[hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

June 16, 2009

hinducivilization , " Jit Majumder " <jitmajumder212

wrote:

EACH AND EVERYTIME some thread on astrology starts, it invaribaly ends

with name-calling and personal attacks. Invariably. EVERYTIME such a

thread takes on the same look and feel.

I wonder what Mr. Avatar K. Kaul tires to prove each time and everytime,

when he insists on explaining the technicalities of astrology to all and

sundry, who are in absolutely no position to undestand ever what he

talks about. I wonder if Mr. Kaul is under a delusion that everyone has

an equal capacity like him to really understand, or care for, his

quibbling on the myriad technical details about ayanas, sayanas,

nirayanas, meshas, makaras, rashis and so on. He, with his exclamation

marks, constantly tries to " correct " and change the minds of a bunch of

people who are themselves CLUELESS ABOUT what they constantly quibble

about or what they know or believe, and who give a rat's ass for Avatar

Kaul's corrections. The ned result everytime is a lot of sentences from

Mr. Kaul all with exclamation marks, and a lot of name-calling and

personal attacks from the others.

It is just another matter altogether that this idiotic bunch of people

(look at the english language of this guy sunil) are only capable of

doing that, and dropping technical words and terms in their incessant

quibbles, in order to look " learned " and 'knowledgeable " in astrology.

And Mr. Kaul never seems to get the message, somehow. He never seems to

be done with warning us about the fake nature of " vedic astrology " .

Maybe another few thousand times of repeating the same, and then he

just might become assured that we have got his message.

-- Jit.

hinducivilization , " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

>

> I think this sort of debate (?) is not welcome in this list. Please

find some other group where this subject(I cannot find any debating

point since it is mostly abuse). Also what Sunil writes would be

understandable to him only.

> Hence we would urge both Sunil and AKK to stop and desist further

posts. If you have some thing to debate it could be done in some

astrological groups where the readers might appreciate the points.

> Moderator

>

> -

> " Sunil Nair " astro_tellerkerala@

> hinducivilization

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:37 AM

> [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

>

--- End forwarded message ---

June 17, 2009

Namaste! I am no scholar on astrology and jyotisha is not the focus of

my sadhana.

On this topic- as they say- If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck

etc etc..

So Kaul,Jit Majumder et al- How does it matter to me whether Jyotisha is

Vedic, Puranic, discovered by mleccha, asura, deva or whatever ? It

works- its results accord with reality. It is a part of the vedic

tradition that Rishi moolam and Nadi( river) moolam is not taken into

account or considered. Why would I be bothered who it has been revealed

to ? I do not find any Vedic or Puranic evidence to say that truth

stopped being revealed after the vedic period AND that it has been and

will be revealed to people of only a certain genetic extraction or

geographic location.

Even if this is Inca astrology or Zulu astrology- as you said- I really

dont give a rat's arse about it. As long as they dont tell me to change

my religion. So debate about technicality is one thing, but look at what

I said above about ducks. Are you sure you are not getting too caught up

in names and forms and not going beyond the external appearances ?

Regards,

Shyam

On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 15:54 +0000, bingo.bingo78 wrote:

>

> hinducivilization , " Jit Majumder "

> <jitmajumder212 wrote:

>

> EACH AND EVERYTIME some thread on astrology starts, it invaribaly ends

> with name-calling and personal attacks. Invariably. EVERYTIME such a

> thread takes on the same look and feel.

>

> I wonder what Mr. Avatar K. Kaul tires to prove each time and

> everytime,

> when he insists on explaining the technicalities of astrology to all

> and

> sundry, who are in absolutely no position to undestand ever what he

> talks about. I wonder if Mr. Kaul is under a delusion that everyone

> has

> an equal capacity like him to really understand, or care for, his

> quibbling on the myriad technical details about ayanas, sayanas,

> nirayanas, meshas, makaras, rashis and so on. He, with his exclamation

> marks, constantly tries to " correct " and change the minds of a bunch

> of

> people who are themselves CLUELESS ABOUT what they constantly quibble

> about or what they know or believe, and who give a rat's ass for

> Avatar

> Kaul's corrections. The ned result everytime is a lot of sentences

> from

> Mr. Kaul all with exclamation marks, and a lot of name-calling and

> personal attacks from the others.

>

> It is just another matter altogether that this idiotic bunch of people

> (look at the english language of this guy sunil) are only capable of

> doing that, and dropping technical words and terms in their incessant

> quibbles, in order to look " learned " and 'knowledgeable " in astrology.

> And Mr. Kaul never seems to get the message, somehow. He never seems

> to

> be done with warning us about the fake nature of " vedic astrology " .

> Maybe another few thousand times of repeating the same, and then he

> just might become assured that we have got his message.

>

> -- Jit.

>

> hinducivilization , " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

> >

> > I think this sort of debate (?) is not welcome in this list. Please

> find some other group where this subject(I cannot find any debating

> point since it is mostly abuse). Also what Sunil writes would be

> understandable to him only.

> > Hence we would urge both Sunil and AKK to stop and desist further

> posts. If you have some thing to debate it could be done in some

> astrological groups where the readers might appreciate the points.

> > Moderator

> >

> > -

> > " Sunil Nair " astro_tellerkerala@

> > hinducivilization

> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:37 AM

> > [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

> >

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

June 17, 2009

hinducivilization , Ramveer Singh <singh_ramveer

wrote:

Yes when somebody teaches VEDAS and PURANS than he should be limited to corenrs

?

