Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome: Vinothkumar Ji

July 7, 2009

Dear Manoj Ji

The comments from C.S.Patel Ji you quoted does not indicate to me that Rashi

placement of a planet is irrelevant.As you quoted " Rashi is Dasha and navamsa is

antardasha " i am considering the following for discussion.

If dasa lord is maraka and antardasa lord is yogakaraka ,what will an astrolger

comment-1.Death of a person anytime during the Dasha(even in yogakaraka

antardasha) or Prosperity and riches only in yogakaraka dasa(expecting death

will not happen in this antardasha)?What if death does not occur in that maraka

dasha?

We will not definte answers for the above if we are going to consider only the

planets which refers to mahadasha lord and antardasha lord

Relevance of Rashi and navamsha positions is the same as that of the above

example if taken as an anology.we cannot declare any planetary position in any

of the varga charts as irrelevant .

As an astrologer(novice or Experienced However he may be) he is supposed to give

the predictions juding various sources of strengths of planets and bhavas which

i am sure you yourself might know as you look a learned person in this forum

to me.For the same reason we cannot fix any effect like 50/50 or 75/25 for any

chart.

" Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False " -----This is true if

taken as a seperate point.

/ " MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement can better

it. " --This is true if taken in the context of a single chart under study.I

wanted to convey this point only with reference to a single chart and not as a

general dictum.I apologise if it is wrongly understood.

According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted in the forum

i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who are reading this

groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to share their views and

they consider my postings as teachings which are unwanted for them and so i can

only help the situation by being quiet hereafter.

So i have decided not to share any points after this mail and i also feel it is

good for anybody to listen to the views of senior astrologers with lots of

experience than from a newbie.

Regarding navamsha placement ,i would like to express my view based on the study

of Devakeralam and so this is not my personal experience.

Which Shri C.S.PatelJi himself considered a valuable treasure and conducted

free classes on Devakeralam to share his knowledge out of study of

chandrakalanadi

I dont know to type sanskrit.So i am giving only the English Translation By

santhanamJi and i am referring the page number and Shloka number so that you can

find them in the book.

volume 2-Pg 78,shloka 28

Even a son of the ruler of the (whole)earth will become the head of the

underworld patala(i.e.They will steep,irreconcilable fall in position) will earn

his meal by beggary and will be chief among naked ascetics when all the planets

are in exaltation signs and debilitation navamsas.

volume 2,pg 78 shloka 29

A planet in exaltation sign and debilitation navamsa will be grievous.The one in

debilitation sign with exalted navamsa will be a source of happiness.

volume 2-pg 78,shloka 32

(a) If a planet is debilitated in Rasi but begets his exaltation navamsa,the

person will be rich and will enjoy many pleasures.If the said debilitated planet

is in the navamsa of a yogakaraka,birth in a prosperous family is denoted.

There are other shlokas also which emphasize the points mentioned above,but i

feel these are the exact ones for our discussion here.

Based on the verses in Devakeralam(chandrakala Nadi), i am given to understand

that Navamsha has the power to increase the effects of planetary placement in

Rashi .In places where Rasi placement is bad but navamsa placement is

good,navamsa definetely overpowers the rashi to give good results to the

native.When Rashi placement is bad and navamsha placement is also bad,the evil

effects are much pronounced.As Navamsa shows the fruits of the horoscope we have

to give due importance to a planets placement when we find it debilitated in

Rashi.

regards

Vinoth

________________________________

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:51:31 PM

Re: Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

Outcome: Vinothkumar Ji

Dear Vinothkumar Ji,

You wrote:

// MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement can

better it. //

I am concerned with the above statement because there are many in this Group who

are not very experienced and when we make such statements, they may assume it

is true. Debilitation of ANY planet in Rasi is VERY RELEVANT. The two statements

above do not necessarily go with each other. One is True the other is blatantly

False.

Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False

Navamsa placement CAN better it :- True

How much better? Does Navamsha over power the Rashi? Is Rashi/Navamsha 50/50

effect? Is Rashi/Navamsha 75/25 effect? Or is Rashi/Navamsha 25/75 effect?

Here are some of the comments from the CS Patel Book you are referring to:

// Rashi is Maha Dasha, Navamsha is Antar Dasha //

// Rashi is like a photograph, Navamsha is like an Xray //

Do these comments indicate to you that Rashi placement is Irrelevant? or Are you

talking from personal experience?

Regards,

-Manoj

________________________________

" vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com " <vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com>

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, July 6, 2009 9:59:36 PM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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An observation

I have noticed that if Mercury as 3rd lord from lagna is debilitated in Rasi and

navamsa,the native will marry a person whose father has died

3 rd house is father-in law house

MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement can better

it.If Debilitated in navamsa also the person will have difficulties in conveying

his ideasto others ,bit of anxiety casuing inclarity in language he speaks

though he may be well proficient in the languages concerned

Vinoth

ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.Mehta,

> Thank you for your response. Yes, the person does take hasty and reckless

decisions often. DOes not appear to have any control over his speech and actions

many a time. Moreover, the mind does not think straight at all. He always

prefers devious methods of functioning. Even in speech, the answers are never

straight. If he says 10%, 90% is left to your imagination. Even then one can't

be sure of what he is saying. After all imaginations do have a tendency of

running wild......

> BUt thanks for your clarification. . Especially about mars aspect on moon.

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Mon, 6/7/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

>

> chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...>

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, 6 July, 2009, 8:22 AM

>

Mars aspect on Moon makes already fast planet even faster.

> This makes the Mann ashant - restless. It can trouble the person and also make

him/her take impatient decisions. Weather the decisions are hanky- panky is also

dependant on other benefic/malefic aspects, conjunction & placement.

> I have mars aspecting moon in natal chart buy no hanky-panky till now. And

looks unlikely in future.

>

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

> --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

>

> Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, 6 July, 2009, 9:48 AM

>

Hi,

> Dear Manoj ji, it is me Anita. I think I forgot to sign my name at the bottom.

Apologies.

> His mercury is debilitated. I want to know what impact do kuja, retro guru,

retro shani might have on his psyche.

> regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Sun, 5/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 5:18 PM

Dear Ash Ji (sorry if this is wrong since you did not sign your name),

>

> For false speech, 2nd house, 2nd lord and Mercury's status are very important.

Do we know the condition of Me in this chart (ofcourse without ascendant it is

tough).

>

> -Manoj

>

> " ash.rsh55 " <ash.rsh55 >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:15:27 PM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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>

> Dear all,

> while we are on the topic of divorce, possible extra marital affairs etc. I

would like to raise a point which has beeb bugging me for a long time. I do not

know if this is the right time to raise this but it is certainly connected to

the topic. If the moderators feel the time is not ripe for this query, perhaps

they will withold this mail until Manoj ji announces the result of the

fascinating quiz he has come up with.

> Moon , the house he is occupying, the aspects he gets are primarily responsibl

e for our mental set up. I want to know, what is the impact of benefics /

malefics occupying 6th, 8th and 12th from moon?

> Eg: a friend has moon in taurus, retro guru with retro saturn in dhanu which

is 8th house from taurus, has mars in kumbha casting 4th house aspect on moon. I

do not have his time of birth but only the date of birth. He is a chronic lier.

Lies even when there is no need to. And ofcourse gets caught. He has been up to

" Hanky Panky " right from 1995 - as far as my knowledge goes- and has been caught

by his wife just last week

>

> --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Saturday, 4 July, 2009, 7:36 PM

>

> Dear Mohit Ji,

>

> Thanks for your additional comments and clarification.

>

> Regards,

>

> -Manoj

>

> Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:32:05 AM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Sir u r right tht Sat seeing Venus is always undesireable

for men chart but u see Manoj g tht Saturn being 5th lord sitting in own house

is strongery it maydelay not denial i feel tht and seeing 8th lord who is also

Lagnesh too (which i forgot to write in the last mail ) confirm this (i feel) &

8th lord being in 5th house then i feel late or deny children ( got to lot of

things wit tht & but in this case 5th lord is in his own house) & lot of break

in affairs & i feel for her wife's i feel tht sat being 10 n 11th lord and Naks

of exclated Jupiter who is too retro may be she must be Teacher or Teaching

sometimes . well Sir i m too waiting for ur answer . Thanks u so much Mohit

>

> --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:38 PM

>

> Dear Mohit Ji,

>

> Those are interesting comments.. I am not sure if Renu ji had the exact

thought process and we will have to wait for her response. However, hold on to

your thoughts and once the results are revealed we can come back and analyze it.

>

> In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:

>

> 5th lord seing the 8th in this case..

>

> If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your conclusion?

> How things need to be interpreted differently in these two cases?

>

> Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but Sa is also 5th

L.. Does this make things better or worse?

>

> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

>

> Regards,

>

> -Manoj

>

> Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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>

> Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus who is also 8th

lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see from 7th house Mars

is in 6th house she is not at all optimistic person too, Thanks Mohit

>

> --- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) . co.uk> wrote:

>

> renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Friday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AM

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> //He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody

>

> battle.//

>

> This sentence and " will he gain financially. ... " ... " the custody of the

kids.... " ... .

>

> ..........all the above made me think that the native is the innocent party

according to your thinking. He is your friend and from your mail I could infer

> some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...

>

> Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio from Aries

[7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.

>

> I may be wrong......let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Renu Ji,

>

> >

>

> > Some how I missed this comment of yours.

>

> >

>

> > " I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent party. "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you that impression? I was trying

to be very careful and not give any indications one way or the other.

>

> >

>

> > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to claim that

the native is the " innocent " party.

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> >

>

> >

> -Manoj

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > renunw <renunw@>

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

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>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear Neelam ji,

>

> >

>

> > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's questions on this

chart. You should be correct....I think his post makes us assume that the native

is the innocent party.

>

> >

>

> > So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse....once again Ve, Sun combo in the 8H,

this time that of the spouse... Interesting.

>

> >

>

> > blessings,

>

> >

>

> > Renu

>

> >

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Renu ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows secret

>

> > > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.

>

> > > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather than

native's,

>

> > > if other conditions also prevail...

>

> > > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.

>

> > >

>

> > > Regards

>

> > > Neelam

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart fits to

group's

>

> > > > earlier discussion below:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > // " if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as

> lagna

>

> > > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I should not

>

> > > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or any other

girl

>

> > > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any

>

> > > > number of relationships in his/her life..//

>

> > > >

>

> > > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in Scorpio, the

>

> > > > house of secrets...

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > blessings,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Renu

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

>

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

>

> > > >

> >

>

> > > > > Dear All,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not

>

> > > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since

our

>

> > > > group is very active..

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.

>

> > > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody

>

> > > > battle.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Interesting questions for the group are:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

>

> > > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife

>

> > > > (soon to be

> ex-wife)?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > A bonus question is :

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened

in

>

> > > > 2006)?

>

> > > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

>

> > > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is

also

>

> > > > welcome.

>

> > > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if

I

>

> > > > can.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New

>

> > > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > If possible please

> send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@

>

> > > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Regards,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > -Manoj

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

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July 7, 2009

Dear Vinoth Ji,

Thanks for your clarification.

