Marma-Tantra (Kundalini)-Martial art and Astrology

April 25, 2009

Dear Sunil ji, Ha...Ha... Thanks for the "awe and shock" (what a translation for the word "Marma chikitsa'!) comment. :=) Any comment on how - Marma and astrology is related? Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> dear sreenadh ji> > it is ur hard work and effort and persuation which made possible for> me to write this kind of article s> > but still i am worried abt u ."awe and shock " method ( marma> technic-attacking nervous system by pointing/pressing a finger on> certain points used by kerala martial artists ) u may hav to face frm> ur young sweet wife for devoting full time into unromantic astrological> writing> > so all i can advise u is take maximum care []> > rgrds sunil nair> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Thanks for the knowledge shared.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >>

April 25, 2009

dear srinath ji

It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body which yogies uses ) yoga .

There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts under its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav seen vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that it is 108 is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It says he initiated keralites the Northern system of martial art )

so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is 27 nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108

so according to movemnt of moon tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a proof of astrology ???) we can calculate where to attack a person and it says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras ) including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a person who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has gone tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra mentioned in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or blood pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen some one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person and i heard it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the person exactly after the specified numbr of days of the attack

Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18 technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt levels and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics are taught .

but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has some physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the kerala ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont know how to attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt dvlped as war medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is based on marma points ( as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected and which is still cannot b treated by modern medicine )

i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who was in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while he practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach madras and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he cannot mov his body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the fall was head on ) and i personaly know one physician he by one simple technic cured it after all modern treatmnts failed and they even said he will b a vegetable for rest of the life and later Mr karthikeyan with his resources and conct helped this old physician to strt own ayurvedic medical college ( including permission and paper work and even helped in mobiling finace tru various ppl ) in Tamil nadu .This old physicians families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they migrated to chennai during this person's life time .

other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads (folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes .

rgrds sunil nair

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> Ha...Ha... Thanks for the "awe and shock" (what a translation for> the word "Marma chikitsa'!) comment. :=)> Any comment on how - Marma and astrology is related? > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > dear sreenadh ji> >> > it is ur hard work and effort and persuation which made possible for> > me to write this kind of article s> >> > but still i am worried abt u ."awe and shock " method ( marma> > technic-attacking nervous system by pointing/pressing a finger on> > certain points used by kerala martial artists ) u may hav to face> frm> > ur young sweet wife for devoting full time into unromantic> astrological> > writing> >> > so all i can advise u is take maximum care []> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > Thanks for the knowledge shared.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> >>

April 26, 2009

Dear Sunil ji, Beautiful! Thanks again for the knowledge shared. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > dear srinath ji> > It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate> article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body> which yogies uses ) yoga .> > There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power> house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts under> its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas> then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b> father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in> adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav seen> vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that it is 108> is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It says he> initiated keralites the Northern system of martial art )> > so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is 27> nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108> > so according to movemnt of moon tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a> proof of astrology ???) we can calculate where to attack a person and it> says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras ) > including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or> trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru> sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b> passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a person> who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has gone> tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra mentioned> in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or blood> pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the> result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen some> one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person and i> heard it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the person> exactly after the specified numbr of days of the attack> > Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical> training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18> technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons> including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough> maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt levels> and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics are taught> .> > > > but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has some> physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the kerala> ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont know how to> attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt dvlped> as war medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is based> on marma points ( as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected and> which is still cannot b treated by modern medicine )> > i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who was> in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while he> practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach madras> and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he cannot mov> his body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the fall was head> on ) and i personaly know one physician he by one simple technic cured> it after all modern treatmnts failed and they even said he will b a> vegetable for rest of the life and later Mr karthikeyan with his> resources and conct helped this old physician to strt own ayurvedic> medical college ( including permission and paper work and even helped in> mobiling finace tru various ppl ) in Tamil nadu .This old physicians> families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they> migrated to chennai during this person's life time .> > other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads> (folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and> south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes .> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Ha...Ha... Thanks for the "awe and shock" (what a translation for> > the word "Marma chikitsa'!) comment. :=)> > Any comment on how - Marma and astrology is related? > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > dear sreenadh ji> > >> > > it is ur hard work and effort and persuation which made possible for> > > me to write this kind of article s> > >> > > but still i am worried abt u ."awe and shock " method ( marma> > > technic-attacking nervous system by pointing/pressing a finger on> > > certain points used by kerala martial artists ) u may hav to face> > frm> > > ur young sweet wife for devoting full time into unromantic> > astrological> > > writing> > >> > > so all i can advise u is take maximum care []> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > Thanks for the knowledge shared.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >>

April 26, 2009

Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,

Thanks for the nice and educative post.. Just a Funny thought..