Wise talk !!!

?

Everybody please clap on his views

This forum is named as Hindu Civilization and in it VEDAS and PURANS come and

you are saying that ppl should corner those

?

If new person dont know about the VEDAS PURANS then atleast they are learing by

discussions

?

You are Bhardwaj means Brahmin and you are talking like this than what Rajput

like me should say about Brahmins like you

--- On Tue, 16/6/09, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj

wrote:

ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj

Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

hinducivilization

Tuesday, 16 June, 2009, 10:06 PM

Yes, after all how can people make sense out of his arguments when they are not

fit for the knowledge he is trying to bestow on them! But then, instead of a

criminal consumption of bandwidth by saying the same thing hundreds of times

(LITERALLY) and irritating everyone, why can't he limit himself to a forum where

wise people enjoy saying and hearing the same thing so many times?

He is not told once but enough number of times by the moderator and other

members alike to refrain from doing that.

____________ _________ _________ __

Ramveer Singh <singh_ramveer@ .in>

hinducivilization

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:59:52 AM

Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

Yes Mr Kaul is in delusion and he takes all ppl's grasp of his own level

Mr Kaul doesnt not know that all ppl can't become fighter pilot, only some can

June 17, 2009

hinducivilization , ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli

<shankarabharadwaj wrote:

Yes, after all how can people make sense out of his arguments when they

are not fit for the knowledge he is trying to bestow on them! But then,

instead of a criminal consumption of bandwidth by saying the same thing

hundreds of times (LITERALLY) and irritating everyone, why can't he

limit himself to a forum where wise people enjoy saying and hearing the

same thing so many times?

He is not told once but enough number of times by the moderator and

other members alike to refrain from doing that.

________________________________

Ramveer Singh singh_ramveer

hinducivilization

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:59:52 AM

Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

Yes Mr Kaul is in delusion and he takes all ppl's grasp of his own level

Mr Kaul doesnt not know that all ppl can't become fighter pilot, only

some can

June 17, 2009

--- On Wed, 17/6/09, singh_ramveer <singh_ramveer wrote:

singh_ramveer <singh_ramveer

Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

hinducivilization

Wednesday, 17 June, 2009, 6:47 PM

AIA is crap, all know it very well

you will loose whole your jaw by my kick on your face

Till now you have proved nothing, no proofs nothing and talking all crap

You can only abuse ppl like PVRji, Sarbaniji, Sanjayji, Kaulji, Goelji, Pathji,

Vinayji, Prashant Kumar GB ji, Narayanji, Vistiji, Rafalji

Learn something by ppl's discussions

hinducivilization, Sreedhar Nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar@

....> wrote:

>

> dear mr AKK

>

> u will loose ur teeth only if u argueing with real scholars like anand sharnan

ji ( dont confuse some one's modesty as your licence to say anything ) who realy

devoted his life for astronomical studies than unlike u simply quoting christian

scholars for want of funds frm christian organisations ,how come only their

words is ultimate truth for u ?? i dont know , u r laughing at the sidhanthic

tradition of hindus even which is praised by other astronomers in world at

large? ( as they hav devised formulas for mean motions of planets for yugas at

large and all this without? any modern gadgets and frm their millioniums of old

dictums )? ,why cant u read bala gangadhara Thilakan who said the vedic calender

is using siderial zodiac and siderial solar yr .

>

> ur closed grp is nothing but a junk recycling centre

>

> other than ur own cc mails frm various grps i dont find any real discussion

happening in that grp ,even after 35 yrs after u converted frm astrologer to?

anti astrologer u hav may b max 200 memebrs in that grp ,is it shows

according to u all the? rest 90 crores of hindus even in india? is born as vedic

astrologers and blv in cheating general public using imported rasies frm greece

??

>

> even ur ignorence abt history is? well? appreciated? and need to b? preserved

in as a museam piece? and it should b taught in schools as another hitlerian?

guesteppo lessons for spy agencies where insistance of some foolish theories can

giv some result at some point of time ,But why u failed on hindus ?? do u ever

think of it ??

>

> as u yourself? blv if u lie 1000 times? ppl may blv it is truth ,ultimate

truth ,still even after all this yr u hav not even a dozn ppl to support u ??

why

>

> how come this is happening only to u ,the same name of rasies? is imported in

one context and not imported in other context ?As ur interpolation theory on

puranas r never getting any support frm hindus generaly and so u r devising new

plans that what ever rasies in veda or sidhantha and allied litterature is

sayana and but astrological signs which has same names? r imported and copied

frm greece .Ha ha ,good arguemnt ,means vedic seers are fools according to u and

they? named some thing which is non existant and which keep on changing on?

daily basis and not that they hav realy based a real siderial nakshtra calender

and they realy devided rasies as original? fixed exact position //

> i cant gulf down ur theories even with a pich of salt . how some one can name

a changing thing ??? i can call some one as krishna or sumati if and if only i

know if it is male or if it is female? according to various naming procedure we

follows ,than i call some fixed names for un fixed rasies ( u says sayana means

the zodiac which is totating and hence rasies also rototing tho it is ur new

theory to escape when the names in vedic litterature has shown to u ) ,what a

beautiful wild imagination ,atleast why cant u got for writing some short

stories than going agsint hindu culture

>

> How many real pastors and pathiries? failed in past and u also will b going to

fail only ,it is the strnght inherent strnght of hindu culture? .even if u get

support frm 120 crore hindus even if u pay all of them u cannot change the truth

..that is it

>

> if u blv all vedic litterature and even sidhanthas supported ur sayana rasies

then why u called bad names against the maya of surya sidhantha ??,why u called

varahamihira as charlattan ,if he also recommended ur favorite sayana rasies?

