Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Goelji, I also wonder if there is any real need to reform the calendar. One can use the calendar of choice even now. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattachjarjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Goelji, I also wonder if there is any real need to reform the calendar. One can use the calendar of choice even now. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: dear sunil bhattacharji and group I forget to mention in my last post s this lines even if sun and moon in dhanisha at some point of time astronomicaly it will not b in Uttarayan ( northern declination of sun --tho astrologicaly it is possible only when sun enters makara rasi ) some says it shud b taken when shortest day happens with sun as it is astronomical tho it is not a viscible reality which rishies take ( as i find even other days other than reported also become shortest days around the same period actualy than reported by scientists as sun is apparently still those days ,even scientist are devided over the exact day of happening ) also those days wont happen makara samkranti as it is sun's entry into makara sign which is clear frm the term makar samkranti so all the 4 points mallaji declared as a pre requisite for hindu dharmic calender can tally may b after 10s of 1000s of yrs ,this calender baby proposed by them will b worst than wat ever they oppose . sorry i forget to add that sentence in last mails i am yet to find a quote that hindu uttarayan is northern declination of sun and it is the day (shortest day ) when shud b celebrated as Uttarayan as hindu zodiac is for time immomorial irrespectiv what ever may happen ( dharma karyas cannot change on daily basis and we cannot giv it to some fancy of scientist sitting in NASA and we cannot depend on tropical or seasons unless to fit in seasons ( only seasons not for dharma karyas ) in calender . rgrds sunil nair , Hari Malla harimalla@ wrote: > > Dear Bhattacharjyaji, > It is not a question of only uttrayan falling in dhanistha some 1400 or 2400 years ago and now too,but it is the five year yuga, the month of maagha, tapa sukla paksyha and uttrayan together starting at the sametime when the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha.This definition emphasises the meeting of various items of tropical,sidereal, lunar and solar natures.These four components have to be coordinated for the fulfillment of our all encompassing culture and its proper representation by our calender.If Jyotish does not do so, then how can we call it the 'eye of vedas'. The vedic calender cannot make substandard representation of the vedic culture, because some of us cannot or so not try to understand the all embracing nature of our religion and philosophy. > I do recall how you thought it allowable to let people shift the new uttrayan to dhanu sankranti.I think that is the only way to save our nirayan culture by making it reasonable so that sayan sankranti is authentically represented by the nirayan sankranti by the proximity of the two and both sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti also falling in the same full moon zone so that the tithi of uttrayan ie mangsir purnima gets both the the season giving sankranti (sayan) and season controlling sankranti(nirayan).Then our fesativals do get back their lost lustre.Thanking you, > Sincerely yours, > Hari Malla > > > > > ________________________________ > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya@ > > Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:57:50 AM > Re:Calender reform > > > > > > Dear Harimallaji, > > Uttarayana did occur in Dhanistha in 2400 BCE when the Vedanga Jyotisha was composed. But the Uttarayana doen not occur anymore in Dhanistha these days, thouigh the Sun and the Moon do meet at Dhanistha every five years and this type of conjunction of the Sun and the Moon can happen every five years in any other Nakshatra also. > > Sincerely, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Harimallaji, Uttarayana did occur in Dhanistha in 2400 BCE when the Vedanga Jyotisha was composed. But the Uttarayana doen not occur anymore in Dhanistha these days, thouigh the Sun and the Moon do meet at Dhanistha every five years and this type of conjunction of the Sun and the Moon can happen every five years in any other Nakshatra also. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, The interest shown in the Calendar Reform is only an eyewash. For calendar reform one does not have to abuse Varahamihira by calling him a charlatan and to call Mayasura a mleccha. It is also not necessary to call Indian Astrology as non-Vedic, inspite of the fact that the Vedic literature is replete with references to astrology. The Kaulian's main objective is to dislodge and discredit the Indian Astrology. That is why the battle is being fought here. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Bhattacharjyaji, Namaskar! Sir, Would you like to continue to celebrate magh snana as of poush purnima which is no more uttrayan, and not in mangsir purnima, where we have the uttaryan now a days? For the same reason would you like to continue to celebrate makar sankranti as nirayan uttarayan(24 degrees away from actual uttarayan), when nirayan dhanu sankrant is available which is only 6 degreees away from actual uttarayan?Please remember how you had said that no body will object if people want to celebrate uttarayan in dhanu sankranti.This in fact is the best way to protect nirayan ssytem,which I appreciated you for supporting it.Please do not take back these golden words which came out of you. I am trying to preserve the nirayan or sidereal system, within reasonable boounds.Otherwise if we continue to be unreasonable then the sayan supporters like Mr.robert Wilkinson of the Waves-forum will overtake us in no time.Perhaps it wil be too late to revert back to the nirayan system again if we continue to delay in enforcing the calaender reform by the coordinated way and protect the nirayan system.So please let us be timely reasonable and make hay while the sun shines. Otherwise like the 30 temples in Tamilnadu,many more will start celebrating festivals by the sayan method and the nirayan system will be the cause of its own death.Thanking you,I remain, Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ________________________________ Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:12:54 AM Re:Calender reform Dear Goelji, I also wonder if there is any real need to reform the calendar. One can use the calendar of choice even now. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattachjarjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Sunil Bhattacharjyaji and Bhaskarji, When we say our calender must simultaneously be sidereal and tropical both, it is not an eye wash but a brilliant interpretation of our true vedic culture. Or else how do we interpret the following basis of Vedanga Jyotish if we do not interpret both in the tropical and the sidereal views? Verse 6 Vedanga jyotish: When the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha nakshyatra, then the five years yuga, month of maagha,tapa sukla pakshya and uttrayan start together. Thus I feel those who try to interpret our culture only in the light of either the sayan concept or the purely nirayan concepts are lopsided and lame interpretation of the total truth.They have yet to understand our true vedic culture which is all encompassing.Do you not think so? Thanking you, Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ________________________________ Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:40:46 AM Re:Calender reform Dear Bhaskarji, The interest shown in the Calendar Reform is only an eyewash. For calendar reform one does not have to abuse Varahamihira by calling him a charlatan and to call Mayasura a mleccha. It is also not necessary to call Indian Astrology as non-Vedic, inspite of the fact that the Vedic literature is replete with references to astrology. The Kaulian's main objective is to dislodge and discredit the Indian Astrology. That is why the battle is being fought here. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Bhattacharjyaji, It is not a question of only uttrayan falling in dhanistha some 1400 or 2400 years ago and now too,but it is the five year yuga, the month of maagha, tapa sukla paksyha and uttrayan together starting at the sametime when the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha.This definition emphasises the meeting of various items of tropical,sidereal, lunar and solar natures.These four components have to be coordinated for the fulfillment of our all encompassing culture and its proper representation by our calender.If Jyotish does not do so, then how can we call it the 'eye of vedas'. The vedic calender cannot make substandard representation of the vedic culture, because some of us cannot or so not try to understand the all embracing nature of our religion and philosophy. I do recall how you thought it allowable to let people shift the new uttrayan to dhanu sankranti.I think that is the only way to save our nirayan culture by making it reasonable so that sayan sankranti is authentically represented by the nirayan sankranti by the proximity of the two and both sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti also falling in the same full moon zone so that the tithi of uttrayan ie mangsir purnima gets both the the season giving sankranti (sayan) and season controlling sankranti(nirayan).Then our fesativals do get back their lost lustre.Thanking you, Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ________________________________ Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:57:50 AM Re:Calender reform Dear Harimallaji, Uttarayana did occur in Dhanistha in 2400 BCE when the Vedanga Jyotisha was composed. But the Uttarayana doen not occur anymore in Dhanistha these days, thouigh the Sun and the Moon do meet at Dhanistha every five years and this type of conjunction of the Sun and the Moon can happen every five years in any other Nakshatra also. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 dear sunil bhattacharji and group I forget to mention in my last post s this lines even if sun and moon in dhanisha at some point of time astronomicaly it will not b in Uttarayan ( northern declination of sun --tho astrologicaly it is possible only when sun enters makara rasi ) some says it shud b taken when shortest day happens with sun as it is astronomical tho it is not a viscible reality which rishies take ( as i find even other days other than reported also become shortest days around the same period actualy than reported by scientists as sun is apparently still those days ,even scientist are devided over the exact day of happening ) also those days wont happen makara samkranti as it is sun's entry into makara sign which is clear frm the term makar samkranti so all the 4 points mallaji declared as a pre requisite for hindu dharmic calender can tally may b after 10s of 1000s of yrs ,this calender baby proposed by them will b worst than wat ever they oppose . sorry i forget to add that sentence in last mails i am yet to find a quote that hindu uttarayan is northern declination of sun and it is the day when shud b celebrated as Uttarayan as hindu zodiac is for time immomorial irrespectiv what ever may happen ( dharma karyas cannot change on daily basis and we cannot giv it to some fancy of scientist sitting in NASA and we cannot depend on tropical or seasons unless to fit in seasons ( only seasons not for dharma karyas ) in calender . rgrds sunil nair , Hari Malla <harimalla wrote:>> Dear Bhattacharjyaji,> It is not a question of only uttrayan falling in dhanistha some 1400 or 2400 years ago and now too,but it is the five year yuga, the month of maagha, tapa sukla paksyha and uttrayan together starting at the sametime when the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha.This definition emphasises the meeting of various items of tropical,sidereal, lunar and solar natures.These four components have to be coordinated for the fulfillment of our all encompassing culture and its proper representation by our calender.If Jyotish does not do so, then how can we call it the 'eye of vedas'. The vedic calender cannot make substandard representation of the vedic culture, because some of us cannot or so not try to understand the all embracing nature of our religion and philosophy.> I do recall how you thought it allowable to let people shift the new uttrayan to dhanu sankranti.I think that is the only way to save our nirayan culture by making it reasonable so that sayan sankranti is authentically represented by the nirayan sankranti by the proximity of the two and both sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti also falling in the same full moon zone so that the tithi of uttrayan ie mangsir purnima gets both the the season giving sankranti (sayan) and season controlling sankranti(nirayan).Then our fesativals do get back their lost lustre.Thanking you,> Sincerely yours,> Hari Malla> > > > > ________________________________> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:57:50 AM> Re:Calender reform> > > > > > Dear Harimallaji,> > Uttarayana did occur in Dhanistha in 2400 BCE when the Vedanga Jyotisha was composed. But the Uttarayana doen not occur anymore in Dhanistha these days, thouigh the Sun and the Moon do meet at Dhanistha every five years and this type of conjunction of the Sun and the Moon can happen every five years in any other Nakshatra also.> > Sincerely,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Harimallaji, Once for all please understand that I shall celebrate the Makar Sankranti as I am doing correctly now when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. If you want to celebrate the Uttarayana as Dhanu Sankranti I shall not object to it. Is that clear? Do as you like. You referred to Dharmashastra. Where are the references I told you to show to substantiate your statement? Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: Hari Malla <harimalla Re:Calender reform Cc: " AKKaul Kaul " <HinduCalendar > Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 7:54 P Dear Bhattacharjyaji, Namaskar! Sir, Would you like to continue to celebrate magh snana as of poush purnima which is no more uttrayan, and not in mangsir purnima, where we have the uttaryan now a days? For the same reason would you like to continue to celebrate makar sankranti as nirayan uttarayan(24 degrees away from actual uttarayan), when nirayan dhanu sankrant is available which is only 6 degreees away from actual uttarayan?Please remember how you had said that no body will object if people want to celebrate uttarayan in dhanu sankranti.This in fact is the best way to protect nirayan ssytem,which I appreciated you for supporting it.Please do not take back these golden words which came out of you. I am trying to preserve the nirayan or sidereal system, within reasonable boounds.Otherwise if we continue to be unreasonable then the sayan supporters like Mr.robert Wilkinson of the Waves-forum will overtake us in no time.Perhaps it wil be too late to revert back to the nirayan system again if we continue to delay in enforcing the calaender reform by the coordinated way and protect the nirayan system.So please let us be timely reasonable and make hay while the sun shines. Otherwise like the 30 temples in Tamilnadu,many more will start celebrating festivals by the sayan method and the nirayan system will be the cause of its own death.Thanking you,I remain, Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ____________ _________ _________ __ Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:12:54 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reform Dear Goelji, I also wonder if there is any real need to reform the calendar. One can use the calendar of choice even now. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattachjarjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Harimallaji, Did I not say that the Uttarayana no longer occurs in Dhanistha now? Even a schoolboy will understand that but you cannot. Uttarayana will go on changing nakshatra and Rashi and we have to recognise that. Is that Clear? Do whatever you like.for yourself. Sincerely Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: Hari Malla <harimalla Re:Calender reform Cc: HinduCalendar Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 8:12 PM Dear Sunil Bhattacharjyaji and Bhaskarji, When we say our calender must simultaneously be sidereal and tropical both, it is not an eye wash but a brilliant interpretation of our true vedic culture. Or else how do we interpret the following basis of Vedanga Jyotish if we do not interpret both in the tropical and the sidereal views? Verse 6 Vedanga jyotish: When the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha nakshyatra, then the five years yuga, month of maagha,tapa sukla pakshya and uttrayan start together. Thus I feel those who try to interpret our culture only in the light of either the sayan concept or the purely nirayan concepts are lopsided and lame interpretation of the total truth.They have yet to understand our true vedic culture which is all encompassing. Do you not think so? Thanking you, Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Harimallaji, Quote I do recall how you thought it allowable to let people shift the new uttrayan to dhanu sankranti Unquote I shall clarify. If some fools want to celebrate Uttarayana as Dhanu Sankranti I shall not object to it. I have no control over what others want to do. Is that clear? As regards the five year yuga it occurs even now. Whatever calendar you follow the Sun and the Moon will meet every five years at the same point. You said that whatever you are saying are from the Dharmashastras. Where are the references from Dharmashastras? Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: Hari Malla <harimalla Re:Calender reform Cc: HinduCalendar Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 8:34 PM Dear Bhattacharjyaji, It is not a question of only uttrayan falling in dhanistha some 1400 or 2400 years ago and now too,but it is the five year yuga, the month of maagha, tapa sukla paksyha and uttrayan together starting at the sametime when the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha.This definition emphasises the meeting of various items of tropical,sidereal, lunar and solar natures.These four components have to be coordinated for the fulfillment of our all encompassing culture and its proper representation by our calender.If Jyotish does not do so, then how can we call it the 'eye of vedas'. The vedic calender cannot make substandard representation of the vedic culture, because some of us cannot or so not try to understand the all embracing nature of our religion and philosophy. I do recall how you thought it allowable to let people shift the new uttrayan to dhanu sankranti.I think that is the only way to save our nirayan culture by making it reasonable so that sayan sankranti is authentically represented by the nirayan sankranti by the proximity of the two and both sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti also falling in the same full moon zone so that the tithi of uttrayan ie mangsir purnima gets both the the season giving sankranti (sayan) and season controlling sankranti(nirayan) .Then our fesativals do get back their lost lustre.Thanking you, Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ____________ _________ _________ __ Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:57:50 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reform Dear Harimallaji, Uttarayana did occur in Dhanistha in 2400 BCE when the Vedanga Jyotisha was composed. But the Uttarayana doen not occur anymore in Dhanistha these days, thouigh the Sun and the Moon do meet at Dhanistha every five years and this type of conjunction of the Sun and the Moon can happen every five years in any other Nakshatra also. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Sunil Nairji,The Vedanga Jyotisha was composed much before 1400 BCe. I estimated it to be in around 2400 BCE. Prof. Ashar found it to be in 1800 BCE on the basis of his studies with an astronomical software. The Data given by the Vedanga Jyotisha was valid at the time of composition of the Vedanga Jyotisha. It cannot happen again. Harimallaji is unable to realise that the Uttarayana goes on shifting and our vedic ancestors recognised that . So this is a Vedic tradition to recognise the facts of shift of the Uttarayana. Harimallaji wants to nullify that and according to me nullifying this Vedic tradition will be an anti-Hindu action. He wants some people with him for that so that he will not be blamed alone for these misdeeds. Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Tue, 4/28/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re:Calender reform Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:34 PM dear sunil bhattacharji and group I forget to mention in my last post s this lines even if sun and moon in dhanisha at some point of time astronomicaly it will not b in Uttarayan ( northern declination of sun --tho astrologicaly it is possible only when sun enters makara rasi ) some says it shud b taken when shortest day happens with sun as it is astronomical tho it is not a viscible reality which rishies take ( as i find even other days other than reported also become shortest days around the same period actualy than reported by scientists as sun is apparently still those days ,even scientist are devided over the exact day of happening ) also those days wont happen makara samkranti as it is sun's entry into makara sign which is clear frm the term makar samkranti so all the 4 points mallaji declared as a pre requisite for hindu dharmic calender can tally may b after 10s of 1000s of yrs ,this calender baby proposed by them will b worst than wat ever they oppose . sorry i forget to add that sentence in last mails i am yet to find a quote that hindu uttarayan is northern declination of sun and it is the day when shud b celebrated as Uttarayan as hindu zodiac is for time immomorial irrespectiv what ever may happen ( dharma karyas cannot change on daily basis and we cannot giv it to some fancy of scientist sitting in NASA and we cannot depend on tropical or seasons unless to fit in seasons ( only seasons not for dharma karyas ) in calender . rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Bhattacharjyaji,> It is not a question of only uttrayan falling in dhanistha some 1400 or 2400 years ago and now too,but it is the five year yuga, the month of maagha, tapa sukla paksyha and uttrayan together starting at the sametime when the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha.This definition emphasises the meeting of various items of tropical,sidereal, lunar and solar natures.These four components have to be coordinated for the fulfillment of our all encompassing culture and its proper representation by our calender.If Jyotish does not do so, then how can we call it the 'eye of vedas'. The vedic calender cannot make substandard representation of the vedic culture, because some of us cannot or so not try to understand the all embracing nature of our religion and philosophy.> I do recall how you thought it allowable to let people shift the new uttrayan to dhanu sankranti.I think that is the only way to save our nirayan culture by making it reasonable so that sayan sankranti is authentically represented by the nirayan sankranti by the proximity of the two and both sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti also falling in the same full moon zone so that the tithi of uttrayan ie mangsir purnima gets both the the season giving sankranti (sayan) and season controlling sankranti(nirayan) .Then our fesativals do get back their lost lustre.Thanking you,> Sincerely yours,> Hari Malla> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:57:50 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reform> > > > > > Dear Harimallaji,> > Uttarayana did occur in Dhanistha in 2400 BCE when the Vedanga Jyotisha was composed. But the Uttarayana doen not occur anymore in Dhanistha these days, thouigh the Sun and the Moon do meet at Dhanistha every five years and this type of conjunction of the Sun and the Moon can happen every five years in any other Nakshatra also.> > Sincerely,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Hari Malla ji, That quote holds a secret logic that can washout the whole of kaulian baseless arguments - which both Kaul and you are yet to understand. Can you guess what? The whole seasonal castle all the Kaulians have created will fall if the logic and approach behind that quote is meditated upon. Curious right? I will write more on this later. Note: I will I will club the answer with my pending article on Vedic months.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Hari Malla <harimalla wrote:>> Dear Sunil Bhattacharjyaji and Bhaskarji,> When we say our calender must simultaneously be sidereal and tropical both, it is not an eye wash but a brilliant interpretation of our true vedic culture.> Or else how do we interpret the following basis of Vedanga Jyotish if we do not interpret both in the tropical and the sidereal views?> Verse 6 Vedanga jyotish:> When the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha nakshyatra, then the five years yuga, month of maagha,tapa sukla pakshya and uttrayan start together.> Thus I feel those who try to interpret our culture only in the light of either the sayan concept or the purely nirayan concepts are lopsided and lame interpretation of the total truth.They have yet to understand our true vedic culture which is all encompassing.Do you not think so? Thanking you,> Sincerely yours,> Hari Malla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, I have two but valuable question. Question -1 ======= When we say that - "Equinox traverse through Nakshatras" what we mean? Do we mean that the "The starting point of Nakshatras change with the movement of vernal equinox" or that "The position of Equinox change but Nakshatras remain fixed"? Ofcourse we know that it is the second - i.e. The Nakshatras remain fixed (27 Nakshatras having 13 deg 28 min each), and the equinox traverse through them gradually" - right? The same would be true with the solstices as well, since with equinox the solstices also move -right? I know that you will not disagree on the fact that based on equinoxes and solstices seasons can be measured. Now if I say - Seasons (represented by seasons or equinox) started with Vasanta Ritu in Madhu Masa what will you interpret? In the absence of any other poof regarding whether Madhu Masa is sidereal solar or tropical solar, you may have two choices - 1) Consider that "the starting point of Months change with the movement of vernal equinox" (The erroneous argument in the case of Nakshatras as mentioned earlier!) 2) Consider that "The position of Equinox change but Moths remain fixed"! (The correct argument in the case of Nakshatras as exemplified earlier!) So what do you say - whether this Tapa, Tapasya, Madhu, Madhava etc are sidereal solar or tropical solar? Similarly what about other Vedic months? Qustion -2 ======= How will you identify that whether a month sequence given in Vedas (as mentioned earlier there are more than 5 types of month name series available) is Lunar or Solar (Sidereal solar and Tropical solar)? I think the answer is simple - If Adhi masa (extra months) are used then certainly the sequence is lunar in nature; and if no Adhi masa used then certainly it is solar month. To identify whether a solar month that was in use was sidereal solar or tropical solar what procedure or logic you will follow? Your inputs and thoughts are valid. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Harimallaji,> > Did I not say that the Uttarayana no longer occurs in Dhanistha now? Even a schoolboy will understand that but you cannot. Uttarayana will go on changing nakshatra and Rashi and we have to recognise that. Is that Clear? Do whatever you like.for yourself.> > Sincerely> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 dear sreenadh ji and bhattacharjya ji yes ,it is true that vedic seers considered seasons in vedic calender ,but not the way kaulians argue . They consider siderial moon and sun and then season was just adjucted tru months as madhu ,madhava as they thinks season and ritu chakra (cycle ) is considered . But season only season was never a critirea like kaulian s argue . Also vedic rituals they follow lunar months as masa poojas r for moon ( it has wide meanings which i dont want to discuss ( may b if god permits i may write one article later ) with kaulians around and we shud note that this lunar month is solar in a way or solar itself - as seers knows it is not the moon strts seasons ) where as daily poojas and varshika ( yearly poojas) are for sun . what ever it is the critiria for calender was never seasons also i am still doubt ful the Uttarayana and shortest day which is considered as begining of seasons are same or diffrnt ,as then it will not get sanctity as it is said in various sastras death in Uttarayan is good and remembr bheeshma pita maha was waiting for uttarayan to happen to die .So i blv here Uttarayana shud b diffrnt . Again samkranthi is sun 's ingress into rasies and it is start of vedic solar months too ,so how can we approov kaulian arguemnt that it shud b chnaged to seasons cycle ?? (as samkramana means moving or stepping in ) {but the eagerness of kaulians to weld everything into one and that also tru non existant baseless arguemnts or misintrepreted European scholarly quotes is what make us anger as it will not contribute to any searious discussion even and it has a nuisance value only .But tru 25 yrs kaul has almost perfected this art of fooling (I i find even many the suicide soldiers of hindu forums has fall for kaulian agendas ) and even making those who are honest and decent helpless tru misquoting/twisting as finaly even gr8 scholar like sankara will run away .Plus who has got time for answer 100s of various cut and paste mails unless u r paid for it }. also another thing the lunar months adjusted with adik masa and kshaya masa etc is depending on sun's transit and Months again proovs without rasies and without considering sun's movemnt tru it ,it is not possible Adhika and kshaya masas ------------------------------- ////When the sun does not at all transit into any rasi but simply keeps moving within a rasi in a lunar month (i.e. before a new moon), then that lunar month will be named according to the first upcoming transit. It will also take the epithet of adhik or "extra". For example, if a lunar month elapsed without a solar transit and the next transit is into Mesha, then this month without transit is labeled adhik Chaitra. The next month will be labeled according to its transit as usual and will get the epithet nija ("original") or shuddha ("clean"). [Note that an adhik mâsa (month) is the first of two whereas an adhika tithi is the second of two.] An adhik masa occurs once every two or three years (meaning, with a gap of one or two years without adhik masa-s). Extra Month, or adhik mas mâsa (mas = lunar month) or purushottam mas (It is known so to give it a religious name, purushottam = krishna) falls every 32.5 months. Thus 12 Hindu mas (masa) is equal to approximate 356 days, while solar year have 365 or 366 (in leap year) which create differece of 9 to 10 days, which is subset every 3rd year. But no adhik mas falls during Kartik to Maha////. So beyond doubt it is prooved again again that kaulian agenda is not for calender and we hav answered kaul in all possible ways against his attacks on astrology and vedic calender , even his famous quote i searched all vedas and dharma sastra frm cover to cover i dont find mention of rasies in it can b told to his grand children as chanda mama stories . Now for those who thinks ( those who use brain and has their knowldge digested thanthose who read so many Texts to find dosha in everything ) did they need any further explanation for vedic proof and approval for even rasies used in astrology which kaul says as if it is greek or chaldean import ,even by considering the antiquity of indian history and vedas This is why i asked kaul "is children taught father everything " ??? rgrds sunil nair , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,> I have two but valuable question. > Question -1> =======> When we say that - "Equinox traverse through Nakshatras" what we mean?> Do we mean that the "The starting point of Nakshatras change with the> movement of vernal equinox" or that "The position of Equinox change but> Nakshatras remain fixed"? Ofcourse we know that it is the second - i.e.> The Nakshatras remain fixed (27 Nakshatras having 13 deg 28 min each),> and the equinox traverse through them gradually" - right? The same> would be true with the solstices as well, since with equinox the> solstices also move -right? I know that you will not disagree on the> fact that based on equinoxes and solstices seasons can be measured.> Now if I say - Seasons (represented by seasons or equinox) started> with Vasanta Ritu in Madhu Masa what will you interpret?> In the absence of any other poof regarding whether Madhu Masa is> sidereal solar or tropical solar, you may have two choices -> 1) Consider that "the starting point of Months change with the> movement of vernal equinox" (The erroneous argument in the case of> Nakshatras as mentioned earlier!)> 2) Consider that "The position of Equinox change but Moths remain> fixed"! (The correct argument in the case of Nakshatras as exemplified> earlier!)> So what do you say - whether this Tapa, Tapasya, Madhu, Madhava etc> are sidereal solar or tropical solar? Similarly what about other> Vedic months?> > Qustion -2> =======> How will you identify that whether a month sequence given in Vedas> (as mentioned earlier there are more than 5 types of month name series> available) is Lunar or Solar (Sidereal solar and Tropical solar)?> I think the answer is simple - If Adhi masa (extra months) are used> then certainly the sequence is lunar in nature; and if no Adhi masa used> then certainly it is solar month. To identify whether a solar month that> was in use was sidereal solar or tropical solar what procedure or logic> you will follow?> > Your inputs and thoughts are valid.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya> sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:> >> > Dear Harimallaji,> >> > Did I not say that the Uttarayana no longer occurs in Dhanistha now?> Even a schoolboy will understand that but you cannot. Uttarayana will go> on changing nakshatra and Rashi and we have to recognise that. Is that> Clear? Do whatever you like.for yourself.