I guess BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the

MalayaLee!!!:-) (Humor intented)

Regards

Chandu2Chill

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

dear srinath ji

It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate

article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body

hich yogies uses )yoga.

There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power

house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts under

its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas

then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b

father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in

adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav

seen vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that it is 108 is

the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It says he initiated

keralites the Northern system of martial art )

so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is

27 nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108 so according to movemnt of moon

tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a proof of astrology ???) we can calculate

where to attack a person and

it says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras )

including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or

trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru

sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b

passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a person

who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has gone

tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra mentioned

in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or blood

pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the

result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen

some one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person and i heard

it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the person exactly after the

specified numbr of days of the attack

Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical

training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18

technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons

including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough

maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt

levels and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics are taught.

but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has

some physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the

kerala ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont know how to

attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt dvlped as war

medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is based on marma points

( as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected and which is still cannot b

treated by modern medicine )

i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who

was in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while he

practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach

madras and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he cannot mov his

body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the fall was head on ) and i

personaly know one physician he by one simple technic cured it after all modern

treatmnts failed and they even said he will b a vegetable for rest of the life

and later Mr karthikeyan with his resources and conct helped this old physician

to strt own ayurvedic medical college ( including permission and paper work and

even helped in mobiling finace tru various ppl)in Tamil nadu .This old

physicians families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they

migrated to chennai during this person's life time.

other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads

(folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and

south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes .

rgrds sunil nair

April 26, 2009

Dear Chandu ji, //BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the MalayaLee!// Humar intended but truth involved if we look at it from a historical perspective! :=) How? 1) Buddhist monks came to Kerala and learned this form of martial art (i.e. Kalari) from Kerala.2) The well learned Bodhisatwas while in China (for the purpose of propagating Buddhism), modified this fighting system and taught it to the Chineese Buddhist monks - thus originated the systme of Karate and Kungfu.3) Marial tribes in Chaina and Jappan improved, and modified this system a lot and introduced new methods to it - to make it unique. 4) Bruce-lee was a master Kungfu fighter artist. Now we consider Kalari, Karate, Kungfu etc as seperate and uniqe martial arts with their own marits - but they all originated from the same source, the Indian roots, and got propogated by the Buddhists to other lands. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> > Thanks for the nice and educative post.. Just a Funny thought.. > > I guess BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the MalayaLee!!!:-) (Humor intented)> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > > , "sunil nair"> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > dear srinath ji> > It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate> article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body> hich yogies uses )yoga.> > There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power> house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts under> its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas> then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b> father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in> adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav> seen vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that it is 108 is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It says he initiated keralites the Northern system of martial art )> > so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is> 27 nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108 so according to movemnt of moon tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a proof of astrology ???) we can calculate where to attack a person and> it says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras )> including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or> trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru> sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b> passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a person> who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has gone> tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra mentioned> in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or blood> pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the> result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen> some one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person and i heard it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the person exactly after the specified numbr of days of the attack> > Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical> training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18> technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons> including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough> maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt> levels and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics are taught.> but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has> some physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the> kerala ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont know how to attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt dvlped as war medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is based on marma points ( as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected and which is still cannot b treated by modern medicine )> > i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who> was in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while he> practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach> madras and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he cannot mov his body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the fall was head on ) and i personaly know one physician he by one simple technic cured it after all modern treatmnts failed and they even said he will b a vegetable for rest of the life and later Mr karthikeyan with his resources and conct helped this old physician to strt own ayurvedic medical college ( including permission and paper work and even helped in mobiling finace tru various ppl)in Tamil nadu .This old physicians families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they migrated to chennai during this person's life time.> > other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads> (folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and> south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes .> > rgrds sunil nair>

April 26, 2009

Dear Sunilji and All,

This article is an example of how the ancient knowledge can still be used to

propogate general well being and public health.

This vast knowledge from our ancestors is in the danger of being lost and

discredited - as in the case of some " famous " quacks using dubious allopathy

medicine to treat people under guise of ayurveda.

One way of perpetuating this gnyan is to give adequate publicity to it - and

that too in pulic fora , lest somebody try to make it exclusive or patent it -

and spread it wide enough so that some soul may rekindle it again in the public

conscious.

I see this article as the phyiscal aspect of the Chakras thread that was started

a short time ago and Bhaskarji had explained in brief the moola chakra . We may

be able to compile a interesting database.... for benefit of this ancient

gnyan... if this thread is continued

It has deep ramifications in an over populated country/ world where public

infrastructure is breaking down.

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta

--- On Sun, 26/4/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog

Re: Marma-Tantra (Kundalini)-Martial art and

Astrology

Sunday, 26 April, 2009, 7:16 PM

Dear Chandu ji,

//BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the MalayaLee!//

Humar intended but truth involved if we look at it from a historical

perspective! :=) How?

