Fwd: Is Krishna really an avatar ?

May 1, 2009

Dear Bhagavati ji, Read at least one book of Osho and create you first hand opinion about him, instead of depending on second and third hand opinions. I hope your opinion will change. For me - Osho is one of the greatest and most sincere masters ever on earth. I feel the same rhythm and truth vibrating in me - and I feel one with him (he must have felt one with me and the whole of humanity itself as well). Yes, I agree that he was a scoundrel - otherwise how can he say the truths without any hesitation and fear on face - 24 x 7 always - and always remain in consciousness?! The only mistake he did - he believed in his lady sishyas too much (more than his male sishyas) - a flow, and a big mistake! That not knowing women, and considering her as more devine, soft and pure than man (and not simply as - as devine as man only) - caused him his pitfall, and life. Yes, he was a scoundral - but a lovely one. As a kerala peot said - he loves the bitterness of suger, I too love the scoundrelness of Osho. He is a true scoundral like Krishna - who escape every effortto comprehend! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear all,> > I saw this discussion on OSHO at the time I am supposed to be analyzing a book on bioterrorism. It is a strange coincidence.> > //Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in this discussion//> > Maybe true!! The book I am reading is titled "The cobra event" by Richard Preston. It says " ... The same thing happened in 1984, in Dallas, a town in Oregon. The Rajneeshee sect put Salmonella in salad bars in restaurants around town, and seven hunderd fifty people got sick. It was a test. They were planning a wide-scale biological attack on the town that was to happen later"> > > Regards,> bhagavathi>

May 1, 2009

Dear Sreenadhji,

// Read at least one book of Osho and create you first hand opinion

about him, instead of depending on second and third hand opinions. I

hope your opinion will change.//

Nothing can change a headstrong person like me. I am always what I am. To me he

is like karunanidhi. If OSHO wrote good books, what about karunanidhi, he is no

less.

//For me - Osho is one of the greatest and most sincere masters ever on earth //

God bless your love for your master

Is there a dearth of good men, good books in India? Should we not follow the

teachings of people who had no scandals. I do not follow any saints, however, I

sincerely admire kanchi paramcharya and Shirdi Saibaba. How many ashrams in

India test visitor's for HIV? In my spare time I would listen to the music of

Mukesh, Kishore and Rafi or the songs written by Kannadasan, which are more

philosophical, spiritual and yet practical

Regards,

bhagavathi

May 1, 2009

Dear Bhagavati ji, Read my response on some of your statements - //> Is there a dearth of good men, good books in India?// But Osho is none like them - I know and feel it, just like I could identify good books on astrology. Osho is NOT a good or bad man - but beyond; Osho is NOT an auther (he never wrote books) but beyond. You may know and feel it one day. I am not in search of a 'good' or 'bad' master - actually I am not in search of any masters at all! But I appreciate and feel one with those who resonates to my soul; Osho is the one best in tune with, and I cannot help adoring him, since many times what I wanted to say he already said in better and in more beautiful words! I 'know' (by looking within myself) that such words can come only from experience and sincerety. In short my appreciation for Osho depends on nothing else, except my own experience. //Should we not follow the teachings of people who had no scandals.// Ethics and spirituality are not one - but instead they originate from nearly opposite sides. Ethics always comes from outside (from books, law makers etc), but spirituality always comes from within. For a truly spiritual person, ethis is useles. It does not mean that he would be unethical or so - but his rules and not of this world, but comes from his own soul, and would be apt to the situation. Since there is only one soul, if interested others can make rules of ethics (which will shortly become obsolete), based on a truly spiritual life (Actually that is how the rules of ethics initially gets codified, and later become obsolete). I don't believe in ethics, but trust in spiritualty (even though I am forced to 'obay' the rules of the world) - rules should come from within and not outside. :)// I do not follow any saints, however, I sincerely admire kanchi paramcharya .......// But I do not - So it is all personal choices. :)//How many ashrams in India test visitor's for HIV?// I don't care - why should I?!//In my spare time I would listen to the music of Mukesh, Kishore and Rafi or the songs written by Kannadasan, which are more philosophical, spiritual and yet practical// You can. I may help my wife in kichen, write some articles, meditate a bit, sleep, or write some useless mails in group, go for a walk, read some books and so on. At the end we all have to do something in our spare time. :=) Actually we alwyas has to do something or the other - till the moment we die. If 'what we do' is happiness providing then we staring loving it. So keep doing all the stud you were doing and more in your spare time - yap Kanndasan is a good poet - dead but still living. His words are like Osho's and Gibran's words. (You can read and compare them - if you like). Love and regards,Sreenadh , "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > // Read at least one book of Osho and create you first hand opinion> about him, instead of depending on second and third hand opinions. I> hope your opinion will change.//> > Nothing can change a headstrong person like me. I am always what I am. To me he is like karunanidhi. If OSHO wrote good books, what about karunanidhi, he is no less. > > //For me - Osho is one of the greatest and most sincere masters ever on earth //> > God bless your love for your master> > Is there a dearth of good men, good books in India? Should we not follow the teachings of people who had no scandals. I do not follow any saints, however, I sincerely admire kanchi paramcharya and Shirdi Saibaba. How many ashrams in India test visitor's for HIV? In my spare time I would listen to the music of Mukesh, Kishore and Rafi or the songs written by Kannadasan, which are more philosophical, spiritual and yet practical> > > Regards,> bhagavathi>

May 2, 2009

Dear Bhagavathiji,

You may be right if you are referring to the some of the practices particularly to the assemblies in the birthday suits, one of which was described in some detail, including the photos, by the "Illustrated Weekly of India" about four decades ago. That was of course, distasteful to many. There are many pitfalls in the tantric practices and that is why, in the olden days,these practices were always held in small groups and in private. These are not meant to be in public knowledge. Unfortunately some of the Tantric practices to achieve full control of the senses as practised by Mahatma Gandhi too became public.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Fri, 5/1/09, bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ? Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 7:31 AM