> >> > Sincerely> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 dear sunil bhattacharjya ji i fully agree with ur view s ,my opinion s already posted in another mail . Now it is high time for us to stop answering this frauds and let us ignore them and get back to our real interest which is astrology and astrology alone ,other wise we will b indirectly walking in their trap which is aimed for destroying vedic astrology and many many ( i will say almost 40 % ) of our memebrs are frm diffrnt geographical locations in world and they may b already feeling bored thanks and rgrds sunil nair , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > The Vedanga Jyotisha was composed much before 1400 BCe. I estimated it to be in around 2400 BCE. Prof. Ashar found it to be in 1800 BCE on the basis of his studies with an astronomical software. The Data given by the Vedanga Jyotisha was valid at the time of composition of the Vedanga Jyotisha. It cannot happen again. Harimallaji is unable to realise that the Uttarayana goes on shifting and our vedic ancestors recognised that . So this is a Vedic tradition to recognise the facts of shift of the Uttarayana. Harimallaji wants to nullify that and according to me nullifying this Vedic tradition will be an anti-Hindu action. He wants some people with him for that so that he will not be blamed alone for these misdeeds. > > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re:Calender reform> > Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:34 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sunil bhattacharji and group > > I forget to mention in my last post s this lines > > even if sun and moon in dhanisha at some point of time astronomicaly it will not b in Uttarayan ( northern declination of sun --tho astrologicaly it is possible only when sun enters makara rasi ) some says it shud b taken when shortest day happens with sun as it is astronomical tho it is not a viscible reality which rishies take ( as i find even other days other than reported also become shortest days around the same period actualy than reported by scientists as sun is apparently still those days ,even scientist are devided over the exact day of happening ) > also those days wont happen makara samkranti as it is sun's entry into makara sign which is clear frm the term makar samkranti > so all the 4 points mallaji declared as a pre requisite for hindu dharmic calender can tally may b after 10s of 1000s of yrs ,this calender baby proposed by them will b worst than wat ever they oppose .> > sorry i forget to add that sentence in last mails> > i am yet to find a quote that hindu uttarayan is northern declination of sun and it is the day when shud b celebrated as Uttarayan as hindu zodiac is for time immomorial irrespectiv what ever may happen ( dharma karyas cannot change on daily basis and we cannot giv it to some fancy of scientist sitting in NASA and we cannot depend on tropical or seasons unless to fit in seasons ( only seasons not for dharma karyas ) in calender .> > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla harimalla@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,> > It is not a question of only uttrayan falling in dhanistha some 1400 or 2400 years ago and now too,but it is the five year yuga, the month of maagha, tapa sukla paksyha and uttrayan together starting at the sametime when the sun and the moon rise together in dhanistha.This definition emphasises the meeting of various items of tropical,sidereal, lunar and solar natures.These four components have to be coordinated for the fulfillment of our all encompassing culture and its proper representation by our calender.If Jyotish does not do so, then how can we call it the 'eye of vedas'. The vedic calender cannot make substandard representation of the vedic culture, because some of us cannot or so not try to understand the all embracing nature of our religion and philosophy.> > I do recall how you thought it allowable to let people shift the new uttrayan to dhanu sankranti.I think that is the only way to save our nirayan culture by making it reasonable so that sayan sankranti is authentically represented by the nirayan sankranti by the proximity of the two and both sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti also falling in the same full moon zone so that the tithi of uttrayan ie mangsir purnima gets both the the season giving sankranti (sayan) and season controlling sankranti(nirayan) .Then our fesativals do get back their lost lustre.Thanking you,> > Sincerely yours,> > Hari Malla> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:57:50 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reform> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Harimallaji,> > > > Uttarayana did occur in Dhanistha in 2400 BCE when the Vedanga Jyotisha was composed. But the Uttarayana doen not occur anymore in Dhanistha these days, thouigh the Sun and the Moon do meet at Dhanistha every five years and this type of conjunction of the Sun and the Moon can happen every five years in any other Nakshatra also.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dear Bhattacharajyaji, May I please know exactly which quote you wanted from dharma shastras.If it is Makar sankranti and Poush purnima as maagha snana it is given in Dharma Sindhu. There is freedom to do maagha snana either by tithi on poush purnima or by solar date on makar sankranti. The quote from vedanga jyotish specifies month of maagh and tapa sukla pratipada by which i understand tropical by Tapa sukla and sidereal by the word 'maagha'.It specifies the lunar uttarayan date when maagha snana was celebrated those days.They are the same lunar month of maagha, only the reference are different.Now a days, maagha snana is done on poush purnima as it was shifted towards the beginning of the CE when uttarayan ws shifted to makar sankranti.If they shifted 15 days those days, we can also do it now to suit us now.There is no problem in this. Sir please let us analyse the matter carefully.I have no prejudice but I feel our culture should not be overlooked.My pleasure to entertain more quories if you have .Thank you. Sincerely yours, Hari Malla Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:57:20 AM Re:Calender reform Dear Harimallaji,Once for all please understand that I shall celebrate the Makar Sankranti as I am doing correctly now when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. If you want to celebrate the Uttarayana as Dhanu Sankranti I shall not object to it. Is that clear? Do as you like.You referred to Dharmashastra. Where are the references I told you to show to substantiate your statement?Sincerely,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Hari Malla <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> wrote:Hari Malla <harimalla@rocketmai l.com>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reformancient_indian_ astrologyCc: "AKKaul Kaul" <HinduCalendar>Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 7:54 P Dear Bhattacharjyaji, Namaskar! Sir, Would you like to continue to celebrate magh snana as of poush purnima which is no more uttrayan, and not in mangsir purnima, where we have the uttaryan now a days? For the same reason would you like to continue to celebrate makar sankranti as nirayan uttarayan(24 degrees away from actual uttarayan), when nirayan dhanu sankrant is available which is only 6 degreees away from actual uttarayan?Please remember how you had said that no body will object if people want to celebrate uttarayan in dhanu sankranti.This in fact is the best way to protect nirayan ssytem,which I appreciated you for supporting it.Please do not take back these golden words which came out of you.I am trying to preserve the nirayan or sidereal system, within reasonable boounds.Otherwise if we continue to be unreasonable then the sayan supporters like Mr.robert Wilkinson of the Waves-forum will overtake us in no time.Perhaps it wil be too late to revert back to the nirayan system again if we continue to delay in enforcing the calaender reform by the coordinated way and protect the nirayan system.So please let us be timely reasonable and make hay while the sun shines.Otherwise like the 30 temples in Tamilnadu,many more will start celebrating festivals by the sayan method and the nirayan system will be the cause of its own death.Thanking you,I remain,Sincerely yours,Hari Malla____________ _________ _________ __Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, April 29, 2009 4:12:54 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reformDear Goelji,I also wonder if there is any real need to reform the calendar. One can use the calendar of choice even now.Regards,Sunil K.. Bhattachjarjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Dear harimallaji, Maghasnana as the name indicates is related to the Magha month. Dont you think that it is only proper that it is done in the month of Magha? Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: Hari Malla <harimalla Re: Re:Calender reform Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 3:51 AM Dear Bhattacharajyaji, May I please know exactly which quote you wanted from dharma shastras.If it is Makar sankranti and Poush purnima as maagha snana it is given in Dharma Sindhu. There is freedom to do maagha snana either by tithi on poush purnima or by solar date on makar sankranti. The quote from vedanga jyotish specifies month of maagh and tapa sukla pratipada by which i understand tropical by Tapa sukla and sidereal by the word 'maagha'.It specifies the lunar uttarayan date when maagha snana was celebrated those days.They are the same lunar month of maagha, only the reference are different.Now a days, maagha snana is done on poush purnima as it was shifted towards the beginning of the CE when uttarayan ws shifted to makar sankranti.If they shifted 15 days those days, we can also do it now to suit us now.There is no problem in this. Sir please let us analyse the matter carefully.I have no prejudice but I feel our culture should not be overlooked.My pleasure to entertain more quories if you have .Thank you. Sincerely yours, Hari Malla Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:57:20 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reform Dear Harimallaji, Once for all please understand that I shall celebrate the Makar Sankranti as I am doing correctly now when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. If you want to celebrate the Uttarayana as Dhanu Sankranti I shall not object to it. Is that clear? Do as you like. You referred to Dharmashastra. Where are the references I told you to show to substantiate your statement? Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Hari Malla <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> wrote: Hari Malla <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reform ancient_indian_ astrology Cc: " AKKaul Kaul " <HinduCalendar> Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 7:54 P Dear Bhattacharjyaji, Namaskar! Sir, Would you like to continue to celebrate magh snana as of poush purnima which is no more uttrayan, and not in mangsir purnima, where we have the uttaryan now a days? For the same reason would you like to continue to celebrate makar sankranti as nirayan uttarayan(24 degrees away from actual uttarayan), when nirayan dhanu sankrant is available which is only 6 degreees away from actual uttarayan?Please remember how you had said that no body will object if people want to celebrate uttarayan in dhanu sankranti.This in fact is the best way to protect nirayan ssytem,which I appreciated you for supporting it.Please do not take back these golden words which came out of you. I am trying to preserve the nirayan or sidereal system, within reasonable boounds.Otherwise if we continue to be unreasonable then the sayan supporters like Mr.robert Wilkinson of the Waves-forum will overtake us in no time.Perhaps it wil be too late to revert back to the nirayan system again if we continue to delay in enforcing the calaender reform by the coordinated way and protect the nirayan system.So please let us be timely reasonable and make hay while the sun shines. Otherwise like the 30 temples in Tamilnadu,many more will start celebrating festivals by the sayan method and the nirayan system will be the cause of its own death.Thanking you,I remain, Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ____________ _________ _________ __ Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:12:54 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Calender reform Dear Goelji, I also wonder if there is any real need to reform the calendar. One can use the calendar of choice even now. Regards, Sunil K.. Bhattachjarjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Dear Bahataacharyajyaji, Yes it is so.But the month of magh has been set as the first month after uttarayan in the dharma shastras.The purush or aditya starts from here and is called as Arun of which Sreenadhji has also mentioned in his listing of the types of months.You wil recall that in the vedanga jyotish, it says month of maagha, tapa sukla pakshya.Now tapa is the tropical month starting form uttarayan. Since it starts both in the month of maagaha and tap sukla pakshya,uttrayan is involved in the month of maagha.Maghasnana was shifted nthe dharma shastrass form maagha sukla pratipada to poush purnima after the advent of dsidhanta jyotish.Thus the presant magha snaana is on poush purnima. My emphasis is on the lunar and the solar months of maagh, when the full moon of Poush fluctuates 15 days forward and backward from Makar sankranti.This is important because, this seems to be the authentic definition of nirayan sankranti that it is the mid point of the full moon zone.As long as the tropical uttrayan remains in the fullmoon zone the said makar sankrati can authentically represent the uttarayan.After it leaves the full moon zone of poush and entre the zone of mangsir, it has not authority ot represent uttaryan.Ours being a soli-lunar system this limit is reasonable and necessary.If you