Regards,

-Manoj

Vinothkumar Md <vinothkumarmd Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 12:52:39 PM Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome: Vinothkumar Ji

Dear Manoj JiThe comments from C.S.Patel Ji you quoted does not indicate to me that Rashi placement of a planet is irrelevant.As you quoted "Rashi is Dasha and navamsa is antardasha" i am considering the following for discussion.If dasa lord is maraka and antardasa lord is yogakaraka ,what will an astrolger comment-1.Death of a person anytime during the Dasha(even in yogakaraka antardasha) or Prosperity and riches only in yogakaraka dasa(expecting death will not happen in this antardasha)? What if death does not occur in that maraka dasha?We will not definte answers for the above if we are going to consider only the planets which refers to mahadasha lord and antardasha lordRelevance of Rashi and navamsha positions is the same as that of the above example if taken as an anology.we cannot declare any planetary position in any of the varga charts as irrelevant .As an astrologer(novice or Experienced However he may

be) he is supposed to give the predictions juding various sources of strengths of planets and bhavas which i am sure you yourself might know as you look a learned person in this forum to me.For the same reason we cannot fix any effect like 50/50 or 75/25 for any chart."Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False" -----This is true if taken as a seperate point./"MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement can better it. "--This is true if taken in the context of a single chart under study.I wanted to convey this point only with reference to a single chart and not as a general dictum.I apologise if it is wrongly understood.According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted in the forum i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who are reading this groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to share their views and they consider my postings as teachings which are

unwanted for them and so i can only help the situation by being quiet hereafter.So i have decided not to share any points after this mail and i also feel it is good for anybody to listen to the views of senior astrologers with lots of experience than from a newbie.Regarding navamsha placement ,i would like to express my view based on the study of Devakeralam and so this is not my personal experience.Which Shri C.S.PatelJi himself considered a valuable treasure and conducted free classes on Devakeralam to share his knowledge out of study of chandrakalanadiI dont know to type sanskrit.So i am giving only the English Translation By santhanamJi and i am referring the page number and Shloka number so that you can find them in the book.volume 2-Pg 78,shloka 28Even a son of the ruler of the (whole)earth will become the head of the underworld patala(i.e.They will steep,irreconcilabl e fall in position) will earn

his meal by beggary and will be chief among naked ascetics when all the planets are in exaltation signs and debilitation navamsas.volume 2,pg 78 shloka 29A planet in exaltation sign and debilitation navamsa will be grievous.The one in debilitation sign with exalted navamsa will be a source of happiness.volume 2-pg 78,shloka 32(a) If a planet is debilitated in Rasi but begets his exaltation navamsa,the person will be rich and will enjoy many pleasures.If the said debilitated planet is in the navamsa of a yogakaraka,birth in a prosperous family is denoted.There are other shlokas also which emphasize the points mentioned above,but i feel these are the exact ones for our discussion here.Based on the verses in Devakeralam( chandrakala Nadi), i am given to understand that Navamsha has the power to increase the effects of planetary placement in Rashi .In places where Rasi placement is bad but navamsa placement is

good,navamsa definetely overpowers the rashi to give good results to the native.When Rashi placement is bad and navamsha placement is also bad,the evil effects are much pronounced.As Navamsa shows the fruits of the horoscope we have to give due importance to a planets placement when we find it debilitated in Rashi.regardsVinoth____________ _________ _________ __Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, July 7, 2009 11:51:31 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome: Vinothkumar JiDear Vinothkumar Ji,You

wrote:// MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement can better it. //I am concerned with the above statement because there are many in this Group who are not very experienced and when we make such statements, they may assume it is true. Debilitation of ANY planet in Rasi is VERY RELEVANT. The two statements above do not necessarily go with each other. One is True the other is blatantly False.Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- FalseNavamsa placement CAN better it :- TrueHow much better? Does Navamsha over power the Rashi? Is Rashi/Navamsha 50/50 effect? Is Rashi/Navamsha 75/25 effect? Or is Rashi/Navamsha 25/75 effect?Here are some of the comments from the CS Patel Book you are referring to:// Rashi is Maha Dasha, Navamsha is Antar Dasha //// Rashi is like a photograph, Navamsha is like an Xray //Do these comments indicate to you that Rashi

placement is Irrelevant? or Are you talking from personal experience?Regards,-Manoj____________ _________ _________ __"vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com" <vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com>ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, July 6, 2009 9:59:36 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody OutcomeAn observationI have noticed that if Mercury as 3rd lord from lagna is debilitated in Rasi and navamsa,the native will marry a person whose father has died 3 rd house is father-in law houseMErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement can better it.If Debilitated in navamsa also the person will have difficulties in conveying his ideasto others ,bit of anxiety casuing inclarity in language he speaks though he may be well proficient in the languages

concernedVinothancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Mehta,> Thank you for your response. Yes, the person does take hasty and reckless decisions often. DOes not appear to have any control over his speech and actions many a time. Moreover, the mind does not think straight at all. He always prefers devious methods of functioning. Even in speech, the answers are never straight. If he says 10%, 90% is left to your imagination.. Even then one can't be sure of what he is saying. After all imaginations do have a tendency of running wild......> BUt thanks for your clarification. . Especially about mars aspect on moon.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ....> wrote:> > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 6 July, 2009, 8:22 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspect on Moon makes already fast planet even faster.> This makes the Mann ashant - restless. It can trouble the person and also make him/her take impatient decisions. Weather the decisions are hanky- panky is also dependant on other benefic/malefic aspects, conjunction & placement.> I have mars aspecting moon in natal chart buy no hanky-panky till now. And looks unlikely in future..> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

Outcome> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 6 July, 2009, 9:48 AM> > > > > > > > > Hi,> Dear Manoj ji, it is me Anita. I think I forgot to sign my name at the bottom. Apologies.> His mercury is debilitated. I want to know what impact do kuja, retro guru, retro shani might have on his psyche.> regards,> Anita> > --- On Sun, 5/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 5:18 PM> > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji (sorry if this is wrong since you

did not sign your name),> > For false speech, 2nd house, 2nd lord and Mercury's status are very important. Do we know the condition of Me in this chart (ofcourse without ascendant it is tough).> > -Manoj> > > > > > "ash.rsh55 " <ash.rsh55 >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:15:27 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> > > > > Dear all,> while we are on the topic of divorce, possible extra marital affairs etc. I would like to raise a point which has beeb bugging me for a long time. I do not know if this is the right time to raise this but it is certainly connected to the topic. If the moderators feel the time is not ripe for this query, perhaps they will withold this mail until Manoj ji

announces the result of the fascinating quiz he has come up with. > Moon , the house he is occupying, the aspects he gets are primarily responsibl e for our mental set up. I want to know, what is the impact of benefics / malefics occupying 6th, 8th and 12th from moon?> Eg: a friend has moon in taurus, retro guru with retro saturn in dhanu which is 8th house from taurus, has mars in kumbha casting 4th house aspect on moon. I do not have his time of birth but only the date of birth. He is a chronic lier. Lies even when there is no need to. And ofcourse gets caught. He has been up to "Hanky Panky" right from 1995 - as far as my knowledge goes- and has been caught by his wife just last week> > --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

Outcome> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, 4 July, 2009, 7:36 PM> > Dear Mohit Ji,> > Thanks for your additional comments and clarification.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:32:05 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> > Dear Manoj,> > Sir u r right tht Sat seeing Venus is always undesireable for men chart but u see Manoj g tht Saturn being 5th lord sitting in own house is strongery it maydelay not denial i feel tht and seeing 8th lord who is also Lagnesh too (which i forgot to write in the last mail ) confirm this (i feel) & 8th lord being in 5th house then i feel late or deny children ( got to lot of things

wit tht & but in this case 5th lord is in his own house) & lot of break in affairs & i feel for her wife's i feel tht sat being 10 n 11th lord and Naks of exclated Jupiter who is too retro may be she must be Teacher or Teaching sometimes . well Sir i m too waiting for ur answer . Thanks u so much Mohit> > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:38 PM> > Dear Mohit Ji,> > Those are interesting comments.. I am not sure if Renu ji had the exact thought process and we will have to wait for her response. However, hold on to your thoughts and once the results are revealed we can come back and analyze it.>

> In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:> > 5th lord seing the 8th in this case..> > If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your conclusion?> How things need to be interpreted differently in these two cases?> > Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but Sa is also 5th L... Does this make things better or worse?> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> > Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus who is also 8th lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see from 7th house Mars is in 6th

house she is not at all optimistic person too, Thanks Mohit> > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) . co.uk> wrote:> > renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AM> > Dear Manoj ji,> > //He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody> > battle.//> > This sentence and "will he gain financially. ...."..."the custody of the kids...."... .> > ..........all the above made me think that the native is the innocent party according to your thinking. He is your friend and from your mail I could infer> some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...> > Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio from Aries

[7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.> > I may be wrong.......let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renu Ji,> > > > > > Some how I missed this comment of yours.> > > > > > "I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent party. "> > > > > > > > > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you that impression? I was trying to be very careful and not give any indications one way or the other.> > > > > > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to claim that the native is the "innocent" party.> > > > > >

Regards,> > > > > >> -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > renunw <renunw@>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > > > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's questions on this chart. You should be correct....I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent party. > > > > > > So, 2nd is the 8H house of the

spouse....once again Ve, Sun combo in the 8H, this time that of the spouse.... Interesting.> > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > Renu> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows secret> > > > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.> > > > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather than native's,> > > > if other conditions also prevail...> > > > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > >> > > > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart fits to group's> > > > > earlier discussion below:> > > > >> > > > > //"if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as> lagna> > > > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I should not> > > > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or any other girl> > > > > in our family.. He says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any> > > > > number of relationships in his/her life..//>

> > > >> > > > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in Scorpio, the> > > > > house of secrets...> > > > >> > > > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!> > > > >> > > > > blessings,> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > >> >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not> > > >

> received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our> > > > > group is very active..> > > > > >> > > > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.> > > > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA> > > > > >> > > > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody> > > > > battle.> > > > > >> > > > > > Interesting questions for the group are:> > > > > >> > > > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?> > > > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife> > > > > (soon to be> ex-wife)?> > > > >

>> > > > > > A bonus question is :> > > > > >> > > > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in> > > > > 2006)?> > > > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.> > > > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also> > > > > welcome.> > > > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I> > > > > can.> > > > > >> > > > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New> > > >

> Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).> > > > > >> > > > > > If possible please> send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@> > > > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and

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July 8, 2009

Dear Vinoth kumar ji,

//According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted in

the forum

i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who are reading

this

groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to share their views

and

they consider my postings as teachings which are unwanted for them and

so i can

only help the situation by being quiet hereafter.//

Do not look for any sympathy here by writing in this manner .There is no

harm being done to you. Only crime I have done was to ask you your

introduction in a polite mail.

I do not think that any member has claimed that only they eligible to

share. This is falsehood.

You were asked to introduce yourself, only so that your sharing part

becomes acceptable to others.

Please do not misunderstand. You were requested in a very polite tone to

please introduce yourself. That is not any wrong being done. When we see

a large number of postings being made by you, a good participation from

your side, again a Quiz being put up, and also advises being given to

members, then I do not see it a wrong doing done on you, by asking your

credentials. It is human nature to be curious and one wishes to know the

other before interacting further, which I wanted to do with your

goodself. It is always better to come out of the envelope of a email id

and appear to be human in front of others.

I hope you do not shoot back a lengthy reply. I have no time for such

exchanges. If You feel that you do not have necessary

age/experience/qualifications to substantiate your teachinggs, then its

fine with us.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Vinothkumar Md

<vinothkumarmd wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj Ji

>

> The comments from C.S.Patel Ji you quoted does not indicate to me that

Rashi placement of a planet is irrelevant.As you quoted " Rashi is Dasha

and navamsa is antardasha " i am considering the following for

discussion.

>

> If dasa lord is maraka and antardasa lord is yogakaraka ,what will an

astrolger comment-1.Death of a person anytime during the Dasha(even in

yogakaraka antardasha) or Prosperity and riches only in yogakaraka

dasa(expecting death will not happen in this antardasha)?What if death

does not occur in that maraka dasha?