Dear Sreenadhji,// Read at least one book of Osho and create you first hand opinionabout him, instead of depending on second and third hand opinions. Ihope your opinion will change.//Nothing can change a headstrong person like me. I am always what I am. To me he is like karunanidhi. If OSHO wrote good books, what about karunanidhi, he is no less. //For me - Osho is one of the greatest and most sincere masters ever on earth //God bless your love for your masterIs there a dearth of good men, good books in India? Should we not follow the teachings of people who had no scandals. I do not follow any saints, however, I sincerely admire kanchi paramcharya and Shirdi Saibaba. How many ashrams in India test visitor's for HIV? In my spare time I would listen to the music of Mukesh, Kishore and Rafi or the songs written by Kannadasan, which are more philosophical, spiritual and yet

practicalRegards,bhagavathi

May 2, 2009

Dear Sunil ji, Further - during his 3 years in US he was in Mauna vrata - i.e. he never spoke a word! Actually all the actions in US happened against a man who never spoke or intended to spoke a word there! Ofcourse when some one does not speak and take control in his own hands, it is easy for underserved people (here Ma Sheela) to take control and ruin the whole thing. Further, like jeckals, the US Govt. (due to Osho's earlier talks aginst Govt and Raigain) and the Christian Orthadoxy was in search of a chance to act against him - which they got due to the actions of Sheela. Osho fell victim victim to the planned actions of the unclean. Poor 'man of meditation'! His non-involvement provided the environment to make him the scape goat.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > You guessed it right. He was a very knowledgeable person. The organisation went out of his hand in the sense that he could not see and control everything that his organisation did. Moreover he was very sick towards the end of his life.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ?> > Thursday, April 30, 2009, 9:27 PM> > > > > > > > > > > dear bhagavathi ji > what i can understand and gather is osho has no involvement with that salmonella attack nor he is involved in any conspiracies .it was a western (CIA)conspiracy planted in osho ashram ,tru what they called sanyasi secret service ,still they r using same method of infiltrating into many big swamies ashrams and they r knowingly or unknowingly under their shadow and many things r get done tru it and they r utilising some blind faith happend to disciple's of those Gurus .> Osho was a threat to church ,as it has got its own expansiv progrmes where as most of his disciple's are frm church and west .> even otherwise i dont think osho cud hav escaped it without going tru all trails and punishmnts if he is any way involved and even it says they hav injected slow poison to him and after that episode osho was always sick .> > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "bhagavathi_ hariharan" <bhagavathi_harihara n wrote:> >> > Dear all,> > > > I saw this discussion on OSHO at the time I am supposed to be analyzing a book on bioterrorism. It is a strange coincidence.> > > > //Osho was a scoundrel of the first order. We need not include him in this discussion//> > > > Maybe true!! The book I am reading is titled "The cobra event" by Richard Preston. It says " ... The same thing happened in 1984, in Dallas, a town in Oregon. The Rajneeshee sect put Salmonella in salad bars in restaurants around town, and seven hunderd fifty people got sick. It was a test. They were planning a wide-scale biological attack on the town that was to happen later"> > > > > > Regards,> > bhagavathi> >>

May 2, 2009

I thought this group was devoted to ASTOLOGY and not to promote someones big

ideas on OSHO. Anyway I am writing my two pennies worth of thoughts on OSHO.

1. Osho many times quoted Socrates OR Sukrat. Sukrat on being Jailed for

speaking about truth was asked by his disciples to escape. On hearing this

suggestion Sukrat said that escaping from Jail wood be the greatest death

for him as he would be escaping from what ever he stood for.He happily drank

the poison UNLIKE OSHO who pleaded guilty to escape Jail from USA authority.

2.Some of you have written that Lord Krishna had his likes for Pitamber/

Flute etc. But the point to be noted is that he was in the drivers seat in

as much as that he was in total control of his likes and dislikes and he was

not swayed or mentally anguished if things did not go his way UNLIKE Osho

who would abuse the various Govts and would go into angary diatribe if

things didnt go his way. One instance is when all his things were

confiscated in USA he was so upset that he went wild with rage and all this

are on record. So please dont Compare him with Lord Krishna.

It would be right to say on OSHO that HATHI KE DAT DIKHANE KE ALAG AND KHANE

KE ALAG.

Regards to all.

MANOJ

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

> Further - during his 3 years in US he was in Mauna vrata - i.e. he never

> spoke a word! Actually all the actions in US happened against a man who

> never spoke or intended to spoke a word there! Ofcourse when some one does

> not speak and take control in his own hands, it is easy for underserved

> people (here Ma Sheela) to take control and ruin the whole thing. Further,

> like jeckals, the US Govt. (due to Osho's earlier talks aginst Govt and

> Raigain) and the Christian Orthadoxy was in search of a chance to act

> against him - which they got due to the actions of Sheela. Osho fell victim

> victim to the planned actions of the unclean. Poor 'man of meditation'!

> His non-involvement provided the environment to make him the scape goat.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

May 2, 2009

Dear Manoj,

This group is for astrology, but the regulars here are allowed to talk

anything on earth, as there is a family atmosphere here between these

members. Those who like to think otherwise may not participate. And

Rajneesh also approved astrology as one of the posts here has proved so

(by Sunil Nairji I suppose).

Only fools would compare Lord Krishna or Sant Tukaram or any such

personalities with Krishna on achievemnet sides.

Osho had the guts to create an empire and with the material affluence he

created from his own charishma it is quite understandable about his

responses, if this material affluence was subjected to any attack. What

would you say to the person who removes a pen from your shirt pocket and

keep it. Would you smile at him ? First reach his stage and levels,

before you point fingers at him.

And Rajneesh ke paas haathi ke daant toh the. How many have this ? Most

are meek mouses, forget becoming elephants or having elephants tusk.

Everybody has negatives, we must look and talk on positives if we have

to prosper in Life. This man brought the Indian genius on the surface of

the Globe during his times and craeted waves around the world. First we

have to become like him on par, before criticising .

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, manoj agarwal

<manoj108 wrote:

>

> I thought this group was devoted to ASTOLOGY and not to promote

someones big

> ideas on OSHO. Anyway I am writing my two pennies worth of thoughts on

OSHO.

> 1. Osho many times quoted Socrates OR Sukrat. Sukrat on being Jailed

for

> speaking about truth was asked by his disciples to escape. On hearing

this

> suggestion Sukrat said that escaping from Jail wood be the greatest

death

> for him as he would be escaping from what ever he stood for.He happily

drank

> the poison UNLIKE OSHO who pleaded guilty to escape Jail from USA

authority.

> 2.Some of you have written that Lord Krishna had his likes for

Pitamber/

> Flute etc. But the point to be noted is that he was in the drivers

seat in

> as much as that he was in total control of his likes and dislikes and

he was

> not swayed or mentally anguished if things did not go his way UNLIKE

Osho

> who would abuse the various Govts and would go into angary diatribe if

> things didnt go his way. One instance is when all his things were

> confiscated in USA he was so upset that he went wild with rage and all

this

> are on record. So please dont Compare him with Lord Krishna.

> It would be right to say on OSHO that HATHI KE DAT DIKHANE KE ALAG AND

KHANE

> KE ALAG.

> Regards to all.

> MANOJ

>

> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > Further - during his 3 years in US he was in Mauna vrata - i.e. he

never

> > spoke a word! Actually all the actions in US happened against a man

who

> > never spoke or intended to spoke a word there! Ofcourse when some

one does

> > not speak and take control in his own hands, it is easy for

underserved

> > people (here Ma Sheela) to take control and ruin the whole thing.

Further,

> > like jeckals, the US Govt. (due to Osho's earlier talks aginst Govt

and

> > Raigain) and the Christian Orthadoxy was in search of a chance to

act

> > against him - which they got due to the actions of Sheela. Osho fell

victim

> > victim to the planned actions of the unclean. Poor 'man of

meditation'!

