Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me and telling that someone as cast a spell on them. Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets and sometimes due to bad decisions of people. Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone as cast a spell on them. But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does not work or it can alter the destiny of a person. I need your guidance please let me know 1) Whether tantra really works?? 2) Can it alter destiny of someone?? 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Namaste, I am also tarot cards reader and also practicing astrology and so on...and now reading and learning about Tantra, but as i have seen and noticed there is a very wrong understanding on what Tantra means. Casting spells is possible, but do not get obsessed about this. Please explain to people their own actions and thoughts are creating karma and not claim others as spelling for own mistakes. Tantra (the real meaning of Tantra) has to be seen from a different angle, and not to be compared to Jyotish. In tantra as i know Lord Shiva is worshiped, and other goddesses (will not insist on this now)and as well tantra uses mantras and Yantras... There are methods of practicing tantra, it is true, but please don't generalize tantra as an evil thing. I am asking learned members to correct me if i am wrong. Thank you. Regards, Liana , " pragathi " <jinaspice wrote: > > I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me and telling that someone as cast a spell on them. > > Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets and sometimes due to bad decisions of people. > > Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone as cast a spell on them. > > But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does not work or it can alter the destiny of a person. > > I need your guidance please let me know > > 1) Whether tantra really works?? > 2) Can it alter destiny of someone?? > 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish??? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Dear Pragathi, 1) Yes Tantra really works. 2) It can alter as well as postpone, or prepone someones destiny. 3) It is more powerful than Jyotish. yes. Because Tantra is into rituals and certain practises, while Jyotish is just an art of prognostications. The above are my personal views ahich may not meet consensus. Do not ask me to prove above for am not a Tantric. regards, Bhaskar. , " pragathi " <jinaspice wrote: > > I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me and telling that someone as cast a spell on them. > > Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets and sometimes due to bad decisions of people. > > Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone as cast a spell on them. > > But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does not work or it can alter the destiny of a person. > > I need your guidance please let me know > > 1) Whether tantra really works?? > 2) Can it alter destiny of someone?? > 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish??? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Energy is energy. We put the mark + or - All types of energies are but contained in existence. Even the most innocent of child / person can repeal spells etc. because of his purity.Chiranjiv--- On Sat, 2/5/09, blulisan <blulisan wrote: blulisan <blulisan Re: jyotish v/s tantra Date: Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 4:04 PM Namaste,I am also tarot cards reader and also practicing astrology and so on...and now reading and learning about Tantra, but as i have seen and noticed there is a very wrong understanding on what Tantra means.Casting spells is possible, but do not get obsessed about this.Please explain to people their own actions and thoughts are creating karma and not claim others as spelling for own mistakes.Tantra (the real meaning of Tantra) has to be seen from a different angle, and not to be compared to Jyotish.In tantra as i know Lord Shiva is worshiped, and other goddesses (will not insist on this now)and as well tantra uses mantras and Yantras....There are methods of practicing tantra, it is true, but please don't generalize tantra as an evil thing.I am asking learned members to correct me if i am wrong.Thank you.Regards,Liana ancient_indian_ astrology, "pragathi" <jinaspice@. ..> wrote:>> I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me and telling that someone as cast a spell on them.> > Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets and sometimes due to bad decisions of people.> > Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone as cast a spell on them. > > But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does not work or it can alter the destiny of a person.> > I need your guidance please let me know > > 1) Whether tantra really works??> 2) Can it alter destiny of someone??> 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish???> Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 sir, if tantra has altered the destiny of a person..how can it be known .... & corrected?There must be a way out...if there is a way in!! where can one find help??--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: jyotish v/s tantra Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 6:37 AM Dear Pragathi,1) Yes Tantra really works.2) It can alter as well as postpone, or prepone someones destiny.3) It is more powerful than Jyotish. yes. Because Tantra is into ritualsand certain practises, while Jyotish is just an art of prognostications.The above are my personal views ahich may not meet consensus.Do not ask me to prove above for am not a Tantric.regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "pragathi"<jinaspice@. ..> wrote:>> I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me andtelling that someone as cast a spell on them.>> Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets andsometimes due to bad decisions of people.>> Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone ascast a spell on them.>> But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does notwork or it can alter the destiny of a person.>> I need your guidance please let me know>> 1) Whether tantra really works??> 2) Can it alter destiny of someone??> 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish???> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Dear Kiran, Usually a good astrological Prashna helps us to understand, whether some Tantric deeds are done against you or present. Astrologers suggest the remedial Tantric deeds as well. The 15th and 16th chapter of Prashnamarga deals with this subject as well.Love and regards,Sreenadh , kiran dasaur <kirandasaur wrote:>> sir,> if tantra has altered the destiny of a person..how can it be known .... & corrected?There must be a way out...if there is a way in!! where can one find help??> > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: jyotish v/s tantra> > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 6:37 AM> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pragathi,> > 1) Yes Tantra really works.> > 2) It can alter as well as postpone, or prepone someones destiny.