Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear kanishk ji, The 8th lord getting placed in lagna is not good for longevity it is said, it can give many health problems as well. Let us see what the classics has to say - 1) As per Meenaraja hora- Ashtamape lagnagate bahuvikhno deerkharogi mritastena Neshtranuvadanirato lakshmim labhate nripati vachasa (Meenaraja hora)[if 8th lord is placed in lagna then, the native will have numerous obstacles in life. He will have a long lasting disease and later will die due to that disease itself. He may take interest in things that may not be beneficial to him; with the word of king (by government order) he will get much wealth (may be due to some favorable court case or government order)] King/Govt. is 10th house. King's Order is 3rd house (3rd house from 10th is lagna). 11th from 10th (i.e. 8th house) indicate gain and hearing of that order. May be that is why the derivation, if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will get much wealth due to a favorable government order. Un-afflicted 8th lord in lagna may not cause longevity problems, since the connection of house of longevity with lagna only indicate good longivity and not otherwise. But when even slightly afflicted 8th lord in lagna can inflict death for native, and cause longevity problems; since if 8th lord in lagna is afflicted then the affliction is doubly strong since it affects both lagna as well as 8th house - houses of longevity. The observation that if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will have a long lasting disease and that he will ultimately die with that disease itself is interesting. I request you to share such example charts if available. 2) As per Parasara - Ashtamese tu tanuge sura-bhoosura nindakaH Hatadehasukho nityam jatakaH syad vrananvitaH (Parasara Hora)[if 8th lord is in lagna then, the native will condemn both gods and kings (powerful ones both on sky and earth). He will not have bodily happiness (his health will not be ok) always and will have wounds in body] 6th house indicate fresh wounds, where as 8th house indicate old wounds that are not getting cured. Thus 8th lord in langa can indicate permanent wounds, troubles, pains, diseases related to the body that disturbs the native for long. (But don't forget that such results will materialize and would be readily visible only in the dasa of 8th lord). Those who suffer usually curse themselves and the divine - so would be the case with this native as well, he will condemn everyone - deities as well as authorities. Note: Evaluate it based on real experience and discuss these results more. Love and regards,Sreenadh , kanishk <kanishk.chakravarty wrote:>> Sir, what is the effect of the lord of the 8th house in the first house.> > regards,> kanishk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Sreenadji, 3rd from 10th is 12th house. 8th is 11th from 10th is more the reason for the King's order benefiting him. Or may be due to hard work he is chosen to inherit something ???Just thinking aloud... Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 5/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna Date: Wednesday, 5 August, 2009, 1:07 PM Dear kanishk ji, The 8th lord getting placed in lagna is not good for longevity it is said, it can give many health problems as well. Let us see what the classics has to say - 1) As per Meenaraja hora- Ashtamape lagnagate bahuvikhno deerkharogi mritastena Neshtranuvadanirato lakshmim labhate nripati vachasa (Meenaraja hora)[if 8th lord is placed in lagna then, the native will have numerous obstacles in life. He will have a long lasting disease and later will die due to that disease itself. He may take interest in things that may not be beneficial to him; with the word of king (by government order) he will get much wealth (may be due to some favorable court case or government order)] King/Govt. is 10th house. King's Order is 3rd house (3rd house from 10th is lagna). 11th from 10th (i.e. 8th house) indicate gain and hearing of that order. May be that is why the derivation, if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will get much wealth due to a favorable government order. Un-afflicted 8th lord in lagna may not cause longevity problems, since the connection of house of longevity with lagna only indicate good longivity and not otherwise. But when even slightly afflicted 8th lord in lagna can inflict death for native, and cause longevity problems; since if 8th lord in lagna is afflicted then the affliction is doubly strong since it affects both lagna as well as 8th house - houses of longevity. The observation that if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will have a long lasting disease and that he will ultimately die with that disease itself is interesting. I request you to share such example charts if available. 2) As per Parasara - Ashtamese tu tanuge sura-bhoosura nindakaH Hatadehasukho nityam jatakaH syad vrananvitaH (Parasara Hora)[if 8th lord is in lagna then, the native will condemn both gods and kings (powerful ones both on sky and earth). He will not have bodily happiness (his health will not be ok) always and will have wounds in body] 6th house indicate fresh wounds, where as 8th house indicate old wounds that are not getting cured. Thus 8th lord in langa can indicate permanent wounds, troubles, pains, diseases related to the body that disturbs the native for long. (But don't forget that such results will materialize and would be readily visible only in the dasa of 8th lord). Those who suffer usually curse themselves and the divine - so would be the case with this native as well, he will condemn everyone - deities as well as authorities. Note: Evaluate it based on real experience and discuss these results more. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, kanishk <kanishk.chakravarty wrote:>> Sir, what is the effect of the lord of the 8th house in the first house.