> > His non-involvement provided the environment to make him the scape

goat.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

May 2, 2009

respected sirs,

I apologize for stepping in..but the discussion has been rather interesting..I

second you Nair sahib. & bhaskarji...in the matter of choices.. & we have to

choose only the good â€¦...

,respected bhagwatiji,

even if Osho MIGHT have been a scoundrel... even then WE HAVE a CHOICE to grasp

only whatever good and positive he preached...It helps the waylaid society a

lot...HE DEFINITELY had a THING in him or else WE could also draw lakhs of

people to follow us..but we CAN'T !!....... in this sense ..he WAS

extraordinary...don't you agree?

my point is, let's learn the good he taught & leave the rest..why even look at

junk///Junk is meant only to be thrown away....HOPE YOU DIDN'T MIND....But this

was just an opinion .

--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ?

Saturday, May 2, 2009, 4:41 AM

Dear Manoj,

This group is for astrology, but the regulars here are allowed to talk

anything on earth, as there is a family atmosphere here between these

members. Those who like to think otherwise may not participate. And

Rajneesh also approved astrology as one of the posts here has proved so

(by Sunil Nairji I suppose).

Only fools would compare Lord Krishna or Sant Tukaram or any such

personalities with Krishna on achievemnet sides.

Osho had the guts to create an empire and with the material affluence he

created from his own charishma it is quite understandable about his

responses, if this material affluence was subjected to any attack. What

would you say to the person who removes a pen from your shirt pocket and

keep it. Would you smile at him ? First reach his stage and levels,

before you point fingers at him.

And Rajneesh ke paas haathi ke daant toh the. How many have this ? Most

are meek mouses, forget becoming elephants or having elephants tusk.

Everybody has negatives, we must look and talk on positives if we have

to prosper in Life. This man brought the Indian genius on the surface of

the Globe during his times and craeted waves around the world. First we

have to become like him on par, before criticising .

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, manoj agarwal

<manoj108@.. .> wrote:

>

> I thought this group was devoted to ASTOLOGY and not to promote

someones big

> ideas on OSHO. Anyway I am writing my two pennies worth of thoughts on

OSHO.

> 1. Osho many times quoted Socrates OR Sukrat. Sukrat on being Jailed

for

> speaking about truth was asked by his disciples to escape. On hearing

this

> suggestion Sukrat said that escaping from Jail wood be the greatest

death

> for him as he would be escaping from what ever he stood for.He happily

drank

> the poison UNLIKE OSHO who pleaded guilty to escape Jail from USA

authority.

> 2.Some of you have written that Lord Krishna had his likes for

Pitamber/

> Flute etc. But the point to be noted is that he was in the drivers

seat in

> as much as that he was in total control of his likes and dislikes and

he was

> not swayed or mentally anguished if things did not go his way UNLIKE

Osho

> who would abuse the various Govts and would go into angary diatribe if

> things didnt go his way. One instance is when all his things were

> confiscated in USA he was so upset that he went wild with rage and all

this

> are on record. So please dont Compare him with Lord Krishna.

> It would be right to say on OSHO that HATHI KE DAT DIKHANE KE ALAG AND

KHANE

> KE ALAG.

> Regards to all.

> MANOJ

>

> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > Further - during his 3 years in US he was in Mauna vrata - i.e. he

never

> > spoke a word! Actually all the actions in US happened against a man

who

> > never spoke or intended to spoke a word there! Ofcourse when some

one does

> > not speak and take control in his own hands, it is easy for

underserved

> > people (here Ma Sheela) to take control and ruin the whole thing.

Further,

> > like jeckals, the US Govt. (due to Osho's earlier talks aginst Govt

and

> > Raigain) and the Christian Orthadoxy was in search of a chance to

act

> > against him - which they got due to the actions of Sheela. Osho fell

victim

> > victim to the planned actions of the unclean. Poor 'man of

meditation'!

> > His non-involvement provided the environment to make him the scape

goat.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

May 2, 2009

Dear All,

If OSHO were here, he would’ve loved this and said “this is what I

wished you all were, CHILDLIKE” And he’d have said… " you ALL ARE RIGHT.

Its good you all are playing on the vast virtual space in surreal time,

but please take whatever you make of it in real time. " As Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji, Sreenadh ji, et al are right, so is Bhagavati ji…Truth

has many handles… depends where you catch it from, and what you want to

pour out. And no truth is 100 per cent, even though it may appear to be

in transition. What Bhagavati ji has caught is one handle and turning

it round we see so much tumbling down….OSHO said ‘BE AMORAL’ and WATCH! He also said, Don't bite my finger, look where I'm pointing.Thank you all for wonderful discourses on one of my favorites OSHO. I was a little busy, so could not participate myself.

Sometimes listening eyes are better than tapping fingers.

Regards

Neelam

May 2, 2009

Dear Manoj ji, //I thought this group was devoted to ASTOLOGY // Just tell us - Why your 'thought' or assumption about the group should be important? What is your constructive contribution towards astrolgy or any other subject discussed in this group? If there is nothing much, what is worth in your opinions? By the way even though you were near to absent in the astrological discussions happening in the group, why you felt like involving now? When even the astrological discussions were a 'free meal' to you, should you feel offened when we discuss something else aswell? The saying - "Know yourself before start critisising" - may have a leasson to teach for all of us. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , manoj agarwal <manoj108 wrote:>> I thought this group was devoted to ASTOLOGY and not to promote someones big> ideas on OSHO. Anyway I am writing my two pennies worth of thoughts on OSHO.> 1. Osho many times quoted Socrates OR Sukrat. Sukrat on being Jailed for> speaking about truth was asked by his disciples to escape. On hearing this> suggestion Sukrat said that escaping from Jail wood be the greatest death> for him as he would be escaping from what ever he stood for.He happily drank> the poison UNLIKE OSHO who pleaded guilty to escape Jail from USA authority.> 2.Some of you have written that Lord Krishna had his likes for Pitamber/> Flute etc. But the point to be noted is that he was in the drivers seat in> as much as that he was in total control of his likes and dislikes and he was> not swayed or mentally anguished if things did not go his way UNLIKE Osho> who would abuse the various Govts and would go into angary diatribe if> things didnt go his way. One instance is when all his things were> confiscated in USA he was so upset that he went wild with rage and all this> are on record. So please dont Compare him with Lord Krishna.> It would be right to say on OSHO that HATHI KE DAT DIKHANE KE ALAG AND KHANE> KE ALAG.> Regards to all.> MANOJ

May 2, 2009

Dear Kiran ji, Well said! I agree. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , kiran dasaur <kirandasaur wrote:>> > respected sirs,> > I apologize for stepping in..but the discussion has been rather interesting..I second you Nair sahib. & bhaskarji...in the matter of choices.. & we have to choose only the good â€¦...> > ,respected bhagwatiji,> > > even if Osho MIGHT have been a scoundrel... even then WE HAVE a CHOICE to grasp only whatever good and positive he preached...It helps the waylaid society a lot...HE DEFINITELY had a THING in him or else WE could also draw lakhs of people to follow us..but we CAN'T !!....... in this sense ..he WAS extraordinary...don't you agree?> my point is, let's learn the good he taught & leave the rest..why even look at junk///Junk is meant only to be thrown away....HOPE YOU DIDN'T MIND....But this was just an opinion .>