1) Buddhist monks came to Kerala and learned this form of martial art (i.e.

Kalari) from Kerala.

2) The well learned Bodhisatwas while in China (for the purpose of propagating

Buddhism), modified this fighting system and taught it to the Chineese Buddhist

monks - thus originated the systme of Karate and Kungfu.

3) Marial tribes in Chaina and Jappan improved, and modified this system a lot

and introduced new methods to it - to make it unique.

4) Bruce-lee was a master Kungfu fighter artist.

Now we consider Kalari, Karate, Kungfu etc as seperate and uniqe martial arts

with their own marits - but they all originated from the same source, the Indian

roots, and got propogated by the Buddhists to other lands.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Chandu2chill "

<nanna_id2006@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,

>

> Thanks for the nice and educative post.. Just a Funny thought..

>

> I guess BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the

MalayaLee!!! :-) (Humor intented)

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

>

> dear srinath ji

>

> It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate

> article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body

> hich yogies uses )yoga.

>

> There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power

> house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts under

> its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas

> then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b

> father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in

> adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav

> seen vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that it is 108

is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It says he initiated

keralites the Northern system of martial art )

>

> so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is

> 27 nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108 so according to movemnt of moon

tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a proof of astrology ???) we can calculate

where to attack a person and

> it says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras )

> including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or

> trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru

> sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b

> passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a person

> who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has gone

> tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra mentioned

> in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or blood

> pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the

> result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen

> some one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person and i

heard it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the person exactly

after the specified numbr of days of the attack

>

> Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical

> training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18

> technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons

> including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough

> maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt

> levels and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics are

taught.

> but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has

> some physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the

> kerala ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont know how to

attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt dvlped as war

medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is based on marma points (

as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected and which is still cannot b

treated by modern medicine )

>

> i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who

> was in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while he

> practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach

> madras and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he cannot mov

his body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the fall was head on ) and

i personaly know one physician he by one simple technic cured it after all

modern treatmnts failed and they even said he will b a vegetable for rest of the

life and later Mr karthikeyan with his resources and conct helped this old

physician to strt own ayurvedic medical college ( including permission and paper

work and even helped in mobiling finace tru various ppl)in Tamil nadu .This old

physicians families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they

migrated to chennai during this person's life time.

>

> other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads

> (folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and

> south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes .

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

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April 26, 2009

dear chandu ji

Thanks for ur good words and subsequent thought provoking question.

even this was discussed prvtly with smt.renuka ji who is a memebr of this grp who is a teacher budhist monks in srilanka .( sorry not martial arts )

Bodhidarma a keralite budhist monk ( there is some variations to this story as some says he is frm Tanjavore and a brahmin which is highly unlikely ) who was an adept in this world most oldest ancient and comprehensiv martial art travelled to china for spreading Budhism and all who know a bit of history this might hav happened during King Ashoka period ( he sent his own daughter and son as missionaries to many countries esp to srilanka and bodhi tree is supposed to plant by them and more abt it i expect renu ji will giv explanation ).And he was supposed to teach and train monks in famous shaolin temple .he find this monk s r weak and listless and he teach them 18 hands of budha ( which is 18 adavu or technics of kerala martial art later devlped as 36 chamber of shaolin ( there is also a movie in that name ) later known as shaolin boxing or Kungfu .Then this technics spread to other budhists countries and in Japan it devlped as Okinawan karatte ,in Korea i blv it is named as taikendo and in tailand as Tai kick boxing ,also some other forms also devlped in other countries like kubudo ,judo etc ( all r giving just one aspect in kalari for exmple the locks and throw technics in kalari is devlped as judo ,vital point attacks devlped as kungfu and bare hand methods ( known as verum kai ) devlped as karatte -u shud see that all countries who ever accepted or further devlped all this martial arts r budhist countries and in srilanka there was one martial art form but gone obsellete after portughese occupation ,but it was alive in some southern parts of kerala ( still may b ,i dont know ) as chingala adi ( sinhala martial arts or fighting methods ) ,history says kerala and her warring tribes has gr8 connection with srilanka historicaly ,Most of the srilankan prince's married kerala royal or warrier woman and some military class known as Thiyyas ( an twisted form of dwipar means those who came frm Island called srilanka or connected to srilanka ) or chekavar was part of sucicide army ( chaver pada ) means if some one goes for a military attack they will die there in war than come back defeated or without victory .

hope i giv answer for ur question ( tho it was a humor ) and there is many many evidences historicaly for the proof of this .

but let me stop here

rgrds sunil nair

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Chandu ji,> //BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the> MalayaLee!//> > Humar intended but truth involved if we look at it from a historical> perspective! :=) How?> > 1) Buddhist monks came to Kerala and learned this form of martial art> (i.e. Kalari) from Kerala.> 2) The well learned Bodhisatwas while in China (for the purpose of> propagating Buddhism), modified this fighting system and taught it to> the Chineese Buddhist monks - thus originated the systme of Karate and> Kungfu.> 3) Marial tribes in Chaina and Jappan improved, and modified this system> a lot and introduced new methods to it - to make it unique.> 4) Bruce-lee was a master Kungfu fighter artist.> > Now we consider Kalari, Karate, Kungfu etc as seperate and uniqe> martial arts with their own marits - but they all originated from the> same source, the Indian roots, and got propogated by the Buddhists to> other lands. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Chandu2chill"> nanna_id2006@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> >> > Thanks for the nice and educative post.. Just a Funny thought..> >> > I guess BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of> the MalayaLee!!!:-) (Humor intented)> >> > Regards> >> > Chandu2Chill> >> >> > , "sunil nair"> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> >> > dear srinath ji> >> > It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate> > article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body> > hich yogies uses )yoga.> >> > There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power> > house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts under> > its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas> > then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b> > father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in> > adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav> > seen vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that it> is 108 is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It> says he initiated keralites the Northern system of martial art )> >> > so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is> > 27 nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108 so according to movemnt> of moon tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a proof of astrology ???)> we can calculate where to attack a person and> > it says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras )> > including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or> > trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru> > sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b> > passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a person> > who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has gone> > tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra mentioned> > in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or blood> > pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the> > result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen> > some one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person> and i heard it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the> person exactly after the specified numbr of days of the attack> >> > Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical> > training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18> > technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons> > including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough> > maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt> > levels and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics> are taught.> > but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has> > some physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the> > kerala ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont know> how to attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt> dvlped as war medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is> based on marma points ( as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected> and which is still cannot b treated by modern medicine )> >> > i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who> > was in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while he> > practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach> > madras and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he> cannot mov his body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the fall> was head on ) and i personaly know one physician he by one simple> technic cured it after all modern treatmnts failed and they even said he> will b a vegetable for rest of the life and later Mr karthikeyan with> his resources and conct helped this old physician to strt own ayurvedic> medical college ( including permission and paper work and even helped in> mobiling finace tru various ppl)in Tamil nadu .This old physicians> families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they> migrated to chennai during this person's life time.> >> > other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads> > (folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and> > south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes .> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >>

April 26, 2009

Dear chiranjiv mehta ji

sure it is a good suggestion .

I blv the public mindset shud change also govtmnt shud change some policies ,i think still any funding is not available for protecting ancient knowledge ,even the so called ayurveda colleges or sanskrit universities are functioning like some govtmnt organisation and they neglect who ever learned in family ,parampara or classical gurukula way ,i am sure still none of them is match for those who trained in orthox style of learning still the degrees and printed certificate make them blv knower of all ( actualy after + 2 many opt for ayurveda when they fail to get admission in medical college or same is true with many sanskrit university scholar who lacks real serious intentions as many r missed their path and reached there )

after india 's independence and nehruvian policies ( he was secretly consulting astrologers and publicly saying astrology is fake and astrologers r frauds , still the same double standard is ruling indian politics ) and subsequent economic devlpmnt of so called old british serving classes ( as indian allowed old british civil service to continue ) the ancient knowldge and scholar are neglected and the erosion is what all Muslim invasions or britishers cud not do this much in last millinniuam ,and abolition of king doms and zaminadary system has added fuel for this destruction ,

i know many ppl and places where lot of old books are lying idle and the keepers and the family is in deep poverty and they r selling this books to who ever may come with any money ( i know many cases books retrieved by airport authorities and filed cases which is meant for senting to europe or america ) .even next generation is not at all ready to learn and even they hate and curse themselves being born in such families ,rather they lov to born in some money lenders and /political burocrate/business families who has ample chance of making money tru all illegal means and liv a happy life

so unless this set up and ppl mindset ( they want all free ) changes this will b destroyed completely

i agree knowledge shud b tested b4 adopting and many r willing to show its efficacy too .i know personaly many of this ppl even has many many technics or medicines or even technology but no one wants it ( even there is no recognition too ) ,even any news papers or even media is not worried abt it .tho at times some media covers it

where as the critics know everything ( their repeated attempts of continuace misquoting u r already seeing in this very grp itself ) and that is why they r even against testing and they think by making more noice or spreading more lies ( as most of the new generation is already away frm his roots due to machalayisation of indian education system and even trained to think english speak english or sleep english )

rgrds sunil nair

the critic s are coming in diffrnt shades --some one is dharma pravarthaka ,some one is atheist ,some one is against spreading false blfs ,some one is in the name of scientific quest and some ppl as communists and some are against all frauds and u can see they share a common brother hood and pampering /supporting each other and will never attack and even will support each other ( all are diffrnt guices for common agenda and how they r grping each other and attacking one person jointly even without a civility or decency ??) and who is paying for their daily expenses who writes 100s mails in 100s of grps and working 24 hrs

, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:>> Dear Sunilji and All,> > This article is an example of how the ancient knowledge can still be used to propogate general well being and public health.> This vast knowledge from our ancestors is in the danger of being lost and discredited - as in the case of some "famous" quacks using dubious allopathy medicine to treat people under guise of ayurveda.> One way of perpetuating this gnyan is to give adequate publicity to it - and that too in pulic fora , lest somebody try to make it exclusive or patent it - and spread it wide enough so that some soul may rekindle it again in the public conscious.> I see this article as the phyiscal aspect of the Chakras thread that was started a short time ago and Bhaskarji had explained in brief the moola chakra . We may be able to compile a interesting database.... for benefit of this ancient gnyan... if this thread is continued> It has deep ramifications in an over populated country/ world where public infrastructure is breaking down.> > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Sun, 26/4/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Sreenadh sreesog Re: Marma-Tantra (Kundalini)-Martial art and Astrology> > Sunday, 26 April, 2009, 7:16 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,> //BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the MalayaLee!//> > Humar intended but truth involved if we look at it from a historical perspective! :=) How?> > 1) Buddhist monks came to Kerala and learned this form of martial art (i.e. Kalari) from Kerala.> 2) The well learned Bodhisatwas while in China (for the purpose of propagating Buddhism), modified this fighting system and taught it to the Chineese Buddhist monks - thus originated the systme of Karate and Kungfu.> 3) Marial tribes in Chaina and Jappan improved, and modified this system a lot and introduced new methods to it - to make it unique.> 4) Bruce-lee was a master Kungfu fighter artist. > > Now we consider Kalari, Karate, Kungfu etc as seperate and uniqe martial arts with their own marits - but they all originated from the same source, the Indian roots, and got propogated by the Buddhists to other lands. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> >> > Thanks for the nice and educative post.. Just a Funny thought..> >> > I guess BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the MalayaLee!!! :-) (Humor intented)> >> > Regards> >> > Chandu2Chill> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> >> > dear srinath ji> >> > It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate> > article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body> > hich yogies uses )yoga.> >> > There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power> > house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts under> > its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas> > then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b> > father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in> > adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav> > seen vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that it is 108 is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It says he initiated keralites the Northern system of martial art )> >> > so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is> > 27 nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108 so according to movemnt of moon tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a proof of astrology ???) we can calculate where to attack a person and> > it says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras )> > including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or> > trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru> > sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b> > passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a person> > who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has gone> > tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra mentioned> > in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or blood> > pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the> > result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen> > some one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person and i heard it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the person exactly after the specified numbr of days of the attack> >> > Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical> > training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18> > technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons> > including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough> > maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt> > levels and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics are taught.> > but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has> > some physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the> > kerala ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont know how to attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt dvlped as war medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is based on marma points ( as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected and which is still cannot b treated by modern medicine )> >> > i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who> > was in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while he> > practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach> > madras and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he cannot mov his body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the fall was head on ) and i personaly know one physician he by one simple technic cured it after all modern treatmnts failed and they even said he will b a vegetable for rest of the life and later Mr karthikeyan with his resources and conct helped this old physician to strt own ayurvedic medical college ( including permission and paper work and even helped in mobiling finace tru various ppl)in Tamil nadu .This old physicians families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they migrated to chennai during this person's life time.> >> > other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads> > (folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and> > south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes .> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox>

April 27, 2009

Dear Nairji,

Instead of these books , manuscripts been taken away by/for some art collector's collection, it would be better off stored in some Musuem, maybe to be revived later on

for posterity.

I suggest we start an e-mail campaign and then get willing contributors togather to file a PIL in supreme court. This should be with the help of some legal luminaries.

To get things done - to attaract the entire society, maximum number of regions, cultures

races should be co-opted. The mass ( majority ) is what is right in Indian democracy.

Please start quickly without much ado - Sreenadji & other moderators - and get some friends of the press involved.

Thanks & RegardsChiranjiv Mehta

April 27, 2009

Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji and Sreenadh Ji,

I came to know about this Kerala Martial Art long back it was broadcasted in

DoorDarshan's famous Program *SURABHI* i just re-called when i first read Shri

Sunil Ji's post... They (Anchors) Renuka Sahane and Siddharth also talked about

this Art being exported but not in great details as you both have explained

here!...

Thank you once again for your knowledge sharing

Regards

Chandu2Chill

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear chandu ji

>

> Thanks for ur good words and subsequent thought provoking question.

>

> even this was discussed prvtly with smt.renuka ji who is a memebr of

> this grp who is a teacher budhist monks in srilanka .( sorry not martial

> arts [] )

>

> Bodhidarma a keralite budhist monk ( there is some variations to this

> story as some says he is frm Tanjavore and a brahmin which is highly

> unlikely ) who was an adept in this world most oldest ancient and

> comprehensiv martial art travelled to china for spreading Budhism and

> all who know a bit of history this might hav happened during King Ashoka

> period ( he sent his own daughter and son as missionaries to many

> countries esp to srilanka and bodhi tree is supposed to plant by them

> and more abt it i expect renu ji will giv explanation ).And he was

> supposed to teach and train monks in famous shaolin temple .he find this

> monk s r weak and listless and he teach them 18 hands of budha ( which

> is 18 adavu or technics of kerala martial art later devlped as 36

> chamber of shaolin ( there is also a movie in that name ) later known as

> shaolin boxing or Kungfu .Then this technics spread to other budhists

> countries and in Japan it devlped as Okinawan karatte ,in Korea i blv it

> is named as taikendo and in tailand as Tai kick boxing ,also some other

> forms also devlped in other countries like kubudo ,judo etc ( all r

> giving just one aspect in kalari for exmple the locks and throw

> technics in kalari is devlped as judo ,vital point attacks devlped as

> kungfu and bare hand methods ( known as verum kai ) devlped as karatte

> -u shud see that all countries who ever accepted or further devlped all

> this martial arts r budhist countries and in srilanka there was one

> martial art form but gone obsellete after portughese occupation ,but it

> was alive in some southern parts of kerala ( still may b ,i dont know )

> as chingala adi ( sinhala martial arts or fighting methods ) ,history

> says kerala and her warring tribes has gr8 connection with srilanka

> historicaly ,Most of the srilankan prince's married kerala royal or

> warrier woman and some military class known as Thiyyas ( an twisted form

> of dwipar means those who came frm Island called srilanka or connected

> to srilanka ) or chekavar was part of sucicide army ( chaver pada )

> means if some one goes for a military attack they will die there in war

> than come back defeated or without victory .

>

> hope i giv answer for ur question ( tho it was a humor ) and there is

> many many evidences historicaly for the proof of this .

>

> but let me stop here

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> > //BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the

> > MalayaLee!//

> >

> > Humar intended but truth involved if we look at it from a historical

> > perspective! :=) How?

> >

> > 1) Buddhist monks came to Kerala and learned this form of martial art

> > (i.e. Kalari) from Kerala.

> > 2) The well learned Bodhisatwas while in China (for the purpose of

> > propagating Buddhism), modified this fighting system and taught it to

> > the Chineese Buddhist monks - thus originated the systme of Karate and

> > Kungfu.

> > 3) Marial tribes in Chaina and Jappan improved, and modified this

> system

> > a lot and introduced new methods to it - to make it unique.

> > 4) Bruce-lee was a master Kungfu fighter artist.

> >

> > Now we consider Kalari, Karate, Kungfu etc as seperate and uniqe

> > martial arts with their own marits - but they all originated from the

> > same source, the Indian roots, and got propogated by the Buddhists to

> > other lands.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Chandu2chill "

> > nanna_id2006@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the nice and educative post.. Just a Funny thought..

> > >

> > > I guess BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one

> of

> > the MalayaLee!!!:-) (Humor intented)

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Chandu2Chill

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear srinath ji

> > >

> > > It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate

> > > article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body

> > > hich yogies uses )yoga.

> > >

> > > There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power

> > > house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts

> under

> > > its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas

> > > then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b

> > > father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in

> > > adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav

> > > seen vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that

> it

> > is 108 is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It

> > says he initiated keralites the Northern system of martial art )

> > >

> > > so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is

> > > 27 nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108 so according to

> movemnt

> > of moon tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a proof of astrology ???)

> > we can calculate where to attack a person and

> > > it says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras )

> > > including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or

> > > trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru

> > > sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b

> > > passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a

> person

> > > who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has

> gone

> > > tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra

> mentioned

> > > in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or

> blood

> > > pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the

> > > result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen

> > > some one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person

> > and i heard it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the

> > person exactly after the specified numbr of days of the attack

> > >

> > > Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical

> > > training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18

> > > technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons

> > > including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough

> > > maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt

> > > levels and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics

> > are taught.

> > > but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has

> > > some physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the

> > > kerala ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont

> know

> > how to attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt

> > dvlped as war medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is

> > based on marma points ( as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected

> > and which is still cannot b treated by modern medicine )

> > >

> > > i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who

> > > was in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while

> he

> > > practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach

> > > madras and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he

> > cannot mov his body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the

> fall

> > was head on ) and i personaly know one physician he by one simple

> > technic cured it after all modern treatmnts failed and they even said

> he

> > will b a vegetable for rest of the life and later Mr karthikeyan with

> > his resources and conct helped this old physician to strt own

> ayurvedic

> > medical college ( including permission and paper work and even helped

> in

> > mobiling finace tru various ppl)in Tamil nadu .This old physicians

> > families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they

> > migrated to chennai during this person's life time.

> > >

> > > other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads

> > > (folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and

> > > south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes

> .

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> >

>

April 27, 2009

dear chandu ji

sure ,Even i find once a B B C programme too .

ur funny remark (bruce Lee and malaya lee ) has able to giv us some un noticed or neglected part of history which never part of main stream history ( now a days history becomes His story means story of the winners ) and never taught even in schools

thanks for giving us a chance to giv lite to this aspect of indian history

rgrds sunil nair

, "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji and Sreenadh Ji,> > I came to know about this Kerala Martial Art long back it was broadcasted in DoorDarshan's famous Program *SURABHI* i just re-called when i first read Shri Sunil Ji's post... They (Anchors) Renuka Sahane and Siddharth also talked about this Art being exported but not in great details as you both have explained here!...> > Thank you once again for your knowledge sharing> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear chandu ji> > > > Thanks for ur good words and subsequent thought provoking question.> > > > even this was discussed prvtly with smt.renuka ji who is a memebr of> > this grp who is a teacher budhist monks in srilanka .( sorry not martial> > arts [] )> > > > Bodhidarma a keralite budhist monk ( there is some variations to this> > story as some says he is frm Tanjavore and a brahmin which is highly> > unlikely ) who was an adept in this world most oldest ancient and> > comprehensiv martial art travelled to china for spreading Budhism and> > all who know a bit of history this might hav happened during King Ashoka> > period ( he sent his own daughter and son as missionaries to many> > countries esp to srilanka and bodhi tree is supposed to plant by them> > and more abt it i expect renu ji will giv explanation ).And he was> > supposed to teach and train monks in famous shaolin temple .he find this> > monk s r weak and listless and he teach them 18 hands of budha ( which> > is 18 adavu or technics of kerala martial art later devlped as 36> > chamber of shaolin ( there is also a movie in that name ) later known as> > shaolin boxing or Kungfu .Then this technics spread to other budhists> > countries and in Japan it devlped as Okinawan karatte ,in Korea i blv it> > is named as taikendo and in tailand as Tai kick boxing ,also some other> > forms also devlped in other countries like kubudo ,judo etc ( all r> > giving just one aspect in kalari for exmple the locks and throw> > technics in kalari is devlped as judo ,vital point attacks devlped as> > kungfu and bare hand methods ( known as verum kai ) devlped as karatte> > -u shud see that all countries who ever accepted or further devlped all> > this martial arts r budhist countries and in srilanka there was one> > martial art form but gone obsellete after portughese occupation ,but it> > was alive in some southern parts of kerala ( still may b ,i dont know )> > as chingala adi ( sinhala martial arts or fighting methods ) ,history> > says kerala and her warring tribes has gr8 connection with srilanka> > historicaly ,Most of the srilankan prince's married kerala royal or> > warrier woman and some military class known as Thiyyas ( an twisted form> > of dwipar means those who came frm Island called srilanka or connected> > to srilanka ) or chekavar was part of sucicide army ( chaver pada )> > means if some one goes for a military attack they will die there in war> > than come back defeated or without victory .> > > > > > > > hope i giv answer for ur question ( tho it was a humor ) and there is> > many many evidences historicaly for the proof of this .> > > > but let me stop here> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandu ji,> > > //BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one of the> > > MalayaLee!//> > >> > > Humar intended but truth involved if we look at it from a historical> > > perspective! :=) How?> > >> > > 1) Buddhist monks came to Kerala and learned this form of martial art> > > (i.e. Kalari) from Kerala.> > > 2) The well learned Bodhisatwas while in China (for the purpose of> > > propagating Buddhism), modified this fighting system and taught it to> > > the Chineese Buddhist monks - thus originated the systme of Karate and> > > Kungfu.> > > 3) Marial tribes in Chaina and Jappan improved, and modified this> > system> > > a lot and introduced new methods to it - to make it unique.> > > 4) Bruce-lee was a master Kungfu fighter artist.> > >> > > Now we consider Kalari, Karate, Kungfu etc as seperate and uniqe> > > martial arts with their own marits - but they all originated from the> > > same source, the Indian roots, and got propogated by the Buddhists to> > > other lands. > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for the nice and educative post.. Just a Funny thought..> > > >> > > > I guess BruceLee might have learnt this great martial art from one> > of> > > the MalayaLee!!!:-) (Humor intented)> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Chandu2Chill> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear srinath ji> > > >> > > > It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate> > > > article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body> > > > hich yogies uses )yoga.> > > >> > > > There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power> > > > house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts> > under> > > > its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas> > > > then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b> > > > father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in> > > > adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav> > > > seen vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that> > it> > > is 108 is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It> > > says he initiated keralites the Northern system of martial art )> > > >> > > > so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is> > > > 27 nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108 so according to> > movemnt> > > of moon tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a proof of astrology ???)> > > we can calculate where to attack a person and> > > > it says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras )> > > > including hridaya marma which is near heart chakra ( by pointing or> > > > trusting a finger ( simple pointing is enough for those who gone tru> > > > sadhana and has mental power ( i mean a sort of elecricity will b> > > > passsed on to the aimed area ,but such secrets will b givn to a> > person> > > > who is said to hav all kind of satwik qualities --it says he has> > gone> > > > tru dharma putra vijayam ( means he become like dharma putra> > mentioned> > > > in MBH ) a spl area near heart chakra we can stop the breath or> > blood> > > > pumping in a person ) ,some marmas works ( i mean after attack the> > > > result can b seen ) after a purticulr numbr of days and i hav seen> > > > some one said to me a person employd a 90 days technic on one person> > > and i heard it was the reason for sudden paralysis happened to the> > > person exactly after the specified numbr of days of the attack> > > >> > > > Gurus will teach these technics only after completing full physical> > > > training education in attacking or protecting technics called 18> > > > technics of kalary payattu ( frm bare hands to many many weapons> > > > including sword s ) and once they blv the student has got enough> > > > maturity then they teach the knowledge of this marmas on diffrnt> > > > levels and after the dharma putra vijayam only the pointing technics> > > are taught.> > > > but this knowledge is important when ever we treat a person who has> > > > some physical injury tru accidents or some attacks ( so most of the> > > > kerala ayurvedic physicians has this knowledge tho most them dont> > know> > > how to attack a person with this knowldge .Even there is some treatmnt> > > dvlped as war medicine during the medival centuries in kerala which is> > > based on marma points ( as in fighting mainly this areas gets affected> > > and which is still cannot b treated by modern medicine )> > > >> > > > i rembr one case of police cheif i think his name is karthikeyan who> > > > was in -charge of rajiv gandhi murder case investigation and while> > he> > > > practising Horse riding he fell frm horse back in marina beach> > > > madras and he was admitted to hospital with stiff body ( means he> > > cannot mov his body smoothly all body part become immobile ( as the> > fall> > > was head on ) and i personaly know one physician he by one simple> > > technic cured it after all modern treatmnts failed and they even said> > he> > > will b a vegetable for rest of the life and later Mr karthikeyan with> > > his resources and conct helped this old physician to strt own> > ayurvedic> > > medical college ( including permission and paper work and even helped> > in> > > mobiling finace tru various ppl)in Tamil nadu .This old physicians> > > families were raja vaidyas of kerala -travancore kings and later they> > > migrated to chennai during this person's life time.> > > >> > > > other wise astrological reference u can see lot of them in ballads> > > > (folk songs in praise of certain hero warriers ) of north kerala and> > > > south kerala may b i will gather all and publish it when time ripes> > .> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > >> >>

April 28, 2009

Dear Sunil ji,

Very interesting...thanks for such nice educative posts.

blessings,

Renu

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear srinath ji

>

> It says the 7 tara grahas rules 7 chakras (i will write seperate

> article on it ) it is part of kundlaini ( the serpent power in body

> which yogies uses ) yoga .

>

> There is 108 main marmas( nervous knots where it act like a power

> house or transformer it givs enough nourishmnt to all body parts under

> its jurisdiction and it says the prana vayu is pssed tru this areas

> then to chakras ) according to rishi agastrya ( who is supposed to b

> father of southern system of martial art in kerala also prevalent in

> adjscent places of kerala called Tamilnadu boarder ) and Tho i hav seen

> vasishta says abt 164 or some marma points he also agrees that it is 108

> is the main ones ( same is the opinion of Lord parasu rama -It says he

> initiated keralites the Northern system of martial art )

>

> so what i can gather frm acharyas it is nakshtra based . as there is 27

> nakshtras and 4 pada s ,so 27 x 4 givs 108

>

> so according to movemnt of moon tru nakshatra padas ( is this is not a

> proof of astrology ???) we can calculate where to attack a person and it

> says out of this 108 marmas 7 marmas are ( it is near chakras )