> > 3) It is more powerful than Jyotish. yes. Because Tantra is into rituals> and certain practises, while Jyotish is just an art of prognostications.> > The above are my personal views ahich may not meet consensus.> > Do not ask me to prove above for am not a Tantric.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "pragathi"> jinaspice@ ..> wrote:> >> > I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me and> telling that someone as cast a spell on them.> >> > Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets and> sometimes due to bad decisions of people.> >> > Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone as> cast a spell on them.> >> > But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does not> work or it can alter the destiny of a person.> >> > I need your guidance please let me know> >> > 1) Whether tantra really works??> > 2) Can it alter destiny of someone??> > 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish???> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Dear Kiran ji, Tantra if it has altered your destiny for good, you would know it because it means you have resort to a good Tantric (Like I have one), nobody would do it for you as a stranger obviously. Tantra if it has altered your destiny for your bad, then it is known as " Black Magic " . It can be revoked by the help of a stronger Tantric. These stronger Tantrics have many methods to know whether one has come under Maran or Ucchatan Prayog. Astrologically my Guru had taught me certain Prashna dealing methods where one knows within seconds if one is under the grip of black magic. But this cannot be discussed under the purview of a Public forum or even in Private. This comes under the purview of Guru Parampara. When I turn, if I may some day in future, then My students would be taught this. best wishes, Bhaskar. , kiran dasaur <kirandasaur wrote: > > sir, > if tantra has altered the destiny of a person..how can it be known ..... & corrected?There must be a way out...if there is a way in!! where can one find help?? > > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: jyotish v/s tantra > > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 6:37 AM > > > Dear Pragathi, > > 1) Yes Tantra really works. > > 2) It can alter as well as postpone, or prepone someones destiny. > > 3) It is more powerful than Jyotish. yes. Because Tantra is into rituals > and certain practises, while Jyotish is just an art of prognostications. > > The above are my personal views ahich may not meet consensus. > > Do not ask me to prove above for am not a Tantric. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " pragathi " > jinaspice@ ..> wrote: > > > > I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me and > telling that someone as cast a spell on them. > > > > Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets and > sometimes due to bad decisions of people. > > > > Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone as > cast a spell on them. > > > > But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does not > work or it can alter the destiny of a person. > > > > I need your guidance please let me know > > > > 1) Whether tantra really works?? > > 2) Can it alter destiny of someone?? > > 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish??? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, I too would like to know this........Can u throw some light on this? Regs, Anita --- On Sat, 2/5/09, kiran dasaur <kirandasaur wrote: kiran dasaur <kirandasaur Re: Re: jyotish v/s tantra Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 5:28 PM sir, if tantra has altered the destiny of a person..how can it be known .... & corrected?There must be a way out...if there is a way in!! where can one find help?? --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: jyotish v/s tantra ancient_indian_ astrology Saturday, May 2, 2009, 6:37 AM Dear Pragathi, 1) Yes Tantra really works. 2) It can alter as well as postpone, or prepone someones destiny. 3) It is more powerful than Jyotish. yes. Because Tantra is into rituals and certain practises, while Jyotish is just an art of prognostications. The above are my personal views ahich may not meet consensus. Do not ask me to prove above for am not a Tantric. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, " pragathi " <jinaspice@. ..> wrote: > > I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me and telling that someone as cast a spell on them. > > Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets and sometimes due to bad decisions of people. > > Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone as cast a spell on them. > > But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does not work or it can alter the destiny of a person. > > I need your guidance please let me know > > 1) Whether tantra really works?? > 2) Can it alter destiny of someone?? > 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish??? > Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Go to http://in.movies./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Dear Friend Answers to your points: 1.YES,Tantra really works. 2.Exactly what you mean by Detiny?. a Well learned Tantri can perform rites to influence a good or bad planet as per one's horoscope to carry out desired commands so as to acheive one's wish. 3.There is nothing called powerful or otherwise. Though jyothish and tantra are interdependant and inerrelated each has its own imporatance according to the purpose for which it is applied. Sivaraman --- On Sat, 2/5/09, pragathi <jinaspice wrote: pragathi <jinaspice jyotish v/s tantra Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 10:02 AM I am a tarot card reader. I have several people coming upto me and telling that someone as cast a spell on them. Many times the problems are created by malefic dasha, planets and sometimes due to bad decisions of people. Its a escapism from karmic debt that makes them think that someone as cast a spell on them. But without proper research i dont want to claim that tantra does not work or it can alter the destiny of a person. I need your guidance please let me know 1) Whether tantra really works?? 2) Can it alter destiny of someone?? 3) Is tantra more powerful than jyotish??? Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Mr. Bhaskar, If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination. Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered. I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black magic kills the person. There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra. Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, do japa and do dhana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Pragathi, We have not asked for your advice, but you have asked . The way you are talking I can very well understand why you loose your clients. Tantra is powerful yes, but any idiot cannot learn Tantra. Because surgery is more powerful so we must stop taking medications but go directly for surgery ? What preposterous talking are you doing ? People have not lost faith in divinations due to power of Tantra, they have lost faith because idiots are practising Divinations. Learn Tarot properly and you too will have food clientage. Dont blame Tantra or their practioners. Tantra cannot bring good luck to everyone because as I said in my previous mail, everybody is not fortunate enough. You are talking like a first class fool. Do not waste my time please. Bhaskar. , " pragathi " <jinaspice wrote: > > Mr. Bhaskar, > > If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination. > > Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered. > > I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black magic kills the person. > > There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra. > > Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, do japa and do dhana. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 No one can change the destiny of any body as the Path of Every Body's Life is set when he takes the Birth On Earth... When any body takes the Birth his Death Also takes the Birth which is a ulimate Truth. What you can do in the life span is to do the Good "Karma" which gives the good fruits to you and your future generations--- On Sun, 3/5/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: jyotish v/s tantra Date: Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 3:49 PM Pragathi,We have not asked for your advice, but you have asked .The way you are talking I can very well understand why you loose your clients.Tantra is powerful yes, but any idiot cannot learn Tantra. Because surgery is more powerful so we must stop taking medications but go directly for surgery ? What preposterous talking are you doing ?People have not lost faith in divinations due to power of Tantra, they have lost faith because idiots are practising Divinations. Learn Tarot properly and youtoo will have food clientage. Dont blame Tantra or theirpractioners.Tantra cannot bring good luck to everyone because as I said in my previous mail, everybody is not fortunate enough.You are talking like a first class fool. Do not waste my time please.Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "pragathi" <jinaspice@. ..> wrote:>> Mr. Bhaskar,> > If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination.> > Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered.> > I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black magic kills the person.> > There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra.> > Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, do japa and do dhana.> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Please read about "Dridha Karma" and "Adridha Karma". What is it wrt the present birth and wrt the previous birth in relation to the rinabandhans and the consequences to be effected in this birth in an individuals Life. Only the major issues of Life are set and pre-determined, and not the minor ones. The 10th house of Karma, the 3rd house, and the 6th house allow a native a good enough space for making improvements and changes in his present Life, subject to the maximum demarcations allowed which only the individual can know when he reaches those demarcation levels. Also read what is "Muhurtha" and how it enables one to reduce the evil effects in ones Life. Read about Mantras and Japa, how it reduces ones burden of "Paap karma" in Life. Read about the great temples of India, and ask those who go regularly to these temples, how they feel, how their approach towards Life and circumstances, situations in general have changed over a period of time. Those who say they cannot change their destines do not know the powers they hold within. No use talking with them too, for they have not reached such levels of understanding. They just need proofs for everything, but would never ask their parents proof for their own birth and parentage. If a Robbery was fixed, an accident was fixed, a Rape was fixed, a Bomb blast was fixed, then why do we need the law enforcing agencies please enlighthen . If we live Life with a understanding that age and death is fixed then why work at all ? Since death is fixed , and one will not die till that age and will keep getting morning lunch and evening dinner served in a plate without doing anything ??? Who knows properly what is Fixed for him and not ? Either accept that You know what is Fixed for you, or else accept that I need this knowledge from external sources like soothsayers, Crystal Gazers, Yogis, Saints and Astrologers. The Ancient Rishi Munis were not fools to have prescribed remedial measures for every Mahadasha and antardasha of ones Life, if the evil tendencies could not have been reduced or the benefic influences could not have been strengthened. One has a head on his body which he himself owns, but can he control his own heads ache ? No he cant. He needs a Parecetmol tablet to contain the headache. He cannot sit tight saying that this headache was fixed by my destiny so I will suffer. I will not go to Doctor. Or if I have a major health problem I will not go to Surgeon for operation, since my problem was fixed by destiny ? If here one goes to get his problems fixed, then why do we turn hypocritical when talking about remedial measures through astrology, Tantra or the likes ? Bhaskar. , amit tikekar <amit2206 wrote:>> No one can change the destiny of any body as the Path of Every Body's Life is set when he takes the Birth On Earth...> > When any body takes the Birth his Death Also takes the Birth which is a ulimate Truth. What you can do in the life span is to do the Good "Karma" which gives the good fruits to you and your future generations> > --- On Sun, 3/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: jyotish v/s tantra> > Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 3:49 PM> > > > > > > > > Pragathi,> > We have not asked for your advice, but you have asked .> The way you are talking I can very well understand why > you loose your clients.> > Tantra is powerful yes, but any idiot cannot learn Tantra. > Because surgery is more powerful so we must stop taking > medications but go directly for surgery ? What preposterous > talking are you doing ?> > People have not lost faith in divinations due > to power of Tantra, they have lost faith because idiots are > practising Divinations. Learn Tarot properly and you> too will have food clientage. Dont blame Tantra or their> practioners.> > Tantra cannot bring good luck to everyone because as I said in my previous mail, everybody is not fortunate enough.> > You are talking like a first class fool. Do not waste my time > please.> > Bhaskar.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "pragathi" jinaspice@ ..> wrote:> >> > Mr. Bhaskar,> > > > If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination.> > > > Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered.> > > > I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black magic kills the person.> > > > There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra.> > > > Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, do japa and do dhana.> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta.cricket.