donot mind may i request you to send your future mails to parvasudhar2065 Thanking you sincerely yours, Hari Malla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: dear sreenadh ji and bhattacharjya ji yes ,it is true that vedic seers considered seasons in vedic calender ,but not the way kaulians argue . They consider siderial moon and sun and then season was just adjucted tru months as madhu ,madhava as they thinks season and ritu chakra (cycle ) is considered . But season only season was never a critirea like kaulian s argue . Also vedic rituals they follow lunar months as masa poojas r for moon ( it has wide meanings which i dont want to discuss ( may b if god permits i may write one article later ) with kaulians around and we shud note that this lunar month is solar in a way or solar itself - as seers knows it is not the moon strts seasons ) where as daily poojas and varshika ( yearly poojas) are for sun . what ever it is the critiria for calender was never seasons also i am still doubt ful the Uttarayana and shortest day which is considered as begining of seasons are same or diffrnt ,as then it will not get sanctity as it is said in various sastras death in Uttarayan is good and remembr bheeshma pita maha was waiting for uttarayan to happen to die .So i blv here Uttarayana shud b diffrnt . Again samkranthi is sun 's ingress into rasies and it is start of vedic solar months too ,so how can we approov kaulian arguemnt that it shud b chnaged to seasons cycle ?? (as samkramana means moving or stepping in ) {but the eagerness of kaulians to weld everything into one and that also tru non existant baseless arguemnts or misintrepreted European scholarly quotes is what make us anger as it will not contribute to any searious discussion even and it has a nuisance value only .But tru 25 yrs kaul has almost perfected this art of fooling (I i find even many the suicide soldiers of hindu forums has fall for kaulian agendas ) and even making those who are honest and decent helpless tru misquoting/twisting as finaly even gr8 scholar like sankara will run away .Plus who has got time for answer 100s of various cut and paste mails unless u r paid for it }. also another thing the lunar months adjusted with adik masa and kshaya masa etc is depending on sun's transit and Months again proovs without rasies and without considering sun's movemnt tru it ,it is not possible Adhika and kshaya masas ------------------------------- ////When the sun does not at all transit into any rasi but simply keeps moving within a rasi in a lunar month (i.e. before a new moon), then that lunar month will be named according to the first upcoming transit. It will also take the epithet of adhik or " extra " . For example, if a lunar month elapsed without a solar transit and the next transit is into Mesha, then this month without transit is labeled adhik Chaitra. The next month will be labeled according to its transit as usual and will get the epithet nija ( " original " ) or shuddha ( " clean " ). [Note that an adhik mâsa (month) is the first of two whereas an adhika tithi is the second of two.] An adhik masa occurs once every two or three years (meaning, with a gap of one or two years without adhik masa-s). Extra Month, or adhik mas mâsa (mas = lunar month) or purushottam mas (It is known so to give it a religious name, purushottam = krishna) falls every 32.5 months. Thus 12 Hindu mas (masa) is equal to approximate 356 days, while solar year have 365 or 366 (in leap year) which create differece of 9 to 10 days, which is subset every 3rd year. But no adhik mas falls during Kartik to Maha////. So beyond doubt it is prooved again again that kaulian agenda is not for calender and we hav answered kaul in all possible ways against his attacks on astrology and vedic calender , even his famous quote i searched all vedas and dharma sastra frm cover to cover i dont find mention of rasies in it can b told to his grand children as chanda mama stories . Now for those who thinks ( those who use brain and has their knowldge digested thanthose who read so many Texts to find dosha in everything ) did they need any further explanation for vedic proof and approval for even rasies used in astrology which kaul says as if it is greek or chaldean import ,even by considering the antiquity of indian history and vedas This is why i asked kaul " is children taught father everything " ??? rgrds sunil nair , " Sreenadh " sreesog@ wrote: > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, > I have two but valuable question. > Question -1 > ======= > When we say that - " Equinox traverse through Nakshatras " what we mean? > Do we mean that the " The starting point of Nakshatras change with the > movement of vernal equinox " or that " The position of Equinox change but > Nakshatras remain fixed " ? Ofcourse we know that it is the second - i.e. > The Nakshatras remain fixed (27 Nakshatras having 13 deg 28 min each), > and the equinox traverse through them gradually " - right? The same > would be true with the solstices as well, since with equinox the > solstices also move -right? I know that you will not disagree on the > fact that based on equinoxes and solstices seasons can be measured. > Now if I say - Seasons (represented by seasons or equinox) started > with Vasanta Ritu in Madhu Masa what will you interpret? > In the absence of any other poof regarding whether Madhu Masa is > sidereal solar or tropical solar, you may have two choices - > 1) Consider that " the starting point of Months change with the > movement of vernal equinox " (The erroneous argument in the case of > Nakshatras as mentioned earlier!) > 2) Consider that " The position of Equinox change but Moths remain > fixed " ! (The correct argument in the case of Nakshatras as exemplified > earlier!) > So what do you say - whether this Tapa, Tapasya, Madhu, Madhava etc > are sidereal solar or tropical solar? Similarly what about other > Vedic months? > > Qustion -2 > ======= > How will you identify that whether a month sequence given in Vedas > (as mentioned earlier there are more than 5 types of month name series > available) is Lunar or Solar (Sidereal solar and Tropical solar)? > I think the answer is simple - If Adhi masa (extra months) are used > then certainly the sequence is lunar in nature; and if no Adhi masa used > then certainly it is solar month. To identify whether a solar month that > was in use was sidereal solar or tropical solar what procedure or logic > you will follow? > > Your inputs and thoughts are valid. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote: > > > > Dear Harimallaji, > > > > Did I not say that the Uttarayana no longer occurs in Dhanistha now? > Even a schoolboy will understand that but you cannot. Uttarayana will go > on changing nakshatra and Rashi and we have to recognise that. Is that > Clear? Do whatever you like.for yourself. > > > > Sincerely > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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