>

> We will not definte answers for the above if we are going to consider

only the planets which refers to mahadasha lord and antardasha lord

>

> Relevance of Rashi and navamsha positions is the same as that of the

above example if taken as an anology.we cannot declare any planetary

position in any of the varga charts as irrelevant .

>

> As an astrologer(novice or Experienced However he may be) he is

supposed to give the predictions juding various sources of strengths of

planets and bhavas which i am sure you yourself might know as you look a

learned person in this forum to me.For the same reason we cannot fix any

effect like 50/50 or 75/25 for any chart.

>

> " Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False " -----This is

true if taken as a seperate point.

> / " MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement

can better it. " --This is true if taken in the context of a single chart

under study.I wanted to convey this point only with reference to a

single chart and not as a general dictum.I apologise if it is wrongly

understood.

>

> According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted in

the forum i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who

are reading this groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to

share their views and they consider my postings as teachings which are

unwanted for them and so i can only help the situation by being quiet

hereafter.

>

> So i have decided not to share any points after this mail and i also

feel it is good for anybody to listen to the views of senior astrologers

with lots of experience than from a newbie.

>

> Regarding navamsha placement ,i would like to express my view based on

the study of Devakeralam and so this is not my personal experience.

>

> Which Shri C.S.PatelJi himself considered a valuable treasure and

conducted free classes on Devakeralam to share his knowledge out of

study of chandrakalanadi

>

> I dont know to type sanskrit.So i am giving only the English

Translation By santhanamJi and i am referring the page number and Shloka

number so that you can find them in the book.

>

> volume 2-Pg 78,shloka 28

>

> Even a son of the ruler of the (whole)earth will become the head of

the underworld patala(i.e.They will steep,irreconcilable fall in

position) will earn his meal by beggary and will be chief among naked

ascetics when all the planets are in exaltation signs and debilitation

navamsas.

>

> volume 2,pg 78 shloka 29

>

> A planet in exaltation sign and debilitation navamsa will be

grievous.The one in debilitation sign with exalted navamsa will be a

source of happiness.

>

> volume 2-pg 78,shloka 32

>

> (a) If a planet is debilitated in Rasi but begets his exaltation

navamsa,the person will be rich and will enjoy many pleasures.If the

said debilitated planet is in the navamsa of a yogakaraka,birth in a

prosperous family is denoted.

>

> There are other shlokas also which emphasize the points mentioned

above,but i feel these are the exact ones for our discussion here.

>

> Based on the verses in Devakeralam(chandrakala Nadi), i am given to

understand that Navamsha has the power to increase the effects of

planetary placement in Rashi .In places where Rasi placement is bad but

navamsa placement is good,navamsa definetely overpowers the rashi to

give good results to the native.When Rashi placement is bad and navamsha

placement is also bad,the evil effects are much pronounced.As Navamsa

shows the fruits of the horoscope we have to give due importance to a

planets placement when we find it debilitated in Rashi.

>

> regards

>

> Vinoth

>

> ________________________________

> Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj

>

> Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:51:31 PM

> Re: Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

custody Outcome: Vinothkumar Ji

>

> Dear Vinothkumar Ji,

>

> You wrote:

>

> // MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement

can better it. //

>

> I am concerned with the above statement because there are many in this

Group who are not very experienced and when we make such statements,

they may assume it is true. Debilitation of ANY planet in Rasi is VERY

RELEVANT. The two statements above do not necessarily go with each

other. One is True the other is blatantly False.

>

> Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False

>

> Navamsa placement CAN better it :- True

>

> How much better? Does Navamsha over power the Rashi? Is Rashi/Navamsha

50/50 effect? Is Rashi/Navamsha 75/25 effect? Or is Rashi/Navamsha 25/75

effect?

>

> Here are some of the comments from the CS Patel Book you are referring

to:

>

> // Rashi is Maha Dasha, Navamsha is Antar Dasha //

> // Rashi is like a photograph, Navamsha is like an Xray //

>

> Do these comments indicate to you that Rashi placement is Irrelevant?

or Are you talking from personal experience?

>

> Regards,

>

> -Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> " vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com " <vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, July 6, 2009 9:59:36 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

custody Outcome

>

> An observation

>

> I have noticed that if Mercury as 3rd lord from lagna is debilitated

in Rasi and navamsa,the native will marry a person whose father has died

>

> 3 rd house is father-in law house

>

> MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement

can better it.If Debilitated in navamsa also the person will have

difficulties in conveying his ideasto others ,bit of anxiety casuing

inclarity in language he speaks though he may be well proficient in the

languages concerned

>

> Vinoth

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@

...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > Thank you for your response. Yes, the person does take hasty and

reckless decisions often. DOes not appear to have any control over his

speech and actions many a time. Moreover, the mind does not think

straight at all. He always prefers devious methods of functioning. Even

in speech, the answers are never straight. If he says 10%, 90% is left

to your imagination. Even then one can't be sure of what he is saying.

After all imaginations do have a tendency of running wild......

> > BUt thanks for your clarification. . Especially about mars aspect on

moon.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 8:22 AM

> >

> > Mars aspect on Moon makes already fast planet even faster.

> > This makes the Mann ashant - restless. It can trouble the person and

also make him/her take impatient decisions. Weather the decisions are

hanky- panky is also dependant on other benefic/malefic aspects,

conjunction & placement.

> > I have mars aspecting moon in natal chart buy no hanky-panky till

now. And looks unlikely in future.

> >

> > Chiranjiv Mehta

> >

> > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:

> >

> > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 9:48 AM

> >

> > Hi,

> > Dear Manoj ji, it is me Anita. I think I forgot to sign my name at

the bottom. Apologies.

> > His mercury is debilitated. I want to know what impact do kuja,

retro guru, retro shani might have on his psyche.

> > regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 5:18 PM

> >

> > Dear Ash Ji (sorry if this is wrong since you did not sign your

name),

> >

> > For false speech, 2nd house, 2nd lord and Mercury's status are very

important. Do we know the condition of Me in this chart (ofcourse

without ascendant it is tough).

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > " ash.rsh55 " ash.rsh55 >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:15:27 PM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> >

> > Dear all,

> > while we are on the topic of divorce, possible extra marital affairs

etc. I would like to raise a point which has beeb bugging me for a long

time. I do not know if this is the right time to raise this but it is

certainly connected to the topic. If the moderators feel the time is not

ripe for this query, perhaps they will withold this mail until Manoj ji

announces the result of the fascinating quiz he has come up with.

> > Moon , the house he is occupying, the aspects he gets are primarily

responsibl e for our mental set up. I want to know, what is the impact

of benefics / malefics occupying 6th, 8th and 12th from moon?

> > Eg: a friend has moon in taurus, retro guru with retro saturn in

dhanu which is 8th house from taurus, has mars in kumbha casting 4th

house aspect on moon. I do not have his time of birth but only the date

of birth. He is a chronic lier. Lies even when there is no need to. And

ofcourse gets caught. He has been up to " Hanky Panky " right from 1995 -

as far as my knowledge goes- and has been caught by his wife just last

week

> >

> > --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Saturday, 4 July, 2009, 7:36 PM

> >

> > Dear Mohit Ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your additional comments and clarification.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:32:05 AM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> >

> > Dear Manoj,

> >

> > Sir u r right tht Sat seeing Venus is always undesireable for men

chart but u see Manoj g tht Saturn being 5th lord sitting in own house

is strongery it maydelay not denial i feel tht and seeing 8th lord who

is also Lagnesh too (which i forgot to write in the last mail ) confirm

this (i feel) & 8th lord being in 5th house then i feel late or deny

children ( got to lot of things wit tht & but in this case 5th lord is

in his own house) & lot of break in affairs & i feel for her wife's i

feel tht sat being 10 n 11th lord and Naks of exclated Jupiter who is

too retro may be she must be Teacher or Teaching sometimes . well Sir i

m too waiting for ur answer . Thanks u so much Mohit

> >

> > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:38 PM

> >

> > Dear Mohit Ji,

> >

> > Those are interesting comments.. I am not sure if Renu ji had the

exact thought process and we will have to wait for her response.

However, hold on to your thoughts and once the results are revealed we

can come back and analyze it.

> >

> > In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:

> >

> > 5th lord seing the 8th in this case..

> >

> > If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your

conclusion?

> > How things need to be interpreted differently in these two cases?

> >

> > Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but Sa is

also 5th L.. Does this make things better or worse?

> >

> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

custody Outcome

> >

> > Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus who is

also 8th lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see from

7th house Mars is in 6th house she is not at all optimistic person too,

Thanks Mohit

> >

> > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) . co.uk> wrote:

> >

> > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

custody Outcome

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Friday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AM

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> >

> > //He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child

custody

> >

> > battle.//

> >

> > This sentence and " will he gain financially. ... " ... " the custody of

the kids.... " ... .

> >

> > ..........all the above made me think that the native is the

innocent party according to your thinking. He is your friend and from

your mail I could infer

> > some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...

> >

> > Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio

from Aries [7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.

> >

> > I may be wrong......let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Dear Renu Ji,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Some how I missed this comment of yours.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent

party. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you that impression? I

was trying to be very careful and not give any indications one way or

the other.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to

claim that the native is the " innocent " party.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Regards,

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > > renunw <renunw@>

> >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> >

> > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM

> >

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

custody Outcome

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Dear Neelam ji,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's

questions on this chart. You should be correct....I think his post makes

us assume that the native is the innocent party.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse....once again Ve, Sun combo

in the 8H, this time that of the spouse... Interesting.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > blessings,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Renu

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear Renu ji,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows

secret

> >

> > > > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.

> >

> > > > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather

than native's,

> >

> > > > if other conditions also prevail...

> >

> > > > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Regards

> >

> > > > Neelam

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart

fits to group's

> >

> > > > > earlier discussion below:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > // " if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as

> > lagna

> >

> > > > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I

should not

> >

> > > > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or

any other girl

> >

> > > > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person will

have any

> >

> > > > > number of relationships in his/her life..//

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in

Scorpio, the

> >

> > > > > house of secrets...

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > blessings,

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Renu

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> >

> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I

have not

> >

> > > > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting it

here since our

> >

> > > > > group is very active..

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.

> >

> > > > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child

custody

> >

> > > > > battle.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Interesting questions for the group are:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

> >

> > > > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with

his wife

> >

> > > > > (soon to be

> > ex-wife)?

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > A bonus question is :

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage

(Marriage happened in

> >

> > > > > 2006)?

> >

> > > > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after

Marriage.

> >

> > > > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and

intruiguing.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this

Native is also

> >

> > > > > welcome.

> >

> > > > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and I will

confirm if I

> >

> > > > > can.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00

Pm (New

> >

> > > > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > If possible please

> > send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@

> >

> > > > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators

agree).

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Regards,

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > -Manoj

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

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>

July 8, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji

even i dont have time to write lengthy replies and accusations like you do.By

the way the mail below was addressed specifically to Mr.Manoj Ji

It is funny that you are answering for the mail.

Regards

Vinoth

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Vinoth kumar ji,

>

> //According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted in

> the forum

> i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who are reading

> this

> groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to share their views

> and

> they consider my postings as teachings which are unwanted for them and

> so i can

> only help the situation by being quiet hereafter.//

>

> Do not look for any sympathy here by writing in this manner .There is no

> harm being done to you. Only crime I have done was to ask you your

> introduction in a polite mail.

>

> I do not think that any member has claimed that only they eligible to

> share. This is falsehood.

>

> You were asked to introduce yourself, only so that your sharing part

> becomes acceptable to others.