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Dear friends, Please dont under-estimate Tantra, It’s not easy to implement or to do. I agree some people are misusing the same. But according to my knowledge Jyotishyam and Tantram are having relations and links also. In tantras there are some processes which can say your horoscopes and all. One example in our jyothishyam is we will say upasana daivam from 8th and 9th places. Likely in tantra there is a process called ARVANA chakram says which  GOD will be good and bad for you. May be you all know about ANJANAM ,Prasna and all (Prasana is like our Chappannam with prutchakas). Even some yakshinis also there like Karna Paisachi and all. Some vaama chara cults are there, they can do anything if they have horoscope (they will worship adhi and pratyadhi devathas for our dwadasa bhavas). Please note tantra is a fire; you have to use it properly. Jyothisham is sastram came very later to tantras, but we are all known our client is going to be harassed by tantras or not. If I say anything wrong please anyone can correct me.  Thank you Narasimha --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: jyotish v/s tantra Sunday, May 3, 2009, 5:01 AM Please read about " Dridha Karma " and " Adridha Karma " . What is it wrt the present birth and wrt the previous birth in relation to the rinabandhans and the consequences to be effected in this birth in an individuals Life. Only the major issues of Life are set and pre-determined, and not the minor ones. The 10th house of Karma, the 3rd house, and the 6th house allow a native a good enough space for making improvements and changes in his present Life, subject to the maximum demarcations allowed which only the individual can know when he reaches those demarcation levels. Also read what is " Muhurtha " and how it enables one to reduce the evil effects in ones Life. Read about Mantras and Japa, how it reduces ones burden of " Paap karma " in Life. Read about the great temples of India, and ask those who go regularly to these temples, how they feel, how their approach towards Life and circumstances, situations in general have changed over a period of time. Those who say they cannot change their destines do not know the powers they hold within. No use talking with them too, for they have not reached such levels of understanding. They just need proofs for everything, but would never ask their parents proof for their own birth and parentage. If a Robbery was fixed, an accident was fixed, a Rape was fixed, a Bomb blast was fixed, then why do we need the law enforcing agencies please enlighthen . If we live Life with a understanding that age and death is fixed then why work at all ? Since death is fixed , and one will not die till that age and will keep getting morning lunch and evening dinner served in a plate without doing anything ??? Who knows properly what is Fixed for him and not ? Either accept that You know what is Fixed for you, or else accept that I need this knowledge from external sources like soothsayers, Crystal Gazers, Yogis, Saints and Astrologers. The Ancient Rishi Munis were not fools to have prescribed remedial measures for every Mahadasha and antardasha of ones Life, if the evil tendencies could not have been reduced or the benefic influences could not have been strengthened. One has a head on his body which he himself owns, but can he control his own heads ache ? No he cant. He needs a Parecetmol tablet to contain the headache. He cannot sit tight saying that this headache was fixed by my destiny so I will suffer. I will not go to Doctor. Or if I have a major health problem I will not go to Surgeon for operation, since my problem was fixed by destiny ? If here one goes to get his problems fixed, then why do we turn hypocritical when talking about remedial measures through astrology, Tantra or the likes ? Bhaskar.   ancient_indian_ astrology, amit tikekar <amit2206 wrote: > > No one can change the destiny of any body as the Path of Every Body's Life is set when he takes the Birth On Earth... >  > When any body takes the Birth his Death Also takes the Birth which is a ulimate Truth. What you can do in the life span is to do the Good " Karma " which gives the good fruits to you and your future generations > > --- On Sun, 3/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: jyotish v/s tantra > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 3:49 PM > > Pragathi, > > We have not asked for your advice, but you have asked . > The way you are talking I can very well understand why > you loose your clients. > > Tantra is powerful yes, but any idiot cannot learn Tantra. > Because surgery is more powerful so we must stop taking > medications but go directly for surgery ? What preposterous > talking are you doing ? > > People have not lost faith in divinations due > to power of Tantra, they have lost faith because idiots are > practising Divinations. Learn Tarot properly and you > too will have food clientage. Dont blame Tantra or their > practioners. > > Tantra cannot bring good luck to everyone because as I said in my previous mail, everybody is not fortunate enough. > > You are talking like a first class fool. Do not waste my time > please. > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " pragathi " jinaspice@ ..> wrote: > > > > Mr. Bhaskar, > > > > If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination. > > > > Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered. > > > > I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black magic kills the person. > > > > There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra. > > > > Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, do japa and do dhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Dear friends, Before anyone gets any wrong ideas, " Karna Pisachini Mantra " is actually easy to learn and obtain siddhi, within a weeks time normally, but must not be indulged in. Because the pisachini who is alloted to you will only be able to talk in your ears about the past and the present, but does not know anything about the future, so all one can do with this siddhi is to impress anybody by talking correctly about his past. When the person who indulges in this, dies, he is taken away by the same pisachini and made to work for her, for the next 1000 years or so, Therefore those who may get too interested , BEWARE and STAY AWAY. Bhaskar. , " J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao " <narsimha6 wrote: > > Dear friends, > Please dont under-estimate Tantra, It’s not easy to implement or to do. I agree some people are misusing the same. But according to my knowledge Jyotishyam and Tantram are having relations and links also. In tantras there are some processes which can say your horoscopes and all. One example in our jyothishyam is we will say upasana daivam from 8th and 9th places. Likely in tantra there is a process called ARVANA chakram says which  GOD will be good and bad for you. May be you all know about ANJANAM ,Prasna and all (Prasana is like our Chappannam with prutchakas). Even some yakshinis also there like Karna Paisachi and all. Some vaama chara cults are there, they can do anything if they have horoscope (they will worship adhi and pratyadhi devathas for our dwadasa bhavas). Please note tantra is a fire; you have to use it properly. Jyothisham is