(which changing rasies with seasons than fixed rasies ) or? do u hav some real

basic phychological problem and needs urgent medical attention ,i dont know

>

> Ur ignorence abt history is great and realy realy appreciable

>

> do u ever find any? greece or meditaranian or babylonain scholars ( even if we

believe ur favorite western versions ) how they arrive at sudden some

correctness which u says according to u without an evolution of process like in

what happened in hindustan ,where as Hindu astronomical journey is clearly

evident from various shlokas and mantras in vedas

>

> u swear 1000 times u r here for re surrction of vedas and why this has not

even caught ur attention ??

>

> why u prefer greek over other cultures ??? is it not it is? now considered as

a european country and u will get good support frm ur sponsors .hence u can get

ur funds and same time u can fool the hindu minds in the name of calender .

>

> why cant u realy do ur calender in frnd of gr8 persons in grp like areni ji

,shri kalyana raman ji ,shri bharadwaj ji ??

>

> why u r simply waisting of that opportunity

>

> Dont u think that it will solve all problems and then? why u were waiting for

it in last 35 yrs ?

>

> i still challenge u to proove me? and show how indian vedic seers copied any

thing of astronomy frm other sources including ur christian brothers? .

>

> May b u can get away by twisting everything in front of this group as many of

memebrs dont yet realised ur real agenda .

>

> i can gaurantee that we dont need a christian calender for hindus still hindu

calender is still a subjuct? matter of scientific accuracy of hindus in frnt of

world ,tho some discrepancies might hav happened in due cource ( again ur

arguemnts wont hold? water ) and we dont need any christian agencies to correct

us any way and we hindus are realy capable of doing it ,it means we dont need

some AKK help ( as u already prooved in last 35 yrs as a real time waist ) who

dont know anything ,and even ? NASA or any europeans and actualy they r indebted

for us for showing first time? in world? for inroads in modern astronomy .

>

> rgrds sreedhar nambiar

>

> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..>

> Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

> hinducivilization

> Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 3:07 PM

>

Dr. Anand M. Sharanji,

>

> Namaskar!

>

> < He has gone after the Vedic Astrologers but he ought to realize that the

Astrology is purely statistical where, of course, there are fake players..>

>

> Truth hurts. And since " Vedic astrology " is anti-vedic, even anti-hindu

culture because it rents assunder our faith in Him, and wants us to have faith

in animate Shani and Mangal through their paid " emissaries " , my exposing it

hurts quite a few people who are even remotely benefited from the same.

>

> Also, since the Vedic calendar had nothing to do with Rashis, whether the so

called sayana or the so called nirayana, whatever parrot like statements " Vedic

astrologers " may go on making or whtever interpolated later " proofs " in the

Vedanga Jyotisha etc. they may quote, we have to get rid of rashis from our

vocabulary, if we really want to celebrate the festivals on correct days.

>

> In any case, most of the members of this forum do not want the discussion

about the non-existent twelve equal divisions, euphemistically known as rashis,

of an imaginary belt known as zodiac,to continue on this forum. I would,

therefore, request you to post your arguments on HinduCalendar forum, of which

you are a member for the last several years. Posts to that forum, as you would

be aware, are not moderated.

>

> BTW, I have never seen you post any mail on that forum, with the result that I

have to forward your mails to that forum from HnduCivilization.

>

> With regards,

>

> A K Kaul

>

> hinducivilization, " amsharanx " <amsharanx@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > I have been watching - to some extent , views of different people about

Shree Kauljee with whom I have also had heated exchanges about the Historicity

of the knowledge of Precession in India.

>

> >

>

> > I have also quoted Shree Kaul's work in my several works - bacause they do

have substance about his knowledge of Sanskrit but he is weak in the knowledge

of the Formal History of India. In that sense, his approach is faulty and lacks

reliability. He also goes on insisting about his stand even when he is shown the

correct references.

>

> >

>

> > His efforts are commendable provided he realizes his weaknesses.

>

> >

>

> > He has gone after the Vedic Astrologers but he ought to realize that the

Astrology is purely statistical where, of course, there are fake players..

>

> >

>

> > Astrology can not be explained in terms of cause and effect. We live in the

causal world that is why we like to see every thing in terms of cause and

effect.

>

> >

>

> > Thanks.

>

> >

>

> > Anand M. Sharan

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Raviji,

>

> > > Namaskar!

>

> > > Several years back, I read an anecdote in the Reader's Digest. A Professor

of Astrophysics in a University in the US of A, who had been teaching Physcis

for several decades, narrated an incident to his friend. Let us call the

Professor A and his friend B.

>

> > > A: A strange thing happened today.

>

> > > B: What?

>

> > > A: I have been teaching the Theory of General Relativity for the last more

than a decade and the students have been understanding it. But today, the

students seemed were unable to understand it.

>

> > > B: Then what did you do?

>

> > > A: I taught it in a different manner.

>

> > > B: Then?

>

> > > A: Still they did not understand it.

>

> > > B: Then?

>

> > > A: I taught it in yet another different manner, but still they did not

understand it. Then I went on chaning my methods of teaching and a strange thing

happened the sixth time I explained it to the students.

>

> > > B: What was that strange thing?

>

> > > A: I understood it myself!

