Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Respected Gurujis, Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way? Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true? Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story. I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god? I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this. thanks rashmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Lord Ayyapa is the combination of the potency of both preserver and destroyer. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta --- On Mon, 4/5/09, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel HOW LORD AYYAPPA IN KERALA WAS BORN? Monday, 4 May, 2009, 7:34 PM Respected Gurujis, Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way? Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true? Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story. I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god? I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this. thanks rashmi Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.*Go to http://in.business./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Fools tread in where angels fear to dare. " Lord Ayyappan is a symbol of religious unity and communal harmony. Being born out of Mohini (the female incarnation of Lord Vishnu) and Lord Shiva, he is also known as Bhuthanatha, Dharmasastha, Hariharan, Ayyanar and Manikanta ". Yes you must feel guilty and punish yourself, because first of all you thought dirty about the Gods, listened to evil people who talked dirty on this, and now writing dirty. Instead of writing here, why did you first not make a search in the Net to find out more on this? Do You want spoon feeding, or are you here to bring in spectacular changes in everyones thinking ? Or to look spectacular ? Why do you keep bad company who co-relate gays and such matters with the Gods ? What actually you should beleive is this, that you must keep yourself isolated from society for the next 10 years, keep Mauna vrata, study the scriptures, and then after 10 years of doing this, come back in society among the common people, because if you stay in this manner, then others too with weak minds will get infested by such obnoxious theories. Bhaskar. , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote:>> Respected Gurujis,> > Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way?> > Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true?> > Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story.> > I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god?> > I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this.> thanks> rashmi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 respected rashmiji jaishrikrishna, forgive for my views but i must tell you that ocean has many things in it, though we cannot drink its water and without it we cannot survive because it helps in forming clouds which brings rain, so likewise it is very difficult for us to predict and judge the ways in which GOD works, it is him who is POORNA PARSHOTTAM PARMESHWAR, we have to believe HIM. so dont get in to those things and trust me and yourself too, dont get yourself involved in to negative things which you have mentioned in your mail. jaishrikrishna. Jayesh Davda --- On Mon, 4/5/09, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel HOW LORD AYYAPPA IN KERALA WAS BORN? Monday, 4 May, 2009, 2:04 PM Respected Gurujis, Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way? Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true? Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story. I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god? I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this. thanks rashmi Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 jaishriKrishna. Very good reply. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Jayesh Davda <jayesh.davda wrote: > > respected rashmiji > jaishrikrishna, > forgive for my views but i must tell you that ocean has many things in it, though we cannot drink its water and without it we cannot survive because it helps in forming clouds which brings rain, so likewise it is very difficult for us to predict and judge the ways in which GOD works, it is him who is POORNA PARSHOTTAM PARMESHWAR, we have to believe HIM. > so dont get in to those things and trust me and yourself too, dont get yourself involved in to negative things which you have mentioned in your mail. > jaishrikrishna. > > > Jayesh Davda > > --- On Mon, 4/5/09, rashmi patel rashmihpatel wrote: > > > rashmi patel rashmihpatel > HOW LORD AYYAPPA IN KERALA WAS BORN? > > Monday, 4 May, 2009, 2:04 PM > > > Respected Gurujis, > > Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way? > > Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true? > > Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story. > > I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god? > > I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this. > thanks > rashmi > > > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Dear Rashmi ji, Do you want an answer from the human historic perspective or form Puranic mixed perspective? Looking from the human historic perspective - Ayyappa was a designation assigned to the leader of troop of forest warriers (this troop later became the first suicidal troop - Chaver - in the history of Kerala during the 100 year war between Chera and Chola kings); They were the originaters of Kalari martial art cult in Kerala. Many ayyappas born of different casts with different names are known. * The first Ayyappa who was tribal youth, with a brother named Marachan. This Ayyappa became the commander of Pandya king and killed the Pallava king Vettumaruta in a fierce battle around last period of 9th centuray AD. * Nilavayyan - not much details about this Ayyappa is known. * Adi Manikantan - not much details about this Ayyappa is known. * Ayyan - This is the name of an Ayyappan who lived around 12th century AD. He took birth in low caste. His father's name was Chennan and guru was Karavoorammachan. * Ayyappan - the Ayyappan who lived around 13th century AD whose horoscope is available today. * Ayyappan - He was from Cheerappan chira family in Alappy district and lived around 16th century AD. He was from a caste named 'Ezhava' (a warrier caste, now included in OBC). * Veera Manikanthan - He was the adopted sun of Pantala king and lived during the end of 17th century. The mixed history about the life of numerous Ayyappas from 9th century to 17th century AD is the true human history of Ayyappa. The tantric god Dharma Sasta was the deity worshipped by all these Ayyappas, and the Pandya/Pandala kings whom they served. Looking from the Puranic perspective - There is a story about a Puranic god named 'Sasta' who took birth as a son of Siva and Mohini (Vishnu in female form). Some Pantala kings intentionally mixed this puranic story of Sasta with that of the story of 17thcentury Veera Manikanta and thus the total confusion of Sasta (god, deity) and Ayyappa (human) being one and the same originated. I am not much interested in this story and so don't want to elaborate. Hope this helps. Note: Please don't put me too much into this discussion - when I start revealing the details, some worshipers of God Sasta or Veera Manikantha may feel offended. I don't want to disturb feelings or to create controversy. Love and regards, Sreenadh , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote:>> Respected Gurujis,> > Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way?> > Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true?> > Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story.> > I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god?> > I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this.> thanks> rashmi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Hi friends, I do agree with the below opinion, and that is said by Mr.Raman Pillai in his book "The Secret Chamber" released in 1920(I am not sure about the year ) . It is available in Govt. Oriental Manuscripts library in Chennai, Madras University campus. More over ayyappa is leader of troops and he followed PANCHA MAKARA TANTRA ( The best example for this type of tantra is KHADGA RAVANA TANTRAM) to worship DharmaSasta(Incornation of Lord Mahadeva). Living saint Parasurama had given that mantra to ayyappa. He used one commandar daughter for his pujas. He(ayyappa) worshipped dharma sasta and got mantra siddhi, atlost he immersed in Mahadeva. According to mantra sastra upasaka will become worshpping GOD at siddhi stage. Moreover some new rules came in ayyappa worship are written in "Bhoota Nadho pakyanam" the book came just 80 years back. All these short term upasanas came in this book only. Please note KHADGA RAVANA TANTRAM is not about Ravana in Ramayanam. Lord Mahadeva or Shiva is called KHADGA RAVANA. Thank you Narasimha--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: How Lord Ayyappa in Kerala was born? Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:06 AM Dear Rashmi ji, Do you want an answer from the human historic perspective or form Puranic mixed perspective? :)Looking from the human historic perspective - Ayyappa was a designation assigned to the leader of troop of forest warriers (this troop later became the first suicidal troop - Chaver - in the history of Kerala during the 100 year war between Chera and Chola kings); They were the originaters of Kalari martial art cult in Kerala. Many ayyappas born of different casts with different names are known. * The first Ayyappa who was tribal youth, with a brother named Marachan. This Ayyappa became the commander of Pandya king and killed the Pallava king Vettumaruta in a fierce battle around last period of 9th centuray AD. * Nilavayyan - not much details about this Ayyappa is known. * Adi Manikantan - not much details about this Ayyappa is known. * Ayyan - This is the name of an Ayyappan who lived around 12th century AD. He took birth in low caste. His father's name was Chennan and guru was Karavoorammachan. * Ayyappan - the Ayyappan who lived around 13th century AD whose horoscope is available today. * Ayyappan - He was from Cheerappan chira family in Alappy district and lived around 16th century AD. He was from a caste named 'Ezhava' (a warrier caste, now included in OBC). * Veera Manikanthan - He was the adopted sun of Pantala king and lived during the end of 17th century. The mixed history about the life of numerous Ayyappas from 9th century to 17th century AD is the true human history of Ayyappa. The tantric god Dharma Sasta was the deity worshipped by all these Ayyappas, and the Pandya/Pandala kings whom they served. Looking from the Puranic perspective - There is a story about a Puranic god named 'Sasta' who took birth as a son of Siva and Mohini (Vishnu in female form). Some Pantala kings intentionally mixed this puranic story of Sasta with that of the story of 17thcentury Veera Manikanta and thus the total confusion of Sasta (god, deity) and Ayyappa (human) being one and the same originated. I am not much interested in this story and so don't want to elaborate. Hope this helps.Note: Please don't put me too much into this discussion - when I start revealing the details, some worshipers of God Sasta or Veera Manikantha may feel offended. I don't want to disturb feelings or to create controversy. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Gurujis,> > Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way?> > Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true?> > Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story.> > I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god?> > I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this.> thanks> rashmi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Hi friends, Moreover its not SABARI giri(not sabari in Ramayana), its SABARA giri( mean SABARA mean tribal people). Its in sanskrit.Parasu rama is the kaula cult guru. thank you Narasimha--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: How Lord Ayyappa in Kerala was born? Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:06 AM Dear Rashmi ji, Do you want an answer from the human historic perspective or form Puranic mixed perspective? :)Looking from the human historic perspective - Ayyappa was a designation assigned to the leader of troop of forest warriers (this troop later became the first suicidal troop - Chaver - in the history of Kerala during the 100 year war between Chera and Chola kings); They were the originaters of Kalari martial art cult in Kerala. Many ayyappas born of different casts with different names are known. * The first Ayyappa who was tribal youth, with a brother named Marachan. This Ayyappa became the commander of Pandya king and killed the Pallava king Vettumaruta in a fierce battle around last period of 9th centuray AD. * Nilavayyan - not much details about this Ayyappa is known. * Adi Manikantan - not much details about this Ayyappa is known. * Ayyan - This is the name of an Ayyappan who lived around 12th century AD. He took birth in low caste. His father's name was Chennan and guru was Karavoorammachan. * Ayyappan - the Ayyappan who lived around 13th century AD whose horoscope is available today. * Ayyappan - He was from Cheerappan chira family in Alappy district and lived around 16th century AD. He was from a caste named 'Ezhava' (a warrier caste, now included in OBC). * Veera Manikanthan - He was the adopted sun of Pantala king and lived during the end of 17th century. The mixed history about the life of numerous Ayyappas from 9th century to 17th century AD is the true human history of Ayyappa. The tantric god Dharma Sasta was the deity worshipped by all these Ayyappas, and the Pandya/Pandala kings whom they served. Looking from the Puranic perspective - There is a story about a Puranic god named 'Sasta' who took birth as a son of Siva and Mohini (Vishnu in female form). Some Pantala kings intentionally mixed this puranic story of Sasta with that of the story of 17thcentury Veera Manikanta and thus the total confusion of Sasta (god, deity) and Ayyappa (human) being one and the same originated. I am not much interested in this story and so don't want to elaborate. Hope this helps.Note: Please don't put me too much into this discussion - when I start revealing the details, some worshipers of God Sasta or Veera Manikantha may feel offended. I don't want to disturb feelings or to create controversy. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Gurujis,> > Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way?> > Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true?> > Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story.