>

> Please do not misunderstand. You were requested in a very polite tone to

> please introduce yourself. That is not any wrong being done. When we see

> a large number of postings being made by you, a good participation from

> your side, again a Quiz being put up, and also advises being given to

> members, then I do not see it a wrong doing done on you, by asking your

> credentials. It is human nature to be curious and one wishes to know the

> other before interacting further, which I wanted to do with your

> goodself. It is always better to come out of the envelope of a email id

> and appear to be human in front of others.

>

> I hope you do not shoot back a lengthy reply. I have no time for such

> exchanges. If You feel that you do not have necessary

> age/experience/qualifications to substantiate your teachinggs, then its

> fine with us.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , Vinothkumar Md

> <vinothkumarmd@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj Ji

> >

> > The comments from C.S.Patel Ji you quoted does not indicate to me that

> Rashi placement of a planet is irrelevant.As you quoted " Rashi is Dasha

> and navamsa is antardasha " i am considering the following for

> discussion.

> >

> > If dasa lord is maraka and antardasa lord is yogakaraka ,what will an

> astrolger comment-1.Death of a person anytime during the Dasha(even in

> yogakaraka antardasha) or Prosperity and riches only in yogakaraka

> dasa(expecting death will not happen in this antardasha)?What if death

> does not occur in that maraka dasha?

> >

> > We will not definte answers for the above if we are going to consider

> only the planets which refers to mahadasha lord and antardasha lord

> >

> > Relevance of Rashi and navamsha positions is the same as that of the

> above example if taken as an anology.we cannot declare any planetary

> position in any of the varga charts as irrelevant .

> >

> > As an astrologer(novice or Experienced However he may be) he is

> supposed to give the predictions juding various sources of strengths of

> planets and bhavas which i am sure you yourself might know as you look a

> learned person in this forum to me.For the same reason we cannot fix any

> effect like 50/50 or 75/25 for any chart.

> >

> > " Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False " -----This is

> true if taken as a seperate point.

> > / " MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement

> can better it. " --This is true if taken in the context of a single chart

> under study.I wanted to convey this point only with reference to a

> single chart and not as a general dictum.I apologise if it is wrongly

> understood.

> >

> > According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted in

> the forum i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who

> are reading this groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to

> share their views and they consider my postings as teachings which are

> unwanted for them and so i can only help the situation by being quiet

> hereafter.

> >

> > So i have decided not to share any points after this mail and i also

> feel it is good for anybody to listen to the views of senior astrologers

> with lots of experience than from a newbie.

> >

> > Regarding navamsha placement ,i would like to express my view based on

> the study of Devakeralam and so this is not my personal experience.

> >

> > Which Shri C.S.PatelJi himself considered a valuable treasure and

> conducted free classes on Devakeralam to share his knowledge out of

> study of chandrakalanadi

> >

> > I dont know to type sanskrit.So i am giving only the English

> Translation By santhanamJi and i am referring the page number and Shloka

> number so that you can find them in the book.

> >

> > volume 2-Pg 78,shloka 28

> >

> > Even a son of the ruler of the (whole)earth will become the head of

> the underworld patala(i.e.They will steep,irreconcilable fall in

> position) will earn his meal by beggary and will be chief among naked

> ascetics when all the planets are in exaltation signs and debilitation

> navamsas.

> >

> > volume 2,pg 78 shloka 29

> >

> > A planet in exaltation sign and debilitation navamsa will be

> grievous.The one in debilitation sign with exalted navamsa will be a

> source of happiness.

> >

> > volume 2-pg 78,shloka 32

> >

> > (a) If a planet is debilitated in Rasi but begets his exaltation

> navamsa,the person will be rich and will enjoy many pleasures.If the

> said debilitated planet is in the navamsa of a yogakaraka,birth in a

> prosperous family is denoted.

> >

> > There are other shlokas also which emphasize the points mentioned

> above,but i feel these are the exact ones for our discussion here.

> >

> > Based on the verses in Devakeralam(chandrakala Nadi), i am given to

> understand that Navamsha has the power to increase the effects of

> planetary placement in Rashi .In places where Rasi placement is bad but

> navamsa placement is good,navamsa definetely overpowers the rashi to

> give good results to the native.When Rashi placement is bad and navamsha

> placement is also bad,the evil effects are much pronounced.As Navamsa

> shows the fruits of the horoscope we have to give due importance to a

> planets placement when we find it debilitated in Rashi.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Vinoth

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@

> >

> > Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:51:31 PM

> > Re: Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome: Vinothkumar Ji

> >

> > Dear Vinothkumar Ji,

> >

> > You wrote:

> >

> > // MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement

> can better it. //

> >

> > I am concerned with the above statement because there are many in this

> Group who are not very experienced and when we make such statements,

> they may assume it is true. Debilitation of ANY planet in Rasi is VERY

> RELEVANT. The two statements above do not necessarily go with each

> other. One is True the other is blatantly False.

> >

> > Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False

> >

> > Navamsa placement CAN better it :- True

> >

> > How much better? Does Navamsha over power the Rashi? Is Rashi/Navamsha

> 50/50 effect? Is Rashi/Navamsha 75/25 effect? Or is Rashi/Navamsha 25/75

> effect?

> >

> > Here are some of the comments from the CS Patel Book you are referring

> to:

> >

> > // Rashi is Maha Dasha, Navamsha is Antar Dasha //

> > // Rashi is like a photograph, Navamsha is like an Xray //

> >

> > Do these comments indicate to you that Rashi placement is Irrelevant?

> or Are you talking from personal experience?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > ________________________________

> > " vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com " <vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, July 6, 2009 9:59:36 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome

> >

> > An observation

> >

> > I have noticed that if Mercury as 3rd lord from lagna is debilitated

> in Rasi and navamsa,the native will marry a person whose father has died

> >

> > 3 rd house is father-in law house

> >

> > MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement

> can better it.If Debilitated in navamsa also the person will have

> difficulties in conveying his ideasto others ,bit of anxiety casuing

> inclarity in language he speaks though he may be well proficient in the

> languages concerned

> >

> > Vinoth

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@

> ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > Thank you for your response. Yes, the person does take hasty and

> reckless decisions often. DOes not appear to have any control over his

> speech and actions many a time. Moreover, the mind does not think

> straight at all. He always prefers devious methods of functioning. Even

> in speech, the answers are never straight. If he says 10%, 90% is left

> to your imagination. Even then one can't be sure of what he is saying.

> After all imaginations do have a tendency of running wild......

> > > BUt thanks for your clarification. . Especially about mars aspect on

> moon.

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...>

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 8:22 AM

> > >

> > > Mars aspect on Moon makes already fast planet even faster.

> > > This makes the Mann ashant - restless. It can trouble the person and

> also make him/her take impatient decisions. Weather the decisions are

> hanky- panky is also dependant on other benefic/malefic aspects,

> conjunction & placement.

> > > I have mars aspecting moon in natal chart buy no hanky-panky till

> now. And looks unlikely in future.

> > >

> > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 9:48 AM

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > Dear Manoj ji, it is me Anita. I think I forgot to sign my name at

> the bottom. Apologies.

> > > His mercury is debilitated. I want to know what impact do kuja,

> retro guru, retro shani might have on his psyche.

> > > regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 5:18 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Ash Ji (sorry if this is wrong since you did not sign your

> name),

> > >

> > > For false speech, 2nd house, 2nd lord and Mercury's status are very

> important. Do we know the condition of Me in this chart (ofcourse

> without ascendant it is tough).

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > " ash.rsh55 " ash.rsh55 >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:15:27 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > > while we are on the topic of divorce, possible extra marital affairs

> etc. I would like to raise a point which has beeb bugging me for a long

> time. I do not know if this is the right time to raise this but it is

> certainly connected to the topic. If the moderators feel the time is not

> ripe for this query, perhaps they will withold this mail until Manoj ji

> announces the result of the fascinating quiz he has come up with.

> > > Moon , the house he is occupying, the aspects he gets are primarily

> responsibl e for our mental set up. I want to know, what is the impact

> of benefics / malefics occupying 6th, 8th and 12th from moon?

> > > Eg: a friend has moon in taurus, retro guru with retro saturn in

> dhanu which is 8th house from taurus, has mars in kumbha casting 4th

> house aspect on moon. I do not have his time of birth but only the date

> of birth. He is a chronic lier. Lies even when there is no need to. And

> ofcourse gets caught. He has been up to " Hanky Panky " right from 1995 -

> as far as my knowledge goes- and has been caught by his wife just last

> week

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Saturday, 4 July, 2009, 7:36 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohit Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your additional comments and clarification.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > > Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:32:05 AM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj,

> > >

> > > Sir u r right tht Sat seeing Venus is always undesireable for men

> chart but u see Manoj g tht Saturn being 5th lord sitting in own house

> is strongery it maydelay not denial i feel tht and seeing 8th lord who

> is also Lagnesh too (which i forgot to write in the last mail ) confirm

> this (i feel) & 8th lord being in 5th house then i feel late or deny

> children ( got to lot of things wit tht & but in this case 5th lord is

> in his own house) & lot of break in affairs & i feel for her wife's i

> feel tht sat being 10 n 11th lord and Naks of exclated Jupiter who is

> too retro may be she must be Teacher or Teaching sometimes . well Sir i

> m too waiting for ur answer . Thanks u so much Mohit

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > > Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:38 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohit Ji,

> > >

> > > Those are interesting comments.. I am not sure if Renu ji had the

> exact thought process and we will have to wait for her response.

> However, hold on to your thoughts and once the results are revealed we

> can come back and analyze it.

> > >

> > > In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:

> > >

> > > 5th lord seing the 8th in this case..

> > >

> > > If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your

> conclusion?

> > > How things need to be interpreted differently in these two cases?

> > >

> > > Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but Sa is

> also 5th L.. Does this make things better or worse?

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome

> > >

> > > Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus who is

> also 8th lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see from

> 7th house Mars is in 6th house she is not at all optimistic person too,

> Thanks Mohit

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) . co.uk> wrote:

> > >

> > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Friday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > >

> > > //He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child

> custody

> > >

> > > battle.//

> > >

> > > This sentence and " will he gain financially. ... " ... " the custody of

> the kids.... " ... .

> > >

> > > ..........all the above made me think that the native is the

> innocent party according to your thinking. He is your friend and from

> your mail I could infer

> > > some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...

> > >

> > > Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio

> from Aries [7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.

> > >

> > > I may be wrong......let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Renu Ji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Some how I missed this comment of yours.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent

> party. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you that impression? I

> was trying to be very careful and not give any indications one way or

> the other.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to

> claim that the native is the " innocent " party.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Regards,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > > renunw <renunw@>

> > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >

> > > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM

> > >

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's

> questions on this chart. You should be correct....I think his post makes

> us assume that the native is the innocent party.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse....once again Ve, Sun combo

> in the 8H, this time that of the spouse... Interesting.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > blessings,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Renu

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows

> secret

> > >

> > > > > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.

> > >

> > > > > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather

> than native's,

> > >

> > > > > if other conditions also prevail...

> > >

> > > > > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Regards

> > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart

> fits to group's

> > >

> > > > > > earlier discussion below:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > // " if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as

> > > lagna

> > >

> > > > > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I

> should not

> > >

> > > > > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or

> any other girl

> > >

> > > > > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person will

> have any

> > >

> > > > > > number of relationships in his/her life..//

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in

> Scorpio, the

> > >

> > > > > > house of secrets...

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > blessings,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > >

> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I

> have not

> > >

> > > > > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting it

> here since our

> > >

> > > > > > group is very active..

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.

