Fwd: Historicity Of Rashis in India - Kumbh Mela

May 6, 2009

hinducivilization , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

dear ananth sharan ji

Rasies was used even in rigvedic periods as we can see they hav

perfect calender which co-realates season-solar months -luni-solar

months intgreated into one on a siderial back ground ( makshtra chakara

which is fixed )

and they hav a panchanga ( five limbhs of a day -day ,vara ,nakshtra

,karana and nithya yoga ) which is calculated very very early so as

other followers can use it .Unlike wait for any viscible phenomena like

sighting of new moon like in arab islamic festivals .

solar months r basis for adhik masa or khsaya masa used in adjusting

Luni solar moths in 5 yr yuga cycle ( even this is to adjuct this months

with solar yr ) ,solar months means sun s entry and exit in one rasi

,without calculating a rasi it is simply not possible ,and we shud think

that this are all pre -telescopic calculations and even calculated very

well in advance (which some scholars arrogantly( or even foolishly )

says rishies dont know any thing so, No rasi, no knowledge of astronomy

so we shud use NASA or JPL Data for a Hindu calender and they point out

secnds/Nano secnds errors )and unless there is a basics and support of

some sidhanthas it is simply not possible too ,asking to show those

principle in veda 's is another height of foolery which put forward by

some psudo scholars who is infleunced by christian missionary

propogandas is simply designed to mislead public so as to call our

acharyas as fools or frauds .

but sure veda wont teach us every thing abt astronomy and astrology as

it was not the purpose of of veda s

finding good period ( muhurtha ) for all kinds of ceremony was the prime

aim of this calender ,

Good period means which is yet to come after we do a ritual or ceremony

means it is phala jyotisha too ( predictiv astrology ) .and i dont

think hindu religion is like a muslim or other semitic religion s just

issue fatwa and terrorise devotees abt hell fire etc without

justifying the reasons as it is based on sanathan tatwa and dont blv in

forceful imparting of any other customs .

even jupiterian ( as u mentioned in ur post ) years are used and it is

jupiterian entry and exit in a rasi and it is the basis of 60 yr cycle

we called prabhavadhi samvatsaras later gone tru lot of modifications .

Prapancha concept is basis of our Hindu zodiac called rasi chakra , if

we adopt it frm other cultures why they dont use all other stars

appearing in horizon and what was their philosophical backing frm

respectiv culture ?? like some says and propogates ?? when asks this

question simply runs away

rgrds sunil nair

hinducivilization , " amsharanx " amsharanx@

wrote:

>

> I have read the following on the internet:

>

> " According to astrologers, the 'Kumbh Fair' takes place when the

planet Jupiter enters Aquarius and the Sun enters Aries. "

>

> This Mela is mentioned in the Puranas , and possibly MBH etc, and is

held at places along the Ancient Highways of India - Uttarpatha and

Dakshinpatha ( Haridwar, Prayag, Ujjain , and Nasik ). Therefore, the

tradition is quite old - definitely before the time of Jesus Christ.

>

> The above being true, the use of Rashis in India must have been as old

as the celebration of Kumbh Mela .

>

> Thanks.

>

> Anand M. Sharan

>

--- End forwarded message ---

May 7, 2009

dear sunil bhattacharjya ji

thanks for ur mail and sorry for late reply as i was busy

let us forget AKK and his D -Gangs and even this hari mall ji who just wanted to twist and misquote even without doing his home work perfectly or properly as i never find he has any regards for ganita nor veda's .

There is mention of rasies in vedanga jyothisha but vedanga jyothisha was primarly and may b mainly written to support vedic rituals where as numerous references are their directly or indirectly in vedas ,vedangas and upangas ,even in ayurvedic texts and many other indian sastras ,even in brahmanakas ,upanishaths ,aranyaksas ,puranas and ithihasas .But the problem is stray references as none of this deals with astrology or astronomy ( a arguemnt which kaulins forgets easily and willfully ) And astrological litterature in sanskrit and other indian language s is envious .

i said many time and prooved also without rasies solar months calculations which is the indirect basis of adhika masas and khaya masas cannot b possible with the parameters provided in vedanga jyothisha itself ( Tho it is assigned to Lagadha Muni but written by one of his sisya in his gurukula parampara ) and but it is used in rig vedic period itself as there is reference in it ,In rig vedic period itself they hav awareness and they already done a calender based on it considering seasons and it s months and ritu periods ,solar moths and solar yr and lunar mansions ,full moon ,newmoon periods ,eclipses and even lunar months ( which soli -lunar or luni -solar ) and they to adjust with solar yr they considered adhik masas and kshaya masas ( and its basis is sun in a rasi which is solar month too ) so to make it perfect mathematicaly they designed this Yuga concept of 5 yrs ,each year is named as samvatsara , parivalsara ,ida valsara ,anu valsara iva valsara etc to complete yuga concept they included this masas as amhaspathi and samasarpa