>

> > > It is exactly the same case with terse astronomical terms, whether

sidhantic or modern, vis-a-vis the Vedas and Puranas etc. By explaining it to

others, I am ironing out my own doubts, if any, about the same. In fact, I have

been getting feedback, even if from a miniscule number, from those very forums.

>

> > > That is what Shariraka-mimasa (Brahma-Sitras) also has said, " aavritir

asakrid upadeshaat " .

>

> > > Regarding my discussing it in astrological forums, I have been banned by

almost all of them, since they do not want to lose their " paap ki kamayee " .

>

> > > In any case, I will no longer thrust this discussion on HinduCivilization,

unless provoked to do so, though Hindu Civilization is supposed to celebrate

festivals and muhurtas as per the instructions of shastras instead of Lahiris

and Muladharawalas! But maybe, I have not understood the definition of that term

either properly.

>

> > > With warm regards,

>

> > > Avtar

>

> > > PS My sincere suggestion to Sunil Nairji is that he must employ some ghost

writer as he had done with his post about months etc. of the Vedic calendar.

After all, no great leader prepares his own speech himself!

>

> > > AKK

>

> > >

>

> > > hinducivilization, " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I think this sort of debate (?) is not welcome in this list. Please find

some other group where this subject(I cannot find any debating point since it is

mostly abuse). Also what Sunil writes would be understandable to him only.

>

> > > > Hence we would urge both Sunil and AKK to stop and desist further posts.

If you have some thing to debate it could be done in some astrological groups

where the readers might appreciate the points.

>

> > > > Moderator

>

> > > >

>

> > > > -

>

> > > > " Sunil Nair " <astro_tellerkerala @>

>

> > > > <hinducivilization>

>

> > > > Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:37 AM

>

> > > > [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear grp and respected List

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > here is another Joke frm shri Mr laughing stock of this century -AKK

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

June 17, 2009

--- On Wed, 17/6/09, khannaanup32 <khannaanup32 wrote:

khannaanup32 <khannaanup32

Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

hinducivilization

Wednesday, 17 June, 2009, 7:00 PM

My dear Sunil Nair

you are talking of VEDAS,who knows nothing about VEDAS

and you are talking of VEDIC things

Ha Ha Ha Ha

Seasons are lunatic??What??

Vedic calendar is lunatic??

what non-sense you are talking about

hinducivilization, Sreedhar Nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar@

....> wrote:

>

> my dear rajput

>

> why i need to proov anything which is already prooved by vedic seers

>

> ur mentor or other id has failed that is it ,that is all

>

> why cant he show his calender which is mathematicaly impossible 354 days

lunatic one

>

> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, singh_ramveer <singh_ramveer@ ...> wrote:

>

> singh_ramveer <singh_ramveer@ ...>

> Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

> hinducivilization

> Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:47 PM

>

AIA is crap, all know it very well

>

> you will loose whole your jaw by my kick on your face

>

> Till now you have proved nothing, no proofs nothing and talking all crap

>

> hinducivilization, Sreedhar Nambiar

<sreedhar.nambiar@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > dear mr AKK

>

> >

>

> > u will loose ur teeth only if u argueing with real scholars like anand

sharnan ji ( dont confuse some one's modesty as your licence to say anything )

who realy devoted his life for astronomical studies than unlike u simply quoting

christian scholars for want of funds frm christian organisations ,how come only

their words is ultimate truth for u ?? i dont know , u r laughing at the

sidhanthic tradition of hindus even which is praised by other astronomers in

world at large? ( as they hav devised formulas for mean motions of planets for

yugas at large and all this without? any modern gadgets and frm their

millioniums of old dictums )? ,why cant u read bala gangadhara Thilakan who said

the vedic calender is using siderial zodiac and siderial solar yr .

>

> >

>

> > ur closed grp is nothing but a junk recycling centre

>

> >

>

> > other than ur own cc mails frm various grps i dont find any real discussion

happening in that grp ,even after 35 yrs after u converted frm astrologer to?

anti astrologer u hav may b max 200 memebrs in that grp ,is it shows

according to u all the? rest 90 crores of hindus even in india? is born as vedic

astrologers and blv in cheating general public using imported rasies frm greece

??

>

> >

>

> > even ur ignorence abt history is? well? appreciated? and need to b?

preserved in as a museam piece? and it should b taught in schools as another

hitlerian? guesteppo lessons for spy agencies where insistance of some foolish

theories can giv some result at some point of time ,But why u failed on hindus

?? do u ever think of it ??

>

> >

>

> > as u yourself? blv if u lie 1000 times? ppl may blv it is truth ,ultimate

truth ,still even after all this yr u hav not even a dozn ppl to support u ??

why

>

> >

>

> > how come this is happening only to u ,the same name of rasies? is imported

in one context and not imported in other context ?As ur interpolation theory on

puranas r never getting any support frm hindus generaly and so u r devising new

plans that what ever rasies in veda or sidhantha and allied litterature is

sayana and but astrological signs which has same names? r imported and copied

frm greece .Ha ha ,good arguemnt ,means vedic seers are fools according to u and

they? named some thing which is non existant and which keep on changing on?

daily basis and not that they hav realy based a real siderial nakshtra calender

and they realy devided rasies as original? fixed exact position //

>

> > i cant gulf down ur theories even with a pich of salt . how some one can

name a changing thing ??? i can call some one as krishna or sumati if and if

only i know if it is male or if it is female? according to various naming

procedure we follows ,than i call some fixed names for un fixed rasies ( u says

sayana means the zodiac which is totating and hence rasies also rototing tho it

is ur new theory to escape when the names in vedic litterature has shown to u )

