

and the lights would go off frequently...after two such happenings, the third

time,he calculated on the black-board when the lights would come on again...and

to the great surprise of everybody,they came on exactly at the very time he

wrote down on the black-board in large letters...!That DID it... ! !

                       Wishing you the very best,

                       Yogesh Lajmi.

                                                       GOOD LUCK !

                      

 

 

 

 

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Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56:06 PM

Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

 

Are you the same Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji of KP Group whom I respect so

much. If yes, then I am pretty glad to see you over here.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " yogeshlajmi "

<yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Anita,

> Isn't the 7th also a Marakasthana for certain Lagnas ?

> How then do you interpret ? Do take the Badhaka/Maraka effect into

consideration ?

> Kindly reconcile...

> Yogesh Lajmi

>

> >

> > Ya. Sometimes it is peace all the way and sometimes war. Adds spice

to life and makes life more interesting ...Without " family politics " ,

the various " pulls and pushes " life would BE DULL........ ..

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 9:59 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Anita ji,

> >

> > I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer!

> > Two individuals

> > bound in DUALITY

> > Yet One and INDIVIsible

> >

> > The *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously

learnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.

> > Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this

issue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and karmic

thrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility!

> >

> > Hope that makes sense!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji,

> > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " are

something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I

stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million

dollar questions.

> > Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . You

know a man and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being the

" BETTER HALF " and the other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.

> > No offense meant.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Anita ji,

> >

> > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the

other just grabs.. //

> >

> > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and

marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal

attraction at work?

> > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends

coming as Messiahs in our life?

> >

> > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !

> >

> > Just some random thoughts.... :-)

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a

case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so

many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Anita Ji,

> >

> > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also

affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with

effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You

can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these

combinations can happen.

> >

> > Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away

with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

> >

> > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no

amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those

incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be

experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

> >

> > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly

completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

> >

> > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about

facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is

the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE

spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji

> > You are ever so helpful.

> > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many

/ one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes,

or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get

away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the

only sufferer.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Anita Ji,

> >

> > I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to

" 7th bhava tenancy " .

> >

> > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK

marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance to

divorce.

> >

> > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,

Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony.

Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we

read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life

and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in

7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy

is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating

Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th

house. Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the

reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) .

Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and

unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.

> >

> > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

horoscopes.

> > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be

clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a

cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @

.co. in> wrote:

> >

> > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> > >

> > >Thanks for ur Post

> > >

> > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i

feel

> > >

> > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or

other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is

aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this

strntching can take us ?

> > >

> > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened

in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other

wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is

No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one

can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or

marriage or sickness

> > >

> > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one

glance

> > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> > >

> > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says

mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya

is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a

planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th

house here

> > >

> > >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has

less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a

good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not

exprnce widowhood too

> > >

> > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to

various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital

affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> > >

> > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they

represent in married Life )

> > >

> > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only

possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling

many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise

and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at

times how ever learned too )

> > >

> > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if

the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and

other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth

time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need

not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a

5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a

nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub

periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt

effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected ..Then only if u

see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka (

here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa

is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90

% of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first

glance look of charts .

> > >

> > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s

work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is

pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

> > >

> > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts

may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known

and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every

thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > >so see dasa also to see its effects

> > >

> > >

> > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

> > >

> > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4

,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way

,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house

of family happiness

> > >

> > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was

rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try

to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of

Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad

> > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in

and it may b felt tru their dasa even

> > >

> > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also

some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in

mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga

everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )

> > >

> > >So the event has happened in such a dasa

> > >

> > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also

happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if

the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean

ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )

> > >

> > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa

dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life

> > >

> > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )

-the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in

dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )

> > >

> > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as

strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all

major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> > >

> > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the

lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and

mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got

a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results

> > >

> > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i

used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

> > >

> > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the

ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its

12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good

planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less

effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )

> > >

> > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both

has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

> > >

> > >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

> > >

> > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and

its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity

of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm

lagna )

> > >

> > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

> > >

> > >

> > >rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan

Brahma <abhanaya@ .> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Pranams,

> > >>

> > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> > >>

> > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> > >>

> > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory

direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa

Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house

mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

husband.Thus,

> > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are

bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said

to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed

at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

> > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> > >>

> > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another

foreign land,

> > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha "

visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead

its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its

PAV.

> > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

> > >>

> > >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:

> > >>

> > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .

> > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,

> > >>

> > >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on

9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in

USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant

he did not survive.

> > >>

> > >> Details of the female is as under

> > >>

> > >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> > >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> > >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

> > >>

> > >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to

ask at the moment.

> > >>

> > >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in

Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till

4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets.

I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

> > >>

> > >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon

and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru

Dosha?

> > >>

> > >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event

which has taken place.

> > >>

> > >> D. D. Trivedi

> > >>

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Respected Lajmi ji,It is a privilege to have your gracious presence here with us. I am sure our members would be able to draw on your vast experience and knowledge, and take a few steps forward on this divine path.

It will be nice if you can upload the translations in the files section. They will be useful for most of us.We welcome you to the group Sir and look forward to your blessings and knowledge-sharing.Thanks and Regards

Neelam2009/8/29 Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskar,

                      Yes,I am the same person...and I have joined this group as I have some original English translations of old classical texts like Saravali,Jataka Parijata etc...which I could surely take pleasure in e-mailing them to any of your members,who may be desirous to have them for reference work...

                       I have studied Traditional Astrology and even practised it for long years,but I switched over to K.P., after my great disappointment with the Traditional System...I had all but given up Astrology,but by a great stroke of Good Fortune,while I was at Bhopal,(1975-76),and our (Traditional) Astrologers' Association,of which I was a member,invited Prof. K.S.Krishnamurthy,to expound on his new theory of Stellar Astrology,called Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...I recall now,our local President had quite sceptically suggested KSK's name,with a secret objective of  " exposing it's hollowness " ...

                       But instead,it turned out that after the Lecture demonstration lasting 3 days...a majority of the members immediately became KSK's disciples...and paid Rs 40/- in advance for the 2 Volumes of his Books,Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...truly, his brilliant exposition of the Ruling Planets Theory ,with live examples,triggerred this off spontaneous response.... !

                       In those days,the supply of electricity,was very erratic and the lights would go off frequently...after two such happenings, the third time,he calculated on the black-board when the lights would come on again....and to the great surprise of everybody,they came on exactly at the very time he wrote down on the black-board in large letters...! That DID it... ! !

                       Wishing you the very best,

                       Yogesh Lajmi.

                                                       GOOD LUCK !

                      

 

 

 

bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish

Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56:06 PM Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

 

Dear Sirs,Are you the same Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji of KP Group whom I respect somuch. If yes, then I am pretty glad to see you over here.regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, " yogeshlajmi "

<yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Anita,> Isn't the 7th also a Marakasthana for certain Lagnas ?> How then do you interpret ? Do take the Badhaka/Maraka effect intoconsideration ?

> Kindly reconcile...> Yogesh Lajmi>> >> > Ya. Sometimes it is peace all the way and sometimes war. Adds spiceto life and makes life more interesting ...Without " family politics " ,

the various " pulls and pushes " life would BE DULL........ ..> > Regards,> > Anita>

>> >> > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 9:59 AM> >

> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Anita ji,> >> > I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer!> > Two individuals> > bound in DUALITY

> > Yet One and INDIVIsible> >> > The *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previouslylearnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.> > Having a Better or Badder half

24x7 would be a way of putting thisissue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and karmicthrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility!> >> > Hope that makes sense!

> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> >> > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Neelam ji,> > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " aresomething which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I

stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are milliondollar questions.> > Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . Youknow a man and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being

the " BETTER HALF " and the other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.> > No offense meant.> > Regards,> > Anita> >> >> > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Anita ji,

> >> > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and theother just grabs.. //> >> > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging andmarak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal

attraction at work?> >

Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?> > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friendscoming as Messiahs in our life?> >> > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !> >> > Just some random thoughts..... :-)> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> >

> > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Manoj ji,

> > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is acase of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen somany cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> > Regards,>

>> > Anita> >> > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >wrote:> >> >> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Anita Ji,> >

> > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also

affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail witheffects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. Youcan see that more planets in 7H, more probability that thesecombinations can happen.

> >> > Also

regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets awaywith any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.> >> > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no

amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid thoseincidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to beexperienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.> >> > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly

completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?> >> > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but aboutfacing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is

the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISEspiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?> >> > Regards,> > -Manoj> >> >

>

>> >> >> >> >> > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Manoj ji> > You are ever so helpful.

> > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many/ one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes,or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get

away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be theonly sufferer.> > Regards,> > Anita> >> > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:> >>

>> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> >> > I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to

" 7th bhava tenancy " .> >> > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OKmarriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " isrelative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance to

divorce.> >> > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony.Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we

read our

Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married lifeand had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddyis). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating

Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7thhouse. Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be thereason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) .

Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic andunafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.> >> > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> >> > Regards,> > -Manoj> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Anita R ash..rsh55 >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com> > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> >> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

horoscopes.> > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably beclean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have acousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

> > Regards,> > Anita> >> > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @.co. in> wrote:> >> > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > >Wednesday, 26 August,

2009, 3:33 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji> > >> > >Thanks for ur Post> > >> > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums ifeel> > >> > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way orother way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is

aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where thisstrntching can take us ?> > >> > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happenedin a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other

wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there isNo badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every onecan

escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business ormarriage or sickness> > >> > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in oneglance> > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> > >> > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who saysmars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgyais realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a

planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8thhouse here> > >> > >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " hasless problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a

good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may notexprnce widowhood too> > >> > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is

weak due tovarious factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for maritalaffairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .> > >> > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what theyrepresent in married Life )> > >> > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see onlypossible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was tellingmany times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exerciseand unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at

times how ever learned too )> > >> > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even ifthe same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna

andother vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birthtime the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts neednot hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a

5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case anativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so subperiods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrteffects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u

see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka (here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasais givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90

% of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than firstglance look of charts .> > >> > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart swork together like a

cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock ispointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .> > >> > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some chartsmay mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known

and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining everything as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events> > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -> > >

> > >so see dasa also to see its effects> > >> > >> > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on> > >> > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4

,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and evenrelationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of

the House .here the 4th houseof family happiness> > >> > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it wasrahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try

to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa ofPlanet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad> > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r inand it may b felt tru their dasa even

> > >> > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise alsosome weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also inmrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga

everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )> > >> > >So the event has happened in such a dasa> > >> > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also

happeneing ,if we hav

husband's chart then we can see in both charts ifthe period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i meanending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )> > >> > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa

dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life> > >> > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )-the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in

dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )> > >> > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon asstrting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and allmajor planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> > >> > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even thelagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt

mars andmangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it gota quality of swiftness and sudden action and results> > >> > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i

used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )> > >> > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets theketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its

12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some goodplanets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha lesseffectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )> > >

> > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both

has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) inaquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..> > >> > >so the dasa

was working like hands of a clock> > >> > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) andits 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivityof married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm

lagna )> > >> > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time> > >> > >> > >rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >ancient_indian_ astrology, DhananjayanBrahma <abhanaya@ .> wrote:> > >>> > >> Pranams,> > >>> > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> > >>> > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.> > >>> > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any

satisfactorydirect pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani DasaGuru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th housemood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

husband.Thus,> > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both arebathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is saidto be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placedat the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.> > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> > >>> > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in anotherforeign land,> > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha " visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4

months aheadits transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in itsPAV.> > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).> > >>> > >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> > >>> > >>> > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:> > >>> > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>

> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Dear Lerarned

Astrologers,> > >>> > >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August inUSA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant

he did not survive.> > >>> > >> Details of the female is as under> > >>> > >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979> > >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> > >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

> > >>> > >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition toask at the moment.> > >>> > >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in

Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets.I could not understand astrologically why

she lost her husband.> > >>> > >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moonand the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to PitruDosha?> > >>