> > >

> > > > > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child

> custody

> > >

> > > > > > battle.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Interesting questions for the group are:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

> > >

> > > > > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with

> his wife

> > >

> > > > > > (soon to be

> > > ex-wife)?

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > A bonus question is :

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage

> (Marriage happened in

> > >

> > > > > > 2006)?

> > >

> > > > > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after

> Marriage.

> > >

> > > > > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and

> intruiguing.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this

> Native is also

> > >

> > > > > > welcome.

> > >

> > > > > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and I will

> confirm if I

> > >

> > > > > > can.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00

> Pm (New

> > >

> > > > > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > If possible please

> > > send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@

> > >

> > > > > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators

> agree).

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

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>

July 8, 2009

Dear Vinoth kumar ji and other friends,

Working on these Internet Groups since last three years has made me

extra cautious. Most of us working here for long and active

participants, over a period of time develop some inimical relations

with certain members who always enjoy to oppose, dissent and contradict

whatever one writes. In My case, I have been a victim of the worst

treatment from so called senior astrologer Moderator CEO, and few

naturally born lunatics as well as many of those free mongers who turned

against me the moment I put a brake on supplying them free predictions

24x7 of the year. Most of these having no better work to do, with hate

and evil intentions in their hearts, come back to hit , with spurious e

mail ids. There are a few more wiser ones in this lot, who come and talk

sweetly initially and as soon as you get some what friendly with them

and unsuspecting , they strike.

Keeping such fears in mind, and also wishing to interact more with

members like Vinothkumarji , I always like to know the other person a

little better than just his postings here, so that I can go ahead and

interact in a more profuse manner keeping my suspicions and fears at

bay, once the issue of introductions is resolved.

I feel that we should not hold back in asking the opposite person about

himself, if we wish to increase our relations with him.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Vinoth kumar ji,

>

> //According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted

in

> the forum

> i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who are

reading

> this

> groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to share their

views

> and

> they consider my postings as teachings which are unwanted for them and

> so i can

> only help the situation by being quiet hereafter.//

>

> Do not look for any sympathy here by writing in this manner .There is

no

> harm being done to you. Only crime I have done was to ask you your

> introduction in a polite mail.

>

> I do not think that any member has claimed that only they eligible to

> share. This is falsehood.

>

> You were asked to introduce yourself, only so that your sharing part

> becomes acceptable to others.

>

> Please do not misunderstand. You were requested in a very polite tone

to

> please introduce yourself. That is not any wrong being done. When we

see

> a large number of postings being made by you, a good participation

from

> your side, again a Quiz being put up, and also advises being given to

> members, then I do not see it a wrong doing done on you, by asking

your

> credentials. It is human nature to be curious and one wishes to know

the

> other before interacting further, which I wanted to do with your

> goodself. It is always better to come out of the envelope of a email

id

> and appear to be human in front of others.

>

> I hope you do not shoot back a lengthy reply. I have no time for such

> exchanges. If You feel that you do not have necessary

> age/experience/qualifications to substantiate your teachinggs, then

its

> fine with us.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , Vinothkumar Md

> vinothkumarmd@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj Ji

> >

> > The comments from C.S.Patel Ji you quoted does not indicate to me

that

> Rashi placement of a planet is irrelevant.As you quoted " Rashi is

Dasha

> and navamsa is antardasha " i am considering the following for

> discussion.

> >

> > If dasa lord is maraka and antardasa lord is yogakaraka ,what will

an

> astrolger comment-1.Death of a person anytime during the Dasha(even in

> yogakaraka antardasha) or Prosperity and riches only in yogakaraka

> dasa(expecting death will not happen in this antardasha)?What if death

> does not occur in that maraka dasha?

> >

> > We will not definte answers for the above if we are going to

consider

> only the planets which refers to mahadasha lord and antardasha lord

> >

> > Relevance of Rashi and navamsha positions is the same as that of the

> above example if taken as an anology.we cannot declare any planetary

> position in any of the varga charts as irrelevant .

> >

> > As an astrologer(novice or Experienced However he may be) he is

> supposed to give the predictions juding various sources of strengths

of

> planets and bhavas which i am sure you yourself might know as you look

a

> learned person in this forum to me.For the same reason we cannot fix

any

> effect like 50/50 or 75/25 for any chart.

> >

> > " Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False " -----This

is

> true if taken as a seperate point.

> > / " MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa

placement

> can better it. " --This is true if taken in the context of a single

chart

> under study.I wanted to convey this point only with reference to a

> single chart and not as a general dictum.I apologise if it is wrongly

> understood.

> >

> > According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted

in

> the forum i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who

> are reading this groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible

to

> share their views and they consider my postings as teachings which are

> unwanted for them and so i can only help the situation by being quiet

> hereafter.

> >

> > So i have decided not to share any points after this mail and i also

> feel it is good for anybody to listen to the views of senior

astrologers

> with lots of experience than from a newbie.

> >

> > Regarding navamsha placement ,i would like to express my view based

on

> the study of Devakeralam and so this is not my personal experience.

> >

> > Which Shri C.S.PatelJi himself considered a valuable treasure and

> conducted free classes on Devakeralam to share his knowledge out of

> study of chandrakalanadi

> >

> > I dont know to type sanskrit.So i am giving only the English

> Translation By santhanamJi and i am referring the page number and

Shloka

> number so that you can find them in the book.

> >

> > volume 2-Pg 78,shloka 28

> >

> > Even a son of the ruler of the (whole)earth will become the head of

> the underworld patala(i.e.They will steep,irreconcilable fall in

> position) will earn his meal by beggary and will be chief among naked

> ascetics when all the planets are in exaltation signs and debilitation

> navamsas.

> >

> > volume 2,pg 78 shloka 29

> >

> > A planet in exaltation sign and debilitation navamsa will be

> grievous.The one in debilitation sign with exalted navamsa will be a

> source of happiness.

> >

> > volume 2-pg 78,shloka 32

> >

> > (a) If a planet is debilitated in Rasi but begets his exaltation

> navamsa,the person will be rich and will enjoy many pleasures.If the

> said debilitated planet is in the navamsa of a yogakaraka,birth in a

> prosperous family is denoted.

> >

> > There are other shlokas also which emphasize the points mentioned

> above,but i feel these are the exact ones for our discussion here.

> >

> > Based on the verses in Devakeralam(chandrakala Nadi), i am given to

> understand that Navamsha has the power to increase the effects of

> planetary placement in Rashi .In places where Rasi placement is bad

but

> navamsa placement is good,navamsa definetely overpowers the rashi to

> give good results to the native.When Rashi placement is bad and

navamsha

> placement is also bad,the evil effects are much pronounced.As Navamsa

> shows the fruits of the horoscope we have to give due importance to a

> planets placement when we find it debilitated in Rashi.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Vinoth

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@

> >

> > Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:51:31 PM

> > Re: Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome: Vinothkumar Ji

> >

> > Dear Vinothkumar Ji,

> >

> > You wrote:

> >

> > // MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa

placement

> can better it. //

> >

> > I am concerned with the above statement because there are many in

this

> Group who are not very experienced and when we make such statements,

> they may assume it is true. Debilitation of ANY planet in Rasi is VERY

> RELEVANT. The two statements above do not necessarily go with each

> other. One is True the other is blatantly False.

> >

> > Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False

> >

> > Navamsa placement CAN better it :- True

> >

> > How much better? Does Navamsha over power the Rashi? Is

Rashi/Navamsha

> 50/50 effect? Is Rashi/Navamsha 75/25 effect? Or is Rashi/Navamsha

25/75

> effect?

> >

> > Here are some of the comments from the CS Patel Book you are

referring

> to:

> >

> > // Rashi is Maha Dasha, Navamsha is Antar Dasha //

> > // Rashi is like a photograph, Navamsha is like an Xray //

> >

> > Do these comments indicate to you that Rashi placement is

Irrelevant?

> or Are you talking from personal experience?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > ________________________________

> > " vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com " <vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, July 6, 2009 9:59:36 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome

> >

> > An observation

> >

> > I have noticed that if Mercury as 3rd lord from lagna is debilitated

> in Rasi and navamsa,the native will marry a person whose father has

died

> >

> > 3 rd house is father-in law house

> >

> > MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement

> can better it.If Debilitated in navamsa also the person will have

> difficulties in conveying his ideasto others ,bit of anxiety casuing

> inclarity in language he speaks though he may be well proficient in

the

> languages concerned

> >

> > Vinoth

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R

ash.rsh55@

> ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > Thank you for your response. Yes, the person does take hasty and

> reckless decisions often. DOes not appear to have any control over his

> speech and actions many a time. Moreover, the mind does not think

> straight at all. He always prefers devious methods of functioning.

Even

> in speech, the answers are never straight. If he says 10%, 90% is left

> to your imagination. Even then one can't be sure of what he is saying.

> After all imaginations do have a tendency of running wild......

> > > BUt thanks for your clarification. . Especially about mars aspect

on

> moon.

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...>

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 8:22 AM

> > >

> > > Mars aspect on Moon makes already fast planet even faster.

> > > This makes the Mann ashant - restless. It can trouble the person

and

> also make him/her take impatient decisions. Weather the decisions are

> hanky- panky is also dependant on other benefic/malefic aspects,

> conjunction & placement.

> > > I have mars aspecting moon in natal chart buy no hanky-panky till

> now. And looks unlikely in future.

> > >

> > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 9:48 AM

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > Dear Manoj ji, it is me Anita. I think I forgot to sign my name at

> the bottom. Apologies.

> > > His mercury is debilitated. I want to know what impact do kuja,

> retro guru, retro shani might have on his psyche.

> > > regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 5:18 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Ash Ji (sorry if this is wrong since you did not sign your

> name),

> > >

> > > For false speech, 2nd house, 2nd lord and Mercury's status are

very

> important. Do we know the condition of Me in this chart (ofcourse

> without ascendant it is tough).

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > " ash.rsh55 " ash.rsh55 >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:15:27 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > > while we are on the topic of divorce, possible extra marital

affairs

> etc. I would like to raise a point which has beeb bugging me for a

long

> time. I do not know if this is the right time to raise this but it is

> certainly connected to the topic. If the moderators feel the time is

not

> ripe for this query, perhaps they will withold this mail until Manoj

ji

> announces the result of the fascinating quiz he has come up with.

> > > Moon , the house he is occupying, the aspects he gets are

primarily

> responsibl e for our mental set up. I want to know, what is the impact

> of benefics / malefics occupying 6th, 8th and 12th from moon?

> > > Eg: a friend has moon in taurus, retro guru with retro saturn in

> dhanu which is 8th house from taurus, has mars in kumbha casting 4th

> house aspect on moon. I do not have his time of birth but only the

date

> of birth. He is a chronic lier. Lies even when there is no need to.

And

> ofcourse gets caught. He has been up to " Hanky Panky " right from 1995

-

> as far as my knowledge goes- and has been caught by his wife just last

> week

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Saturday, 4 July, 2009, 7:36 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohit Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your additional comments and clarification.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > > Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:32:05 AM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj,

> > >

> > > Sir u r right tht Sat seeing Venus is always undesireable for men

> chart but u see Manoj g tht Saturn being 5th lord sitting in own house

> is strongery it maydelay not denial i feel tht and seeing 8th lord who

> is also Lagnesh too (which i forgot to write in the last mail )

confirm

> this (i feel) & 8th lord being in 5th house then i feel late or deny

> children ( got to lot of things wit tht & but in this case 5th lord is

> in his own house) & lot of break in affairs & i feel for her wife's i

> feel tht sat being 10 n 11th lord and Naks of exclated Jupiter who is

> too retro may be she must be Teacher or Teaching sometimes . well Sir

i

> m too waiting for ur answer . Thanks u so much Mohit

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > > Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:38 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohit Ji,

> > >

> > > Those are interesting comments.. I am not sure if Renu ji had the

> exact thought process and we will have to wait for her response.