May 2, 2009

Dear Neelam ji, Thanks. I escpecially loved the following lines - //Its good you all are playing on the vast virtual space in surreal time, but please> take whatever you make of it in real time."////> OSHO said `BE AMORAL' and WATCH! He also said, Don't bite my finger, look> where I'm pointing.// True! :)Love and hugs, Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > If OSHO were here, he would've loved this and said "this is what I wished> you all were, CHILDLIKE" And he'd have said… "you ALL ARE RIGHT. Its good> you all are playing on the vast virtual space in surreal time, but please> take whatever you make of it in real time."> > As Sunil ji, Bhaskar ji, Sreenadh ji, et al are right, so is Bhagavati ji…> Truth has many handles… depends where you catch it from, and what you want> to pour out. And no truth is 100 per cent, even though it may appear to be> in transition. What Bhagavati ji has caught is one handle and turning it> round we see so much tumbling down….> > OSHO said `BE AMORAL' and WATCH! He also said, Don't bite my finger, look> where I'm pointing.> > Thank you all for wonderful discourses on one of my favorites OSHO. I was a> little busy, so could not participate myself.> Sometimes listening eyes are better than tapping fingers.> > Regards> Neelam>

May 2, 2009

Dear Bhaskarji,

However knowledgeable Rajneesh might have been my feeling is that it is not proper to compare Rajneesh with Lord Krishna or Lord Buddha. Certain practices such as recommending coloured robes and then abandoning that and adopting white robes also the practice of his disciples wearing pendants of Rajneesh did not gain applause from the majority. Rajneesh is like a cult-figure whereas Lord Krishna is a universal figure.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ? Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 1:41 AM

Dear Manoj,This group is for astrology, but the regulars here are allowed to talkanything on earth, as there is a family atmosphere here between thesemembers. Those who like to think otherwise may not participate. AndRajneesh also approved astrology as one of the posts here has proved so(by Sunil Nairji I suppose).Only fools would compare Lord Krishna or Sant Tukaram or any suchpersonalities with Krishna on achievemnet sides.Osho had the guts to create an empire and with the material affluence hecreated from his own charishma it is quite understandable about hisresponses, if this material affluence was subjected to any attack. Whatwould you say to the person who removes a pen from your shirt pocket andkeep it. Would you smile at him ? First reach his stage and levels,before you point fingers at him.And Rajneesh ke paas haathi ke daant toh the. How many have this ?

Mostare meek mouses, forget becoming elephants or having elephants tusk.Everybody has negatives, we must look and talk on positives if we haveto prosper in Life. This man brought the Indian genius on the surface ofthe Globe during his times and craeted waves around the world. First wehave to become like him on par, before criticising .best wishes,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, manoj agarwal<manoj108@.. .> wrote:>> I thought this group was devoted to ASTOLOGY and not to promotesomeones big> ideas on OSHO. Anyway I am writing my two pennies worth of thoughts onOSHO.> 1. Osho many times quoted Socrates OR Sukrat. Sukrat on being Jailedfor>

speaking about truth was asked by his disciples to escape. On hearingthis> suggestion Sukrat said that escaping from Jail wood be the greatestdeath> for him as he would be escaping from what ever he stood for.He happilydrank> the poison UNLIKE OSHO who pleaded guilty to escape Jail from USAauthority.> 2.Some of you have written that Lord Krishna had his likes forPitamber/> Flute etc. But the point to be noted is that he was in the driversseat in> as much as that he was in total control of his likes and dislikes andhe was> not swayed or mentally anguished if things did not go his way UNLIKEOsho> who would abuse the various Govts and would go into angary diatribe if> things didnt go his way. One instance is when all his things were> confiscated in USA he was so upset that he went wild with rage and allthis> are on record. So please dont Compare

him with Lord Krishna.> It would be right to say on OSHO that HATHI KE DAT DIKHANE KE ALAG ANDKHANE> KE ALAG.> Regards to all.> MANOJ>> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:>> >> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Further - during his 3 years in US he was in Mauna vrata - i.e. henever> > spoke a word! Actually all the actions in US happened against a manwho> > never spoke or intended to spoke a word there! Ofcourse when someone does> > not speak and take control in his own hands, it is easy forunderserved> > people (here Ma Sheela) to take control and ruin the whole thing.Further,> > like jeckals, the US Govt. (due to Osho's earlier talks aginst Govtand> > Raigain) and the Christian Orthadoxy was in search of a chance toact> > against him - which they got

due to the actions of Sheela. Osho fellvictim> > victim to the planned actions of the unclean. Poor 'man ofmeditation'!> > His non-involvement provided the environment to make him the scapegoat.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >>

May 3, 2009

Dear Sunil ji,

Yes that is what I have been saying too. Why must we compare him with

anybody at all ?

regards/Bhaskar.

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> However knowledgeable Rajneesh might have been my feeling is that it

is not proper to compare Rajneesh with Lord Krishna or Lord Buddha.

Certain practices such as recommending coloured robes and then

abandoning that and adopting white robes also the practice of his

disciples wearing pendants of Rajneesh did not gain applause from the

majority. Rajneesh is like a cult-figure whereas Lord Krishna is a

universal figure.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an

avatar ?

>

> Saturday, May 2, 2009, 1:41 AM

>

Dear Manoj,

>

> This group is for astrology, but the regulars here are allowed to talk

> anything on earth, as there is a family atmosphere here between these

> members. Those who like to think otherwise may not participate. And

> Rajneesh also approved astrology as one of the posts here has proved

so

> (by Sunil Nairji I suppose).

>

> Only fools would compare Lord Krishna or Sant Tukaram or any such

> personalities with Krishna on achievemnet sides.

>

> Osho had the guts to create an empire and with the material affluence

he

> created from his own charishma it is quite understandable about his

> responses, if this material affluence was subjected to any attack.

What

> would you say to the person who removes a pen from your shirt pocket

and

> keep it. Would you smile at him ? First reach his stage and levels,

> before you point fingers at him.

>

> And Rajneesh ke paas haathi ke daant toh the. How many have this ?

Most

> are meek mouses, forget becoming elephants or having elephants tusk.

>

> Everybody has negatives, we must look and talk on positives if we have

> to prosper in Life. This man brought the Indian genius on the surface

of

> the Globe during his times and craeted waves around the world. First

we

> have to become like him on par, before criticising .

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, manoj agarwal

> manoj108@ .> wrote:

> >

> > I thought this group was devoted to ASTOLOGY and not to promote

> someones big

> > ideas on OSHO. Anyway I am writing my two pennies worth of thoughts

on

> OSHO.