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Dear shri Yogesh Lajmi Ji we welcome u to this grp .U r requested to read abt shri PS iyyer and shri subbha rao etc and accuracy of their predictions along with shri K P krishnamoorthi ji I am talking abt the figures who cud impress the english Knowing Indian crowd where as i find personaly a lot of Old astrologers in villages has ability to tell b4 hand so many things and only Hindrance they hav is they dont hav any chance to publicise their own predictions tru any media .I am very much comfortable with traditional astrology and i am confidently using in any kind of Prediction s which includes prashna ,jataka ,muhurtha ,vastu ,mundane to political predictions to even where i can dig well for water or water delination ( there is so many kind of usages for traditional astrology and hence has a sea of theorems and basics explanations and significations ,only a dedicated person can realy understand it and there is No short cut too . ) even the Kings of yore where appointing an astrologer after he cud able to satisfy the court in frnt of him whom also has some real practical knowledge of astrology ,the test includes even mushti prashna ,mean what i am concealing ,or what food i had eaten in last nite and what i may eat in this nite ,or which wife i was with last nite or which one i may b with today and tell abt her and even the dress she may wear today .I dont want to go a the multiplicity of its uses ,even at the strt of rain the king may ask till when we can expect the rain today ,even every yr the astrologer ( palace astrologer ) has to predict abt weather and possible quanity of rain /chance of famine etc and propserity and agriculture etc too so when i read ur view s ,i dont purticularly feel anything .May b some new generation who is unaware of this usages of traditional astrology may arouse some curiosity .But still i respect ur view or own opinion s.I am sure that shri krishna moorthi himself will say his sytem was an offshoot of existing vedic astrology /even nadi astrology .Thanks for being with us and pls guide us when ever u feel it is neccessary .keep posting ur views irrespectiv of what ever we may feel rgrds sunilo nair , Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar,> Yes,I am the same person...and I have joined this group as I have some original English translations of old classical texts like Saravali,Jataka Parijata etc...which I could surely take pleasure in e-mailing them to any of your members,who may be desirous to have them for reference work....> I have studied Traditional Astrology and even practised it for long years,but I switched over to K.P., after my great disappointment with the Traditional System...I had all but given up Astrology,but by a great stroke of Good Fortune,while I was at Bhopal,(1975-76),and our (Traditional) Astrologers' Association,of which I was a member,invited Prof. K.S.Krishnamurthy,to expound on his new theory of Stellar Astrology,called Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...I recall now,our local President had quite sceptically suggested KSK's name,with a secret objective of "exposing it's hollowness"...> But instead,it turned out that after the Lecture demonstration lasting 3 days...a majority of the members immediately became KSK's disciples...and paid Rs 40/- in advance for the 2 Volumes of his Books,Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...truly, his brilliant exposition of the Ruling Planets Theory ,with live examples,triggerred this off spontaneous response... !> In those days,the supply of electricity,was very erratic and the lights would go off frequently...after two such happenings, the third time,he calculated on the black-board when the lights would come on again...and to the great surprise of everybody,they came on exactly at the very time he wrote down on the black-board in large letters...!That DID it... ! !> Wishing you the very best,> Yogesh Lajmi.> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > ________________________________> bhaskar_jyotish bhaskar_jyotish > Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56:06 PM> Re: 7th Bhava tenancy> > > > Dear Sirs,> > Are you the same Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji of KP Group whom I respect so> much. If yes, then I am pretty glad to see you over here.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "yogeshlajmi"> <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Anita,> > Isn't the 7th also a Marakasthana for certain Lagnas ?> > How then do you interpret ? Do take the Badhaka/Maraka effect into> consideration ?> > Kindly reconcile...> > Yogesh Lajmi> >> > >> > > Ya. Sometimes it is peace all the way and sometimes war. Adds spice> to life and makes life more interesting ...Without "family politics",> the various "pulls and pushes" life would BE DULL........ ..> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 9:59 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > >> > > I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer!> > > Two individuals> > > bound in DUALITY> > > Yet One and INDIVIsible> > >> > > The *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously> learnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.> > > Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this> issue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and karmic> thrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility!> > >> > > Hope that makes sense!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your "musings" are> something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I> stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million> dollar questions.> > > Perhaps it is a question of "TWO OPPOSITES" making a "WHOLE". You> know a man and a woman are supposed to be "Halves" , one being the> "BETTER HALF" and the other "BADDER HALF" perhaps.> > > No offense meant.> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > >> > >> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > >> > > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the> other just grabs.. //> > >> > > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and> marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal> attraction at work?> > > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?> > > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends> coming as Messiahs in our life?> > >> > > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?> > > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !> > >> > > Just some random thoughts.... :-)> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a> case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so> many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..> > > Regards,> > >> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Anita Ji,> > >> > > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also> affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with> effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You> can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these> combinations can happen.> > >> > > Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away> with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.> > >> > > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no> amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those> incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be> experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.> > >> > > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly> completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?> > >> > > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about> facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is> the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE> spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?> > >> > > Regards,> > > -Manoj> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj ji> > > You are ever so helpful.> > > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many> / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes,> or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get> away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the> only sufferer.> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita Ji,> > >> > > I took the liberty to change the subject from "untimely death" to> "7th bhava tenancy".> > >> > > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK> marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says "OK" is> relative and in most cases it is "OK" because of societal reluctance to> divorce.> > >> > > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,> Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony.> Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we> read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life> and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in> 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy> is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating> Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th> house. Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the> reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) .> Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and> unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.> > >> > > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.> > >> > > Regards,> > > -Manoj> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of> horoscopes.> > > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be> clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a> cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @> .co. in> wrote:> > >> > > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > > >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji> > > >> > > >Thanks for ur Post> > > >> > > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna> reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i> feel> > > >> > > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or> other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is> aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this> strntching can take us ?> > > >> > > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened> in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other> wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is> No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one> can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or> marriage or sickness> > > >> > > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one> glance> > > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .> > > >> > > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says> mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya> is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a> planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th> house here> > > >> > > >even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has> less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a> good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not> exprnce widowhood too> > > >> > > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to> various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital> affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .> > > >> > > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm> Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they> represent in married Life )> > > >> > > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only> possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart> matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling> many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise> and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at> times how ever learned too )> > > >> > > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if> the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and> other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth> time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need> not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a> 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a> nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub> periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt> effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected ..Then only if u> see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka (> here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa> is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90> % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first> glance look of charts .> > > >> > > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s> work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is> pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .> > > >> > > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts> may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known> and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every> thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events> > > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -> > > >> > > >so see dasa also to see its effects> > > >> > > >> > > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on> > > >> > > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4> ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even> relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way> ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house> of family happiness> > > >> > > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was> rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try> to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of> Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad> > > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in> and it may b felt tru their dasa even> > > >> > > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also> some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in> mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga> everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )> > > >> > > >So the event has happened in such a dasa> > > >> > > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also> happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if> the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean> ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )> > > >> > > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa> dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life> > > >> > > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )> -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in> dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )> > > >> > > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as> strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all> major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .> > > >> > > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the> lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and> mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got> a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results> > > >> > > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i> used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )> > > >> > > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the> ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its> 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good> planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less> effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )> > > >> > > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both> has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in> aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..> > > >> > > >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock> > > >> > > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and> its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity> of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm> lagna )> > > >> > > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time> > > >> > > >> > > >rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan> Brahma <abhanaya@ .> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Pranams,> > > >>> > > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,> > > >>> > > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.> > > >>> > > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory> direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa> Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house> mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her> husband.Thus,> > > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are> bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said> to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.> > > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed> at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.> > > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).> > > >>> > > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another> foreign land,> > > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha"> visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead> its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its> PAV.> > > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).> > > >>> > > >> Regards/Dhananjayan> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:> > > >>> > > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death> > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology> > > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,> > > >>> > > >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on> 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in> USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant> he did not survive.> > > >>> > > >> Details of the female is as under> > > >>> > > >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979> > > >> Place of Birth Mumbai> > > >> Time of Birth 11.45 am> > > >>> > > >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to> ask at the moment.> > > >>> > > >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in> Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till> 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets.> I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.> > > >>> > > >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon> and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru> Dosha?> > > >>> > > >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event> which has taken place.> > > >>> > > >> D. D. Trivedi> > > >>> > > >> See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. 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Dear Sunil ji,

 

//even the Kings of yore where appointing an astrologer after he cud able to

satisfy the court in frnt of him //

 

The above reminded me of Prince Siddhartha's naming ceremony.

 

//Suddhodana held a naming ceremony on the fifth day, and invited eight brahmin

scholars to read the future. All gave a dual prediction that the baby would

either become a great king or a great holy man. Kaundinya (Pali: Kondanna), the

youngest, and later to be the first arahant, was the only one who unequivocally

predicted that Siddhartha would become a Buddha.//

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " astro_tellerkerala "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Dear shri Yogesh Lajmi Ji

>

> we welcome u to this grp .

>

> U r requested to read abt shri PS iyyer and shri subbha rao etc and

> accuracy of their predictions along with shri K P krishnamoorthi ji

>

> I am talking abt the figures who cud impress the english Knowing Indian

> crowd where as i find personaly a lot of Old astrologers in villages has

> ability to tell b4 hand so many things and only Hindrance they hav is

> they dont hav any chance to publicise their own predictions tru any

> media .

>

> I am very much comfortable with traditional astrology and i am

> confidently using in any kind of Prediction s which includes prashna

> ,jataka ,muhurtha ,vastu ,mundane to political predictions to even where

> i can dig well for water or water delination ( there is so many kind of

> usages for traditional astrology and hence has a sea of theorems and

> basics explanations and significations ,only a dedicated person can

> realy understand it and there is No short cut too . )

>

> even the Kings of yore where appointing an astrologer after he cud able

> to satisfy the court in frnt of him whom also has some real practical

> knowledge of astrology ,the test includes even mushti prashna ,mean what

> i am concealing ,or what food i had eaten in last nite and what i may

> eat in this nite ,or which wife i was with last nite or which one i may

> b with today and tell abt her and even the dress she may wear today .I

> dont want to go a the multiplicity of its uses ,even at the strt of rain

> the king may ask till when we can expect the rain today ,even every yr

> the astrologer ( palace astrologer ) has to predict abt weather and

> possible quanity of rain /chance of famine etc and propserity and

> agriculture etc too

>

> so when i read ur view s ,i dont purticularly feel anything .May b some

> new generation who is unaware of this usages of traditional astrology

> may arouse some curiosity .

