Fwd: Is Krishna really an avatar ?

May 3, 2009

Dear Kiran ji,

Now you are right and we are thinking on common lines.

Now about reciprocation, it may be that people do not reciprocate due to

social, personal, or status problems. Does not mean that they do not

love You.

I loved a girl during my college days, 30 years back, but never expected

her reciprocation, and still love her, wherever she may be, I do not

know, how many number of grandchildren she may be having I do not know,

she always will give me pleasant memories.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, kiran dasaur

<kirandasaur wrote:

>

> yes neelamji you are right..absolutely so...If someone we love doesn't

reciprocrate...we don't stop loving him/her....If we REALLY

love.i.e.!!!.It is a matter of depth in your feelings,we have to learn

only to give & if we get back in return...SONE PE SUHAAGA...

>

> --- On Sun, 5/3/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> neelam gupta neelamgupta07

> Re: Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an

avatar ?

>

> Sunday, May 3, 2009, 1:54 PM

>

Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I am sorry. I was addressing Kiran ji, not questioning what you'd

said.

> She was talking about some quote on wants and needs. If there has to

be choice, let everyone have enough for needs.

>

> Anyhow, let me add now... as an extension,

>

> One should in any case restrict both NEEDS and WANTS to minimum.

> In that case, instead of asking for LOVE, one will learn to GIVE only.

>

> Please don't give me a lecture on my psuedo-idealism: )

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/5/3 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

>

Good. You are thinking appropriately. We , if we are proper, honest

and

> loving, would always want our admirers, lovers, close ones, to be

strong

> enough and never have the " need " for us, but always have the " want "

for

> us, with our shortcomings and negatives and whatever have you.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

>

> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > I thought that was confusing? What would one like? A desire (want)

or

> need?

> > If I say people should need me... am I not very egoistic?

> >

> > 2009/5/3 kiran dasaur kirandasaur@ ...

>

> >

> > >

> > > sorry bhaskarji

> > >

> > > ....correction. .. " .NEEDED " ...not WANTED !!!!

> > > there goes a quote....... ......... .I would never need to be

> wanted,but I

> > > would surely want to be needed

> > > & I think whosoever said it said this very APYLY..agree? ?

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar

> bhaskar_jyotish@ ...<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>

>

> > > >

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an

> avatar ?

> > >

> > > To:

> ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40yaho\

>

> ogroups.com>

> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:49 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji and Lovely Chandu 2 Chill ji,

> > > I too say the same thing but out of experience and in English and

> Hindi.

> > > Who is a Emperor in this world ?

> > > Undoubetdly the one who whether he earns Rs. 50 or Rs.5000- per

day,

> does

> > > not matter, but whenever he comes home, is greeted by a sweet

smile

> and a

> > > sweet talking women at the door. Sweetness if not there, koi gam

> nahin, par

> > > sarcasm, ironic or taints hon, toh phir 2 gaj jameen ke liye bhi

> aadmi taras

> > > jayega. At least the negatives must not be there , if not the

> sweetness,

> > > that also is enough to make a man feel like a King if not an

> Emperor.

> > > A women who can make a man realise that he is her " man " , is enough

> to

> > > suffice his existence.

> > > na maangu heera moti

> > > na maangu bangla gaadi

> > > yeh mere kis kaam ke

> > > deti hai dil ke badle mein dil ke

> > > ....... " Pyaar mein sauda nahin " .

> > > A feeling of being " wanted " is all what a human being requires in

> this big

> > > big world.

> > > Love and hugs,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > Thanks for sharing the thoughts of ancient karnatic sages. The

> quote

> > > > you provided was beautiful!