> > 1. Osho many times quoted Socrates OR Sukrat. Sukrat on being Jailed

> for

> > speaking about truth was asked by his disciples to escape. On

hearing

> this

> > suggestion Sukrat said that escaping from Jail wood be the greatest

> death

> > for him as he would be escaping from what ever he stood for.He

happily

> drank

> > the poison UNLIKE OSHO who pleaded guilty to escape Jail from USA

> authority.

> > 2.Some of you have written that Lord Krishna had his likes for

> Pitamber/

> > Flute etc. But the point to be noted is that he was in the drivers

> seat in

> > as much as that he was in total control of his likes and dislikes

and

> he was

> > not swayed or mentally anguished if things did not go his way UNLIKE

> Osho

> > who would abuse the various Govts and would go into angary diatribe

if

> > things didnt go his way. One instance is when all his things were

> > confiscated in USA he was so upset that he went wild with rage and

all

> this

> > are on record. So please dont Compare him with Lord Krishna.

> > It would be right to say on OSHO that HATHI KE DAT DIKHANE KE ALAG

AND

> KHANE

> > KE ALAG.

> > Regards to all.

> > MANOJ

> >

> > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > Further - during his 3 years in US he was in Mauna vrata - i.e. he

> never

> > > spoke a word! Actually all the actions in US happened against a

man

> who

> > > never spoke or intended to spoke a word there! Ofcourse when some

> one does

> > > not speak and take control in his own hands, it is easy for

> underserved

> > > people (here Ma Sheela) to take control and ruin the whole thing.

> Further,

> > > like jeckals, the US Govt. (due to Osho's earlier talks aginst

Govt

> and

> > > Raigain) and the Christian Orthadoxy was in search of a chance to

> act

> > > against him - which they got due to the actions of Sheela. Osho

fell

> victim

> > > victim to the planned actions of the unclean. Poor 'man of

> meditation'!

> > > His non-involvement provided the environment to make him the scape

> goat.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

May 3, 2009

Dear Chandu ji, Thanks for sharing the thoughts of ancient karnatic sages. The quote you provided was beautiful!//

It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)

*Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu

Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda Sarvadnya*If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a Money to meet the

expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You Lit Fire to the

Heaven*/// Yes, he was so right, and so was Osho because they speak exactly the same, about the same truth! I agree with that ancient karnartic sage and started loving him, this moment onwards. But you missed it (at least in Osho's case), but no harm since you got a good good respect for him. A good seed will act sooner or later. Please share with us mor of his teachings - I would love to hear more of his sayings. Is there any english books on the teaching of SARVADNYA available? Or can you try trasilating some of his teachings and upload it in the files section of the group for the benefit of all? Love and regards,Sreenadh

, "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Dear Mrs. Bhagavathi Ji and respected List!!> > I was following this thread, please note i am not making any judgement about OSHO and his followers/believers here because i see some turth in every argument coming from learned people out there... be it from yourself, Sri Sunil Nair Ji, Sri Bharskar ji, Sreenadh Ji and all valuable contributors..> > Allow me to share my thoughts and my views on this... i don't know much about OSHO just heard/read long time back (since my childhood days) same old +ve and -Ve aspects of and about him which is again discussed here... > > I hail from North Karntaka where many elivated souls, Saadhu Mahapurashas were lived and thrived once. They are called LIVING LEGENDS and thier Philosophy of LIFE is very Simple and POWERFUL you no need to do any meditaton just have to understand the inner meaning of their teaching and follow that life path.> > let me quote one of the *Vachana* (It is called Vahana Saahitya of Sarvadnya) of great philosopher who lived i guess in 16/17th Century he is called *SARVADNYA* his teachings are in Dwipadi/Tripaid (Two and Three line quotes) in poetic form (Any Member(s) here from HUBLI-DHARWAD or North part of Karnataka may correct me and share more info on this please)> > He said and i quote> > It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)> > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu> Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda Sarvadnya*> > If i loosely translate in English (my English is not that good), he says clearly and you see HOW TRUE it is..> > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a Money to meet the expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You Lit Fire to the Heaven* > > Then no one needs this OSHO type of people is my personal view... > > I completely agree ALL your Responses to Sri Bhaskar Ji at the same time what Bhaskaji has mentioned is ALSO the present dayp Practical happenings in India.. > > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > > > bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan@> Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna really an avatar?> > Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 4:02 AM> > Dear Bhaskarji,> > //You said he had HIV, but I dont think HIV was rampant that time or so common as of today.//> > I do not say that he had HIV, a possibility. He died in 1990. The first reported case of HIV in India was in 1986. I started working in clinical microbiology in 1994. That time, we worked only on TB and HIV. I was part of an active research on HIV in India. I myself reported three full blown cases in 1994. In the US, it was widespread in the 80's itself. The organism was identified and major research was completed in 1986 itself. There was a major controversy between a french and a US group in identification of this virus. Ultimately, the recognition went to the French group. > > // In India most of the households are suffering from lack of proper sex. Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of reasons. The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties but deprived of the pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame neither the men nor the women. But living such a Life where one cant express himself to his partner what he wants, and every private affair and rendezvou becomes just a formality, is just a eyewash.//> > The meaning of marriage in India is much much beyond "sex". It needs deeper understanding. How did our grandparents have 14 children, without sex? Sex is meant for procreation (even the ancient Indian Kings had many wives, for the sake of family), that is the law, when it is exchanged for pleasure, the society changes to something else... this is well known. So the choice is always open, you marry for a family or you marry just for pleasure- no family> > //Most marriages in our circles are all broken long back but allowed legally to remain just for social reputation and family status. The husbands and wives live like complete strangers in their bedrooms and meet probably once a month on the physical level for formality, just because it has to be finished with. Out of ridicule, fear and ostracisation no body has the guts to speak out about what they miss in their lives and what they want.//> > This maybe the condition with the modern Indian Society, which is falling. True, we had the era of Savitri, we will see draupadis, rishyasringas, kunti-putras etc> > > // Though I am like Dev anand and would never consider myself old.> He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many Indians can> pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was not> handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.//> > Pulling foreign ladies by Indian men is the easiest thing to do. White women are easily susceptible to spiritualism. They like to experiment everything. (Teenagers get pregnant to have a feel of it) Since you are like Dev Anand, you can be even powerful than OSHO. If you don the role of a spiritual Baba and wait at the Los Angeles airport for 4 hours, you can see 400 women line up after you. Wish you good luck!!!! But after experimentation, they will go away. Be careful.> > > bhagavathi>

May 3, 2009

Dear Sreenadh ji and Lovely Chandu 2 Chill ji,

I too say the same thing but out of experience and in English and Hindi.

Who is a Emperor in this world ?

Undoubetdly the one who whether he earns Rs. 50 or Rs.5000- per day, does not matter, but whenever he comes home, is greeted by a sweet smile and a sweet talking women at the door. Sweetness if not there, koi gam nahin, par sarcasm, ironic or taints hon, toh phir 2 gaj jameen ke liye bhi aadmi taras jayega. At least the negatives must not be there , if not the sweetness, that also is enough to make a man feel like a King if not an Emperor.