> However, hold on to your thoughts and once the results are revealed we

> can come back and analyze it.

> > >

> > > In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:

> > >

> > > 5th lord seing the 8th in this case..

> > >

> > > If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your

> conclusion?

> > > How things need to be interpreted differently in these two cases?

> > >

> > > Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but Sa

is

> also 5th L.. Does this make things better or worse?

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome

> > >

> > > Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus who

is

> also 8th lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see

from

> 7th house Mars is in 6th house she is not at all optimistic person

too,

> Thanks Mohit

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) . co.uk> wrote:

> > >

> > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Friday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > >

> > > //He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child

> custody

> > >

> > > battle.//

> > >

> > > This sentence and " will he gain financially. ... " ... " the custody

of

> the kids.... " ... .

> > >

> > > ..........all the above made me think that the native is the

> innocent party according to your thinking. He is your friend and from

> your mail I could infer

> > > some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...

> > >

> > > Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio

> from Aries [7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.

> > >

> > > I may be wrong......let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Renu Ji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Some how I missed this comment of yours.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " I think his post makes us assume that the native is the

innocent

> party. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you that impression? I

> was trying to be very careful and not give any indications one way or

> the other.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to

> claim that the native is the " innocent " party.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Regards,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > > renunw <renunw@>

> > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >

> > > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM

> > >

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child

> custody Outcome

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's

> questions on this chart. You should be correct....I think his post

makes

> us assume that the native is the innocent party.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse....once again Ve, Sun

combo

> in the 8H, this time that of the spouse... Interesting.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > blessings,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Renu

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows

> secret

> > >

> > > > > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.

> > >

> > > > > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather

> than native's,

> > >

> > > > > if other conditions also prevail...

> > >

> > > > > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Regards

> > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart

> fits to group's

> > >

> > > > > > earlier discussion below:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > // " if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as

> > > lagna

> > >

> > > > > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I

> should not

> > >

> > > > > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or

> any other girl

> > >

> > > > > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person

will

> have any

> > >

> > > > > > number of relationships in his/her life..//

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in

> Scorpio, the

> > >

> > > > > > house of secrets...

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > blessings,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > >

> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I

> have not

> > >

> > > > > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting it

> here since our

> > >

> > > > > > group is very active..

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.

> > >

> > > > > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and

child

> custody

> > >

> > > > > > battle.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Interesting questions for the group are:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

> > >

> > > > > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50

with

> his wife

> > >

> > > > > > (soon to be

> > > ex-wife)?

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > A bonus question is :

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage

> (Marriage happened in

> > >

> > > > > > 2006)?

> > >

> > > > > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after

> Marriage.

> > >

> > > > > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and

> intruiguing.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this

> Native is also

> > >

> > > > > > welcome.

> > >

> > > > > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and I

will

> confirm if I

> > >

> > > > > > can.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time

5:00

> Pm (New

> > >

> > > > > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > If possible please

> > > send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@

> > >

> > > > > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators

> agree).

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

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>

July 8, 2009

Boss,

When taunts and sarcasm are thrown then these do not go unnoticed.

Chote mooh badi baat karna choton ko shobha nahin deta. Everybody has

the opportunity to open his mouth big when he grows up. So will you get.

Better that one gets a degree of MBBS before one opens a dispensary and

invites patients to his chamber. Thothi baat karne se kuch nahin hota .

Calibre badhaaiye apna. Badon ke saamne uddandata acchi nahin hoti.

I like it that you found my mail funny. At least I made you smile. You

have not been able to produce a smile on me uptil now.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vinothkumarmd "

<vinothkumarmd wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> even i dont have time to write lengthy replies and accusations like

you do.By the way the mail below was addressed specifically to Mr.Manoj

Ji

>

> It is funny that you are answering for the mail.

>

> Regards

>

> Vinoth

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinoth kumar ji,

> >

> > //According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted

in

> > the forum

> > i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who are

reading

> > this

> > groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to share their

views

> > and

> > they consider my postings as teachings which are unwanted for them

and

> > so i can

> > only help the situation by being quiet hereafter.//

> >

> > Do not look for any sympathy here by writing in this manner .There

is no

> > harm being done to you. Only crime I have done was to ask you your

> > introduction in a polite mail.

> >

> > I do not think that any member has claimed that only they eligible

to

> > share. This is falsehood.

> >

> > You were asked to introduce yourself, only so that your sharing part

> > becomes acceptable to others.

> >

> > Please do not misunderstand. You were requested in a very polite

tone to

> > please introduce yourself. That is not any wrong being done. When we

see

> > a large number of postings being made by you, a good participation

from

> > your side, again a Quiz being put up, and also advises being given

to

> > members, then I do not see it a wrong doing done on you, by asking

your

> > credentials. It is human nature to be curious and one wishes to know

the

> > other before interacting further, which I wanted to do with your

> > goodself. It is always better to come out of the envelope of a email

id

> > and appear to be human in front of others.

> >

> > I hope you do not shoot back a lengthy reply. I have no time for

such

> > exchanges. If You feel that you do not have necessary

> > age/experience/qualifications to substantiate your teachinggs, then

its

> > fine with us.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Vinothkumar Md

> > <vinothkumarmd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj Ji

> > >

> > > The comments from C.S.Patel Ji you quoted does not indicate to me

that

> > Rashi placement of a planet is irrelevant.As you quoted " Rashi is

Dasha

> > and navamsa is antardasha " i am considering the following for

> > discussion.

> > >

> > > If dasa lord is maraka and antardasa lord is yogakaraka ,what will

an

> > astrolger comment-1.Death of a person anytime during the Dasha(even

in

> > yogakaraka antardasha) or Prosperity and riches only in yogakaraka

> > dasa(expecting death will not happen in this antardasha)?What if

death

> > does not occur in that maraka dasha?

> > >

> > > We will not definte answers for the above if we are going to

consider

> > only the planets which refers to mahadasha lord and antardasha lord

> > >

> > > Relevance of Rashi and navamsha positions is the same as that of

the

> > above example if taken as an anology.we cannot declare any planetary

> > position in any of the varga charts as irrelevant .

> > >

> > > As an astrologer(novice or Experienced However he may be) he is

> > supposed to give the predictions juding various sources of strengths

of

> > planets and bhavas which i am sure you yourself might know as you

look a

> > learned person in this forum to me.For the same reason we cannot fix

any

> > effect like 50/50 or 75/25 for any chart.

> > >

> > > " Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False "

-----This is

> > true if taken as a seperate point.

> > > / " MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa

placement

> > can better it. " --This is true if taken in the context of a single

chart

> > under study.I wanted to convey this point only with reference to a

> > single chart and not as a general dictum.I apologise if it is

wrongly

> > understood.

> > >

> > > According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted

in

> > the forum i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member

who

> > are reading this groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible

to

> > share their views and they consider my postings as teachings which

are

> > unwanted for them and so i can only help the situation by being

quiet

> > hereafter.

> > >

> > > So i have decided not to share any points after this mail and i

also

> > feel it is good for anybody to listen to the views of senior

astrologers

> > with lots of experience than from a newbie.

> > >

> > > Regarding navamsha placement ,i would like to express my view

based on

> > the study of Devakeralam and so this is not my personal experience.

> > >

> > > Which Shri C.S.PatelJi himself considered a valuable treasure and

> > conducted free classes on Devakeralam to share his knowledge out of

> > study of chandrakalanadi

> > >

> > > I dont know to type sanskrit.So i am giving only the English

> > Translation By santhanamJi and i am referring the page number and

Shloka

> > number so that you can find them in the book.

> > >

> > > volume 2-Pg 78,shloka 28

> > >

> > > Even a son of the ruler of the (whole)earth will become the head

of

> > the underworld patala(i.e.They will steep,irreconcilable fall in

> > position) will earn his meal by beggary and will be chief among

naked

> > ascetics when all the planets are in exaltation signs and

debilitation

> > navamsas.

> > >

> > > volume 2,pg 78 shloka 29

> > >

> > > A planet in exaltation sign and debilitation navamsa will be

> > grievous.The one in debilitation sign with exalted navamsa will be a

> > source of happiness.

> > >

> > > volume 2-pg 78,shloka 32

> > >

> > > (a) If a planet is debilitated in Rasi but begets his exaltation

> > navamsa,the person will be rich and will enjoy many pleasures.If the

> > said debilitated planet is in the navamsa of a yogakaraka,birth in a

> > prosperous family is denoted.

> > >

> > > There are other shlokas also which emphasize the points mentioned

> > above,but i feel these are the exact ones for our discussion here.

> > >

> > > Based on the verses in Devakeralam(chandrakala Nadi), i am given

to

> > understand that Navamsha has the power to increase the effects of

> > planetary placement in Rashi .In places where Rasi placement is bad

but

> > navamsa placement is good,navamsa definetely overpowers the rashi to

> > give good results to the native.When Rashi placement is bad and

navamsha

> > placement is also bad,the evil effects are much pronounced.As

Navamsa

> > shows the fruits of the horoscope we have to give due importance to

a

> > planets placement when we find it debilitated in Rashi.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Vinoth

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@

> > >

> > > Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:51:31 PM

> > > Re: Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome: Vinothkumar Ji

> > >

> > > Dear Vinothkumar Ji,

> > >

> > > You wrote:

> > >

> > > // MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa

placement

> > can better it. //

> > >

> > > I am concerned with the above statement because there are many in

this

> > Group who are not very experienced and when we make such statements,

> > they may assume it is true. Debilitation of ANY planet in Rasi is

VERY

> > RELEVANT. The two statements above do not necessarily go with each

> > other. One is True the other is blatantly False.

> > >

> > > Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False

> > >

> > > Navamsa placement CAN better it :- True

> > >

> > > How much better? Does Navamsha over power the Rashi? Is

Rashi/Navamsha

> > 50/50 effect? Is Rashi/Navamsha 75/25 effect? Or is Rashi/Navamsha

25/75

> > effect?

> > >

> > > Here are some of the comments from the CS Patel Book you are

referring

> > to:

> > >

> > > // Rashi is Maha Dasha, Navamsha is Antar Dasha //

> > > // Rashi is like a photograph, Navamsha is like an Xray //

> > >

> > > Do these comments indicate to you that Rashi placement is

Irrelevant?

> > or Are you talking from personal experience?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > " vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com " <vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, July 6, 2009 9:59:36 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome

> > >

> > > An observation

> > >

> > > I have noticed that if Mercury as 3rd lord from lagna is

debilitated

> > in Rasi and navamsa,the native will marry a person whose father has

died

> > >

> > > 3 rd house is father-in law house

> > >

> > > MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa

placement

> > can better it.If Debilitated in navamsa also the person will have

> > difficulties in conveying his ideasto others ,bit of anxiety casuing

> > inclarity in language he speaks though he may be well proficient in

the

> > languages concerned

> > >

> > > Vinoth

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R

ash.rsh55@

> > ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > Thank you for your response. Yes, the person does take hasty and

> > reckless decisions often. DOes not appear to have any control over

his

> > speech and actions many a time. Moreover, the mind does not think

> > straight at all. He always prefers devious methods of functioning.

Even

> > in speech, the answers are never straight. If he says 10%, 90% is

left

> > to your imagination. Even then one can't be sure of what he is

saying.

> > After all imaginations do have a tendency of running wild......