> > I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god?> > I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this.> thanks> rashmi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Dear Narasimha ji, I don't agree with this opinion. The name of the hill is 'Sabari giri' itself and NOT 'Sabara giri'. If you have any historic or literary evidence in support of your argument please provide. Definitely there is a Ramayana connection to this place, due to the presance of Rishyamookachala hill (mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana), Pamba Rivar and Lake (during Valmiki Ramayana period there was a lake here and the geographical evidance for the same is available even today; Pamba is amply described in Valmiki Ramayana) and Ashram of Sabari which was place for spiritual education. The story of Sabari is also beautiful. The real name of Sabari is 'Malini'. Before enlightenment, in her Purvasrama, she was the only daughter of King Chitra kavacha. Her husband was prince Veetihotra. But after marriage Malini became detached from the worldly life and became the sishya of a Kirata guru (tribal sage) named Kalmasha. Treating her as one who cheated her husband (since she became detached), and as a Kirata (tribal women), she was out-casted from her own relatives and husband. Malini became very sad, due to this act, and asked her relatives to pardon her. On hearing this her husband said, if Srirama pardons you, then we too will accept you. From that day onwards Malini wandered throughout the country and during her wanderings he reached the Matanga hill where sage Matanga lived. This place was known by the name 'Matanga forest' at that time and was very beautiful. She became the sishya (student) of Sage Matanga and lived there in the Ashram during her remaining life indulged in spirituality and meditation for a very long period. It was during her life there that, King Rama visited Matanga astrama. Sabari became enlightened and lived in this hill for long, teaching people the path of spirituality. Since Sabari lived in this hill, this place later became popular with the name 'Sabari mala' (Sabari's hill). The story of Sabari tasting the fruit and then giving it to Rama must have been an excellent allegory. Both Sabari and Rama was enlightened individuals who knew the taste the enlightenment. Sabari tasted enlightenment and shared her experience with Rama, and for Rama as well the thoughts and words shared were so sweet since he himself already knew the taste of the same fruit! Both of them have other things in common as well - Sabari was a princess who accepted forest to indulge in spirituality; Rama too was an individual with high spirituality who accepted forest and was wandering though it. They had many things in common and no wonder the meeting of those two good well wishing hearts must have been a feest to them and the people around. Pamba, Rishyamookachala, Kishkintha, Murachi pattanam (Place of 'maareecha', i.e. black pepper. The place were the ramayana chareter 'Mareecha' lived. The modern name of this place is Kodungalloor, and mideveal name 'Mahodayapuram'. This ciry was the capital of Chera kings for long) are all famous in Valmiki Ramayana. Note only Ramayana, Mahabharata too mentions Kerala. Mahabharata states that the Yadava kings ruled in Kerala. When lord Krishna came to Kerala, some part of Kerala was being ruled by one of his relatives was ruling the kingdom named 'Karaveera puram' near Periyar (Venappuzha). Mahabharata also states that Karaveerapuram kingdom in Kerala was created by the yadava king Patmavarna who was one of the forefather's of Krishna. Running away from Jarasandha, Krishna reaches Karaveerapuram and while in Kerala he meets Parasurama also there as per Mahabharata. Stories are many. Depend on literary evidences if you want to go in to the depth of this subject. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao" <narsimha6 wrote:>> Hi friends, > Moreover its not SABARI giri(not sabari in Ramayana), its SABARA giri( mean SABARA mean tribal people). Its in sanskrit.Parasu rama is the kaula cult guru. > > thank you > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Dear friends, Without going in to the controversy of exact name (Sabari or Sabara), I would like to mention one thing. There are a group of people known as Shabara in W.Bengal and probably in Orissa too. They had put stiff resistance against British and hence named as 'Criminal people'. Probaly the Indian Police still beleive that. regards Chakraborty J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao [narsimha6] Monday, May 04, 2009 9:09 PM Re: Re: How Lord Ayyappa in Kerala was born? Hi friends, Moreover its not SABARI giri(not sabari in Ramayana), its SABARA giri( mean SABARA mean tribal people). Its in sanskrit.Parasu rama is the kaula cult guru. thank you Narasimha --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: How Lord Ayyappa in Kerala was born? Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:06 AM Dear Rashmi ji, Do you want an answer from the human historic perspective or form Puranic mixed perspective? Looking from the human historic perspective - Ayyappa was a designation assigned to the leader of troop of forest warriers (this troop later became the first suicidal troop - Chaver - in the history of Kerala during the 100 year war between Chera and Chola kings); They were the originaters of Kalari martial art cult in Kerala. Many ayyappas born of different casts with different names are known. * The first Ayyappa who was tribal youth, with a brother named Marachan. This Ayyappa became the commander of Pandya king and killed the Pallava king Vettumaruta in a fierce battle around last period of 9th centuray AD. * Nilavayyan - not much details about this Ayyappa is known. * Adi Manikantan - not much details about this Ayyappa is known. * Ayyan - This is the name of an Ayyappan who lived around 12th century AD. He took birth in low caste. His father's name was Chennan and guru was Karavoorammachan. * Ayyappan - the Ayyappan who lived around 13th century AD whose horoscope is available today. * Ayyappan - He was from Cheerappan chira family in Alappy district and lived around 16th century AD. He was from a caste named 'Ezhava' (a warrier caste, now included in OBC). * Veera Manikanthan - He was the adopted sun of Pantala king and lived during the end of 17th century. The mixed history about the life of numerous Ayyappas from 9th century to 17th century AD is the true human history of Ayyappa. The tantric god Dharma Sasta was the deity worshipped by all these Ayyappas, and the Pandya/Pandala kings whom they served. Looking from the Puranic perspective - There is a story about a Puranic god named 'Sasta' who took birth as a son of Siva and Mohini (Vishnu in female form). Some Pantala kings intentionally mixed this puranic story of Sasta with that of the story of 17thcentury Veera Manikanta and thus the total confusion of Sasta (god, deity) and Ayyappa (human) being one and the same originated. I am not much interested in this story and so don't want to elaborate. Hope this helps. Note: Please don't put me too much into this discussion - when I start revealing the details, some worshipers of God Sasta or Veera Manikantha may feel offended. I don't want to disturb feelings or to create controversy. Love and regards, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Gurujis, > > Please can some one tell me how is lord ayyappa born because its confusing to know that since he is lord & was born by lord shivji & lord vishnuji which are two male gods so lots of people talks negative on it but actually lord vishnuji converted into female mohini then what actually we should beleive? & why you also look in negative way? > > Some says that this was done during gods time & its coming now in world of gay relations or now marriages? is this true? > > Any way there had to be some positive thinking behind this since its lords made story. > > I read on line in negative way & was thinking myself that why did I even read it, fill guilty that, how can you even think any negative on god? > > I dont know what is in real but please if some one tell me in detail what is correct way to understand this. > thanks > rashmi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 What is the meaning of " Shaabar mantras " ? How is it different from other " Vedic mantras " ? regards/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 respected bhaskar ji pls see this link http://books.google.co.in/books?id=5tN8298fXFMC & pg=PA63 & lpg=PA63 & dq=shabar+mantra & source=bl & ots=VbGFPM5ND2 & sig=COLKm5CY-Atiea1b0nk_km5rhHs & hl=en & ei=DAQBSt3-FprW7AOQ3YSnBg & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3 Shabar mantras fall into the category for "Specific Purposes" and gives results without special techniques for their use.These mantras were originally written for the welfare of the common mass, removal of grievances and for the attainment of the best. but i think it is not vedic but vernakular local language ,prakrit or even arabic language is used more on it i dont know any way there is no sanction frm main stream vedic culture to use this kind of mantras . rgrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > What is the meaning of "Shaabar mantras " ? How is it different from> other "Vedic mantras" ?> > regards/Bhaskar.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Respected Sunil-ji, This link was very helpful. Thank you Souvik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 dear souvik ji sure , thanks rgrds sunil nair , "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Respected Sunil-ji,> > > > This link was very helpful.> > > > Thank you> > Souvik> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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