>

> But still i respect ur view or own opinion s.

>

> I am sure that shri krishna moorthi himself will say his sytem was an

> offshoot of existing vedic astrology /even nadi astrology .

>

> Thanks for being with us and pls guide us when ever u feel it is

> neccessary .

>

> keep posting ur views irrespectiv of what ever we may feel

>

> rgrds sunilo nair

>

>

> , Yogesh Lajmi

> <yogeshlajmi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> > Yes,I am the same person...and I have joined

> this group as I have some original English translations of old classical

> texts like Saravali,Jataka Parijata etc...which I could surely take

> pleasure in e-mailing them to any of your members,who may be desirous to

> have them for reference work....

> > I have studied Traditional Astrology and even

> practised it for long years,but I switched over to K.P., after my great

> disappointment with the Traditional System...I had all but given up

> Astrology,but by a great stroke of Good Fortune,while I was at

> Bhopal,(1975-76),and our (Traditional) Astrologers' Association,of which

> I was a member,invited Prof. K.S.Krishnamurthy,to expound on his new

> theory of Stellar Astrology,called Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...I recall

> now,our local President had quite sceptically suggested KSK's name,with

> a secret objective of " exposing it's hollowness " ...

> > But instead,it turned out that after the

> Lecture demonstration lasting 3 days...a majority of the members

> immediately became KSK's disciples...and paid Rs 40/- in advance for the

> 2 Volumes of his Books,Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...truly, his brilliant

> exposition of the Ruling Planets Theory ,with live examples,triggerred

> this off spontaneous response... !

> > In those days,the supply of electricity,was

> very erratic and the lights would go off frequently...after two such

> happenings, the third time,he calculated on the black-board when the

> lights would come on again...and to the great surprise of everybody,they

> came on exactly at the very time he wrote down on the black-board in

> large letters...!That DID it... ! !

> > Wishing you the very best,

> > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > bhaskar_jyotish bhaskar_jyotish@

> >

> > Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56:06 PM

> > Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> >

> > Are you the same Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji of KP Group whom I respect so

> > much. If yes, then I am pretty glad to see you over here.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " yogeshlajmi "

> > <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Anita,

> > > Isn't the 7th also a Marakasthana for certain Lagnas ?

> > > How then do you interpret ? Do take the Badhaka/Maraka effect into

> > consideration ?

> > > Kindly reconcile...

> > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ya. Sometimes it is peace all the way and sometimes war. Adds

> spice

> > to life and makes life more interesting ...Without " family politics " ,

> > the various " pulls and pushes " life would BE DULL........ ..

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 9:59 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > >

> > > > I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer!

> > > > Two individuals

> > > > bound in DUALITY

> > > > Yet One and INDIVIsible

> > > >

> > > > The *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously

> > learnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.

> > > > Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this

> > issue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and

> karmic

> > thrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility!

> > > >

> > > > Hope that makes sense!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " are

> > something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I

> > stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million

> > dollar questions.

> > > > Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . You

> > know a man and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being the

> > " BETTER HALF " and the other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.

> > > > No offense meant.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > > >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > >

> > > > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the

> > other just grabs.. //

> > > >

> > > > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and

> > marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal

> > attraction at work?

> > > > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> > > > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends

> > coming as Messiahs in our life?

> > > >

> > > > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> > > > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !

> > > >

> > > > Just some random thoughts.... :-)

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a

> > case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so

> > many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Anita Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also

> > affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with

> > effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause.

> You

> > can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these

> > combinations can happen.

> > > >

> > > > Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away

> > with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

> > > >

> > > > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no

> > amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those

> > incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be

> > experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

> > > >

> > > > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly

> > completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

> > > >

> > > > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about

> > facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is

> > the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE

> > spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji

> > > > You are ever so helpful.

> > > > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has

> many

> > / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it

> denotes,

> > or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may

> get

> > away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be

> the

> > only sufferer.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anita Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to

> > " 7th bhava tenancy " .

> > > >

> > > > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with

> OK

> > marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

> > relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance

> to

> > divorce.

> > > >

> > > > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,

> > Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital

> harmony.

> > Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if

> we

> > read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married

> life

> > and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good

> in

> > 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy

> > is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence

> creating

> > Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th

> > house. Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the

> > reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) .

> > Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and

> > unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in

> Marriage.

> > > >

> > > > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

> > horoscopes.

> > > > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be

> > clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have

> a

> > cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be

> OK.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @

> > .co. in> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks for ur Post

> > > > >

> > > > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in

> Prashna

> > reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i

> > feel

> > > > >

> > > > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or

> > other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is

> > aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this

> > strntching can take us ?

> > > > >

> > > > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened

> > in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and

> other

> > wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there

> is

> > No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every

> one

> > can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business

> or

> > marriage or sickness

> > > > >

> > > > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in

> one

> > glance

> > > > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> > > > >

> > > > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who

> says

> > mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya

> > is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a

> > planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is

> 8th

> > house here

> > > > >

> > > > >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has

> > less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports

> a

> > good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not

> > exprnce widowhood too

> > > > >

> > > > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to

> > various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for

> marital

> > affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> > > > >

> > > > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along

> frm

> > Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they

> > represent in married Life )

> > > > >

> > > > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only

> > possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

> > matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was

> telling

> > many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise

> > and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at

> > times how ever learned too )

> > > > >

> > > > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if

> > the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and

> > other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth

> > time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts

> need

> > not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even

> a

> > 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a

> > nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub

> > periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt

> > effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected ..Then only if u

> > see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka

> (

> > here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa

> > is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast

> 90

> > % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first

> > glance look of charts .

> > > > >

> > > > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s

> > work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is

> > pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

> > > > >

> > > > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some

> charts

> > may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known

> > and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every

> > thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> > > > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > >

> > > > >so see dasa also to see its effects

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

> > > > >

> > > > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House

> b4

> > ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

> > relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way

> > ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th

> house

> > of family happiness

> > > > >

> > > > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was

> > rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may

> try

> > to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of

> > Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad

> > > > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in

> > and it may b felt tru their dasa even

> > > > >

> > > > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise

> also

> > some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in

> > mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga

> > everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )

> > > > >

> > > > >So the event has happened in such a dasa

> > > > >

> > > > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also

> > happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts

> if

> > the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i

> mean

> > ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )

> > > > >

> > > > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa

> > dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life

> > > > >

> > > > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too

> )

> > -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in

> > dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )

> > > > >

> > > > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as

> > strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all

> > major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> > > > >

> > > > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the

> > lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars

> and

> > mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it

> got

> > a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results

> > > > >

> > > > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i

> > used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

> > > > >

> > > > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets

> the

> > ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its

> > 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some

> good

> > planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less

> > effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )

> > > > >

> > > > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both

> > has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

> > aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

> > > > >

> > > > >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

> > > > >

> > > > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and

> > its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in

> Longitivity

> > of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm

> > lagna )

> > > > >

> > > > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan

> > Brahma <abhanaya@ .> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Pranams,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory

> > direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa

> > Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house

> > mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

> > husband.Thus,

> > > > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are

> > bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is

> said

> > to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> > > > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka

> Soorya,placed

> > at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the

> native.

> > > > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another

> > foreign land,

> > > > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka

> dosha "

> > visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months

> ahead

> > its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in

> its

> > PAV.

> > > > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .

> > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

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> > > > >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband

> on

> > 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August

> in

> > USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical

> Treatmeant

> > he did not survive.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Details of the female is as under

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> > > > >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> > > > >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition

> to

> > ask at the moment.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in

> > Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till

> > 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit

> planets.

> > I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from

> Moon

> > and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru

> > Dosha?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the

> event

> > which has taken place.

> > > > >>

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Dear renu ji Sure ,This prediction was a hall mark prediction which is recorded in history and all budhist texts and No one has any doubt abt the historisity of Budha who was real sidha artha who attained all purushartha s ( dharma ,artha ,kama <moksha ) ,thanks for reminding abt it There is also various famous predictions named after Various astrologers is there and all we cannot bring down here in this forum for want of space and i hav Limited time .Even the Birth of kerala King ,shri swathi thirunal is one of the predictions of palace astrologer ,and the prediction was well recved by british queen (britishers waited till the baby born and this baby has crowned while queen mother was pregnant upon the advice of palace astrologer ) when they introduced a new law against adopting kids by indian Royal families who ever dont hav successers ,and such Kingdom s will b automaticaly dissolv with british india and rani laxmi Bhai of Jhansi has fought against such draconian laws as she has an adopted son after the death her beloved husband .This is a famous story and even one in india Knows .The end of Tipu sultan was another Mile stone prediction frm another kerala astrologer shri Machattu Elayathu who Boldly told to Tippu sultan frm today onwards u can see ur decline .Even the Muslim rulers of india has palace astrologers including babar I remebr here where another Old gentle man was arguing against vedic astrology as if Import frm Greeks and we hav Budhist texts which proovs the antiquity of predictiv astrology which according to any records is much older than any So called alexandrian invasion to India ( now it is challenged By historian too ) Thanking u for giving me a beautiful exmaple frm golden era of India and its spirituality rgrds sunil nair , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > //even the Kings of yore where appointing an astrologer after he cud able to satisfy the court in frnt of him //> > The above reminded me of Prince Siddhartha's naming ceremony.> > //Suddhodana held a naming ceremony on the fifth day, and invited eight brahmin scholars to read the future. All gave a dual prediction that the baby would either become a great king or a great holy man. Kaundinya (Pali: Kondanna), the youngest, and later to be the first arahant, was the only one who unequivocally predicted that Siddhartha would become a Buddha.//> > blessings,> > Renu> > > > > > > > , "astro_tellerkerala" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear shri Yogesh Lajmi Ji> > > > we welcome u to this grp .> > > > U r requested to read abt shri PS iyyer and shri subbha rao etc and> > accuracy of their predictions along with shri K P krishnamoorthi ji> > > > I am talking abt the figures who cud impress the english Knowing Indian> > crowd where as i find personaly a lot of Old astrologers in villages has> > ability to tell b4 hand so many things and only Hindrance they hav is> > they dont hav any chance to publicise their own predictions tru any> > media .> > > > I am very much comfortable with traditional astrology and i am> > confidently using in any kind of Prediction s which includes prashna> > ,jataka ,muhurtha ,vastu ,mundane to political predictions to even where> > i can dig well for water or water delination ( there is so many kind of> > usages for traditional astrology and hence has a sea of theorems and> > basics explanations and significations ,only a dedicated person can> > realy understand it and there is No short cut too . )> > > > even the Kings of yore where appointing an astrologer after he cud able> > to satisfy the court in frnt of him whom also has some real practical> > knowledge of astrology ,the test includes even mushti prashna ,mean what> > i am concealing ,or what food i had eaten in last nite and what i may> > eat in this nite ,or which wife i was with last nite or which one i may> > b with today and tell abt her and even the dress she may wear today .I> > dont want to go a the multiplicity of its uses ,even at the strt of rain> > the king may ask till when we can expect the rain today ,even every yr> > the astrologer ( palace astrologer ) has to predict abt weather and> > possible quanity of rain /chance of famine etc and propserity and> > agriculture etc too> > > > so when i read ur view s ,i dont purticularly feel anything .May b some> > new generation who is unaware of this usages of traditional astrology> > may arouse some curiosity .> > > > But still i respect ur view or own opinion s.> > > > I am sure that shri krishna moorthi himself will say his sytem was an> > offshoot of existing vedic astrology /even nadi astrology .> > > > Thanks for being with us and pls guide us when ever u feel it is> > neccessary .> > > > keep posting ur views irrespectiv of what ever we may feel> > > > rgrds sunilo nair> > > > > > , Yogesh Lajmi> > <yogeshlajmi@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar,> > > Yes,I am the same person...and I have joined> > this group as I have some original English translations of old classical> > texts like Saravali,Jataka Parijata etc...which I could surely take> > pleasure in e-mailing them to any of your members,who may be desirous to> > have them for reference work....> > > I have studied Traditional Astrology and even> > practised it for long years,but I switched over to K.P., after my great> > disappointment with the Traditional System...I had all but given up> > Astrology,but by a great stroke of Good Fortune,while I was at> > Bhopal,(1975-76),and our (Traditional) Astrologers' Association,of which> > I was a member,invited Prof. K.S.Krishnamurthy,to expound on his new> > theory of Stellar Astrology,called Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...I recall> > now,our local President had quite sceptically suggested KSK's name,with> > a secret objective of "exposing it's hollowness"...> > > But instead,it turned out that after the> > Lecture demonstration lasting 3 days...a majority of the members> > immediately became KSK's disciples...and paid Rs 40/- in advance for the> > 2 Volumes of his Books,Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...truly, his brilliant> > exposition of the Ruling Planets Theory ,with live examples,triggerred> > this off spontaneous response... !> > > In those days,the supply of electricity,was> > very erratic and the lights would go off frequently...after two such> > happenings, the third time,he calculated on the black-board when the> > lights would come on again...and to the great surprise of everybody,they> > came on exactly at the very time he wrote down on the black-board in> > large letters...!That DID it... ! !> > > Wishing you the very best,> > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > GOOD LUCK !> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > bhaskar_jyotish bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56:06 PM> > > Re: 7th Bhava tenancy> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sirs,> > >> > > Are you the same Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji of KP Group whom I respect so> > > much. If yes, then I am pretty glad to see you over here.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "yogeshlajmi"> > > <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Anita,> > > > Isn't the 7th also a Marakasthana for certain Lagnas ?> > > > How then do you interpret ? Do take the Badhaka/Maraka effect into> > > consideration ?> > > > Kindly reconcile...> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Ya. Sometimes it is peace all the way and sometimes war. Adds> > spice> > > to life and makes life more interesting ...Without "family politics",> > > the various "pulls and pushes" life would BE DULL........ ..> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 9:59 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > >> > > > > I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer!> > > > > Two individuals> > > > > bound in DUALITY> > > > > Yet One and INDIVIsible> > > > >> > > > > The *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously> > > learnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.> > > > > Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this> > > issue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and> > karmic> > > thrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility!> > > > >> > > > > Hope that makes sense!> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your "musings" are> > > something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I> > > stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million> > > dollar questions.> > > > > Perhaps it is a question of "TWO OPPOSITES" making a "WHOLE". You> > > know a man and a woman are supposed to be "Halves" , one being the> > > "BETTER HALF" and the other "BADDER HALF" perhaps.> > > > > No offense meant.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > > > >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > >> > > > > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the> > > other just grabs.. //> > > > >> > > > > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and> > > marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal> > > attraction at work?> > > > > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?> > > > > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends> > > coming as Messiahs in our life?> > > > >> > > > > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?> > > > > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !> > > > >> > > > > Just some random thoughts.... :-)> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a> > > case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so> > > many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Anita Ji,> > > > >> > > > > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also> > > affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with> > > effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause.> > You> > > can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these> > > combinations can happen.> > > > >> > > > > Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away> > > with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.> > > > >> > > > > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no> > > amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those> > > incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be> > > experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.> > > > >> > > > > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly> > > completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?> > > > >> > > > > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about> > > facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is> > > the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE> > > spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > -Manoj> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > You are ever so helpful.> > > > > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has> > many> > > / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it> > denotes,> > > or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may> > get> > > away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be> > the> > > only sufferer.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Anita Ji,> > > > >> > > > > I took the liberty to change the subject from "untimely death" to> > > "7th bhava tenancy".> > > > >> > > > > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with> > OK> > > marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says "OK" is> > > relative and in most cases it is "OK" because of societal reluctance> > to> > > divorce.> > > > >> > > > > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,> > > Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital> > harmony.> > > Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if> > we> > > read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married> > life> > > and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good> > in> > > 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy> > > is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence> > creating> > > Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th> > > house. Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the> > > reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) .> > > Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and> > > unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in> > Marriage.> > > > >> > > > > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > -Manoj> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of> > > horoscopes.> > > > > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be> > > clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have> > a> > > cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be> > OK.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @> > > .co. in> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>> > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji> > > > > >> > > > > >Thanks for ur Post> > > > > >> > > > > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in> > Prashna> > > reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i> > > feel> > > > > >> > > > > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or> > > other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is> > > aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this> > > strntching can take us ?> > > > > >> > > > > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened> > > in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and> > other> > > wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there> > is> > > No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every> > one> > > can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business> > or> > > marriage or sickness> > > > > >> > > > > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in> > one> > > glance> > > > > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .> > > > > >> > > > > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who> > says> > > mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya> > > is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a> > > planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is> > 8th> > > house here> > > > > >> > > > > >even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has> > > less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports> > a> > > good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not> > > exprnce widowhood too> > > > > >> > > > > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to> > > various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for> > marital> > > affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .> > > > > >> > > > > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along> > frm> > > Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they> > > represent in married Life )> > > > > >> > > > > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only> > > possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart> > > matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was> > telling> > > many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise> > > and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at> > > times how ever learned too )> > > > > >> > > > > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if> > > the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and> > > other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth> > > time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts> > need> > > not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even> > a> > > 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a> > > nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub> > > periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt> > > effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected ..Then only if u> > > see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka> > (> > > here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa> > > is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast> > 90> > > % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first> > > glance look of charts .> > > > > >> > > > > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s> > > work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is> > > pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .> > > > > >> > > > > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some> > charts> > > may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known> > > and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every> > > thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events> > > > > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > >> > > > > >so see dasa also to see its effects> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on> > > > > >> > > > > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House> > b4> > > ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even> > > relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way> > > ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th> > house> > > of family happiness> > > > > >> > > > > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was> > > rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may> > try> > > to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of> > > Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad> > > > > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in> > > and it may b felt tru their dasa even> > > > > >> > > > > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise> > also> > > some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in> > > mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga> > > everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )> > > > > >> > > > > >So the event has happened in such a dasa> > > > > >> > > > > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also> > > happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts> > if> > > the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i> > mean> > > ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )> > > > > >> > > > > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa> > > dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life> > > > > >> > > > > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too> > )> > > -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in> > > dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )> > > > > >> > > > > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as> > > strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all> > > major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .> > > > > >> > > > > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the> > > lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars> > and> > > mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it> > got> > > a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results> > > > > >> > > > > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i> > > used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )> > > > > >> > > > > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets> > the> > > ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its> > > 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some> > good> > > planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less> > > effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )> > > > > >> > > > > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both> > > has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in> > > aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..> > > > > >> > > > > >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock> > > > > >> > > > > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and> > > its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in> > Longitivity> > > of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm> > > lagna )> > > > > >> > > > > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan> > > Brahma <abhanaya@ .> wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Pranams,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory> > > direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa> > > Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house> > > mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her> > > husband.Thus,> > > > > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are> > > bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is> > said> > > to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.> > > > > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka> > Soorya,placed> > > at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the> > native.> > > > > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).> > > > > >>> > > > > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another> > > foreign land,> > > > > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka> > dosha"> > > visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months> > ahead> > > its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in> > its> > > PAV.> > > > > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Regards/Dhananjayan> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> > > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death> > > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband> > on> > > 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August> > in> > > USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. 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Dear Yogeshji,