> > regards,> kanishk. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Sreenadhji, Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong. with regards, S.R.Balasubramaniam --- On Wed, 5/8/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv Re: Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna Wednesday, 5 August, 2009, 2:34 PM Dear Sreenadji, 3rd from 10th is 12th house. 8th is 11th from 10th is more the reason for the King's order benefiting him. Or may be due to hard work he is chosen to inherit something ??? Just thinking aloud... Chiranjiv Mehta --- On Wed, 5/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, 5 August, 2009, 1:07 PM Dear kanishk ji, The 8th lord getting placed in lagna is not good for longevity it is said, it can give many health problems as well. Let us see what the classics has to say - 1) As per Meenaraja hora- Ashtamape lagnagate bahuvikhno deerkharogi mritastena Neshtranuvadanirato lakshmim labhate nripati vachasa (Meenaraja hora) [if 8th lord is placed in lagna then, the native will have numerous obstacles in life. He will have a long lasting disease and later will die due to that disease itself. He may take interest in things that may not be beneficial to him; with the word of king (by government order) he will get much wealth (may be due to some favorable court case or government order)] King/Govt. is 10th house. King's Order is 3rd house (3rd house from 10th is lagna). 11th from 10th (i.e. 8th house) indicate gain and hearing of that order. May be that is why the derivation, if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will get much wealth due to a favorable government order. Un-afflicted 8th lord in lagna may not cause longevity problems, since the connection of house of longevity with lagna only indicate good longivity and not otherwise. But when even slightly afflicted 8th lord in lagna can inflict death for native, and cause longevity problems; since if 8th lord in lagna is afflicted then the affliction is doubly strong since it affects both lagna as well as 8th house - houses of longevity. The observation that if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will have a long lasting disease and that he will ultimately die with that disease itself is interesting. I request you to share such example charts if available. 2) As per Parasara - Ashtamese tu tanuge sura-bhoosura nindakaH Hatadehasukho nityam jatakaH syad vrananvitaH (Parasara Hora) [if 8th lord is in lagna then, the native will condemn both gods and kings (powerful ones both on sky and earth). He will not have bodily happiness (his health will not be ok) always and will have wounds in body] 6th house indicate fresh wounds, where as 8th house indicate old wounds that are not getting cured. Thus 8th lord in langa can indicate permanent wounds, troubles, pains, diseases related to the body that disturbs the native for long. (But don't forget that such results will materialize and would be readily visible only in the dasa of 8th lord). Those who suffer usually curse themselves and the divine - so would be the case with this native as well, he will condemn everyone - deities as well as authorities. Note: Evaluate it based on real experience and discuss these results more. Love and regards, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, kanishk <kanishk.chakravarty wrote: > > Sir, what is the effect of the lord of the 8th house in the first house. > > regards, > kanishk. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Chiranjiv ji, //> 3rd from 10th is 12th house.// You are right - sorry for the typo. I was just searching for a logic to understand why such a result would have been told. Love and regards, Sreenadh , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: > > Dear Sreenadji, > > 3rd from 10th is 12th house. > 8th is 11th from 10th is more the reason for the King's order benefiting him. Or may be due to hard work he is chosen to inherit something ??? > Just thinking aloud... > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Wed, 5/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > Wednesday, 5 August, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > Dear kanishk ji, > The 8th lord getting placed in lagna is not good for longevity it is said, it can give many health problems as well. Let us see what the classics has to say - > 1) As per Meenaraja hora- > Ashtamape lagnagate bahuvikhno deerkharogi mritastena > Neshtranuvadanirato lakshmim labhate nripati vachasa > (Meenaraja hora) > [if 8th lord is placed in lagna then, the native will have numerous obstacles in life. He will have a long lasting disease and later will die due to that disease itself. He may take interest in things that may not be beneficial to him; with the word of king (by government order) he will get much wealth (may be due to some favorable court case or government order)] > King/Govt. is 10th house. King's Order is 3rd house (3rd house from 10th is lagna). 