A women who can make a man realise that he is her "man", is enough to suffice his existence.

na maangu heera moti

na maangu bangla gaadi

yeh mere kis kaam ke

deti hai dil ke badle mein dil ke

........"Pyaar mein sauda nahin".

A feeling of being "wanted" is all what a human being requires in this big big world.

Love and hugs,

Bhaskar.

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Chandu ji,> Thanks for sharing the thoughts of ancient karnatic sages. The quote> you provided was beautiful!> // It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)> > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu> Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda Sarvadnya*> > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a Money to> meet the> expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You Lit Fire to> the> Heaven*///> Yes, he was so right, and so was Osho because they speak exactly the> same, about the same truth! I agree with that ancient karnartic sage> and started loving him, this moment onwards. But you missed it (at> least in Osho's case), but no harm since you got a good good respect for> him. A good seed will act sooner or later. > Please share with us mor of his teachings - I would love to hear more> of his sayings. Is there any english books on the teaching of SARVADNYA> available? Or can you try trasilating some of his teachings and upload> it in the files section of the group for the benefit of all?> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Chandu2chill"> nanna_id2006@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mrs. Bhagavathi Ji and respected List!!> >> > I was following this thread, please note i am not making any judgement> about OSHO and his followers/believers here because i see some turth in> every argument coming from learned people out there... be it from> yourself, Sri Sunil Nair Ji, Sri Bharskar ji, Sreenadh Ji and all> valuable contributors..> >> > Allow me to share my thoughts and my views on this... i don't know> much about OSHO just heard/read long time back (since my childhood days)> same old +ve and -Ve aspects of and about him which is again discussed> here...> >> > I hail from North Karntaka where many elivated souls, Saadhu> Mahapurashas were lived and thrived once. They are called LIVING LEGENDS> and thier Philosophy of LIFE is very Simple and POWERFUL you no need to> do any meditaton just have to understand the inner meaning of their> teaching and follow that life path.> >> > let me quote one of the *Vachana* (It is called Vahana Saahitya of> Sarvadnya) of great philosopher who lived i guess in 16/17th Century he> is called *SARVADNYA* his teachings are in Dwipadi/Tripaid (Two and> Three line quotes) in poetic form (Any Member(s) here from HUBLI-DHARWAD> or North part of Karnataka may correct me and share more info on this> please)> >> > He said and i quote> >> > It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)> >> > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu> > Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda Sarvadnya*> >> > If i loosely translate in English (my English is not that good), he> says clearly and you see HOW TRUE it is..> >> > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a Money> to meet the expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You> Lit Fire to the Heaven*> >> > Then no one needs this OSHO type of people is my personal view...> >> > I completely agree ALL your Responses to Sri Bhaskar Ji at the same> time what Bhaskaji has mentioned is ALSO the present dayp Practical> happenings in India..> >> > Regards> >> > Chandu2Chill> >> >> >> > bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan@> > Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna really an> avatar?> > > > Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 4:02 AM> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> >> > //You said he had HIV, but I dont think HIV was rampant that time or> so common as of today.//> >> > I do not say that he had HIV, a possibility. He died in 1990. The> first reported case of HIV in India was in 1986. I started working in> clinical microbiology in 1994. That time, we worked only on TB and HIV.> I was part of an active research on HIV in India. I myself reported> three full blown cases in 1994. In the US, it was widespread in the 80's> itself. The organism was identified and major research was completed in> 1986 itself. There was a major controversy between a french and a US> group in identification of this virus. Ultimately, the recognition went> to the French group.> >> > // In India most of the households are suffering from lack of proper> sex. Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of> reasons. The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties but deprived> of the pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame neither the> men nor the women. But living such a Life where one cant express himself> to his partner what he wants, and every private affair and rendezvou> becomes just a formality, is just a eyewash.//> >> > The meaning of marriage in India is much much beyond "sex". It needs> deeper understanding. How did our grandparents have 14 children, without> sex? Sex is meant for procreation (even the ancient Indian Kings had> many wives, for the sake of family), that is the law, when it is> exchanged for pleasure, the society changes to something else... this is> well known. So the choice is always open, you marry for a family or you> marry just for pleasure- no family> >> > //Most marriages in our circles are all broken long back but allowed> legally to remain just for social reputation and family status. The> husbands and wives live like complete strangers in their bedrooms and> meet probably once a month on the physical level for formality, just> because it has to be finished with. Out of ridicule, fear and> ostracisation no body has the guts to speak out about what they miss in> their lives and what they want.//> >> > This maybe the condition with the modern Indian Society, which is> falling. True, we had the era of Savitri, we will see draupadis,> rishyasringas, kunti-putras etc> >> >> > // Though I am like Dev anand and would never consider myself old.> > He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many Indians can> > pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was not> > handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.//> >> > Pulling foreign ladies by Indian men is the easiest thing to do. White> women are easily susceptible to spiritualism. They like to experiment> everything. (Teenagers get pregnant to have a feel of it) Since you are> like Dev Anand, you can be even powerful than OSHO. If you don the role> of a spiritual Baba and wait at the Los Angeles airport for 4 hours, you> can see 400 women line up after you. Wish you good luck!!!! But after> experimentation, they will go away. Be careful.> >> >> > bhagavathi> >>

May 3, 2009

sorry bhaskarji

.....correction... " .NEEDED " ...not WANTED !!!!

there goes a quote.................I would never need to be wanted,but I would

surely want to be needed

& I think whosoever said it said this very APYLY..agree??

--- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ?

Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:49 AM

Dear Sreenadh ji and Lovely Chandu 2 Chill ji,

I too say the same thing but out of experience and in English and Hindi.

Who is a Emperor in this world ?

Undoubetdly the one who whether he earns Rs. 50 or Rs.5000- per day, does not

matter, but whenever he comes home, is greeted by a sweet smile and a sweet

talking women at the door. Sweetness if not there, koi gam nahin, par sarcasm,

ironic or taints hon, toh phir 2 gaj jameen ke liye bhi aadmi taras jayega. At

least the negatives must not be there , if not the sweetness, that also is

enough to make a man feel like a King if not an Emperor.

A women who can make a man realise that he is her " man " , is enough to suffice

his existence.

na maangu heera moti

na maangu bangla gaadi

yeh mere kis kaam ke

deti hai dil ke badle mein dil ke

........ " Pyaar mein sauda nahin " .

A feeling of being " wanted " is all what a human being requires in this big big

world.

Love and hugs,

Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandu ji,

> Thanks for sharing the thoughts of ancient karnatic sages. The quote

> you provided was beautiful!

> // It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)

>

> *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu

> Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda Sarvadnya*

>

> If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a Money to

> meet the

> expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You Lit Fire to

> the

> Heaven*///

> Yes, he was so right, and so was Osho because they speak exactly the

> same, about the same truth! I agree with that ancient karnartic sage

> and started loving him, this moment onwards. But you missed it (at

> least in Osho's case), but no harm since you got a good good respect for

> him. A good seed will act sooner or later.