,what a beautiful wild imagination ,atleast why cant u got for writing some

short stories than going agsint hindu culture

>

> >

>

> > How many real pastors and pathiries? failed in past and u also will b going

to fail only ,it is the strnght inherent strnght of hindu culture? .even if u

get support frm 120 crore hindus even if u pay all of them u cannot change the

truth .that is it

>

> >

>

> > if u blv all vedic litterature and even sidhanthas supported ur sayana

rasies then why u called bad names against the maya of surya sidhantha ??,why u

called varahamihira as charlattan ,if he also recommended ur favorite sayana

rasies? (which changing rasies with seasons than fixed rasies ) or? do u hav

some real basic phychological problem and needs urgent medical attention ,i dont

know

>

> >

>

> > Ur ignorence abt history is great and realy realy appreciable

>

> >

>

> > do u ever find any? greece or meditaranian or babylonain scholars ( even if

we believe ur favorite western versions ) how they arrive at sudden some

correctness which u says according to u without an evolution of process like in

what happened in hindustan ,where as Hindu astronomical journey is clearly

evident from various shlokas and mantras in vedas

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> >

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> > u swear 1000 times u r here for re surrction of vedas and why this has not

even caught ur attention ??

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> > why u prefer greek over other cultures ??? is it not it is? now considered

as a european country and u will get good support frm ur sponsors .hence u can

get ur funds and same time u can fool the hindu minds in the name of calender .

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> > why cant u realy do ur calender in frnd of gr8 persons in grp like areni ji

,shri kalyana raman ji ,shri bharadwaj ji ??

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> > why u r simply waisting of that opportunity

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> > Dont u think that it will solve all problems and then? why u were waiting

for it in last 35 yrs ?

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> > i still challenge u to proove me? and show how indian vedic seers copied any

thing of astronomy frm other sources including ur christian brothers? .

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> > May b u can get away by twisting everything in front of this group as many

of memebrs dont yet realised ur real agenda .

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> > i can gaurantee that we dont need a christian calender for hindus still

hindu calender is still a subjuct? matter of scientific accuracy of hindus in

frnt of world ,tho some discrepancies might hav happened in due cource ( again

ur arguemnts wont hold? water ) and we dont need any christian agencies to

correct us any way and we hindus are realy capable of doing it ,it means we dont

need some AKK help ( as u already prooved in last 35 yrs as a real time waist )

who dont know anything ,and even ? NASA or any europeans and actualy they r

indebted for us for showing first time? in world? for inroads in modern

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> > rgrds sreedhar nambiar

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> > --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

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> > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..>

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> > Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

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> > hinducivilization

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> > < He has gone after the Vedic Astrologers but he ought to realize that the

Astrology is purely statistical where, of course, there are fake players..>

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> > Truth hurts. And since " Vedic astrology " is anti-vedic, even anti-hindu

culture because it rents assunder our faith in Him, and wants us to have faith

in animate Shani and Mangal through their paid " emissaries " , my exposing it

hurts quite a few people who are even remotely benefited from the same.

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> >

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> > Also, since the Vedic calendar had nothing to do with Rashis, whether the so

called sayana or the so called nirayana, whatever parrot like statements " Vedic

astrologers " may go on making or whtever interpolated later " proofs " in the

Vedanga Jyotisha etc. they may quote, we have to get rid of rashis from our

vocabulary, if we really want to celebrate the festivals on correct days.

>

> >

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> > In any case, most of the members of this forum do not want the discussion

about the non-existent twelve equal divisions, euphemistically known as rashis,

of an imaginary belt known as zodiac,to continue on this forum. I would,

therefore, request you to post your arguments on HinduCalendar forum, of which

you are a member for the last several years. Posts to that forum, as you would

be aware, are not moderated.

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> >

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> > BTW, I have never seen you post any mail on that forum, with the result that

I have to forward your mails to that forum from HnduCivilization.

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> > With regards,

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> > A K Kaul

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> > hinducivilization, " amsharanx " <amsharanx@ ..>

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> > > I have been watching - to some extent , views of different people about

Shree Kauljee with whom I have also had heated exchanges about the Historicity

of the knowledge of Precession in India.

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> > > I have also quoted Shree Kaul's work in my several works - bacause they do

have substance about his knowledge of Sanskrit but he is weak in the knowledge

of the Formal History of India. In that sense, his approach is faulty and lacks

reliability. He also goes on insisting about his stand even when he is shown the

correct references.

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> > > > Several years back, I read an anecdote in the Reader's Digest. A

Professor of Astrophysics in a University in the US of A, who had been teaching

Physcis for several decades, narrated an incident to his friend. Let us call the

Professor A and his friend B.

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> > > > A: A strange thing happened today.

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> > > > A: I have been teaching the Theory of General Relativity for the last

more than a decade and the students have been understanding it. But today, the

students seemed were unable to understand it.

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understand it. Then I went on chaning my methods of teaching and a strange thing

happened the sixth time I explained it to the students.

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> > > > A: I understood it myself!

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> > > > It is exactly the same case with terse astronomical terms, whether

sidhantic or modern, vis-a-vis the Vedas and Puranas etc. By explaining it to

others, I am ironing out my own doubts, if any, about the same. In fact, I have

been getting feedback, even if from a miniscule number, from those very forums.

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> > > > That is what Shariraka-mimasa (Brahma-Sitras) also has said, " aavritir

asakrid upadeshaat " .