> > > > BUt thanks for your clarification. . Especially about mars

aspect on

> > moon.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...>

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 8:22 AM

> > > >

> > > > Mars aspect on Moon makes already fast planet even faster.

> > > > This makes the Mann ashant - restless. It can trouble the person

and

> > also make him/her take impatient decisions. Weather the decisions

are

> > hanky- panky is also dependant on other benefic/malefic aspects,

> > conjunction & placement.

> > > > I have mars aspecting moon in natal chart buy no hanky-panky

till

> > now. And looks unlikely in future.

> > > >

> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 9:48 AM

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > > Dear Manoj ji, it is me Anita. I think I forgot to sign my name

at

> > the bottom. Apologies.

> > > > His mercury is debilitated. I want to know what impact do kuja,

> > retro guru, retro shani might have on his psyche.

> > > > regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 5/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 5:18 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash Ji (sorry if this is wrong since you did not sign your

> > name),

> > > >

> > > > For false speech, 2nd house, 2nd lord and Mercury's status are

very

> > important. Do we know the condition of Me in this chart (ofcourse

> > without ascendant it is tough).

> > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > " ash.rsh55 " ash.rsh55 >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:15:27 PM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > > while we are on the topic of divorce, possible extra marital

affairs

> > etc. I would like to raise a point which has beeb bugging me for a

long

> > time. I do not know if this is the right time to raise this but it

is

> > certainly connected to the topic. If the moderators feel the time is

not

> > ripe for this query, perhaps they will withold this mail until Manoj

ji

> > announces the result of the fascinating quiz he has come up with.

> > > > Moon , the house he is occupying, the aspects he gets are

primarily

> > responsibl e for our mental set up. I want to know, what is the

impact

> > of benefics / malefics occupying 6th, 8th and 12th from moon?

> > > > Eg: a friend has moon in taurus, retro guru with retro saturn in

> > dhanu which is 8th house from taurus, has mars in kumbha casting 4th

> > house aspect on moon. I do not have his time of birth but only the

date

> > of birth. He is a chronic lier. Lies even when there is no need to.

And

> > ofcourse gets caught. He has been up to " Hanky Panky " right from

1995 -

> > as far as my knowledge goes- and has been caught by his wife just

last

> > week

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Saturday, 4 July, 2009, 7:36 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohit Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your additional comments and clarification.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > > > Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:32:05 AM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj,

> > > >

> > > > Sir u r right tht Sat seeing Venus is always undesireable for

men

> > chart but u see Manoj g tht Saturn being 5th lord sitting in own

house

> > is strongery it maydelay not denial i feel tht and seeing 8th lord

who

> > is also Lagnesh too (which i forgot to write in the last mail )

confirm

> > this (i feel) & 8th lord being in 5th house then i feel late or deny

> > children ( got to lot of things wit tht & but in this case 5th lord

is

> > in his own house) & lot of break in affairs & i feel for her wife's

i

> > feel tht sat being 10 n 11th lord and Naks of exclated Jupiter who

is

> > too retro may be she must be Teacher or Teaching sometimes . well

Sir i

> > m too waiting for ur answer . Thanks u so much Mohit

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > > > Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:38 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohit Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Those are interesting comments.. I am not sure if Renu ji had

the

> > exact thought process and we will have to wait for her response.

> > However, hold on to your thoughts and once the results are revealed

we

> > can come back and analyze it.

> > > >

> > > > In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:

> > > >

> > > > 5th lord seing the 8th in this case..

> > > >

> > > > If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your

> > conclusion?

> > > > How things need to be interpreted differently in these two

cases?

> > > >

> > > > Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but

Sa is

> > also 5th L.. Does this make things better or worse?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome

> > > >

> > > > Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus

who is

> > also 8th lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see

from

> > 7th house Mars is in 6th house she is not at all optimistic person

too,

> > Thanks Mohit

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) . co.uk> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Friday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > >

> > > > //He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child

> > custody

> > > >

> > > > battle.//

> > > >

> > > > This sentence and " will he gain financially. ... " ... " the custody

of

> > the kids.... " ... .

> > > >

> > > > ..........all the above made me think that the native is the

> > innocent party according to your thinking. He is your friend and

from

> > your mail I could infer

> > > > some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...

> > > >

> > > > Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio

> > from Aries [7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.

> > > >

> > > > I may be wrong......let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj

Chandran

> > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Renu Ji,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Some how I missed this comment of yours.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " I think his post makes us assume that the native is the

innocent

> > party. "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you that impression?

I

> > was trying to be very careful and not give any indications one way

or

> > the other.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to

> > claim that the native is the " innocent " party.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > > renunw <renunw@>

> > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >

> > > > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM

> > > >

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's

> > questions on this chart. You should be correct....I think his post

makes

> > us assume that the native is the innocent party.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse....once again Ve, Sun

combo

> > in the 8H, this time that of the spouse... Interesting.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam

gupta

> > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always

shows

> > secret

> > > >

> > > > > > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.

> > > >

> > > > > > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather

> > than native's,

> > > >

> > > > > > if other conditions also prevail...

> > > >

> > > > > > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart

> > fits to group's

> > > >

> > > > > > > earlier discussion below:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > // " if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as

> > > > lagna

> > > >

> > > > > > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I

> > should not

> > > >

> > > > > > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter

or

> > any other girl

> > > >

> > > > > > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person

will

> > have any

> > > >

> > > > > > > number of relationships in his/her life..//

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed

in

> > Scorpio, the

> > > >

> > > > > > > house of secrets...

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_

> > indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group.

I

> > have not

> > > >

> > > > > > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting

it

> > here since our

> > > >

> > > > > > > group is very active..

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and

child

> > custody

> > > >

> > > > > > > battle.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Interesting questions for the group are:

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this

divorce?

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50

with

> > his wife

> > > >

> > > > > > > (soon to be

> > > > ex-wife)?

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > A bonus question is :

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage

> > (Marriage happened in

> > > >

> > > > > > > 2006)?

> > > >

> > > > > > > > She went back to college and changed her profession

after

> > Marriage.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and

> > intruiguing.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of

this

> > Native is also

> > > >

> > > > > > > welcome.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and I

will

> > confirm if I

> > > >

> > > > > > > can.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time

5:00

> > Pm (New

> > > >

> > > > > > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > If possible please

> > > > send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@

> > > >

> > > > > > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators

> > agree).

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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and

> > more. Click here http://cricket.

> > > >

> > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights

and

> > more.

> > > >

> > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet

> > Explorer 8..

> > > >

> > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet

> > Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 8, 2009

Dear Bhaskarji and friends in the group,

As students of jyotish interacting in the internet it is obvious that some of us

face unwelcome comments and hate emails from people who disbelieve astrology.The

idea of the group is to discuss astrology and explore it.

I also do feel that introduction if members is necessary.It would have been

great if he had waited for some more time(more than 2 hrs).Instead he took a

bossy stance demanding reply and sending accusation mails thereon, which i felt

is inappropriate.I have already posted my introduction yesterday .In fact i know

memebers like bhaskarji only after joining this group.So i did not have any

special interests to oppose him or argue with him.

i dont agree with the point that a young person can not be knowledgeable enough

to discuss astrolgy.I respect each and every student starting from those who

have 1 day experience upto 70 yrs experience.we must accept the fact that the

Gurus who taught us astrology were once 20 years lad when they started learning

astrology.

we must not forget that credentials do not help us in giving correct

predictions.Every new horoscope we see is a new story.Though past experience can

help us a bit ,we must accept that there are innumerable exceptions in

astrology(some known and some still ubknown) which apply in each chart and that

is why astrolgy is regarded as a divine science and our seers have recommended

astrolgoers to be humble always.

I would also like to interact with members liKe BhaskarJi and i must say he was

very kind when i spoke to him few days back.

I dont want to prolong the discussions of senior-junior debate and

knowledgeable-unknowledgeable debate hereafter as i feel this is an astrology

forum meant for discussion of astrology and astrology related things and not

heated discussions.

Regards

Vinoth

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Vinoth kumar ji and other friends,

>

> Working on these Internet Groups since last three years has made me

> extra cautious. Most of us working here for long and active

> participants, over a period of time develop some inimical relations

> with certain members who always enjoy to oppose, dissent and contradict

> whatever one writes. In My case, I have been a victim of the worst

> treatment from so called senior astrologer Moderator CEO, and few

> naturally born lunatics as well as many of those free mongers who turned

> against me the moment I put a brake on supplying them free predictions

> 24x7 of the year. Most of these having no better work to do, with hate

> and evil intentions in their hearts, come back to hit , with spurious e

> mail ids. There are a few more wiser ones in this lot, who come and talk

> sweetly initially and as soon as you get some what friendly with them

> and unsuspecting , they strike.

>

> Keeping such fears in mind, and also wishing to interact more with

> members like Vinothkumarji , I always like to know the other person a

> little better than just his postings here, so that I can go ahead and

> interact in a more profuse manner keeping my suspicions and fears at

> bay, once the issue of introductions is resolved.

>

> I feel that we should not hold back in asking the opposite person about

> himself, if we wish to increase our relations with him.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinoth kumar ji,

> >

> > //According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted

> in

> > the forum

> > i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who are

> reading

> > this

> > groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible to share their

> views

> > and

> > they consider my postings as teachings which are unwanted for them and

> > so i can

> > only help the situation by being quiet hereafter.//

> >

> > Do not look for any sympathy here by writing in this manner .There is

> no

> > harm being done to you. Only crime I have done was to ask you your

> > introduction in a polite mail.

> >

> > I do not think that any member has claimed that only they eligible to

> > share. This is falsehood.

> >

> > You were asked to introduce yourself, only so that your sharing part

> > becomes acceptable to others.

> >

> > Please do not misunderstand. You were requested in a very polite tone

> to

> > please introduce yourself. That is not any wrong being done. When we

> see

> > a large number of postings being made by you, a good participation

> from

> > your side, again a Quiz being put up, and also advises being given to

> > members, then I do not see it a wrong doing done on you, by asking

> your

> > credentials. It is human nature to be curious and one wishes to know

> the

> > other before interacting further, which I wanted to do with your

> > goodself. It is always better to come out of the envelope of a email

> id

> > and appear to be human in front of others.

> >

> > I hope you do not shoot back a lengthy reply. I have no time for such

> > exchanges. If You feel that you do not have necessary

> > age/experience/qualifications to substantiate your teachinggs, then

> its

> > fine with us.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Vinothkumar Md

> > vinothkumarmd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj Ji

> > >

> > > The comments from C.S.Patel Ji you quoted does not indicate to me

> that

> > Rashi placement of a planet is irrelevant.As you quoted " Rashi is

> Dasha

> > and navamsa is antardasha " i am considering the following for

> > discussion.

> > >

> > > If dasa lord is maraka and antardasa lord is yogakaraka ,what will

> an

> > astrolger comment-1.Death of a person anytime during the Dasha(even in

> > yogakaraka antardasha) or Prosperity and riches only in yogakaraka

> > dasa(expecting death will not happen in this antardasha)?What if death

> > does not occur in that maraka dasha?

> > >

> > > We will not definte answers for the above if we are going to

> consider

> > only the planets which refers to mahadasha lord and antardasha lord

> > >

> > > Relevance of Rashi and navamsha positions is the same as that of the

> > above example if taken as an anology.we cannot declare any planetary

> > position in any of the varga charts as irrelevant .

> > >

> > > As an astrologer(novice or Experienced However he may be) he is

> > supposed to give the predictions juding various sources of strengths

> of

> > planets and bhavas which i am sure you yourself might know as you look

> a

> > learned person in this forum to me.For the same reason we cannot fix

> any

> > effect like 50/50 or 75/25 for any chart.