sastram came very later to tantras, but we are all known our client is going to be harassed by tantras or > not. If I say anything wrong please anyone can correct me. >  > > Thank you > Narasimha > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: jyotish v/s tantra > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 5:01 AM > > > Please read about " Dridha Karma " and " Adridha Karma " . What is it wrt the present birth and wrt the previous birth in relation to the rinabandhans and the consequences to be effected in this birth in an individuals Life. > Only the major issues of Life are set and pre-determined, and not the minor ones. > The 10th house of Karma, the 3rd house, and the 6th house allow a native a good enough space for making improvements and changes in his present Life, subject to the maximum demarcations allowed which only the individual can know when he reaches those demarcation levels. > Also read what is " Muhurtha " and how it enables one to reduce the evil effects in ones Life. > Read about Mantras and Japa, how it reduces ones burden of " Paap karma " in Life. > Read about the great temples of India, and ask those who go regularly to these temples, how they feel, how their approach towards Life and circumstances, situations in general have changed over a period of time. > Those who say they cannot change their destines do not know the powers they hold within. No use talking with them too, for they have not reached such levels of understanding. They just need proofs for everything, but would never ask their parents proof for their own birth and parentage. > If a Robbery was fixed, an accident was fixed, a Rape was fixed, a Bomb blast was fixed, then why do we need the law enforcing agencies please enlighthen . If we live Life with a understanding that age and death is fixed then why work at all ? Since death is fixed , and one will not die till that age and will keep getting morning lunch and evening dinner served in a plate without doing anything ??? > Who knows properly what is Fixed for him and not ? > Either accept that You know what is Fixed for you, or else accept that I need this knowledge from external sources like soothsayers, Crystal Gazers, Yogis, Saints and Astrologers. > The Ancient Rishi Munis were not fools to have prescribed remedial measures for every Mahadasha and antardasha of ones Life, if the evil tendencies could not have been reduced or the benefic influences could not have been strengthened. > One has a head on his body which he himself owns, but can he control his own heads ache ? No he cant. He needs a Parecetmol tablet to contain the headache. He cannot sit tight saying that this headache was fixed by my destiny so I will suffer. I will not go to Doctor. Or if I have a major health problem I will not go to Surgeon for operation, since my problem was fixed by destiny ? If here one goes to get his problems fixed, then why do we turn hypocritical when talking about remedial measures through astrology, Tantra or the likes ? > Bhaskar. >  >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, amit tikekar amit2206@ wrote: > > > > No one can change the destiny of any body as the Path of Every Body's Life is set when he takes the Birth On Earth... > >  > > When any body takes the Birth his Death Also takes the Birth which is a ulimate Truth. What you can do in the life span is to do the Good " Karma " which gives the good fruits to you and your future generations > > > > --- On Sun, 3/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: jyotish v/s tantra > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 3:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pragathi, > > > > We have not asked for your advice, but you have asked . > > The way you are talking I can very well understand why > > you loose your clients. > > > > Tantra is powerful yes, but any idiot cannot learn Tantra. > > Because surgery is more powerful so we must stop taking > > medications but go directly for surgery ? What preposterous > > talking are you doing ? > > > > People have not lost faith in divinations due > > to power of Tantra, they have lost faith because idiots are > > practising Divinations. Learn Tarot properly and you > > too will have food clientage. Dont blame Tantra or their > > practioners. > > > > Tantra cannot bring good luck to everyone because as I said in my previous mail, everybody is not fortunate enough. > > > > You are talking like a first class fool. Do not waste my time > > please. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " pragathi " jinaspice@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Bhaskar, > > > > > > If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination. > > > > > > Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered. > > > > > > I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black magic kills the person. > > > > > > There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra. > > > > > > Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, do japa and do dhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Dear Friends, Yeah, I agree with Bhaskarji, please dnt go to tantra sadhanas those are very very risky. Just for information I mentioned. Thank you Narasimha --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: jyotish v/s tantra Monday, May 4, 2009, 10:12 AM Dear friends, Before anyone gets any wrong ideas, " Karna Pisachini Mantra " is actually easy to learn and obtain siddhi, within a weeks time normally, but must not be indulged in. Because the pisachini who is alloted to you will only be able to talk in your ears about the past and the present, but does not know anything about the future, so all one can do with this siddhi is to impress anybody by talking correctly about his past. When the person who indulges in this, dies, he is taken away by the same pisachini and made to work for her, for the next 1000 years or so, Therefore those who may get too interested , BEWARE and STAY AWAY. Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, " J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao " <narsimha6@. ..