> Please share with us mor of his teachings - I would love to hear more

> of his sayings. Is there any english books on the teaching of SARVADNYA

> available? Or can you try trasilating some of his teachings and upload

> it in the files section of the group for the benefit of all?

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Chandu2chill "

> nanna_id2006@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mrs. Bhagavathi Ji and respected List!!

> >

> > I was following this thread, please note i am not making any judgement

> about OSHO and his followers/believers here because i see some turth in

> every argument coming from learned people out there... be it from

> yourself, Sri Sunil Nair Ji, Sri Bharskar ji, Sreenadh Ji and all

> valuable contributors. .

> >

> > Allow me to share my thoughts and my views on this... i don't know

> much about OSHO just heard/read long time back (since my childhood days)

> same old +ve and -Ve aspects of and about him which is again discussed

> here...

> >

> > I hail from North Karntaka where many elivated souls, Saadhu

> Mahapurashas were lived and thrived once. They are called LIVING LEGENDS

> and thier Philosophy of LIFE is very Simple and POWERFUL you no need to

> do any meditaton just have to understand the inner meaning of their

> teaching and follow that life path.

> >

> > let me quote one of the *Vachana* (It is called Vahana Saahitya of

> Sarvadnya) of great philosopher who lived i guess in 16/17th Century he

> is called *SARVADNYA* his teachings are in Dwipadi/Tripaid (Two and

> Three line quotes) in poetic form (Any Member(s) here from HUBLI-DHARWAD

> or North part of Karnataka may correct me and share more info on this

> please)

> >

> > He said and i quote

> >

> > It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)

> >

> > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu

> > Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda Sarvadnya*

> >

> > If i loosely translate in English (my English is not that good), he

> says clearly and you see HOW TRUE it is..

> >

> > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a Money

> to meet the expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You

> Lit Fire to the Heaven*

> >

> > Then no one needs this OSHO type of people is my personal view...

> >

> > I completely agree ALL your Responses to Sri Bhaskar Ji at the same

> time what Bhaskaji has mentioned is ALSO the present dayp Practical

> happenings in India..

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > bhagavathi_harihara n bhagavathi_harihara n@

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna really an

> avatar?

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 4:02 AM

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > //You said he had HIV, but I dont think HIV was rampant that time or

> so common as of today.//

> >

> > I do not say that he had HIV, a possibility. He died in 1990. The

> first reported case of HIV in India was in 1986. I started working in

> clinical microbiology in 1994. That time, we worked only on TB and HIV.

> I was part of an active research on HIV in India. I myself reported

> three full blown cases in 1994. In the US, it was widespread in the 80's

> itself. The organism was identified and major research was completed in

> 1986 itself. There was a major controversy between a french and a US

> group in identification of this virus. Ultimately, the recognition went

> to the French group.

> >

> > // In India most of the households are suffering from lack of proper

> sex. Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of

> reasons. The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties but deprived

> of the pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame neither the

> men nor the women. But living such a Life where one cant express himself

> to his partner what he wants, and every private affair and rendezvou

> becomes just a formality, is just a eyewash.//

> >

> > The meaning of marriage in India is much much beyond " sex " . It needs

> deeper understanding. How did our grandparents have 14 children, without

> sex? Sex is meant for procreation (even the ancient Indian Kings had

> many wives, for the sake of family), that is the law, when it is

> exchanged for pleasure, the society changes to something else... this is

> well known. So the choice is always open, you marry for a family or you

> marry just for pleasure- no family

> >

> > //Most marriages in our circles are all broken long back but allowed

> legally to remain just for social reputation and family status. The

> husbands and wives live like complete strangers in their bedrooms and

> meet probably once a month on the physical level for formality, just

> because it has to be finished with. Out of ridicule, fear and

> ostracisation no body has the guts to speak out about what they miss in

> their lives and what they want.//

> >

> > This maybe the condition with the modern Indian Society, which is

> falling. True, we had the era of Savitri, we will see draupadis,

> rishyasringas, kunti-putras etc

> >

> > // Though I am like Dev anand and would never consider myself old.

> > He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many Indians can

> > pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was not

> > handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.//

> >

> > Pulling foreign ladies by Indian men is the easiest thing to do. White

> women are easily susceptible to spiritualism. They like to experiment

> everything. (Teenagers get pregnant to have a feel of it) Since you are

> like Dev Anand, you can be even powerful than OSHO. If you don the role

> of a spiritual Baba and wait at the Los Angeles airport for 4 hours, you

> can see 400 women line up after you. Wish you good luck!!!! But after

> experimentation, they will go away. Be careful.

> >

> > bhagavathi

> >

>

May 3, 2009

Sorry dear Kiran, theres a lot of difference between me and you here.

Those whom I desire to " want " me, I would never wish that they have to

" need " me.

Anyone whom I wish to " want " me, I would like them always to be self

sufficient enough to want me , for what I am, rather than be in a

problem and " need " me.

I wish them always to be strong enough to face any thing in the world,

and never need me, but always want me for my goodness, love or whatever.

I would never wish them to be helpless enough to " need " me.

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, kiran dasaur

<kirandasaur wrote:

>

> sorry bhaskarji

>

> ....correction... " .NEEDED " ...not WANTED !!!!

> there goes a quote.................I would never need to be wanted,but

I would surely want to be needed

> & I think whosoever said it said this very APYLY..agree??

>

> --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an

avatar ?

>

> Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:49 AM

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji and Lovely Chandu 2 Chill ji,

> I too say the same thing but out of experience and in English and

Hindi.

> Who is a Emperor in this world ?

> Undoubetdly the one who whether he earns Rs. 50 or Rs.5000- per day,

does not matter, but whenever he comes home, is greeted by a sweet smile

and a sweet talking women at the door. Sweetness if not there, koi gam

nahin, par sarcasm, ironic or taints hon, toh phir 2 gaj jameen ke liye

bhi aadmi taras jayega. At least the negatives must not be there , if

not the sweetness, that also is enough to make a man feel like a King if

not an Emperor.

> A women who can make a man realise that he is her " man " , is enough to

suffice his existence.

> na maangu heera moti

> na maangu bangla gaadi

> yeh mere kis kaam ke

> deti hai dil ke badle mein dil ke

> ....... " Pyaar mein sauda nahin " .

> A feeling of being " wanted " is all what a human being requires in this

big big world.

> Love and hugs,

> Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> > Thanks for sharing the thoughts of ancient karnatic sages. The quote

> > you provided was beautiful!

> > // It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)

> >

> > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu

> > Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda Sarvadnya*

> >

> > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a Money

to

> > meet the

> > expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN *You Lit

Fire to

> > the

> > Heaven*///

> > Yes, he was so right, and so was Osho because they speak exactly the

> > same, about the same truth! I agree with that ancient karnartic sage

> > and started loving him, this moment onwards. But you missed it

(at

> > least in Osho's case), but no harm since you got a good good respect

for

> > him. A good seed will act sooner or later.