> > >

> > > " Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False " -----This

> is

> > true if taken as a seperate point.

> > > / " MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa

> placement

> > can better it. " --This is true if taken in the context of a single

> chart

> > under study.I wanted to convey this point only with reference to a

> > single chart and not as a general dictum.I apologise if it is wrongly

> > understood.

> > >

> > > According to a senior member here and seeing the guidelines posted

> in

> > the forum i feel dont have experience equal to some of the member who

> > are reading this groupmail and who claim that they are only eligible

> to

> > share their views and they consider my postings as teachings which are

> > unwanted for them and so i can only help the situation by being quiet

> > hereafter.

> > >

> > > So i have decided not to share any points after this mail and i also

> > feel it is good for anybody to listen to the views of senior

> astrologers

> > with lots of experience than from a newbie.

> > >

> > > Regarding navamsha placement ,i would like to express my view based

> on

> > the study of Devakeralam and so this is not my personal experience.

> > >

> > > Which Shri C.S.PatelJi himself considered a valuable treasure and

> > conducted free classes on Devakeralam to share his knowledge out of

> > study of chandrakalanadi

> > >

> > > I dont know to type sanskrit.So i am giving only the English

> > Translation By santhanamJi and i am referring the page number and

> Shloka

> > number so that you can find them in the book.

> > >

> > > volume 2-Pg 78,shloka 28

> > >

> > > Even a son of the ruler of the (whole)earth will become the head of

> > the underworld patala(i.e.They will steep,irreconcilable fall in

> > position) will earn his meal by beggary and will be chief among naked

> > ascetics when all the planets are in exaltation signs and debilitation

> > navamsas.

> > >

> > > volume 2,pg 78 shloka 29

> > >

> > > A planet in exaltation sign and debilitation navamsa will be

> > grievous.The one in debilitation sign with exalted navamsa will be a

> > source of happiness.

> > >

> > > volume 2-pg 78,shloka 32

> > >

> > > (a) If a planet is debilitated in Rasi but begets his exaltation

> > navamsa,the person will be rich and will enjoy many pleasures.If the

> > said debilitated planet is in the navamsa of a yogakaraka,birth in a

> > prosperous family is denoted.

> > >

> > > There are other shlokas also which emphasize the points mentioned

> > above,but i feel these are the exact ones for our discussion here.

> > >

> > > Based on the verses in Devakeralam(chandrakala Nadi), i am given to

> > understand that Navamsha has the power to increase the effects of

> > planetary placement in Rashi .In places where Rasi placement is bad

> but

> > navamsa placement is good,navamsa definetely overpowers the rashi to

> > give good results to the native.When Rashi placement is bad and

> navamsha

> > placement is also bad,the evil effects are much pronounced.As Navamsa

> > shows the fruits of the horoscope we have to give due importance to a

> > planets placement when we find it debilitated in Rashi.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Vinoth

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@

> > >

> > > Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:51:31 PM

> > > Re: Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome: Vinothkumar Ji

> > >

> > > Dear Vinothkumar Ji,

> > >

> > > You wrote:

> > >

> > > // MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa

> placement

> > can better it. //

> > >

> > > I am concerned with the above statement because there are many in

> this

> > Group who are not very experienced and when we make such statements,

> > they may assume it is true. Debilitation of ANY planet in Rasi is VERY

> > RELEVANT. The two statements above do not necessarily go with each

> > other. One is True the other is blatantly False.

> > >

> > > Mercury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant :- False

> > >

> > > Navamsa placement CAN better it :- True

> > >

> > > How much better? Does Navamsha over power the Rashi? Is

> Rashi/Navamsha

> > 50/50 effect? Is Rashi/Navamsha 75/25 effect? Or is Rashi/Navamsha

> 25/75

> > effect?

> > >

> > > Here are some of the comments from the CS Patel Book you are

> referring

> > to:

> > >

> > > // Rashi is Maha Dasha, Navamsha is Antar Dasha //

> > > // Rashi is like a photograph, Navamsha is like an Xray //

> > >

> > > Do these comments indicate to you that Rashi placement is

> Irrelevant?

> > or Are you talking from personal experience?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > " vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com " <vinothkumarmd@ ymail.com>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, July 6, 2009 9:59:36 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome

> > >

> > > An observation

> > >

> > > I have noticed that if Mercury as 3rd lord from lagna is debilitated

> > in Rasi and navamsa,the native will marry a person whose father has

> died

> > >

> > > 3 rd house is father-in law house

> > >

> > > MErcury's debilitation in Rasi is not relevant as Navamsa placement

> > can better it.If Debilitated in navamsa also the person will have

> > difficulties in conveying his ideasto others ,bit of anxiety casuing

> > inclarity in language he speaks though he may be well proficient in

> the

> > languages concerned

> > >

> > > Vinoth

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R

> ash.rsh55@

> > ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > Thank you for your response. Yes, the person does take hasty and

> > reckless decisions often. DOes not appear to have any control over his

> > speech and actions many a time. Moreover, the mind does not think

> > straight at all. He always prefers devious methods of functioning.

> Even

> > in speech, the answers are never straight. If he says 10%, 90% is left

> > to your imagination. Even then one can't be sure of what he is saying.

> > After all imaginations do have a tendency of running wild......

> > > > BUt thanks for your clarification. . Especially about mars aspect

> on

> > moon.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...>

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 8:22 AM

> > > >

> > > > Mars aspect on Moon makes already fast planet even faster.

> > > > This makes the Mann ashant - restless. It can trouble the person

> and

> > also make him/her take impatient decisions. Weather the decisions are

> > hanky- panky is also dependant on other benefic/malefic aspects,

> > conjunction & placement.

> > > > I have mars aspecting moon in natal chart buy no hanky-panky till

> > now. And looks unlikely in future.

> > > >

> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Monday, 6 July, 2009, 9:48 AM

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > > Dear Manoj ji, it is me Anita. I think I forgot to sign my name at

> > the bottom. Apologies.

> > > > His mercury is debilitated. I want to know what impact do kuja,

> > retro guru, retro shani might have on his psyche.

> > > > regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 5/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 5:18 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash Ji (sorry if this is wrong since you did not sign your

> > name),

> > > >

> > > > For false speech, 2nd house, 2nd lord and Mercury's status are

> very

> > important. Do we know the condition of Me in this chart (ofcourse

> > without ascendant it is tough).

> > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > " ash.rsh55 " ash.rsh55 >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Saturday, July 4, 2009 11:15:27 PM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > > while we are on the topic of divorce, possible extra marital

> affairs

> > etc. I would like to raise a point which has beeb bugging me for a

> long

> > time. I do not know if this is the right time to raise this but it is

> > certainly connected to the topic. If the moderators feel the time is

> not

> > ripe for this query, perhaps they will withold this mail until Manoj

> ji

> > announces the result of the fascinating quiz he has come up with.

> > > > Moon , the house he is occupying, the aspects he gets are

> primarily

> > responsibl e for our mental set up. I want to know, what is the impact

> > of benefics / malefics occupying 6th, 8th and 12th from moon?

> > > > Eg: a friend has moon in taurus, retro guru with retro saturn in

> > dhanu which is 8th house from taurus, has mars in kumbha casting 4th

> > house aspect on moon. I do not have his time of birth but only the

> date

> > of birth. He is a chronic lier. Lies even when there is no need to.

> And

> > ofcourse gets caught. He has been up to " Hanky Panky " right from 1995

> -

> > as far as my knowledge goes- and has been caught by his wife just last

> > week

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Saturday, 4 July, 2009, 7:36 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohit Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your additional comments and clarification.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > > > Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:32:05 AM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj,

> > > >

> > > > Sir u r right tht Sat seeing Venus is always undesireable for men

> > chart but u see Manoj g tht Saturn being 5th lord sitting in own house

> > is strongery it maydelay not denial i feel tht and seeing 8th lord who

> > is also Lagnesh too (which i forgot to write in the last mail )

> confirm

> > this (i feel) & 8th lord being in 5th house then i feel late or deny

> > children ( got to lot of things wit tht & but in this case 5th lord is

> > in his own house) & lot of break in affairs & i feel for her wife's i

> > feel tht sat being 10 n 11th lord and Naks of exclated Jupiter who is

> > too retro may be she must be Teacher or Teaching sometimes . well Sir

> i

> > m too waiting for ur answer . Thanks u so much Mohit

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> > Divorce/Child custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com

> > > > Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:38 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohit Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Those are interesting comments.. I am not sure if Renu ji had the

> > exact thought process and we will have to wait for her response.

> > However, hold on to your thoughts and once the results are revealed we

> > can come back and analyze it.

> > > >

> > > > In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:

> > > >

> > > > 5th lord seing the 8th in this case..

> > > >

> > > > If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your

> > conclusion?

> > > > How things need to be interpreted differently in these two cases?

> > > >

> > > > Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but Sa

> is

> > also 5th L.. Does this make things better or worse?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome

> > > >

> > > > Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus who

> is

> > also 8th lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see

> from

> > 7th house Mars is in 6th house she is not at all optimistic person

> too,

> > Thanks Mohit

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) . co.uk> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Friday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > >

> > > > //He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child

> > custody

> > > >

> > > > battle.//

> > > >

> > > > This sentence and " will he gain financially. ... " ... " the custody

> of

> > the kids.... " ... .

> > > >

> > > > ..........all the above made me think that the native is the

> > innocent party according to your thinking. He is your friend and from

> > your mail I could infer

> > > > some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...

> > > >

> > > > Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio

> > from Aries [7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.

> > > >

> > > > I may be wrong......let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

> > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Renu Ji,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Some how I missed this comment of yours.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " I think his post makes us assume that the native is the

> innocent

> > party. "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you that impression? I

> > was trying to be very careful and not give any indications one way or

> > the other.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to

> > claim that the native is the " innocent " party.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > > renunw <renunw@>

> > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >

> > > > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM

> > > >

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz:

> Divorce/Child

> > custody Outcome

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's

> > questions on this chart. You should be correct....I think his post

> makes

> > us assume that the native is the innocent party.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse....once again Ve, Sun

> combo

> > in the 8H, this time that of the spouse... Interesting.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows

> > secret

> > > >

> > > > > > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.

> > > >

> > > > > > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather

> > than native's,

> > > >

> > > > > > if other conditions also prevail...

> > > >

> > > > > > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart

> > fits to group's

> > > >

> > > > > > > earlier discussion below:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > // " if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as

> > > > lagna

> > > >

> > > > > > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I

> > should not

> > > >

> > > > > > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or

> > any other girl

> > > >

> > > > > > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person

> will

> > have any

> > > >

> > > > > > > number of relationships in his/her life..//

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in

> > Scorpio, the

> > > >

> > > > > > > house of secrets...

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> > indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I

> > have not

> > > >

> > > > > > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting it

> > here since our

> > > >

> > > > > > > group is very active..

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and

> child

> > custody

> > > >

> > > > > > > battle.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Interesting questions for the group are:

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50

> with

> > his wife

> > > >

> > > > > > > (soon to be

> > > > ex-wife)?

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > A bonus question is :

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage

> > (Marriage happened in

> > > >

> > > > > > > 2006)?

> > > >

> > > > > > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after

> > Marriage.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and

> > intruiguing.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this

> > Native is also

> > > >

> > > > > > > welcome.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and I

> will

> > confirm if I

> > > >

> > > > > > > can.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time

> 5:00

> > Pm (New

> > > >

> > > > > > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > If possible please

> > > > send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@

> > > >

> > > > > > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators

> > agree).

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

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