 

Nice to see here in this forum, we have one more active KP astrologer other than

respected Bhaskerji.

 

We hope than more awareness of KP astrology will come to us from your good

selves.

 

Heartiest Welcome :)

 

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur

 

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>                       Yes,I am the same person...and I have joined this group

as I have some original English translations of old classical texts like

Saravali,Jataka Parijata etc...which I could surely take pleasure in e-mailing

them to any of your members,who may be desirous to have them for reference

work....

>                        I have studied Traditional Astrology and even practised

it for long years,but I switched over to K.P., after my great disappointment

with the Traditional System...I had all but given up Astrology,but by a great

stroke of Good Fortune,while I was at Bhopal,(1975-76),and our (Traditional)

Astrologers' Association,of which I was a member,invited Prof.

K.S.Krishnamurthy,to expound on his new theory of Stellar Astrology,called

Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...I recall now,our local President had quite sceptically

suggested KSK's name,with a secret objective of  " exposing it's hollowness " ...

>                        But instead,it turned out that after the Lecture

demonstration lasting 3 days...a majority of the members immediately became

KSK's disciples...and paid Rs 40/- in advance for the 2 Volumes of his

Books,Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...truly, his brilliant exposition of the Ruling

Planets Theory ,with live examples,triggerred this off spontaneous response... !

>                        In those days,the supply of electricity,was very

erratic and the lights would go off frequently...after two such happenings, the

third time,he calculated on the black-board when the lights would come on

again...and to the great surprise of everybody,they came on exactly at the very

time he wrote down on the black-board in large letters...!That DID it... ! !

>                        Wishing you the very best,

>                        Yogesh Lajmi.

>                                                        GOOD LUCK !

>                       

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56:06 PM

> Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

>

>  

>

> Dear Sirs,

>

> Are you the same Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji of KP Group whom I respect so

> much. If yes, then I am pretty glad to see you over here.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " yogeshlajmi "

> <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Anita,

> > Isn't the 7th also a Marakasthana for certain Lagnas ?

> > How then do you interpret ? Do take the Badhaka/Maraka effect into

> consideration ?

> > Kindly reconcile...

> > Yogesh Lajmi

> >

> > >

> > > Ya. Sometimes it is peace all the way and sometimes war. Adds spice

> to life and makes life more interesting ...Without " family politics " ,

> the various " pulls and pushes " life would BE DULL........ ..

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 9:59 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Anita ji,

> > >

> > > I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer!

> > > Two individuals

> > > bound in DUALITY

> > > Yet One and INDIVIsible

> > >

> > > The *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously

> learnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.

> > > Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this

> issue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and karmic

> thrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility!

> > >

> > > Hope that makes sense!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " are

> something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I

> stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million

> dollar questions.

> > > Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . You

> know a man and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being the

> " BETTER HALF " and the other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.

> > > No offense meant.

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Anita ji,

> > >

> > > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the

> other just grabs.. //

> > >

> > > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and

> marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal

> attraction at work?

> > > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> > > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends

> coming as Messiahs in our life?

> > >

> > > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> > > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !

> > >

> > > Just some random thoughts.... :-)

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a

> case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so

> many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Anita Ji,

> > >

> > > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also

> affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with

> effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You

> can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these

> combinations can happen.

> > >

> > > Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away

> with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

> > >

> > > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no

> amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those

> incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be

> experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

> > >

> > > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly

> completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

> > >

> > > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about

> facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is

> the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE

> spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji

> > > You are ever so helpful.

> > > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many

> / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes,

> or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get

> away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the

> only sufferer.

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Anita Ji,

> > >

> > > I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to

> " 7th bhava tenancy " .

> > >

> > > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK

> marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

> relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance to

> divorce.

> > >

> > > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,

> Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony.

> Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we

> read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life

> and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in

> 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy

> is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating

> Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th

> house. Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the

> reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) .

> Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and

> unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in Marriage.

> > >

> > > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

> horoscopes.

> > > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be

> clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a

> cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @

> .co. in> wrote:

> > >

> > > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> > > >

> > > >Thanks for ur Post

> > > >

> > > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

> reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i

> feel

> > > >

> > > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or

> other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is

> aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this

> strntching can take us ?

> > > >

> > > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened

> in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other

> wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is

> No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one

> can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or

> marriage or sickness

> > > >

> > > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one

> glance

> > > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> > > >

> > > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says

> mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya

> is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a

> planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th

> house here

> > > >

> > > >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has

> less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a

> good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not

> exprnce widowhood too

> > > >

> > > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to

> various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital

> affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> > > >

> > > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

> Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they

> represent in married Life )

> > > >

> > > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only

> possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

> matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling

> many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise

> and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at

> times how ever learned too )

> > > >

> > > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if

> the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and

> other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth

> time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need

> not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a

> 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a

> nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub

> periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt

> effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected ..Then only if u

> see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka (

> here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa

> is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90

> % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first

> glance look of charts .

> > > >

> > > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s

> work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is

> pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

> > > >

> > > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts

> may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known

> and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every

> thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> > > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

> > > >

> > > >so see dasa also to see its effects

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

> > > >

> > > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4

> ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

> relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way

> ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house

> of family happiness

> > > >

> > > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was

> rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try

> to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of

> Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad

> > > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in

> and it may b felt tru their dasa even

> > > >

> > > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also

> some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in

> mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga

> everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )

> > > >

> > > >So the event has happened in such a dasa

> > > >

> > > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also

> happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if

> the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean

> ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )

> > > >

> > > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa

> dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life

> > > >

> > > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )

> -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in

> dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )

> > > >

> > > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as

> strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all

> major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> > > >

> > > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the

> lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and

> mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got

> a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results

> > > >

> > > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i

> used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

> > > >

> > > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the

> ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its

> 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good

> planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less

> effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )

> > > >

> > > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both

> has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

> aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

> > > >

> > > >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

> > > >

> > > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and

> its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity

> of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm

> lagna )

> > > >

> > > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >rgrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan

> Brahma <abhanaya@ .> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Pranams,

> > > >>

> > > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> > > >>

> > > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> > > >>

> > > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory

> direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa

> Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house

> mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

> husband.Thus,

> > > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are

> bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said

> to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> > > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed

> at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

> > > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> > > >>

> > > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another

> foreign land,

> > > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha "

> visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead

> its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its

> PAV.

> > > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .

> > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

> > > >>

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> > > >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> > > >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> > > >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

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> I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

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Dear Anita ji,

 

I am sorry...I do not have the horoscope of Buddha.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

>

> DEar Renuji,

> If you have details of budha's horoscope could you please send it on to me? Or

if anyone else has it, please forward it to me.

> Thanks and regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Sun, 30/8/09, renunw <renunw wrote:

>

>

> renunw <renunw

> Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

>

> Sunday, 30 August, 2009, 2:22 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

>

> //even the Kings of yore where appointing an astrologer after he cud able to

satisfy the court in frnt of him //

>

> The above reminded me of Prince Siddhartha's naming ceremony.

>

> //Suddhodana held a naming ceremony on the fifth day, and invited eight

brahmin scholars to read the future. All gave a dual prediction that the baby

would either become a great king or a great holy man. Kaundinya (Pali:

Kondanna), the youngest, and later to be the first arahant, was the only one who

unequivocally predicted that Siddhartha would become a Buddha.//

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " astro_tellerkerala "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear shri Yogesh Lajmi Ji

> >

> > we welcome u to this grp .

> >

> > U r requested to read abt shri PS iyyer and shri subbha rao etc and

> > accuracy of their predictions along with shri K P krishnamoorthi ji

> >

> > I am talking abt the figures who cud impress the english Knowing Indian

> > crowd where as i find personaly a lot of Old astrologers in villages has

> > ability to tell b4 hand so many things and only Hindrance they hav is

> > they dont hav any chance to publicise their own predictions tru any

> > media .

> >

> > I am very much comfortable with traditional astrology and i am

> > confidently using in any kind of Prediction s which includes prashna

> > ,jataka ,muhurtha ,vastu ,mundane to political predictions to even where

> > i can dig well for water or water delination ( there is so many kind of

> > usages for traditional astrology and hence has a sea of theorems and

> > basics explanations and significations ,only a dedicated person can

> > realy understand it and there is No short cut too . )

> >

> > even the Kings of yore where appointing an astrologer after he cud able

> > to satisfy the court in frnt of him whom also has some real practical

> > knowledge of astrology ,the test includes even mushti prashna ,mean what

> > i am concealing ,or what food i had eaten in last nite and what i may

> > eat in this nite ,or which wife i was with last nite or which one i may

> > b with today and tell abt her and even the dress she may wear today .I

> > dont want to go a the multiplicity of its uses ,even at the strt of rain

> > the king may ask till when we can expect the rain today ,even every yr

> > the astrologer ( palace astrologer ) has to predict abt weather and

> > possible quanity of rain /chance of famine etc and propserity and

> > agriculture etc too

> >

> > so when i read ur view s ,i dont purticularly feel anything .May b some

> > new generation who is unaware of this usages of traditional astrology

> > may arouse some curiosity .

> >

> > But still i respect ur view or own opinion s.

> >

> > I am sure that shri krishna moorthi himself will say his sytem was an

> > offshoot of existing vedic astrology /even nadi astrology .

> >

> > Thanks for being with us and pls guide us when ever u feel it is

> > neccessary .

> >

> > keep posting ur views irrespectiv of what ever we may feel

> >

> > rgrds sunilo nair

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Yogesh Lajmi

> > <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > Yes,I am the same person...and I have joined

> > this group as I have some original English translations of old classical

> > texts like Saravali,Jataka Parijata etc...which I could surely take

> > pleasure in e-mailing them to any of your members,who may be desirous to

> > have them for reference work....

> > > I have studied Traditional Astrology and even

> > practised it for long years,but I switched over to K.P., after my great

> > disappointment with the Traditional System...I had all but given up

> > Astrology,but by a great stroke of Good Fortune,while I was at

> > Bhopal,(1975- 76),and our (Traditional) Astrologers' Association, of which

> > I was a member,invited Prof. K.S.Krishnamurthy, to expound on his new

> > theory of Stellar Astrology,called Krishnamurthi Padhdhati... I recall

> > now,our local President had quite sceptically suggested KSK's name,with

> > a secret objective of " exposing it's hollowness " . ..

> > > But instead,it turned out that after the

> > Lecture demonstration lasting 3 days...a majority of the members

> > immediately became KSK's disciples... and paid Rs 40/- in advance for the

> > 2 Volumes of his Books,Krishnamurthi Padhdhati... truly, his brilliant

> > exposition of the Ruling Planets Theory ,with live examples,triggerred

> > this off spontaneous response... !

> > > In those days,the supply of electricity, was

> > very erratic and the lights would go off frequently.. .after two such

> > happenings, the third time,he calculated on the black-board when the

> > lights would come on again...and to the great surprise of everybody,they

> > came on exactly at the very time he wrote down on the black-board in

> > large letters...!That DID it... ! !

> > > Wishing you the very best,

> > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > GOOD LUCK !

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > bhaskar_jyotish bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56:06 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > >

> > > Are you the same Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji of KP Group whom I respect so

> > > much. If yes, then I am pretty glad to see you over here.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " yogeshlajmi "

> > > <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anita,

> > > > Isn't the 7th also a Marakasthana for certain Lagnas ?

> > > > How then do you interpret ? Do take the Badhaka/Maraka effect into

> > > consideration ?

> > > > Kindly reconcile...

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ya. Sometimes it is peace all the way and sometimes war. Adds

> > spice

> > > to life and makes life more interesting ...Without " family politics " ,

> > > the various " pulls and pushes " life would BE DULL........ ..

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 9:59 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the word INDIVIDUALITY holds the answer!

> > > > > Two individuals

> > > > > bound in DUALITY

> > > > > Yet One and INDIVIsible

> > > > >

> > > > > The *individual* has to be dissolved by applying the previously

> > > learnt lessons to overcome Avidya, Ahamkara and Abhimana.

> > > > > Having a Better or Badder half 24x7 would be a way of putting this

> > > issue on a fast tract. What say? Depending upon the pravritti and

> > karmic

> > > thrusts of individuals, one does it peacefully or with hostility!

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that makes sense!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > > > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " are

> > > something which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I

> > > stepped into the world of astrology. I can only say they are million

> > > dollar questions.

> > > > > Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . You

> > > know a man and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being the

> > > " BETTER HALF " and the other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.

> > > > > No offense meant.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the

> > > other just grabs.. //

> > > > >

> > > > > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and

> > > marak opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal

> > > attraction at work?

> > > > > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> > > > > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends

> > > coming as Messiahs in our life?

> > > > >

> > > > > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> > > > > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !

> > > > >

> > > > > Just some random thoughts.... :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/8/28 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > > I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a

> > > case of bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so

> > > many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Anita Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also

> > > affect another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with

> > > effects of 8L in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause.

> > You

> > > can see that more planets in 7H, more probability that these

> > > combinations can happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away

> > > with any thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

> > > > >

> > > > > I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no

> > > amount of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those

> > > incidents. What the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be

> > > experienced. One can only HOPE to minimize the pain.

> > > > >

> > > > > So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly

> > > completely innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

> > > > >

> > > > > So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about

> > > facing the situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is

> > > the person's destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE

> > > spiritually, what can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > -Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Manoj ji

> > > > > You are ever so helpful.

> > > > > Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has

> > many

> > > / one planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it

> > denotes,

> > > or it is a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may

> > get

> > > away with a lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be

> > the

> > > only sufferer.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Anita Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to

> > > " 7th bhava tenancy " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with

> > OK

> > > marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

> > > relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance

> > to

> > > divorce.

> > > > >

> > > > > On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars,

> > > Rahu, Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital

> > harmony.

> > > Sun is infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if

> > we

> > > read our Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married

> > life

> > > and had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good

> > in

> > > 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy

> > > is). Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence

> > creating

> > > Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th

> > > house. Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the

> > > reason for Karko Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) .

> > > Jupiter in the 7H can be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and

> > > unafflicted and strong. If not children will cause problems in

> > Marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > -Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

> > > horoscopes.

> > > > > I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be

> > > clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have

> > a

> > > cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be

> > OK.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @

> > > .co. in> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Thanks for ur Post

> > > > > >

> > > > > >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in

> > Prashna

> > > reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i

> > > feel

> > > > > >

> > > > > >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or

> > > other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is

> > > aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this

> > > strntching can take us ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened

> > > in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and

> > other

> > > wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there

> > is

> > > No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every

> > one

> > > can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business

> > or

> > > marriage or sickness

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in

> > one

> > > glance

> > > > > >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who

> > says

> > > mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya

> > > is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a

> > > planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is

> > 8th

> > > house here

> > > > > >

> > > > > >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has

> > > less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports

> > a

> > > good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not

> > > exprnce widowhood too

> > > > > >

> > > > > >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to

> > > various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for

> > marital

> > > affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> > > > > >

> > > > > >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along

> > frm

> > > Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they

> > > represent in married Life )

> > > > > >

> > > > > >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only

> > > possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart

> > > matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was

> > telling

> > > many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise

> > > and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at

> > > times how ever learned too )

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if

> > > the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and

> > > other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth

> > > time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts

> > need

> > > not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even

> > a

> > > 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a

> > > nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub

> > > periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt

> > > effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected ..Then only if u

> > > see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka

> > (

> > > here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa

> > > is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast

> > 90

> > > % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first

> > > glance look of charts .

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s

> > > work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is

> > > pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

> > > > > >

> > > > > >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some

> > charts

> > > may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known

> > > and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every

> > > thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> > > > > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > >

> > > > > >so see dasa also to see its effects

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

> > > > > >

> > > > > >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House

> > b4

> > > ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

> > > relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way

> > > ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th

> > house

> > > of family happiness

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was

> > > rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may

> > try

> > > to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of

> > > Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad

> > > > > >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in

> > > and it may b felt tru their dasa even

> > > > > >

> > > > > >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise

> > also

> > > some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in

> > > mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga

> > > everytime now and i dont know by heart the table )

> > > > > >

> > > > > >So the event has happened in such a dasa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also

> > > happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts

> > if

> > > the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i

> > mean

> > > ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa )

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa

> > > dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life

> > > > > >

> > > > > >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too

> > )

> > > -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in

> > > dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya )

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as

> > > strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all

> > > major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> > > > > >

> > > > > >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the

> > > lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars

> > and

> > > mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it

> > got

> > > a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results

> > > > > >

> > > > > >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i

> > > used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

> > > > > >

> > > > > >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets

> > the

> > > ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its

> > > 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some

> > good

> > > planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less

> > > effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )

> > > > > >

> > > > > >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both

> > > has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

> > > aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

> > > > > >

> > > > > >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and

> > > its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in

> > Longitivity

> > > of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm

> > > lagna )

> > > > > >

> > > > > >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan

> > > Brahma <abhanaya@ .> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Pranams,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory

> > > direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa

> > > Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house

> > > mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

> > > husband.Thus,

> > > > > >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are

> > > bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is

> > said

> > > to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> > > > > >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka

> > Soorya,placed

> > > at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the

> > native.

> > > > > >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another

> > > foreign land,

> > > > > >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka

> > dosha "

> > > visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months

> > ahead

> > > its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in

> > its

> > > PAV.

> > > > > >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .

> > > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> > > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

> > > > > >>

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> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband

> > on

> > > 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August

> > in

> > > USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical

> > Treatmeant

> > > he did not survive.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Details of the female is as under

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> > > > > >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> > > > > >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition

> > to

> > > ask at the moment.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in

> > > Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till

> > > 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit

> > planets.

> > > I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from

> > Moon

> > > and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru

> > > Dosha?

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the

> > event

> > > which has taken place.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> D. D. Trivedi

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