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let us get acquainted at a basic level with some definitions and background of this nomenclature ..First , Let us list the names of Soura and ChAndra Maasams that make up an year : Souram(365 days) Chaandra Maasam (354 days 1.Mesha : Chittari------Chaithra:Chaithram 2.Vrushabha:VaikAsi-----VaisAka:VaisAkam3.Mithunam :Aani--------JyEshta:JyEshtam4.Karkatakam:Aadi-------- AashAda: AshAdam 5.Simha: AavaNi-------- SrAvaNa:SrAvaNam 6.kanyA: PurattAsi----- BhAdrapAdha:BhAdrapAdham7.TulA: Iyppasi-------- Aasvayuja:Aasvayujam8.Vruscchika:Kaarthikai-Kaarthika: Kaarthikam9.Dhanu: Maargazhi------Maargaseersha:Maargaseersham10.Makara:Tai-----------Pousha:( tEsha:)/Pushyam11.Kumbha:Maasi---------Maaga: Maagam12.Meena:Panguni--------Paalguna:Paalgunam ( i included Tamil months too ,in kerala we call the rasi months as rasi months only sun in mesha is mesha maasam for keralites ) The Two Ayanas :

The 6 month time period is recognized as DakshiNaayanam and the remaining six month starting is UttarAyaNam .

.. Ruthus :

This 12 month period is split in to six two month time divisions : Vasantha ,Greeshma , Varsha Saraddth ,Hemantha ,and Sisira Ruthus .This is under the Soura system or solar calendar Along with seasons ..Maasams( Months) :

Three kinds of Mala Maasams:

These are (1) Athimaasam (2)samasarpamaasam and 3) amhaspathi maasaam .They have some dhoshas fro the observance of selected karmas .The above three kinds of months are hence known as Mala maasams and there are restrictions on doing subha kaaryams in these months or portionsof these Months . Rest of the Months are amalaa (blemishless)months for performance of subha Kaaryams . In a mala maasam , where two Full moons or two New moons occur , then thatmonth is not fit for any subha kaaryam .Vasantha ruthu is the only exception ,where its two months ( mesha and rishaba ) have no mala maasa dhoshams at all and henceall subha kaaryams can done in these two months .Another exception is for samskarams likepumsavanam ( done in the certain month of Conception )or anna prasanam ( first feeding of solid food for the child done after the sixth month of birth) , no mala maasarestrcitions apply here as well . 1: When two amavasya 's (New Moon ) occur in any oneof the Soura Maasam , that maasam is called an ATHI MAASAM . .2: When there are two Maasa Pirappu ( beginningof two months ) in a chandhra Maasam ,then thatMaasam is known as AMHASPATHI MAASAM .Usually ,it occurs in the chandhra maasam of Kaarthikam or scorpio solar mnoth . .3 : The month before Amhaspathi maasam isknown as Samsarpa Maasam . One can do karmAnushtana'sin this month ( Karma Samsarpathi ithi) and hence , the name .---------

So this mathematical model which tried to reflect maximum of reality has the veidc sanction too and it proovs beyond doubt that rasies where used since vedic periods and the refernce in rig veda 1-25-8 says "Maso dridhavaratho Dwadasa prajavata: vedaya upajayathe " also says abt what ever i mentioned above .

other wise all kaulians simply joke at every body and even i see u r asked to proov rama and krishna and dating veda's ,this and that ,as they dont hav a real aim nor idea of updating a calender ( since last 25 yrs ) and ppl like us dont need any of their help too who calls all rishies and acharyas as frauds and giving all leneince to other cultures so as to say we lifted frm them where as they dont hav any reference to show us or any supporting documnts unless claims called studies of some christian or western so called scholars who wants to limit every thing according their geneology which says it started biblical chronologies means even adam is born around BC 4400 or so ,so how it can b possible rig veda or any veda beyond that scope of time frame ,so they find ways to put anything with least possible minimum time by raising all kinds of doubts .

kaulians are trying to date any famous text which shows the acceptance of astrology in the society Long back and it is well rooted ( as by reading itself we can undestand that it is written with an assumption that others know abt various other things abt astronomy or astrology ) But they take as the day of publication of text is the day knowledge is originated or travelled to india than seeing the incubation period and then gone tru various paramparas till the text is made available to public as many texts r still kept secret and almost 5 lacs manuscripts are still waiting for termites which has mention of various other sastras or litterature .But kaulians are happy abt that and they r not even worried abt all those things ,because they r afraid of further reference or new discoveries which can topple their 25 yr old theoreys .So not ready to accept even anything beyond their arguemnt .