> > Please share with us mor of his teachings - I would love to hear

more

> > of his sayings. Is there any english books on the teaching of

SARVADNYA

> > available? Or can you try trasilating some of his teachings and

upload

> > it in the files section of the group for the benefit of all?

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Chandu2chill "

> > nanna_id2006@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mrs. Bhagavathi Ji and respected List!!

> > >

> > > I was following this thread, please note i am not making any

judgement

> > about OSHO and his followers/believers here because i see some turth

in

> > every argument coming from learned people out there... be it from

> > yourself, Sri Sunil Nair Ji, Sri Bharskar ji, Sreenadh Ji and all

> > valuable contributors. .

> > >

> > > Allow me to share my thoughts and my views on this... i don't know

> > much about OSHO just heard/read long time back (since my childhood

days)

> > same old +ve and -Ve aspects of and about him which is again

discussed

> > here...

> > >

> > > I hail from North Karntaka where many elivated souls, Saadhu

> > Mahapurashas were lived and thrived once. They are called LIVING

LEGENDS

> > and thier Philosophy of LIFE is very Simple and POWERFUL you no need

to

> > do any meditaton just have to understand the inner meaning of their

> > teaching and follow that life path.

> > >

> > > let me quote one of the *Vachana* (It is called Vahana Saahitya of

> > Sarvadnya) of great philosopher who lived i guess in 16/17th Century

he

> > is called *SARVADNYA* his teachings are in Dwipadi/Tripaid (Two and

> > Three line quotes) in poetic form (Any Member(s) here from

HUBLI-DHARWAD

> > or North part of Karnataka may correct me and share more info on

this

> > please)

> > >

> > > He said and i quote

> > >

> > > It is in Kannada (old Kannada language)

> > >

> > > *Becchana Mane iddu, vecchakke Honniddu

> > > Manasicchina Madadi iralu, Swargakke Kichhu Hacchu anda Sarvadnya*

> > >

> > > If i loosely translate in English (my English is not that good),

he

> > says clearly and you see HOW TRUE it is..

> > >

> > > If you have a Warm/warmth of Home (No matter HUT or MANSION),a

Money

> > to meet the expenses, AND a desired/like minded Wife with you, THEN

*You

> > Lit Fire to the Heaven*

> > >

> > > Then no one needs this OSHO type of people is my personal view...

> > >

> > > I completely agree ALL your Responses to Sri Bhaskar Ji at the

same

> > time what Bhaskaji has mentioned is ALSO the present dayp Practical

> > happenings in India..

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Chandu2Chill

> > >

> > > bhagavathi_harihara n bhagavathi_harihara n@

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fwd: [hc] Re: Is Krishna

really an

> > avatar?

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 4:02 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > >

> > > //You said he had HIV, but I dont think HIV was rampant that time

or

> > so common as of today.//

> > >

> > > I do not say that he had HIV, a possibility. He died in 1990. The

> > first reported case of HIV in India was in 1986. I started working

in

> > clinical microbiology in 1994. That time, we worked only on TB and

HIV.

> > I was part of an active research on HIV in India. I myself reported

> > three full blown cases in 1994. In the US, it was widespread in the

80's

> > itself. The organism was identified and major research was completed

in

> > 1986 itself. There was a major controversy between a french and a US

> > group in identification of this virus. Ultimately, the recognition

went

> > to the French group.

> > >

> > > // In India most of the households are suffering from lack of

proper

> > sex. Women dont like to give it to their husbands for n number of

> > reasons. The men folk are into pooja and day to day duties but

deprived

> > of the pleasures which are rightfully theirs. I dont blame neither

the

> > men nor the women. But living such a Life where one cant express

himself

> > to his partner what he wants, and every private affair and rendezvou

> > becomes just a formality, is just a eyewash.//

> > >

> > > The meaning of marriage in India is much much beyond " sex " . It

needs

> > deeper understanding. How did our grandparents have 14 children,

without

> > sex? Sex is meant for procreation (even the ancient Indian Kings had

> > many wives, for the sake of family), that is the law, when it is

> > exchanged for pleasure, the society changes to something else...

this is

> > well known. So the choice is always open, you marry for a family or

you

> > marry just for pleasure- no family

> > >

> > > //Most marriages in our circles are all broken long back but

allowed

> > legally to remain just for social reputation and family status. The

> > husbands and wives live like complete strangers in their bedrooms

and

> > meet probably once a month on the physical level for formality, just

> > because it has to be finished with. Out of ridicule, fear and

> > ostracisation no body has the guts to speak out about what they miss

in

> > their lives and what they want.//

> > >

> > > This maybe the condition with the modern Indian Society, which is

> > falling. True, we had the era of Savitri, we will see draupadis,

> > rishyasringas, kunti-putras etc

> > >

> > > // Though I am like Dev anand and would never consider myself old.

> > > He was a great crowd puller, and mostly females. How many Indians

can

> > > pull foreign ladies ? He had the power to do it though he was not

> > > handsome as most of our yesteryear Indian Film stars.//

> > >

> > > Pulling foreign ladies by Indian men is the easiest thing to do.

White

> > women are easily susceptible to spiritualism. They like to

experiment

> > everything. (Teenagers get pregnant to have a feel of it) Since you

are

> > like Dev Anand, you can be even powerful than OSHO. If you don the

role

> > of a spiritual Baba and wait at the Los Angeles airport for 4 hours,

you

> > can see 400 women line up after you. Wish you good luck!!!! But

after

> > experimentation, they will go away. Be careful.

> > >

> > > bhagavathi

> > >

> >

>

May 3, 2009

I thought that was confusing? What would one like? A desire (want) or need?If I say people should need me... am I not very egoistic?2009/5/3 kiran dasaur <kirandasaur

sorry bhaskarji

.....correction... " .NEEDED " ...not WANTED !!!!

there goes a quote.................I would never need to be wanted,but I would surely want to be needed

& I think whosoever said it said this very APYLY..agree??

--- On Sun, 5/3/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Fwd: Re: Is Krishna really an avatar ?

Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:49 AM

Dear Sreenadh ji and Lovely Chandu 2 Chill ji,

I too say the same thing but out of experience and in English and Hindi.

Who is a Emperor in this world ?

Undoubetdly the one who whether he earns Rs. 50 or Rs.5000- per day, does not matter, but whenever he comes home, is greeted by a sweet smile and a sweet talking women at the door. Sweetness if not there, koi gam nahin, par sarcasm, ironic or taints hon, toh phir 2 gaj jameen ke liye bhi aadmi taras jayega. At least the negatives must not be there , if not the sweetness, that also is enough to make a man feel like a King if not an Emperor.

A women who can make a man realise that he is her " man " , is enough to suffice his existence.

na maangu heera moti

na maangu bangla gaadi

yeh mere kis kaam ke

deti hai dil ke badle mein dil ke

........ " Pyaar mein sauda nahin " .

A feeling of being " wanted " is all what a human being requires in this big big world.

Love and hugs,

Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: