Predictions and the Astrologer’s responsibility

April 26, 2009

Predictions and the Astrologer's responsibility

(Source: AIA Website: Predictions and the Astrologer's responsibility )

Last Updated on Sunday, 26 April 2009 06:26

Written by Vijayadas Pradeep, Madhu Nair, Sreenadh OG, Pandit Arjun, Panditji, Vernalagnia

Sunday, 26 April 2009 06:25

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In AIA Madhu ji predicted that VS Achutanandan will become

the chief minister of Kerala and also about the death of Pramod

Mahajan. Similarly Pandit Arjun ji predicted about Jayalalita which cam

true. The following is from the discussion that followed,

congratulating these two individuals for their successful predictions.

I am quoting this here neither to congradulate Madu Nair and Pandit

Arjun ji for their successful predictions, nor to provide the details

of the predictions, but to shed light on the useful knowledge that got

shared in the discussion that followed] Vijayadas Pradeep: Congrats

to Madhu ji for prediction regarding VS. Today Asianet has reported,

news confirming this, though the official announcement will only come

on Monday, after the State committee meeting. Congrats

to Pandit Arjun ji, for Jayalalitha related prediction. As you have

rightly said some astrologers, on other lists, are belittling

themselves, by giving predictions after exit polls. Madhu Nair: Many Thanks for your good wishes. Pandit Arjun: The

best part of AIA is that Sreenadh ji is willing to share as

much as he can from as much as he learnt freely to all willing seekers.

In other groups, some element of sycophancy and blind belief of

"because Mr. so and so said so" is visible. In this group constructive

criticism and disagreement to views and open discussion in a free but

respectable manner is observed which is very healthy for the progress

of this group. The entire Pramod Mahajan issue (discussed in various

) brought disrepute to astrology so much so that CNN-IBN

said this: "Mahajan left astrologers bewildered" Did

any one predict that Mahajan would be SHOT AT before he was shot by his

brother? NO! Once after the shooting took place, every one was betting

only on whether he survives or not i.e. as simple as heads or tails

50:50. Hence all fame hungry astrologers jumped to say "I READ HIS

CHARTI KNOW OR I HAVE THE REAL CHART OF PRAMOD" etc. My humble

submission to all of them is that when parliament of India and PTI

which is the highest body is showing a different date of birth, how can

they disbelieve the government. The drama further turned comic when

someone said 'AN ASTROLOGER WHO READ PRAMOD'S CHART GAVE ME THESE

DETAILS". So with each astrologer's changing hands, the birth date

(1948 or 1949) and the place (Hyderabad or Mahaboobnagar) kept changing

and so are Lagnas. In future, before such pubic predictions are made,

first a discussion shall take place to find out the authentic birth

details. Panditji: It

is not the first time this kind of thing has happened and won't be the

last. This is the reason astrology has very low credibility. There are

very few who actually do predictions. Once the election is close they

can read the opinion polls and give their astro-lingo reading. Most of

it is what Dasa is the native running or what planet is where in Rashi

and ofcourse myriads of divisions projected as divisional charts. The

conclusion is reached already by the poll casters. Like

in the presidential election, many well known astrologers predicted

victory for the current president, very close to election time. If

astrology is such a wonderful science, can we not predict change of

residence? That was the point I was harping on in the US elections. If

bush had lost the election, he would have moved back to Texas. Now why

do we need all the authentic horoscopes of all the challengers? Can we

not predict whether a person will change residence? If we can not,

there is a serious lack of understanding of basic principles or the

principles are not repeatable or both. Vijayadas Pradeep: Change of residence is a brilliant clue, and points towards application of common sense. Thanks a lot. Vernalagnia: I

second that. Commonsense can only be disregarded at the astrologer's

peril. If you look for possibilities of divorce in a chart, look first

for signs of marriage. Pandit Arjun: Agreeing

with your concluding remark, my understanding of "modern" astrology

(with hundreds of formatting styles and dasas) or prediction purely

based on a horoscope (which changes drastically with every Ayanamsa) is

just like a pathology. A patient goes to a hospital and the doctor

first asks him to do a CHECK-UP of various visible and invisible

parameters and several blood, urine, x-ray, scan and other reports are

generated. Based on these reports, the doctor gives an indication that

too based on a fixed theory that if the count is above or below xxx,

the patient is suffering from this or that. even though thousands of

private medical colleges collect more than a million rupees as donation

just for studying medicine and then these doctors are on the prowl to

recover their million by earning crores, whenever a patient is

operated, the doctor asks the patient to sign a declaration that if the

operation fails and the patient dies, there is no fault of the doctor.

Every day even in the best hospitals like Apollo, several people keep

dying. Whenever

predictions fail, most of the modern astrologers take refuge in karmic

theory that too of different karmas like acquired, earned and so on. if

these astrologers attribute the suffering or happiness of a native to

karmic theory, he or astrology has no role, for the karma theory works

on its own laws of karma. In such cases, an astrologer shall admit

while making the prediction itself that this is what the chart says

based on the details furnished by the native and not "I PREDICT". When

a pathological report comes, it is the report which says and not the

pathologist. By trying to own responsibility, answerability,

accountability and tall claim for getting name and fame, astrologers

often use the words "I PREDICTED" or "I SAID SO". It

is high time astrologers stop making tall claims and stop taking credit

for their predictions so that if their predictions fail even once,

people brand him a failure and he spoils his own reputation with his

own hands. Truly the golden saying come true "YOUR FUTURE IS IN YOUR

OWN HANDS". Sreenadh: I really agree with your views - and appreciate the sincerity involved. Panditji said: Quote Can

we not predict whether a person will change residence? If we can not,

there is a serious lack of understanding of basic principles or the

principles are not repeatable or both. Unquote I think he is hinting at need of 'objective verification' of the basic methods. Sreenadh: I don't know which of these messages to appreciate more! - I feel like reading them again and again. Quote Now

why do we need all the authentic horoscopes of all the challengers? Can

we not predict whether a person will change residence? If we can not,

there is a serious lack of understanding of basic principles or the

principles are not repeatable or both. Unquote Dear

Panditji, I think it is the "serious lack of understanding of basic

principles". If we are not sure about the basics how can we proceed

further - that is why a serious look back into the basics is a

necessity. Only the restructuring of the whole of astrology, based on

the views of the Rishis itself, is need of the moment, I think. May be

only that can save astrology from its current crisis. It is in this

direction we should work - I feel. Quote Agreeing