11th from 10th (i.e. 8th house) indicate gain and hearing of that order. May be that is why the derivation, if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will get much wealth due to a favorable government order. > Un-afflicted 8th lord in lagna may not cause longevity problems, since the connection of house of longevity with lagna only indicate good longivity and not otherwise. But when even slightly afflicted 8th lord in lagna can inflict death for native, and cause longevity problems; since if 8th lord in lagna is afflicted then the affliction is doubly strong since it affects both lagna as well as 8th house - houses of longevity. > The observation that if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will have a long lasting disease and that he will ultimately die with that disease itself is interesting. I request you to share such example charts if available. > 2) As per Parasara - > Ashtamese tu tanuge sura-bhoosura nindakaH > Hatadehasukho nityam jatakaH syad vrananvitaH > (Parasara Hora) > [if 8th lord is in lagna then, the native will condemn both gods and kings (powerful ones both on sky and earth). He will not have bodily happiness (his health will not be ok) always and will have wounds in body] > 6th house indicate fresh wounds, where as 8th house indicate old wounds that are not getting cured. Thus 8th lord in langa can indicate permanent wounds, troubles, pains, diseases related to the body that disturbs the native for long. (But don't forget that such results will materialize and would be readily visible only in the dasa of 8th lord). Those who suffer usually curse themselves and the divine - so would be the case with this native as well, he will condemn everyone - deities as well as authorities. > Note: Evaluate it based on real experience and discuss these results more. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, kanishk <kanishk.chakravarty wrote: > > > > Sir, what is the effect of the lord of the 8th house in the first house. > > > > regards, > > kanishk. > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Balasubramaniam ji Lagna Lord is Lagna Lord and so long as it is in lagna without any other influence the negetivity attached to 8th Lordship wont b there generaly ,sure we hav to see other influence like transits and dasa s( i mean antara and pratyantara in maha dasa of Lagna lord ) when if any mishapps happening ( also see which lagna is more stronger ( moon sign or lagna ) in later part of life after 30/32 yrs .other wise it is Knows as one of the pnacha Maha purusha raja yoga too depending on the planets,their strnght in chart it will bestow that kind of results too esp in dasa s . rgrds sunil nair , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > with regards,> S.R.Balasubramaniam> > --- On Wed, 5/8/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv wrote:> > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv Re: Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > Wednesday, 5 August, 2009, 2:34 PM> > Dear Sreenadji,> > 3rd from 10th is 12th house.> 8th is 11th from 10th is more the reason for the King's order benefiting him. Or may be due to hard work he is chosen to inherit something ???> Just thinking aloud...> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Wed, 5/8/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote:> > > Sreenadh sreesog >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 5 August, 2009, 1:07 PM> > > > > Dear kanishk ji,> The 8th lord getting placed in lagna is not good for longevity it is said, it can give many health problems as well. Let us see what the classics has to say -> 1) As per Meenaraja hora-> Ashtamape lagnagate bahuvikhno deerkharogi mritastena> Neshtranuvadanirato lakshmim labhate nripati vachasa> (Meenaraja hora)> [if 8th lord is placed in lagna then, the native will have numerous obstacles in life. He will have a long lasting disease and later will die due to that disease itself. He may take interest in things that may not be beneficial to him;> with the word of king (by government order) he will get much wealth (may be due to some favorable court case or government order)]> King/Govt. is 10th house. King's Order is 3rd house (3rd house from 10th is lagna). 11th from 10th (i.e. 8th house) indicate gain and hearing of that order. May be that is why the derivation, if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will get much wealth due to a favorable government order.> Un-afflicted 8th lord in lagna may not cause longevity problems, since the connection of house of longevity with lagna only indicate good longivity and not otherwise. But when even slightly afflicted 8th lord in lagna can inflict death for native, and cause longevity problems; since if 8th lord in lagna is afflicted then the affliction is doubly strong since it affects both lagna as well as 8th house - houses of longevity. > The observation that if 8th lord is in lagna then the> native will have a long lasting disease and that he will ultimately die with that disease itself is interesting. I request you to share such example charts if available.> 2) As per Parasara -> Ashtamese tu tanuge sura-bhoosura nindakaH> Hatadehasukho nityam jatakaH syad vrananvitaH> (Parasara Hora)> [if 8th lord is in lagna then, the native will condemn both gods and kings (powerful ones both on sky and earth). He will not have bodily happiness (his health will not be ok) always and will have wounds in body]> 6th house indicate fresh wounds, where as 8th house indicate old wounds that are not getting cured. Thus 8th lord in langa can indicate permanent wounds, troubles, pains, diseases related to the> body that disturbs the native for long. (But don't forget that such results will materialize and would be readily visible only in the dasa of 8th lord). Those who suffer usually curse themselves and the divine - so would be the case with this native as well, he will condemn everyone - deities as well as authorities. > Note: Evaluate it based on real experience and discuss these results more.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, kanishk <kanishk.chakravarty wrote:> >> > Sir, what is the effect of the lord of the 8th house in the first house.> >> > regards,> > kanishk.> > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Balasubramaniam ji, In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)". The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > with regards,> S.R.Balasubramaniam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Sreenadhji and all, here is one example for 8th lord in lagna. October 26, 1972 Time: 5:15:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " Kanya Lagna , mars is 8th lord in lagna with neech venus. This person is quite healthy and till now i donot see any long term disease. He was born in the dasa of mars, and i donot know that time condition, but recently mars antar has finished and he bagged some export orders from Internet marketing. Financially he is under debts, his father has huge properties that he can live without his own earning throughout his life. --------- i have noted : 8th lord in lagna, person moves to foreign lands or distance places for livelihood. ------------- Regards, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear kanishk ji, > The 8th lord getting placed in lagna is not good for longevity it is > said, it can give many health problems as well. Let us see what the > classics has to say - > 1) As per Meenaraja hora- > Ashtamape lagnagate bahuvikhno deerkharogi mritastena > Neshtranuvadanirato lakshmim labhate nripati vachasa > (Meenaraja hora) > [if 8th lord is placed in lagna then, the native will have numerous > obstacles in life. He will have a long lasting disease and later will > die due to that disease itself. He may take interest in things that may > not be beneficial to him; with the word of king (by government order) he > will get much wealth (may be due to some favorable court case or > government order)] > King/Govt. is 10th house. King's Order is 3rd house (3rd house from > 10th is lagna). 11th from 10th (i.e. 8th house) indicate gain and > hearing of that order. May be that is why the derivation, if 8th lord is > in lagna then the native will get much wealth due to a favorable > government order. > Un-afflicted 8th lord in lagna may not cause longevity problems, > since the connection of house of longevity with lagna only indicate good > longivity and not otherwise. But when even slightly afflicted 8th lord > in lagna can inflict death for native, and cause longevity problems; > since if 8th lord in lagna is afflicted then the affliction is doubly > strong since it affects both lagna as well as 8th house - houses of > longevity. > The observation that if 8th lord is in lagna then the native will > have a long lasting disease and that he will ultimately die with that > disease itself is interesting. I request you to share such example > charts if available. > 2) As per Parasara - > Ashtamese tu tanuge sura-bhoosura nindakaH > Hatadehasukho nityam jatakaH syad vrananvitaH > (Parasara > Hora) > [if 8th lord is in lagna then, the native will condemn both gods and > kings (powerful ones both on sky and earth). He will not have bodily > happiness (his health will not be ok) always and will have wounds in > body] > 6th house indicate fresh wounds, where as 8th house indicate old wounds > that are not getting cured. Thus 8th lord in langa can indicate > permanent wounds, troubles, pains, diseases related to the body that > disturbs the native for long. (But don't forget that such results will > materialize and would be readily visible only in the dasa of 8th lord). > Those who suffer usually curse themselves and the divine - so would be > the case with this native as well, he will condemn everyone - deities as > well as authorities. > Note: Evaluate it based on real experience and discuss these results > more. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , kanishk > <kanishk.chakravarty@> wrote: > > > > Sir, what is the effect of the lord of the 8th house in the first > house. > > > > regards, > > kanishk. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, Can you please give the dates in your mails rather than antar dasha, for those of us who might use a different ayanamsa than the one you use. That would really help a lot. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Group, I wrote this mail on another list. I am also posting it here, maybe it might help some new comers to understand some background a bit more of KAS and KARAK. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Ash's Corner [kas] Thursday August 6, 2009 3:50 PM To: ' ' RE: Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna Dear Vijay Goel ji, Thank you for your kind words. I just hope that I can grasp all the knowledge that Guru ji is imparting to me so that I can do justice to it. It indeed is an honour to learn directly from Krushnaji. Oh absolutely, 8th house is the KARAKSTHAN and that is how KARAK is defined. However, as per the standard books the definition of KARAK has changed over time and everyone is following that. No reason is given as to why the planet is KARAK. For example, someone said KARAK for Mind is MOON !!! How is that possible. If Natural 4th house is Cancer and its lord is Moon then the HOUSE LORD or PHAL STHAN is moon. Does it mean that KARAK and PHAL Sthan are same??? KARAK for Moon is Shani and the logic is that 8th house from the House of Cancer is Aquarius and its lord is Shani. Here there is a THEORY behind it. Long time back, when I said that, someone self appointed Guru’s said that Shani is “Mand” how it can be KARAK for Mind. On the contrary I said that as per teachings of KAS, when lagna, sun and moon fall in more sectors of Shani in navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa then a persons has a photographic mind, but those people could not fathom this very basic fact !! Then I said, ok, take the chart of Dr. B V Raman, Einstein etc, and just cast the chart and check this fact, Dr. B V Raman had 5 sectors I believe, Einstein has 4 sectors I think. Even I took some charts of his students and showed them who were supposed to be brilliant. So, the KARAK sthan is what we call HOUSE A of everything starts from there. If KARAK sthan or KARAK is spoilt, then the PHAL is spoilt. Everyone is using that too for Marriage, why is a person checking Venus? Why is Venus the KARAK for marriage. It’s not because its 7th lord in natural chart, but it is 2nd lord (Taurus). At the same time, its said that Venus is the planet of luxuries and enjoyment