> > > > // It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)

> > > >

> > > > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu

> > > > Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda

Sarvadnya*

> > > >

> > > > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a

> Money to

> > > > meet the

> > > > expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You Lit

> Fire to

> > > > the

> > > > Heaven*///

> > > > Yes, he was so right, and so was Osho because they speak exactly

> the

> > > > same, about the same truth! I agree with that ancient karnartic

> sage

> > > > and started loving him, this moment onwards. But you missed

it

> (at

> > > > least in Osho's case), but no harm since you got a good good

> respect for

> > > > him. A good seed will act sooner or later.

> > > > Please share with us mor of his teachings - I would love to hear

> more

> > > > of his sayings. Is there any english books on the teaching of

> SARVADNYA

> > > > available? Or can you try trasilating some of his teachings and

> upload

> > > > it in the files section of the group for the benefit of all?

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" Chandu2chill "

> > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mrs. Bhagavathi Ji and respected List!!

> > > > >

> > > > > I was following this thread, please note i am not making any

> judgement

> > > > about OSHO and his followers/believers here because i see some

> turth in

> > > > every argument coming from learned people out there... be it

from

> > > > yourself, Sri Sunil Nair Ji, Sri Bharskar ji, Sreenadh Ji and

all

> > > > valuable contributors. .

> > > > >

> > > > > Allow me to share my thoughts and my views on this... i don't

> know

> > > > much about OSHO just heard/read long time back (since my

childhood

> days)

> > > > same old +ve and -Ve aspects of and about him which is again

> discussed

> > > > here...

> > > > >

> > > > > I hail from North Karntaka where many elivated souls, Saadhu

> > > > Mahapurashas were lived and thrived once. They are called LIVING

> LEGENDS

> > > > and thier Philosophy of LIFE is very Simple and POWERFUL you no

> need to

> > > > do any meditaton just have to understand the inner meaning of

> their

> > > > teaching and follow that life path.

> > > > >

> > > > > let me quote one of the *Vachana* (It is called Vahana

Saahitya

> of

> > > > Sarvadnya) of great philosopher who lived i guess in 16/17th

> Century he

> > > > is called *SARVADNYA* his teachings are in Dwipadi/Tripaid (Two

> and

> > > > Three line quotes) in poetic form (Any Member(s) here from

> HUBLI-DHARWAD

> > > > or North part of Karnataka may correct me and share more info on

> this

> > > > please)

> > > > >

> > > > > He said and i quote

> > > > >

> > > > > It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)

> > > > >

> > > > > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu

> > > > > Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda

> Sarvadnya*

> > > > >

> > > > > If i loosely translate in English (my English is not that

good),

> he

> > > > says clearly and you see HOW TRUE it is..

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a

> Money

> > > > to meet the expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you,

> THEN *You

> > > > Lit Fire to the Heaven*

> > > > >

> > > > > Then no one needs this OSHO type of people is my personal

> view...

> > > > >

> > > > > I completely agree ALL your Responses to Sri Bhaskar Ji at the

> same

> > > > time what Bhaskaji has mentioned is ALSO the present dayp

> Practical

> > > > happenings in India..

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > >

> > > > > bhagavathi_harihara n bhagavathi_harihara n@

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna

> really an

> > > > avatar?

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 4:02 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //You said he had HIV, but I dont think HIV was rampant that

> time or

> > > > so common as of today.//

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not say that he had HIV, a possibility. He died in 1990.

> The

> > > > first reported case of HIV in India was in 1986. I started

working

> in

> > > > clinical microbiology in 1994. That time, we worked only on TB

and

> HIV.

> > > > I was part of an active research on HIV in India. I myself

> reported

> > > > three full blown cases in 1994. In the US, it was widespread in

> the 80's

> > > > itself. The organism was identified and major research was

> completed in

> > > > 1986 itself. There was a major controversy between a french and

a

> US

> > > > group in identification of this virus. Ultimately, the

recognition

> went

> > > > to the French group.

> > > > >

> > > > > // In India most of the households are suffering from lack of

> proper

> > > > sex. Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number

of

> > > > reasons. The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties but

> deprived

> > > > of the pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame

neither

> the

> > > > men nor the women. But living such a Life where one cant express

> himself

> > > > to his partner what he wants, and every private affair and

> rendezvou

> > > > becomes just a formality, is just a eyewash.//

> > > > >

> > > > > The meaning of marriage in India is much much beyond " sex " . It

> needs

> > > > deeper understanding. How did our grandparents have 14 children,

> without

> > > > sex? Sex is meant for procreation (even the ancient Indian Kings

> had

> > > > many wives, for the sake of family), that is the law, when it is

> > > > exchanged for pleasure, the society changes to something else...

> this is

> > > > well known. So the choice is always open, you marry for a family

> or you

> > > > marry just for pleasure- no family

> > > > >

> > > > > //Most marriages in our circles are all broken long back but

> allowed

> > > > legally to remain just for social reputation and family status.

> The

> > > > husbands and wives live like complete strangers in their

bedrooms

> and

> > > > meet probably once a month on the physical level for formality,

> just

> > > > because it has to be finished with. Out of ridicule, fear and

> > > > ostracisation no body has the guts to speak out about what they

> miss in

> > > > their lives and what they want.//

> > > > >

> > > > > This maybe the condition with the modern Indian Society, which

> is

> > > > falling. True, we had the era of Savitri, we will see draupadis,

> > > > rishyasringas, kunti-putras etc

> > > > >

> > > > > // Though I am like Dev anand and would never consider myself

> old.

> > > > > He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many

> Indians can

> > > > > pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was

> not

> > > > > handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Pulling foreign ladies by Indian men is the easiest thing to

do.

> White

> > > > women are easily susceptible to spiritualism. They like to

> experiment

> > > > everything. (Teenagers get pregnant to have a feel of it) Since

> you are

> > > > like Dev Anand, you can be even powerful than OSHO. If you don

the

> role

> > > > of a spiritual Baba and wait at the Los Angeles airport for 4

> hours, you

> > > > can see 400 women line up after you. Wish you good luck!!!! But

> after

> > > > experimentation, they will go away. Be careful.

> > > > >

> > > > > bhagavathi

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 3, 2009

AND in my view...to need something or someone may not ALWAYS mean HELPLESSNESS...you have evey right to differ in your views..........--- On Sun, 5/3/09, kiran dasaur <kirandasaur wrote:

kiran dasaur <kirandasaurRe: Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ? Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 2:06 PM

yes neelamji you are right..absolutely so...If someone we love doesn't reciprocrate. ..we don't stop loving him/her....If we REALLY love.i.e.!!! .It is a matter of depth in your feelings,we have to learn only to give & if we get back in return...SONE PE SUHAAGA... --- On Sun, 5/3/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ?ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, May 3, 2009, 1:54 PM

Dear Bhaskar ji,I am sorry. I was addressing Kiran ji, not questioning what you'd said.She was talking about some quote on wants and needs. If there has to be choice, let everyone have enough for needs.Anyhow, let me add now... as an extension,One should in any case restrict both NEEDS and WANTS to minimum.In that case, instead of asking for LOVE, one will learn to GIVE only.Please don't give me a lecture on my psuedo-idealism: )RegardsNeelam

2009/5/3 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

Good. You are thinking appropriately. We , if we are proper, honest andloving, would always want our admirers, lovers, close ones, to be strongenough and never have the "need" for us, but always have the "want" forus, with our shortcomings and negatives and whatever have you.regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> I thought that was confusing? What would one like? A desire (want) orneed?> If I say people should need me... am I not very egoistic?>>>> 2009/5/3 kiran dasaur kirandasaur@ ... >> >> >> > sorry bhaskarji> >> > ....correction. ..".NEEDED "...not WANTED !!!!> > there goes a quote....... ......... .I would never need to bewanted,but I> > would surely want to be needed> > & I think whosoever said it said this very APYLY..agree? ?> >> > --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskarbhaskar_jyotish@ ...<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>>> > wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in> > > >> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really anavatar ?> >> > To:ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40yaho\

ogroups.com>> > Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:49 AM> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji and Lovely Chandu 2 Chill ji,> > I too say the same thing but out of experience and in English andHindi.> > Who is a Emperor in this world ?> > Undoubetdly the one who whether he earns Rs. 50 or Rs.5000- per day,does> > not matter, but whenever he comes home, is greeted by a sweet smileand a> > sweet talking women at the door. Sweetness if not there, koi gamnahin, par> > sarcasm, ironic or taints hon, toh phir 2 gaj jameen ke liye bhiaadmi taras> > jayega. At least the negatives must not be there , if not thesweetness,> > that also is enough to make a man feel like a King if not anEmperor.> > A women who can make a man realise that he is her "man", is

enoughto> > suffice his existence.> > na maangu heera moti> > na maangu bangla gaadi> > yeh mere kis kaam ke> > deti hai dil ke badle mein dil ke> > ......."Pyaar mein sauda nahin".> > A feeling of being "wanted" is all what a human being requires inthis big> > big world.> > Love and hugs,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"sreesog@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandu ji,> > > Thanks for sharing the thoughts of ancient karnatic sages. Thequote> > > you provided was beautiful!> > > // It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)> > >> > > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu> > > Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda

Sarvadnya*> > >> > > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),aMoney to> > > meet the> > > expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You LitFire to> > > the> > > Heaven*///> > > Yes, he was so right, and so was Osho because they speak exactlythe> > > same, about the same truth! I agree with that ancient karnarticsage> > > and started loving him, this moment onwards. But you missed it(at> > > least in Osho's case), but no harm since you got a good goodrespect for> > > him. A good seed will act sooner or later. > > > Please share with us mor of his teachings - I would love to hearmore> > > of his sayings. Is there any english books on the teaching ofSARVADNYA> > > available? Or can you try trasilating some

of his teachings andupload> > > it in the files section of the group for the benefit of all?> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chandu2chill"> > > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mrs. Bhagavathi Ji and respected List!!> > > >> > > > I was following this thread, please note i am not making anyjudgement> > > about OSHO and his followers/believers here because i see someturth in> > > every argument coming from learned people out there... be it from> > > yourself, Sri Sunil Nair Ji, Sri Bharskar ji, Sreenadh Ji and all> > > valuable contributors. .> > > >> > > > Allow me to share my thoughts and my views on this... i don'tknow> > >

much about OSHO just heard/read long time back (since my childhooddays)> > > same old +ve and -Ve aspects of and about him which is againdiscussed> > > here...> > > >> > > > I hail from North Karntaka where many elivated souls, Saadhu> > > Mahapurashas were lived and thrived once. They are called LIVINGLEGENDS> > > and thier Philosophy of LIFE is very Simple and POWERFUL you noneed to> > > do any meditaton just have to understand the inner meaning oftheir> > > teaching and follow that life path.> > > >> > > > let me quote one of the *Vachana* (It is called Vahana Saahityaof> > > Sarvadnya) of great philosopher who lived i guess in 16/17thCentury he> > > is called *SARVADNYA* his teachings are in Dwipadi/Tripaid (Twoand> > > Three line quotes)

in poetic form (Any Member(s) here fromHUBLI-DHARWAD> > > or North part of Karnataka may correct me and share more info onthis> > > please)> > > >> > > > He said and i quote> > > >> > > > It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)> > > >> > > > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu> > > > Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu andaSarvadnya*> > > >> > > > If i loosely translate in English (my English is not that good),he> > > says clearly and you see HOW TRUE it is..> > > >> > > > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),aMoney> > > to meet the expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you,THEN *You> > > Lit Fire to the Heaven*> > > >>

> > > Then no one needs this OSHO type of people is my personalview...> > > >> > > > I completely agree ALL your Responses to Sri Bhaskar Ji at thesame> > > time what Bhaskaji has mentioned is ALSO the present daypPractical> > > happenings in India..> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Chandu2Chill> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > bhagavathi_harihara n bhagavathi_harihara n@> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishnareally an> > > avatar?> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 4:02 AM> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > >> > > > //You said he had

HIV, but I dont think HIV was rampant thattime or> > > so common as of today.//> > > >> > > > I do not say that he had HIV, a possibility. He died in 1990.The> > > first reported case of HIV in India was in 1986. I started workingin> > > clinical microbiology in 1994. That time, we worked only on TB andHIV.> > > I was part of an active research on HIV in India. I myselfreported> > > three full blown cases in 1994. In the US, it was widespread inthe 80's> > > itself. The organism was identified and major research wascompleted in> > > 1986 itself. There was a major controversy between a french and aUS> > > group in identification of this virus. Ultimately, the recognitionwent> > > to the French group.> > > >> > > > // In India most of the

households are suffering from lack ofproper> > > sex. Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of> > > reasons. The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties butdeprived> > > of the pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame neitherthe> > > men nor the women. But living such a Life where one cant expresshimself> > > to his partner what he wants, and every private affair andrendezvou> > > becomes just a formality, is just a eyewash.//> > > >> > > > The meaning of marriage in India is much much beyond "sex". Itneeds> > > deeper understanding. How did our grandparents have 14 children,without> > > sex? Sex is meant for procreation (even the ancient Indian Kingshad> > > many wives, for the sake of family), that is the law, when it is> >

> exchanged for pleasure, the society changes to something else...this is> > > well known. So the choice is always open, you marry for a familyor you> > > marry just for pleasure- no family> > > >> > > > //Most marriages in our circles are all broken long back butallowed> > > legally to remain just for social reputation and family status.The> > > husbands and wives live like complete strangers in their bedroomsand> > > meet probably once a month on the physical level for formality,just> > > because it has to be finished with. Out of ridicule, fear and> > > ostracisation no body has the guts to speak out about what theymiss in> > > their lives and what they want.//> > > >> > > > This maybe the condition with the modern Indian Society, whichis> >

> falling. True, we had the era of Savitri, we will see draupadis,> > > rishyasringas, kunti-putras etc> > > >> > > >> > > > // Though I am like Dev anand and would never consider myselfold.> > > > He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How manyIndians can> > > > pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he wasnot> > > > handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.//> > > >> > > > Pulling foreign ladies by Indian men is the easiest thing to do.White> > > women are easily susceptible to spiritualism. They like toexperiment> > > everything. (Teenagers get pregnant to have a feel of it) Sinceyou are> > > like Dev Anand, you can be even powerful than OSHO. If you don therole> > > of a spiritual Baba and

wait at the Los Angeles airport for 4hours, you> > > can see 400 women line up after you. Wish you good luck!!!! Butafter> > > experimentation, they will go away. Be careful.> > > >> > > >> > > > bhagavathi> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

May 3, 2009

in my view greed is when you want something even when your needs have been met with... & why ARE we STUCK on needs & wants?whether you need or want & whether I need or want is our own matter of choice...I think want is superficial & need is deep...you may be thinking differently...--- On Sun, 5/3/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ? Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 2:13 PM

Dear Kiran ji,Somebody said, there is enough for our NEED but not for our GREED!Where does WANT figure in here? Could you please explain.Hope I am not confusing you.RegardsNeelam

2009/5/3 kiran dasaur <kirandasaur@ >

yes neelamji you are right..absolutely so...If someone we love doesn't reciprocrate. ..we don't stop loving him/her....If we REALLY love.i.e.!!! .It is a matter of depth in your feelings,we have to learn only to give & if we get back in return...SONE PE SUHAAGA...

--- On Sun, 5/3/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ?

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, May 3, 2009, 1:54 PM