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> > > > Regarding my discussing it in astrological forums, I have been banned by

almost all of them, since they do not want to lose their " paap ki kamayee " .

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> > > > In any case, I will no longer thrust this discussion on

HinduCivilization, unless provoked to do so, though Hindu Civilization is

supposed to celebrate festivals and muhurtas as per the instructions of shastras

instead of Lahiris and Muladharawalas! But maybe, I have not understood the

definition of that term either properly.

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> > > > With warm regards,

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> >

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> > > > Avtar

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> >

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> > > > PS My sincere suggestion to Sunil Nairji is that he must employ some

ghost writer as he had done with his post about months etc. of the Vedic

calendar. After all, no great leader prepares his own speech himself!

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find some other group where this subject(I cannot find any debating point since

it is mostly abuse). Also what Sunil writes would be understandable to him only.

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> > > > > Hence we would urge both Sunil and AKK to stop and desist further

posts. If you have some thing to debate it could be done in some astrological

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hinducivilization , "amsharanx" <amsharanx wrote:I have been watching - to some extent , views of different people about Shree Kauljee with whom I have also had heated exchanges about the Historicity of the knowledge of Precession in India. I have also quoted Shree Kaul's work in my several works - bacause they do have substance about his knowledge of Sanskrit but he is weak in the knowledge of the Formal History of India. In that sense, his approach is faulty and lacks reliability. He also goes on insisting about his stand even when he is shown the correct references.His efforts are commendable provided he realizes his weaknesses.He has gone after the Vedic Astrologers but he ought to realize that the Astrology is purely statistical where, of course, there are fake players. Astrology can not be explained in terms of cause and effect. We live in the causal world that is why we like to see every thing in terms of cause and effect.

Anand M. Sharanhinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" jyotirved@ wrote:>> Dear Raviji,> Namaskar!> Several years back, I read an anecdote in the Reader's Digest. A Professor of Astrophysics in a University in the US of A, who had been teaching Physcis for several decades, narrated an incident to his friend. Let us call the Professor A and his friend B.> A: A strange thing happened today.> B: What?> A: I have been teaching the Theory of General Relativity for the last more than a decade and the students have been understanding it. But today, the students seemed were unable to understand it.> B: Then what did you do?> A: I taught it in a different manner.> B: Then?> A: Still they did not understand it.> B: Then?> A: I taught it in yet another different manner, but still they did not understand it. Then I went on chaning my methods of teaching and a strange thing happened the sixth time I explained it to the students.> B: What was that strange thing?> A: I understood it myself!> It is exactly the same case with terse astronomical terms, whether sidhantic or modern, vis-a-vis the Vedas and Puranas etc. By explaining it to others, I am ironing out my own doubts, if any, about the same. In fact, I have been getting feedback, even if from a miniscule number, from those very forums.> That is what Shariraka-mimasa (Brahma-Sitras) also has said, "aavritir asakrid upadeshaat".> Regarding my discussing it in astrological forums, I have been banned by almost all of them, since they do not want to lose their "paap ki kamayee".> In any case, I will no longer thrust this discussion on HinduCivilization, unless provoked to do so, though Hindu Civilization is supposed to celebrate festivals and muhurtas as per the instructions of shastras instead of Lahiris and Muladharawalas! But maybe, I have not understood the definition of that term either properly.> With warm regards,> Avtar> PS My sincere suggestion to Sunil Nairji is that he must employ some ghost writer as he had done with his post about months etc. of the Vedic calendar. After all, no great leader prepares his own speech himself!> AKK>

June 17, 2009

dear mr AKK u will loose ur teeth only if u argueing with real scholars like anand sharnan ji ( dont confuse some one's modesty as your licence to say anything ) who realy devoted his life for astronomical studies than unlike u simply quoting christian scholars for want of funds frm christian organisations ,how come only their words is ultimate truth for u ?? i dont know , u r laughing at the sidhanthic tradition of hindus even which is praised by other astronomers in world at large ( as they hav devised formulas for mean motions of planets for yugas at large and all this without any modern gadgets and frm their millioniums of old dictums ) ,why cant u read bala gangadhara Thilakan who said the vedic calender is using siderial zodiac and siderial solar yr .ur closed grp is nothing but a junk recycling centre

other than ur own cc mails frm various grps i dont find any real discussion happening in that grp ,even after 35 yrs after u converted frm astrologer to anti astrologer u hav may b max 200 memebrs in that grp ,is it shows according to u all the rest 90 crores of hindus even in india is born as vedic astrologers and blv in cheating general public using imported rasies frm greece ??even ur ignorence abt history is well appreciated and need to b preserved in as a museam piece and it should b taught in schools as another hitlerian guesteppo lessons for spy agencies where insistance of some foolish theories can giv some result at some point of time ,But why u failed on hindus ?? do u ever think of it ??as u yourself blv if u lie 1000 times ppl may blv it is truth ,ultimate truth ,still even after all this yr u hav not even a dozn ppl to support u ?? why

how come this is happening only to u ,the same name of rasies is imported in one context and not imported in other context ?As ur interpolation theory on puranas r never getting any support frm hindus generaly and so u r devising new plans that what ever rasies in veda or sidhantha and allied litterature is sayana and but astrological signs which has same names r imported and copied frm greece .Ha ha ,good arguemnt ,means vedic seers are fools according to u and they named some thing which is non existant and which keep on changing on daily basis and not that they hav realy based a real siderial nakshtra calender and they realy devided rasies as original fixed exact position //i cant gulf down ur theories even with a pich of salt . how some one can name a changing thing ?? i can call some one as krishna or sumati if and if only i know if it is male or if it is female according to various naming