and pleasures, then what is the theory behind that? Everyone is using that today and it works. So this is the theory behind it, as Venus is the lord of NATURAL 7th house which is Libra. And 7th house is 8th from 12th house which is that of MOKSH on spiritual plane. Same way Guru is putra Karak, as it is natural 12th lord which is 8th from 5th house. Everyone is using that too. Now, we come for DEATH. Everyone is taking KARAK to be Shani ??? Why? Actually the KARKA for death is MERCURY as it is natural 3rd lord of Gemini. At the same time MOOL KARAK or KARAK of KARAK is Shani i.e. 10th lord. So somewhere in due course of time or maybe due to FEAR OF SHANI, everyone started taking KARKA for death as Shani, and everyone forgot Mercury J. Now this is what is written in the good books. This list is for Ancient Indian Astrology but what happens if this all is LOST especially if people quote books? All this is VA only and KAS is no different. It’s just that since this whole system was safeguarded in the family of Guruji’s Guru ji, Shri Brij Gopal Shastri ji so there is less chance of adulteration in comparison to the so called standard texts that’s available. In any case, thanks for listening. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Vijay Goel Thursday August 6, 2009 1:28 PM To: Subject: Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna Dear Ash ji , Hello ! I know you are a close disciple of Shri Krushna Jugalkalani and taking his tradition in the best way. 8th house is very vital, crucial and important house in your traditional KAS system. Infact i think that 8th house can be best understood by KAS system only. You also have your own traditional ayanamsha BTW i am using lahiri\ chitrapaksha ayanamsha. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > Can you please give the dates in your mails rather than antar dasha, for > those of us who might use a different ayanamsa than the one you use. > That would really help a lot. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Ash ji , Hello ! I know you are a close disciple of Shri Krushna Jugalkalani and taking his tradition in the best way. 8th house is very vital, crucial and important house in your traditional KAS system. Infact i think that 8th house can be best understood by KAS system only. You also have your own traditional ayanamsha BTW i am using lahiri\ chitrapaksha ayanamsha. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > Can you please give the dates in your mails rather than antar dasha, for > those of us who might use a different ayanamsa than the one you use. > That would really help a lot. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, Thank you for your kind words. I just hope that I can grasp all the knowledge that Guru ji is imparting to me so that I can do justice to it. It indeed is an honour to learn directly from Krushnaji. Oh absolutely, 8th house is the KARAKSTHAN and that is how KARAK is defined. However, as per the standard books the definition of KARAK has changed over time and everyone is following that. No reason is given as to why the planet is KARAK. For example, someone said KARAK for Mind is MOON !!! How is that possible. If Natural 4th house is Cancer and its lord is Moon then the HOUSE LORD or PHAL STHAN is moon. Does it mean that KARAK and PHAL Sthan are same??? KARAK for Moon is Shani and the logic is that 8th house from the House of Cancer is Aquarius and its lord is Shani. Here there is a THEORY behind it. Long time back, when I said that, someone self appointed Guru’s said that Shani is “Mand” how it can be KARAK for Mind. On the contrary I said that as per teachings of KAS, when lagna, sun and moon fall in more sectors of Shani in navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa then a persons has a photographic mind, but those people could not fathom this very basic fact !! Then I said, ok, take the chart of Dr. B V Raman, Einstein etc, and just cast the chart and check this fact, Dr. B V Raman had 5 sectors I believe, Einstein has 4 sectors I think. Even I took some charts of his students and showed them who were supposed to be brilliant. So, the KARAK sthan is what we call HOUSE A of everything starts from there. If KARAK sthan or KARAK is spoilt, then the PHAL is spoilt. Everyone is using that too for Marriage, why is a person checking Venus? Why is Venus the KARAK for marriage. It’s not because its 7th lord in natural chart, but it is 2nd lord (Taurus). At the same time, its said that Venus is the planet of luxuries and enjoyment and pleasures, then what is the theory behind that? Everyone is using that today and it works. So this is the theory behind it, as Venus is the lord of NATURAL 7th house which is Libra. And 7th house is 8th from 12th house which is that of MOKSH on spiritual plane. Same way Guru is putra Karak, as it is natural 12th lord which is 8th from 5th house. Everyone is using that too. Now, we come for DEATH. Everyone is taking KARAK to be Shani ??? Why? Actually the KARKA for death is MERCURY as it is natural 3rd lord of Gemini. At the same time MOOL KARAK or KARAK of KARAK is Shani i.e. 10th lord. So somewhere in due course of time or maybe due to FEAR OF SHANI, everyone started taking KARKA for death as Shani, and everyone forgot Mercury J. Now this is what is written in the good books. This list is for Ancient Indian Astrology but what happens if this all is LOST especially if people quote books? All this is VA only and KAS is no different. It’s just that since this whole system was safeguarded in the family of Guruji’s Guru ji, Shri Brij Gopal Shastri ji so there is less chance of adulteration in comparison to the so called standard texts that’s available. In any case, thanks for listening. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Vijay Goel Thursday August 6, 2009 1:28 PM To: Subject: Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna Dear Ash ji , Hello ! I know you are a close disciple of Shri Krushna Jugalkalani and taking his tradition in the best way. 8th house is very vital, crucial and important house in your traditional KAS system. Infact i think that 8th house can be best understood by KAS system only. You also have your own traditional ayanamsha BTW i am using lahiri\ chitrapaksha ayanamsha. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > Can you please give the dates in your mails rather than antar dasha, for > those of us who might use a different ayanamsa than the one you use. > That would really help a lot. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, I request you to note the following line -//> > Un-afflicted 8th lord in lagna may not cause longevity problems, > > since the connection of house of longevity with lagna only indicate good> > longevity and not otherwise. // In the given chart - * 8th lord Mars is placed in lagna, but is NOT in conjunct with or aspected with any other malefic (i.e. here the 8th lord is afflicted) * Further the in this chart the 8th lord mars is exalted in navamsa (indicating longivity) * To add to it, the chart has Hamsa yoga (indicating longevity) with Jupiter in kendra of lagna and mars. These combination make this chart devoid of longivity problems during Mars dasa; but if such a chart comes to me, I would have predicted Balarishta (early childhood diseases) for sure with the presence of such a strong malefic in lagna. //but recently mars antar has finished and he bagged some export orders from Internet marketing.// With 11th lord (gain) Moon in 9th (foreign lands), I wonder whether the said event happened during Mars antara or Moon antara. As per Chandra hari ayanamsa and 360 degree solar year, the Moon anatara was from May 2007 to Sep 2008; was it happened during that period itself or after that? //> Financially he is under debts// That could be the result caused by the currently running Mars antara itself. As per Chandrahari Ayanamsa Mars antara is from Sep 2008 to Aug 2009.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji and all,> > here is one example for 8th lord in lagna.> > October 26, 1972> Time: 5:15:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > Kanya Lagna , mars is 8th lord in lagna with neech venus.> This person is quite healthy and till now i donot see any long term disease.> He was born in the dasa of mars, and i donot know that time condition, but recently mars antar has finished and he bagged some export orders from Internet marketing.> Financially he is under debts, his father has huge properties that he can live without his own earning throughout his life.> ---------> > i have noted : 8th lord in lagna, person moves to foreign lands or distance places for livelihood.> > -------------> > Regards,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji,Thankyou for the explanation. :)Now if we use Lahiri Ayanamsha than the following chart is their : Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Su / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Ma \ / | | \ / \ / | |Me x Md As x | | / \ / \ | | / \ Ve / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Ra \ 6 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Ju x Ke | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |AL x x SaR Mo | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ Navamsa D-9 +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ SaR / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Ma \ / | | \ / \ / | |Mo x Ju As x Ke | | / \ / \ | | / \ Me / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 4 / \ | | / \ / \ | | x | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |AL \ / \ / | |Ra x Ve x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Su \ / \ | | / HL \ / \ | +--------------+ Here debilitated Venus is with mars in lagna. Mars is debilitated in Navamsha.Malefic planets (rahu\ketu) in kendre and saturn in trines, LL mercury hemmed between malefic does indicate balaritha yoga.Saving grace is that 1)Hamsha yoga2)in navamsha their is exalted jupiter with mercury in Lagna aspected by venus and moon in mercury navamsha.Now if we take the erect the horoscope in Chandrahari Ayanamsha : Rasi +--------------+ | \ Me / \ / | | \ Su / \ Ve / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Ma \ / | | \ / \ / | |AL x As x | | / \ / \ | | / \ Md / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Ra \ 6 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Ju x Ke | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x x SaR Mo | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ Navamsa D-9 +--------------+ | \ / \ Ju / | | \ SaR / \ Me / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Ma \ / | | \ / \ / | |Mo x As x Ke | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 4 / \ | | / \ / \ | | x | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |AL \ / \ / | |Ra x x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Su \ / \ | | / Ve \ / \ | +--------------+1) Venus moves to 12th house and 6th house in D-9, 2)mercury to 2nd house in D-1 and moves to 12th house in D-9.3)Mars is in lagna and also debilitated in navamsha lagna.No protection to lagna in both D-1 and d-9.except Hamsha yoga where jupiter is with rahu (dire enemy) in D-1.I find balaristha yoga is more powerful with Chandari ayanamsha.-----------------------------/// With 11th lord (gain) Moon in 9th (foreign lands), I wonder whether the said event happened during Mars antara or Moon antara. As per Chandra hari ayanamsa and 360 degree solar year, the Moon anatara was from May 2007 to Sep 2008; was it happened during that period itself or after that? ///He bagged export orders mainly from Jan08 to Nov 08, majorly between may 08 to august 09. In this year he took some loans also. At Diwali ie in OCT 09 he had one last major order of few lacs than it started declining very fast.As per Lahiri ayanamsha it was mars antara dasa (30th april 08 to 13th april 09).Mars is with venus the 9th lord and 2nd lord. Mars is 10L in D-9 with exalted 9L jupiter and 12L mercury.Now in rahu antara dasa (from april 09 onwards) he has no export orders & met one vechicle accident but saved miraculously with minor injuries (i think it is july 09). In Chandhari ayanamsha Rahu antara will start from 18th aug 09.