> wrote: > > Dear friends, > Please dont under-estimate Tantra, It’s not easy to implement or to do. I agree some people are misusing the same. But according to my knowledge Jyotishyam and Tantram are having relations and links also. In tantras there are some processes which can say your horoscopes and all. One example in our jyothishyam is we will say upasana daivam from 8th and 9th places. Likely in tantra there is a process called ARVANA chakram says which  GOD will be good and bad for you. May be you all know about ANJANAM ,Prasna and all (Prasana is like our Chappannam with prutchakas). Even some yakshinis also there like Karna Paisachi and all. Some vaama chara cults are there, they can do anything if they have horoscope (they will worship adhi and pratyadhi devathas for our dwadasa bhavas). Please note tantra is a fire; you have to use it properly. Jyothisham is sastram came very later to tantras, but we are all known our client is going to be harassed by tantras or > not. If I say anything wrong please anyone can correct me. >  > > Thank you > Narasimha > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: jyotish v/s tantra > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 5:01 AM > > > Please read about " Dridha Karma " and " Adridha Karma " . What is it wrt the present birth and wrt the previous birth in relation to the rinabandhans and the consequences to be effected in this birth in an individuals Life. > Only the major issues of Life are set and pre-determined, and not the minor ones. > The 10th house of Karma, the 3rd house, and the 6th house allow a native a good enough space for making improvements and changes in his present Life, subject to the maximum demarcations allowed which only the individual can know when he reaches those demarcation levels. > Also read what is " Muhurtha " and how it enables one to reduce the evil effects in ones Life. > Read about Mantras and Japa, how it reduces ones burden of " Paap karma " in Life. > Read about the great temples of India, and ask those who go regularly to these temples, how they feel, how their approach towards Life and circumstances, situations in general have changed over a period of time. > Those who say they cannot change their destines do not know the powers they hold within. No use talking with them too, for they have not reached such levels of understanding. They just need proofs for everything, but would never ask their parents proof for their own birth and parentage. > If a Robbery was fixed, an accident was fixed, a Rape was fixed, a Bomb blast was fixed, then why do we need the law enforcing agencies please enlighthen . If we live Life with a understanding that age and death is fixed then why work at all ? Since death is fixed , and one will not die till that age and will keep getting morning lunch and evening dinner served in a plate without doing anything ??? > Who knows properly what is Fixed for him and not ? > Either accept that You know what is Fixed for you, or else accept that I need this knowledge from external sources like soothsayers, Crystal Gazers, Yogis, Saints and Astrologers. > The Ancient Rishi Munis were not fools to have prescribed remedial measures for every Mahadasha and antardasha of ones Life, if the evil tendencies could not have been reduced or the benefic influences could not have been strengthened. > One has a head on his body which he himself owns, but can he control his own heads ache ? No he cant. He needs a Parecetmol tablet to contain the headache. He cannot sit tight saying that this headache was fixed by my destiny so I will suffer. I will not go to Doctor. Or if I have a major health problem I will not go to Surgeon for operation, since my problem was fixed by destiny ? If here one goes to get his problems fixed, then why do we turn hypocritical when talking about remedial measures through astrology, Tantra or the likes ? > Bhaskar. >  >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, amit tikekar amit2206@ wrote: > > > > No one can change the destiny of any body as the Path of Every Body's Life is set when he takes the Birth On Earth... > >  > > When any body takes the Birth his Death Also takes the Birth which is a ulimate Truth. What you can do in the life span is to do the Good " Karma " which gives the good fruits to you and your future generations > > > > --- On Sun, 3/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: jyotish v/s tantra > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 3:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pragathi, > > > > We have not asked for your advice, but you have asked . > > The way you are talking I can very well understand why > > you loose your clients. > > > > Tantra is powerful yes, but any idiot cannot learn Tantra. > > Because surgery is more powerful so we must stop taking > > medications but go directly for surgery ? What preposterous > > talking are you doing ? > > > > People have not lost faith in divinations due > > to power of Tantra, they have lost faith because idiots are > > practising Divinations. Learn Tarot properly and you > > too will have food clientage. Dont blame Tantra or their > > practioners. > > > > Tantra cannot bring good luck to everyone because as I said in my previous mail, everybody is not fortunate enough. > > > > You are talking like a first class fool. Do not waste my time > > please. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " pragathi " jinaspice@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Bhaskar, > > > > > > If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination. > > > > > > Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered. > > > > > > I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black magic kills the person. > > > > > > There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra. > > > > > > Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, do japa and do dhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Narasimha, Tantra has many uses---Tantra means " Tan " the body, which needs to be protected---its the meaning & use of Tantra. Well Tantra has many applications---Primarily, Shatakarma being Shanti, Vashikaran, Uchhatana,Samhara,Stambhana and Vidveshana. Tantras are born in Vedas---specially people who have read " Atharva veda " knows it--many applications, for remedial aspects (certainly not astrological remedial aspects!!) are in Atharva Veda. Tantrasadhana is risky---either you will go to the height else, a fall---if your aim is for " Bhoga " a deep fall, if " Yoga " , certainly you will gain new heights. Needless to say the 5M's test the person who is practising Tantra....it being Matsya, Mangsha,Mudra, Madya & Maithuna(Generally misunderstood n misapplied to something in the western countries as " Tantrik Sex!! " ). Again the Tantras have 3 Sadhanas/Bhavas---Veerbhava, PashuBhava n PurushaBhava. Tantra is not like reading book & applying them...not a cookbook. For Tantras, a right guru is certainly required!!Tantras itself give its pros & cons in every application. Look at the life of SHree Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Thank you, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Dear Bhaskar-ji, You mean, " No Short cuts " . regards Chakraborty Bhaskar [bhaskar_jyotish] Monday, May 04, 2009 10:43 PM Re: jyotish v/s tantra Dear friends, Before anyone gets any wrong ideas, " Karna Pisachini Mantra " is actually easy to learn and obtain siddhi, within a weeks time normally, but must not be indulged in. Because the pisachini who is alloted to you will only be able to talk in your ears about the past and the present, but does not know anything about the future, so all one can do with this siddhi is to impress anybody by talking correctly about his past. When the person who indulges in this, dies, he is taken away by the same pisachini and made to work for her, for the next 1000 years or so, Therefore those who may get too interested , BEWARE and STAY AWAY. Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao " <narsimha6 wrote: > > Dear friends, > Please dont under-estimate Tantra, ItâEURs not easy to implement or to do. I agree some people are misusing the same. But according to my knowledge Jyotishyam and Tantram are having relations and links also. In tantras there are some processes which can say your horoscopes and all. One example in our jyothishyam is we will say upasana daivam from 8th and 9th places. Likely in tantra there is a process called ARVANA chakram says which  GOD will be good and bad for you. May be you all know about ANJANAM ,Prasna and all (Prasana is like our Chappannam with prutchakas). Even some yakshinis also there like Karna Paisachi and all. Some vaama chara cults are there, they can do anything if they have horoscope (they will worship adhi and pratyadhi devathas for our dwadasa bhavas). Please note tantra is a fire; you have to use it properly. Jyothisham is sastram came very later to tantras, but we are all known our client is going to be harassed by tantras or > not. If I say anything wrong please anyone can correct me. >  > > Thank you > Narasimha > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: jyotish v/s tantra > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 5:01 AM > > > > > Please read about " Dridha Karma " and " Adridha Karma " . What is it wrt the present birth and wrt the previous birth in relation to the rinabandhans and the consequences to be effected in this birth in an individuals Life. > Only the major issues of Life are set and pre-determined, and not the minor ones. > The 10th house of Karma, the 3rd house, and the 6th house allow a native a good enough space for making improvements and changes in his present Life, subject to the maximum demarcations allowed which only the individual can know when he reaches those demarcation levels. > Also read what is " Muhurtha " and how it enables one to reduce the evil effects in ones Life. > Read about Mantras and Japa, how it reduces ones burden of " Paap karma " in Life. > Read about the great temples of India, and ask those who go regularly to these temples, how they feel, how their approach towards Life and circumstances, situations in general have changed over a period of time. > Those who say they cannot change their destines do not know the powers they hold within. No use talking with them too, for they have not reached such levels of understanding. They just need proofs for everything, but would never ask their parents proof for their own birth and parentage. > If a Robbery was fixed, an accident was fixed, a Rape was fixed, a Bomb blast was fixed, then why do we need the law enforcing agencies please enlighthen . If we live Life with a understanding that age and death is fixed then why work at all ? Since death is fixed , and one will not die till that age and will keep getting morning lunch and evening dinner served in a plate without doing anything ??? > Who knows properly what is Fixed for him and not ? > Either accept that You know what is Fixed for you, or else accept that I need this knowledge from external sources like soothsayers, Crystal Gazers, Yogis, Saints and Astrologers. > The Ancient Rishi Munis were not fools to have prescribed remedial measures for every Mahadasha and antardasha of ones Life, if the evil tendencies could not have been reduced or the benefic influences could not have been strengthened. > One has a head on his body which he himself owns, but can he control his own heads ache ? No he cant. He needs a Parecetmol tablet to contain the headache. He cannot sit tight saying that this headache was fixed by my destiny so I will suffer. I will not go to Doctor. Or if I have a major health problem I will not go to Surgeon for operation, since my problem was fixed by destiny ? If here one goes to get his problems fixed, then why do we turn hypocritical when talking about remedial measures through astrology, Tantra or the likes ? > Bhaskar. >  >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, amit tikekar amit2206@ wrote: > > > > No one can change the destiny of any body as the Path of Every Body's Life is set when he takes the Birth On Earth... > >  > > When any body takes the Birth his Death Also takes the Birth which is a ulimate Truth. What you can do in the life span is to do the Good " Karma " which gives the good fruits to you and your future generations > > > > --- On Sun, 3/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: jyotish v/s tantra > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 3:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pragathi, > > > > We have not asked for your advice, but you have asked . > > The way you are talking I can very well understand why > > you loose your clients. > > > > Tantra is powerful yes, but any idiot cannot learn Tantra. > > Because surgery is more powerful so we must stop taking > > medications but go directly for surgery ? What preposterous > > talking are you doing ? > > > > People have not lost faith in divinations due > > to power of Tantra, they have lost faith because idiots are > > practising Divinations. Learn Tarot properly and you > > too will have food clientage. Dont blame Tantra or their > > practioners. > > > > Tantra cannot bring good luck to everyone because as I said in my previous mail, everybody is not fortunate enough. > > > > You are talking like a first class fool. Do not waste my time > > please. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " pragathi " jinaspice@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Bhaskar, > > > > > > If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination. > > > > > > Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered. > > > > > > I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black magic kills the person. > > > > > > There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra. > > > > > > Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, do japa and do dhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. <http://beta.> cricket.. com > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Dear Chakroborty ji, Yes , " No Short cuts " . Better to walk on the trodden paths by most. Our Lords Rama, Krishna, Shankara and faith in them is enough. Maybe the results would be slow, but better late than never. Those wanting to make fast and quick money at times loose badly in the stock markets and end up loosing their lives through jumping from their flats or some other such means. Those who want to build their body fast, end up making muscles on their arms, within few weeks, but bulging at the wrong places making them look roadside body builders. Without a good " Guru " and without him having a good " Shishya " , Tantra is not going to work, the way it should. best wishes, Bhaskar. - In , CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar-ji, > > You mean, " No Short cuts " . > > regards > > Chakraborty > > > Bhaskar [bhaskar_jyotish] > Monday, May 04, 2009 10:43 PM > > Re: jyotish v/s tantra > > > > Dear friends, > > Before anyone gets any wrong ideas, " Karna Pisachini Mantra " is > actually easy to learn and obtain siddhi, within a weeks time normally, > but must not be indulged in. Because the pisachini who is alloted to you > will only be able to talk in your ears about the past and the present, > but does not know anything about the future, so all one can do with this > siddhi is to impress anybody by talking correctly about his past. When > the person who indulges in this, dies, he is taken away by the same > pisachini and made to work for her, for the next 1000 years or so, > Therefore those who may get too interested , BEWARE and STAY AWAY. > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " J.B.S.L. Narasimha > Rao " narsimha6@ wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > Please dont under-estimate Tantra, ItâEURs not easy to implement > or to do. I agree some people are misusing the same. But according to my > knowledge Jyotishyam and Tantram are having relations and links also. In > tantras there are some processes which can say your horoscopes and all. > One example in our jyothishyam is we will say upasana daivam from 8th > and 9th places. Likely in tantra there is a process called ARVANA > chakram says which  GOD will be good and bad for you. May be you all > know about ANJANAM ,Prasna and all (Prasana is like our Chappannam with > prutchakas). Even some yakshinis also there like Karna Paisachi and > all. Some vaama chara cults are there, they can do anything if they > have horoscope (they will worship adhi and pratyadhi devathas for our > dwadasa bhavas). Please note tantra is a fire; you have to use it > properly. Jyothisham is sastram came very later to tantras, but > we are all known our client is going to be harassed by tantras or > > not. If I say anything wrong please anyone can correct me. > >  > > > > Thank you > > Narasimha > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > Re: jyotish v/s tantra > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 5:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > Please read about " Dridha Karma " and " Adridha Karma " . What is it wrt > the present birth and wrt the previous birth in relation to the > rinabandhans and the consequences to be effected in this birth in an > individuals Life. > > Only the major issues of Life are set and pre-determined, and not the > minor ones. > > The 10th house of Karma, the 3rd house, and the 6th house allow a > native a good enough space for making improvements and changes in his > present Life, subject to the maximum demarcations allowed which only the > individual can know when he reaches those demarcation levels. > > Also read what is " Muhurtha " and how it enables one to reduce the evil > effects in ones Life. > > Read about Mantras and Japa, how it reduces ones burden of " Paap > karma " in Life. > > Read about the great temples of India, and ask those who go regularly > to these temples, how they feel, how their approach towards Life and > circumstances, situations in general have changed over a period of time. > > Those who say they cannot change their destines do not know the powers > they hold within. No use talking with them too, for they have not > reached such levels of understanding. They just need proofs for > everything, but would never ask their parents proof for their own birth > and parentage. > > If a Robbery was fixed, an accident was fixed, a Rape was fixed, a > Bomb blast was fixed, then why do we need the law enforcing agencies > please enlighthen . If we live Life with a understanding that age > and death is fixed then why work at all ? Since death is fixed , and one > will not die till that age and will keep getting morning lunch and > evening dinner served in a plate without doing anything ??? > > Who knows properly what is Fixed for him and not ? > > Either accept that You know what is Fixed for you, or else accept that > I need this knowledge from external sources like soothsayers, Crystal > Gazers, Yogis, Saints and Astrologers. > > The Ancient Rishi Munis were not fools to have prescribed remedial > measures for every Mahadasha and antardasha of ones Life, if the evil > tendencies could not have been reduced or the benefic influences could > not have been strengthened. > > One has a head on his body which he himself owns, but can he > control his own heads ache ? No he cant. He needs a Parecetmol > tablet to contain the headache. He cannot sit tight saying that this > headache was fixed by my destiny so I will suffer. I will not go to > Doctor. Or if I have a major health problem I will not go to Surgeon > for operation, since my problem was fixed by destiny ? If here one goes > to get his problems fixed, then why do we turn hypocritical when talking > about remedial measures through astrology, Tantra or the likes ? > > Bhaskar. > >  > >  > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, amit tikekar > amit2206@ wrote: > > > > > > No one can change the destiny of any body as the Path of Every > Body's Life is set when he takes the Birth On Earth... > > >  > > > When any body takes the Birth his Death Also takes the Birth which > is a ulimate Truth. What you can do in the life span is to do the Good > " Karma " which gives the good fruits to you and your future generations > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: jyotish v/s tantra > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 3 May, 2009, 3:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pragathi, > > > > > > We have not asked for your advice, but you have asked . > > > The way you are talking I can very well understand why > > > you loose your clients. > > > > > > Tantra is powerful yes, but any idiot cannot learn Tantra. > > > Because surgery is more powerful so we must stop taking > > > medications but go directly for surgery ? What preposterous > > > talking are you doing ? > > > > > > People have not lost faith in divinations due > > > to power of Tantra, they have lost faith because idiots are > > > practising Divinations. Learn Tarot properly and you > > > too will have food clientage. Dont blame Tantra or their > > > practioners. > > > > > > Tantra cannot bring good luck to everyone because as I said in my > previous mail, everybody is not fortunate enough. > > > > > > You are talking like a first class fool. Do not waste my time > > > please. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " pragathi " > jinaspice@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr. Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > If tantra is so powerful if it can alter someones destiny then its > futile to learn or study or practice astrology or any other divination. > > > > > > > > Because then all my clients conclusion will be true. If indeed > someone as cast a spell on them then the destiny is altered I may see a > person having a child but then due to black magic the event is altered. > > > > > > > > I may see sucessful career for a person on cards but again black > magic kills the person. > > > > > > > > There is a tantrik in my locality she as more clients than > me.....people have lost faith in divination due to power of tantra. > > > > > > > > Every person who as sinned in the past should than practice tantra > and bring good luck for himself. Sade sati wil be a smooth sailing > period if the person visits a tantrik, people are lazy to chant mantra, > do japa and do dhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter > http://beta. <http://beta.> cricket.. com > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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