procedure we follows ,than i call some fixed names for un fixed rasies ( u says sayana means the zodiac which is totating and hence rasies also rototing tho it is ur new theory to escape when the names in vedic litterature has shown to u ) ,what a beautiful wild imagination ,atleast why cant u got for writing some short stories than going agsint hindu culture How many real pastors and pathiries failed in past and u also will b going to fail only ,it is the strnght inherent strnght of hindu culture .even if u get support frm 120 crore hindus even if u pay all of them u cannot change the truth .that is it if u blv all vedic litterature and even sidhanthas supported ur sayana rasies then why u called bad names against the maya of surya sidhantha ??,why u called varahamihira as charlattan ,if he also recommended ur favorite sayana rasies (which changing rasies with seasons than fixed rasies ) or do u hav some real

basic phychological problem and needs urgent medical attention ,i dont know Ur ignorence abt history is great and realy realy appreciable do u ever find any greece or meditaranian or babylonain scholars ( even if we believe ur favorite western versions ) how they arrive at sudden some correctness which u says according to u without an evolution of process like in what happened in hindustan ,where as Hindu astronomical journey is clearly evident from various shlokas and mantras in vedas u swear 1000 times u r here for re surrction of vedas and why this has not even caught ur attention ??why u prefer greek over other cultures ?? is it not it is now considered as a european country and u will get good support frm ur sponsors .hence u can get ur funds and same time u can fool the hindu minds in the name of calender .why cant u realy do ur calender in frnd of gr8 persons in grp like areni ji

,shri kalyana raman ji ,shri bharadwaj ji ??why u r simply waisting of that opportunity Dont u think that it will solve all problems and then why u were waiting for it in last 35 yrs ?i still challenge u to proove me and show how indian vedic seers copied any thing of astronomy frm other sources including ur christian brothers .May b u can get away by twisting everything in front of this group as many of memebrs dont yet realised ur real agenda .i can gaurantee that we dont need a christian calender for hindus still hindu calender is still a subjuct matter of scientific accuracy of hindus in frnt of world ,tho some discrepancies might hav happened in due cource ( again ur arguemnts wont hold water ) and we dont need any christian agencies to correct us any way and we hindus are realy capable of doing it ,it means we dont need some AKK help ( as u already prooved in last 35 yrs as a

real time waist ) who dont know anything ,and even NASA or any europeans and actualy they r indebted for us for showing first time in world for inroads in modern astronomy .rgrds sreedhar nambiar --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote:Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirvedRe: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!hinducivilization Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 3:07 PM

Dr. Anand M. Sharanji,

Namaskar!

< He has gone after the Vedic Astrologers but he ought to realize that the Astrology is purely statistical where, of course, there are fake players.>

Truth hurts. And since "Vedic astrology" is anti-vedic, even anti-hindu culture because it rents assunder our faith in Him, and wants us to have faith in animate Shani and Mangal through their paid "emissaries" , my exposing it hurts quite a few people who are even remotely benefited from the same.

Also, since the Vedic calendar had nothing to do with Rashis, whether the so called sayana or the so called nirayana, whatever parrot like statements "Vedic astrologers" may go on making or whtever interpolated later "proofs" in the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. they may quote, we have to get rid of rashis from our vocabulary, if we really want to celebrate the festivals on correct days.

In any case, most of the members of this forum do not want the discussion about the non-existent twelve equal divisions, euphemistically known as rashis, of an imaginary belt known as zodiac,to continue on this forum. I would, therefore, request you to post your arguments on HinduCalendar forum, of which you are a member for the last several years. Posts to that forum, as you would be aware, are not moderated.

BTW, I have never seen you post any mail on that forum, with the result that I have to forward your mails to that forum from HnduCivilization.

With regards,

A K Kaul

hinducivilization, "amsharanx" <amsharanx@. ..> wrote:

>

> I have been watching - to some extent , views of different people about Shree Kauljee with whom I have also had heated exchanges about the Historicity of the knowledge of Precession in India.

>

> I have also quoted Shree Kaul's work in my several works - bacause they do have substance about his knowledge of Sanskrit but he is weak in the knowledge of the Formal History of India. In that sense, his approach is faulty and lacks reliability. He also goes on insisting about his stand even when he is shown the correct references.

>

> His efforts are commendable provided he realizes his weaknesses.

>

> He has gone after the Vedic Astrologers but he ought to realize that the Astrology is purely statistical where, of course, there are fake players.

>

> Astrology can not be explained in terms of cause and effect. We live in the causal world that is why we like to see every thing in terms of cause and effect.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Anand M. Sharan

>

> hinducivilization, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raviji,

> > Namaskar!

> > Several years back, I read an anecdote in the Reader's Digest. A Professor of Astrophysics in a University in the US of A, who had been teaching Physcis for several decades, narrated an incident to his friend. Let us call the Professor A and his friend B.

> > A: A strange thing happened today.

> > B: What?

> > A: I have been teaching the Theory of General Relativity for the last more than a decade and the students have been understanding it. But today, the students seemed were unable to understand it.

> > B: Then what did you do?

> > A: I taught it in a different manner.

> > B: Then?

> > A: Still they did not understand it.

> > B: Then?

