Fwd: RE: Ashtakavarga (A good post by Ash)

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vedic astrology , " Ash's Corner " <kas

wrote:

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

To me, your question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is

to quote some proof from ancient texts.

 

Yes, you question would be absolutely pertinent, should the following

conditions be met

 

1) All the ancient texts were available and in their pristine form

2) All the translation of the same was perfect

3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity that the ancient

texts DID infact come from some Maharishi which is not possible as

everything back in the old days as you know was transmitted verbally

from Guru to Shishya and then at some point was scribed by

“someoneâ€. How do we know that if everything was captured

correctly?

 

Therefore, to me what you have asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove

all the above.

 

I therefore do not like to take part in such discussions where one has

to “quote†texts which may or may not be proper or the

meaning of them might have changed.

 

The PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as

follows.

 

Have you played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as

kids, many kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the

first kid and he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd

kid would whisper what he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the

last kid who heard it had to say what the sentence was give and it

inevitably was totally different from what the original sentence was !!!

 

That happened in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia.

 

The best way then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over

several charts over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for

“you only†and for your “own†conscience and

its NOT NECESSARY to prove it to others.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

Ash Ji,

I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to

7 BAVs being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The

matter was impersonal.

-VJ

 

________________________________

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<kas%40ashtro.ca> >

vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion,

AFTER studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that.

 

You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your

prerogative.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

vedic astrology [vedic astrology@

. com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of

SAV.. BPHS clearly says "

सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥

नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas

should be added to get the SAV.

 

What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs

should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient

reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If

Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ?

If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only

??

 

I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my

correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.

 

-VJ

 

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Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

 

After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

total.

 

When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative

position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

 

I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

 

So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence

8.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

vedic astrology

[vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16

Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no

account

of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas.

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

-VJ

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh-ji,

Thanks for posting this. Ash-ji undoubtedly has a very valid point. Things get

lost when transferred primarily as a oral tradition and then later written down.

Thus, testing of ancient dictum with honest and true charts become very

important. Also, Sthana, Kala Patra considerations change.

I wish I could go back in a time machine and voice record Parasara!

Regards,

Souvik

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

>

> vedic astrology , " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@>

> wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay ji,

>

> To me, your question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is

> to quote some proof from ancient texts.

>

> Yes, you question would be absolutely pertinent, should the following

> conditions be met

>

> 1) All the ancient texts were available and in their pristine form

> 2) All the translation of the same was perfect

> 3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity that the ancient

> texts DID infact come from some Maharishi which is not possible as

> everything back in the old days as you know was transmitted verbally

> from Guru to Shishya and then at some point was scribed by

> “someoneâ€. How do we know that if everything was captured

> correctly?

>

> Therefore, to me what you have asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove

> all the above.

>

> I therefore do not like to take part in such discussions where one has

> to “quote†texts which may or may not be proper or the

> meaning of them might have changed.

>

> The PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as

> follows.

>

> Have you played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as

> kids, many kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the

> first kid and he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd

> kid would whisper what he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the

> last kid who heard it had to say what the sentence was give and it

> inevitably was totally different from what the original sentence was !!!

>

> That happened in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia.

>

> The best way then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over

> several charts over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for

> “you only†and for your “own†conscience and

> its NOT NECESSARY to prove it to others.

>

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

> Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

>

>

> Ash Ji,

> I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to

> 7 BAVs being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The

> matter was impersonal.

> -VJ

>

> ________________________________

> " Ash's Corner@ <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " kas@

> <kas%40ashtro.ca> >

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>

> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM

> RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

>

> Dear Vinay ji,

>

> It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion,

> AFTER studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that.

>

> You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your

> prerogative.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> vedic astrology [vedic astrology@

> . com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

> Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

>

> I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of

> SAV.. BPHS clearly says "

> सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥

> नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas

> should be added to get the SAV.

>

> What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs

> should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient

> reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If

> Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ?

> If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only

> ??

>

> I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my

> correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ====== ============ =====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " kas@

> <kas%40ashtro.ca> <kas% 40ashtro. ca> >

> vedic astrology <vedic- astrology%

> 40. com>

> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM

> RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

>

> Dear Vinay ji,

>

> JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

>

> After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

> total.

>

> When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative

> position

> of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

>

> I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

>

> So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence

> 8.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16

> Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

>

> I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

> software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

> perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

>

> Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no

> account

> of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

> vargas.

>

> Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

>

> -VJ

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

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Dear Vinay Several text including varahmihir's Brihat Jatak use only AV

of 7 planets. But BPHS includes Lagn too. I believe in BPHS. Thanks

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" Sreenadh " on 2009-04-24 22:44:19 --- vedic astrology@

. com , " Ash's Corner " wrote: Dear Vinay ji, To me, your

question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is to quote

some proof from ancient texts. Yes, you question would be absolutely

pertinent, should the following conditions be met 1) All the ancient

texts were available and in their pristine form 2) All the translation

of the same was perfect 3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity

that the ancient texts DID infact come from some Maharishi which is not

possible as everything back in the old days as you know was transmitted

verbally from Guru to Shishya and then at some point was scribed by

 " someoneâ€Â. How do we know that

if everything was captured correctly? Therefore, to me what you have

asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove all the above. I therefore do

not like to take part in such discussions where one has to

 " quote†texts which may or may

not be proper or the meaning of them might have changed. The PROOF OF

WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as follows. Have you

played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as kids, many

kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the first kid

and he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd kid would

whisper what he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the last kid

who heard it had to say what the sentence was give and it inevitably was

totally different from what the original sentence was !!! That happened

in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia. The best way

then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over several charts

over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for

 " you only†and for your

 " own†conscience and its NOT

NECESSARY to prove it to others. Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology@

. com [ vedic astrology ] On Behalf

Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM vedic astrology@

. com Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Ash Ji, I

do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7

BAVs being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter

was impersonal. -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's

Corner " kas > vedic astrology Sent:

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM RE: [vedic astrology]

Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, It is not my job nor my task to prove

anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER studying Ashtakavarga for

several years and that’s that. You are free to

accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative. Cheers

!!! Ash vedic astrology [vedic-

astrology] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April

24, 2009 9:18 AM vedic astrology Re:

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I am amused to learn that I am " getting

confused in the calculation " of SAV.. BPHS clearly says " Ã

¤¸à ¤°à ¥Âà ¤µÃ

¤¾à ¤·à ¥Âà ¤ŸÃ

¤•à ¤«à ¤²à ¤®Ã

¥ à ¤¨à ¥ÂÃ

¤¯à ¤¸à ¥‡à ¤¤Ã

¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to

get the SAV. What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only

seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me

some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in

calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule

mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs

into Saptaka-vargas only ?? I do not want any controversy, but it is not

fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before

sighing at my ignorance. -VJ ============ ====== ============ =====

____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's Corner ca "

kas > vedic astrology Friday, April

24, 2009 6:25:10 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear

Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting

the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When

you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you

are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX

bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash

vedic astrology [vedic- astrology@ .

com] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16 Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM To:

vedic astrology [vedic astrology]

Ashtakavarga I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora

with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's

on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring

these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of

Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ --- End forwarded

message ---