-------------------------Anyway, thanks for the insight, i cannot ressolve ayanamsha issue. :(Love & Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.please note that you have mistakenly taken mars as exalted in navamsha.------------------ , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Vijay Goel ji,> I request you to note the following line -> //> > Un-afflicted 8th lord in lagna may not cause longevity> problems,> > > since the connection of house of longevity with lagna only indicate> good> > > longevity and not otherwise. //> In the given chart -> * 8th lord Mars is placed in lagna, but is NOT in conjunct with or> aspected with any other malefic (i.e. here the 8th lord is afflicted)> * Further the in this chart the 8th lord mars is exalted in navamsa> (indicating longivity)> * To add to it, the chart has Hamsa yoga (indicating longevity) with> Jupiter in kendra of lagna and mars.> These combination make this chart devoid of longivity problems during> Mars dasa; but if such a chart comes to me, I would have predicted> Balarishta (early childhood diseases) for sure with the presence of such> a strong malefic in lagna.> //but recently mars antar has finished and he bagged some export orders> from Internet marketing.//> With 11th lord (gain) Moon in 9th (foreign lands), I wonder whether> the said event happened during Mars antara or Moon antara. As per> Chandra hari ayanamsa and 360 degree solar year, the Moon anatara was> from May 2007 to Sep 2008; was it happened during that period itself or> after that?> //> Financially he is under debts//> That could be the result caused by the currently running Mars antara> itself. As per Chandrahari Ayanamsa Mars antara is from Sep 2008 to Aug> 2009.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Vijay Goel"> goyalvj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji and all,> >> > here is one example for 8th lord in lagna.> >> > October 26, 1972> > Time: 5:15:00> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> >> > Kanya Lagna , mars is 8th lord in lagna with neech venus.> > This person is quite healthy and till now i donot see any long term> disease.> > He was born in the dasa of mars, and i donot know that time condition,> but recently mars antar has finished and he bagged some export orders> from Internet marketing.> > Financially he is under debts, his father has huge properties that he> can live without his own earning throughout his life.> > ---------> >> > i have noted : 8th lord in lagna, person moves to foreign lands or> distance places for livelihood.> >> > -------------> >> > Regards,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, //3)Mars is in lagna and also debilitated in navamsha lagna.// Right! I made a mistake of saying that Mars is exalted in navamsha! Sorry. You are right - Balarishta yoga is strong as per CH Ayanamsa. //> He bagged export orders mainly from Jan08 to Nov 08,// Did you meant to say - from Jan08 to NOV 09?//majorly between may> 08 to august 09. In this year he took some loans also. At Diwali ie in> OCT 09 he had one last major order of few lacs than it started declining> very fast.// OK - with such info I too cannot be certain, which ayanamsa to use! Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Dear Sreenadhji,the correct statement is ://He bagged export orders mainly from Jan08 to Nov 08, majorly between may 08 to august 08. In this period he took some loans also. Near Diwali ie in OCT 08 he had one last major order of few lacs than it started declining very fast.//BTW, in this horoscope vimsottari dasa as per CH ayanamsha fits more accurate but their is major changes of planets in divisional charts. Live this issue as this is out of present context we are discussing.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Vijay Goel ji,> //3)Mars is in lagna and also debilitated in navamsha lagna.//> Right! I made a mistake of saying that Mars is exalted in navamsha!> Sorry. []> You are right - Balarishta yoga is strong as per CH Ayanamsa.> //> He bagged export orders mainly from Jan08 to Nov 08,//> Did you meant to say - from Jan08 to NOV 09?> > //majorly between may> > 08 to august 09. In this year he took some loans also. At Diwali ie in> > OCT 09 he had one last major order of few lacs than it started> declining> > very fast.//> OK - with such info I too cannot be certain, which ayanamsa to use! > []> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, //> BTW, in this horoscope vimsottari dasa as per CH ayanamsha fits more> accurate but their is major changes of planets in divisional charts. // That is good news! But why you worry about divisional charts at all when the sages does not support the concept of divisional charts but only divisions?! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > the correct statement is :> > //He bagged export orders mainly from Jan08 to Nov 08, majorly between> may 08 to august 08. In this period he took some loans also. Near Diwali> ie in OCT 08 he had one last major order of few lacs than it started> declining very fast.// []> > BTW, in this horoscope vimsottari dasa as per CH ayanamsha fits more> accurate but their is major changes of planets in divisional charts. > [] [#-o]> > Live this issue as this is out of present context we are discussing.> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear all, One more example of Dhanu Lagna. September 28, 1968 Time: 13:33:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 56' 00 " , 26 N 58' 00 " Paota, India Ayanamsa: 23-25-13.57 This person is a Charted Accountant practicing independently from day one is a close friend of mine. Dhanu Lagna with 8L Moon in lagna aspected by jupiter from 9th house. Before the starting of mahadasa of moon started in 12th aug 01, there was huge decline in his work and was nearly out of his profession. He was totally frustrated, dishearthed and developed the tendency to run away from home as he was not having any work. in moon\moon , At home there was quarrels with wife etc. Since my one project was with him, i use to have nearly daily touch with him. I helped and encouraged him to take agency of bank at that time , to provide loans to customers on their behalf (I said to him loans should be integral part of your profession, 'become the King Maker, for 8th lord in lagna' ). It was seriously very tough for him but he managed to fetch the agency of bank in this moon antara and invested to build a new big office with the help of a loan. As soon the mars antara dasa started from13th june 2002, he got very busy with handling big clients. as the end of this mars dasa, he was in profits in tune of >20 lacs (in 7 months) which he never imagined before and bought a land and a good car. Moon Mahadasa is still running and his younger brother was murdered in may09 in ketu antardasa. Thanking you, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > //> BTW, in this horoscope vimsottari dasa as per CH ayanamsha fits > more > > accurate but their is major changes of planets in divisional charts. > // > That is good news! But why you worry about divisional charts at all > when the sages does not support the concept of divisional charts but > only divisions?! > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Vijay Goel " > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > the correct statement is : > > > > //He bagged export orders mainly from Jan08 to Nov 08, majorly between > > may 08 to august 08. In this period he took some loans also. Near > Diwali > > ie in OCT 08 he had one last major order of few lacs than it started > > declining very fast.// [] > > > > BTW, in this horoscope vimsottari dasa as per CH ayanamsha fits more > > accurate but their is major changes of planets in divisional charts. > > [] [#-o] > > > > Live this issue as this is out of present context we are discussing. > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dear Vijay goel, Thanks for the sharing the chart with us. But I differ with you. In Bhava chalit Moon is in 12th making vipreet rajayoga and aspected by Mars and lagna aspected by Jupiter. Own profession and success in antar dasha of Mars are clearly indicated. I congratulate you for advising to deal in loans from banks. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > Vijay Goel <goyalvj > Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 9:32 PM > > Dear all, > > One more example of Dhanu Lagna. > > Date: September 28, 1968 > Time: 13:33:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 76 E 56' 00 " , > 26 N 58' 00 " > > Paota, India > Ayanamsa: 23-25-13.57 > > This person is a Charted Accountant practicing > independently from day > one is a close friend of mine. > > Dhanu Lagna with 8L Moon in lagna aspected by jupiter from > 9th house. > > Before the starting of mahadasa of moon started in 12th aug > 01, there > was huge decline in his work and was nearly out of his > profession. > He was totally frustrated, dishearthed and developed the > tendency to run > away from home as he was not having any work. > in moon\moon , At home there was quarrels with wife etc. > Since my one project was with him, i use to have nearly > daily touch with > him. > I helped and encouraged him to take agency of bank at that > time , to > provide loans to customers on their behalf (I > said to him loans should > be integral part of your profession, 'become the King > Maker, for 8th > lord in lagna' ). It was seriously very tough for him but > he managed to > fetch the agency of bank in this moon antara and invested > to build a new > big office with the help of a loan. > > As soon the mars antara dasa started from13th june 2002, he > got very > busy with handling big clients. > as the end of this mars dasa, he was in profits in tune of > >20 lacs (in > 7 months) which he never imagined before and bought a land > and a good > car. > > Moon Mahadasa is still running and his younger brother was > murdered in > may09 in ketu antardasa. > > Thanking you, > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > , > " Sreenadh " > <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > //> BTW, in this horoscope vimsottari > dasa as per CH ayanamsha fits > > more > > > accurate but their is major changes of planets in > divisional charts. > > // > > That is good news! But why you worry > about divisional charts at all > > when the sages does not support the concept of > divisional charts but > > only divisions?! > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > , > " Vijay Goel " > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > the correct statement is : > > > > > > //He bagged export orders mainly from Jan08 to > Nov 08, majorly > between > > > may 08 to august 08. In this period he took some > loans also. Near > > Diwali > > > ie in OCT 08 he had one last major order of few > lacs than it started > > > declining very fast.// [] > > > > > > BTW, in this horoscope vimsottari dasa as per CH > ayanamsha fits more > > > accurate but their is major changes of planets in > divisional charts. > > > [] [#-o] > > > > > > Live this issue as this is out of present context > we are discussing. > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > Regards, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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