> > A: I taught it in yet another different manner, but still they did not understand it. Then I went on chaning my methods of teaching and a strange thing happened the sixth time I explained it to the students.

> > B: What was that strange thing?

> > A: I understood it myself!

> > It is exactly the same case with terse astronomical terms, whether sidhantic or modern, vis-a-vis the Vedas and Puranas etc. By explaining it to others, I am ironing out my own doubts, if any, about the same. In fact, I have been getting feedback, even if from a miniscule number, from those very forums.

> > That is what Shariraka-mimasa (Brahma-Sitras) also has said, "aavritir asakrid upadeshaat".

> > Regarding my discussing it in astrological forums, I have been banned by almost all of them, since they do not want to lose their "paap ki kamayee".

> > In any case, I will no longer thrust this discussion on HinduCivilization, unless provoked to do so, though Hindu Civilization is supposed to celebrate festivals and muhurtas as per the instructions of shastras instead of Lahiris and Muladharawalas! But maybe, I have not understood the definition of that term either properly.

> > With warm regards,

> > Avtar

> > PS My sincere suggestion to Sunil Nairji is that he must employ some ghost writer as he had done with his post about months etc. of the Vedic calendar. After all, no great leader prepares his own speech himself!

> > AKK

> >

> > hinducivilization, "Ravi" <ravi7640@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I think this sort of debate (?) is not welcome in this list. Please find some other group where this subject(I cannot find any debating point since it is mostly abuse). Also what Sunil writes would be understandable to him only.

> > > Hence we would urge both Sunil and AKK to stop and desist further posts. If you have some thing to debate it could be done in some astrological groups where the readers might appreciate the points.

> > > Moderator

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Sunil Nair" <astro_tellerkerala @>

> > > <hinducivilization>

> > > Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:37 AM

> > > [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear grp and respected List

> > > >

> > > > here is another Joke frm shri Mr laughing stock of this century -AKK

> > > >

> >

>

June 17, 2009

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwajRe: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!hinducivilization Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:12 PM

Pranam Sri AKK ji,

As I said previously, you will hardly find someone who can conduct an objective debate on the subject. For the kind of practitioners and their training an astrologer typically receives, you cannot call for an objective discussion. Now the thing is that it is quite easy to stop these emails if you stop, and it is impossible if you do not. And you know that well, because there is no other member who consistently took this thread up. Even previously, some member(s) were banned from the list on account of the same subject, but it made no difference to the hundreds of emails thrown around on this.

I completely understand how anyone can use any forum to further his ideas, I am sure even you would be doing that. All we are saying is please do not use this particular list, genuine topics are already on the decline, most of the emails are either repetition, show-off or nonsense.

Hope you understand.

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Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>

hinducivilization

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:14:31 AM

Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi in 11th century AD!

Shri Shankara Bharadwaj Khandavalli ji,

Namaskar!

I had requested Shri Sunil Nair several months back to join Hindu calendar forum to give vent to all his pent up feelings about the "hurt" that I am supposedly causing to his cherished theories, but somehow he just wants to use HinduCivilization forum as a springborad!

Dhanyavad.

AKK

June 19, 2009

Sreedhar Nambiar didnt forward this msg

hinducivilization , " Jit Majumder " <jitmajumder212

wrote:

Dear Sri Kaul,

<<<Glad to know that at least one member knows the fake nature of " Vedic

astrology " and even expresses so openly! That itself is good news to

me!>>>

I am sure there are more than one member who understand with their

common sense and a decent bit of general knowledge -- if not by

expertise in the intricacies of astrology -- that for which you take so

much pain to get across to them. you say that it is " good news " to you,

but then again, in yet another post from you in this thread itself:

" That is the condition of Indian astronomy, of which " Vedic astrologers "

are boasting to the whole world! The fact of the matter is that Vedic

Hindus were never interested in predictive hocus-pocus till the time of

Greek influx and that is why the Seers never bothered about the

longitudes of Mangal and Shani vis-a-vis non-existent Mesha, Vrisha etc.

Rashis! "

So there you go again. You cannot seem to stop your inverse obssession

with the fakeness of " vedic astrology " -- you seem to unable to just

turn away from this thing which you know so well to be fake -- you

insist on giving a fake thing too much attention for its " genuinity " . I

dont want to be involved in a " astrology " thread, as astrology is not my

area, but I hope that you will soon be finished with convincing us of

what you have convinced us for the umpteenth time, and maybe educate us

about ASTROLOGY PROPER, instead of talking about its fake avatar

incessantly. Frankly speaking, if you go on still trying to

compulsively talk about the fakeness of vedic astrology to those who

have already heard your point enough times, I will perhaps start

thinking that you actually SUSPECT on a subconscious level, that very

fakeness of " vedic astrology " you make so much ado about.

In other words, what I am trying to say is --

(1) WE have got YOUR message. AND, WE hope that YOU get the message that

WE got YOUR message !

(2) Just like OUR getting YOUR message is good news to YOU, likewise

YOUR getting the message that WE got YOUR message will be good news to

US !

Thanks -- Jit.

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Shri Jit Majumderji,

> Namaskar!

> <He never seems to be done with warning us about the fake nature of

" vedic astrology " . Maybe another few thousand times of repeating the

same, and then he just might become assured that we have got his

message.>

>

> Glad to know that at least one member knows the fake nature of " Vedic

astrology " and even expresses so openly! That itself is good news to me!

> With regards.

> A K Kaul

> hinducivilization , " Jit Majumder "

jitmajumder212@ wrote:

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June 19, 2009