But they made a wrong approach in coming to us with their arguemnts and now cooling their heels in the pretext of i am out of town for one month to giv technical details of their magic calender which dont hav any rasies or degrees or even the imgainary belt ( as he calls jokingly ) zodiac ,which it self proovs he dont know even basic concepts abt simple mathematics ( without abstract models no theorey can discuss in mathematics )

it is also prooved beyond doubt that that greeks ( alexandrian greeks ) dont know abt the numbers beyond 10 raised 4 called ayutha-miridian ( i dont know how to put 4 abov 10 by computer typing ) where as in yajurveda itself discuss unlimited patterns of numerical discriptions .upto parardha ( there is reference till about 10 raised by 12 ) where as in samhita period upto 10 raised 32 ) i am talking abt recordical proofs available ,but not that how we build big cities and its proofs which beyond imagination and is ready for any scholars .)

even various scholar's put rig vedic period frm BC 4000 to BC 10000 with available records even some old sanskrit writings has un earthed which has carbon dated ( which has a error of 2500 yrs ) BC 3000 ,and still many more proofs may come out ,so i am sure the nature and time itself will dig a grave for their wilful deliberate so called calender arguemnts designed to destroy astrologia of indians .U already know the fate of aryan tourist theorey ( which even devided indian phych and even there is dravida political parties in south )

thanks and rgrds sunil nair

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Yes. The concept of Rashis is very very old. Rashis are mentioned in the Vedas as I wrote in one of my mail and Sreenadhji mentioned about the "Meena" rashi in the Vedanga Jyotisha. I am sure AKK had read about that but you will not be surprised if AKK continues to play his old CD that Rashis are not in the Veda / Vedanga.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Fwd: Re: Historicity Of Rashis in India - Kumbh Mela> > Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:16 PM> > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization, "sunil nair"> <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > dear ananth sharan ji> > Rasies was used even in rigvedic periods as we can see they hav> perfect calender which co-realates season-solar months -luni-solar> months intgreated into one on a siderial back ground ( makshtra chakara> which is fixed )> > and they hav a panchanga ( five limbhs of a day -day ,vara ,nakshtra> ,karana and nithya yoga ) which is calculated very very early so as> other followers can use it .Unlike wait for any viscible phenomena like> sighting of new moon like in arab islamic festivals .> > solar months r basis for adhik masa or khsaya masa used in adjusting> Luni solar moths in 5 yr yuga cycle ( even this is to adjuct this months> with solar yr ) ,solar months means sun s entry and exit in one rasi> ,without calculating a rasi it is simply not possible ,and we shud think> that this are all pre -telescopic calculations and even calculated very> well in advance (which some scholars arrogantly( or even foolishly )> says rishies dont know any thing so, No rasi, no knowledge of astronomy> so we shud use NASA or JPL Data for a Hindu calender and they point out> secnds/Nano secnds errors )and unless there is a basics and support of> some sidhanthas it is simply not possible too ,asking to show those> principle in veda 's is another height of foolery which put forward by> some psudo scholars who is infleunced by christian missionary> propogandas is simply designed to mislead public so as to call our> acharyas as fools or frauds .> > but sure veda wont teach us every thing abt astronomy and astrology as> it was not the purpose of of veda s> > finding good period ( muhurtha ) for all kinds of ceremony was the prime> aim of this calender ,> > Good period means which is yet to come after we do a ritual or ceremony> means it is phala jyotisha too ( predictiv astrology ) .and i dont> think hindu religion is like a muslim or other semitic religion s just> issue fatwa and terrorise devotees abt hell fire etc without> justifying the reasons as it is based on sanathan tatwa and dont blv in> forceful imparting of any other customs .> > even jupiterian ( as u mentioned in ur post ) years are used and it is> jupiterian entry and exit in a rasi and it is the basis of 60 yr cycle> we called prabhavadhi samvatsaras later gone tru lot of modifications .> > Prapancha concept is basis of our Hindu zodiac called rasi chakra , if> we adopt it frm other cultures why they dont use all other stars> appearing in horizon and what was their philosophical backing frm> respectiv culture ?? like some says and propogates ?? when asks this> question simply runs away> > rgrds sunil nair> > hinducivilization, "amsharanx" amsharanx@> wrote:> >> > I have read the following on the internet:> >> > " According to astrologers, the 'Kumbh Fair' takes place when the> planet Jupiter enters Aquarius and the Sun enters Aries. "> >> > This Mela is mentioned in the Puranas , and possibly MBH etc, and is> held at places along the Ancient Highways of India - Uttarpatha and> Dakshinpatha ( Haridwar, Prayag, Ujjain , and Nasik ). Therefore, the> tradition is quite old - definitely before the time of Jesus Christ.> >> >> > The above being true, the use of Rashis in India must have been as old> as the celebration of Kumbh Mela .> >> > Thanks.> >> > Anand M. Sharan> >> > --- End forwarded message --->