Sidhantas in astrology-An enquiry tru history of Jyothisha

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Sidhantas in astrology --(Astrologia Mathematics: Mathematical astronomy and mathematical astrology)

Written by Sunil Nair

 

Astrologia means Jyotisastra which includes both astronomy and astrology. Similarly the word Siddhanta refers to the mathematical part of astrologia which includes both mathematical astronomy and mathematical astrology.

Here I would discuss about various Sidhantas in astrologia without going in much technical details (due to my inability for such a detailed analysis, but still) trying to find answer to the questions raised by many.

 

So bear with me if anything is wrong in concept and it is against what Rishis taught us, but I invite learned members opinions, suggestions and even explanation what it may be true than what I know or thought to be true. I am basing myself only Kerala texts. This is because the astrology I learned and use mainly belong to Kerala tradition. Kerala was able to preserve many astrologia texts due to two contrasting reasons such as –

1) due to its geographical specialty of isolation and same time interacted

2) Since it interacted with all races in world and even retained the purity irrespective of being host to all religions in world.

 

The uniqueness of Kerala astrological wisdom and the knowledge it preserved is evident from texts like, Like Dasadhyayi , Kaikulanagara hora, Prashna Anushtana Padhati, Prashna Marga, Uparatna sikha a commentary by Punnasseri Nambi for Prashna Maarga etc – to name a few.

 

Mathematical part of astrological astronomy

 

Ancient astrological science is divided into 3 Skanthas (heads; major branches) and further into 6 Angas (limbs; sub branches). The 3 Skanthas are Ganita, Samhita and hora. Rishis who wrote about all this is considered as Jyotisha acharyas (teachers of astrologia).

 

Ancient sages classified this great Sastra of astrologia into 6 Angas (sub-branches or parts). The definition of the word `sastra' is `sasyate ithi sastra' meaning `the one which advices'. Thus sastra means `authentic ancient advice'. The 6 sub-branches of astrology are Jataka (horoscopy), Gola (spherical astronomy), Nimitta (omens), Prasna (horary astrology), Muhurta (electional astrology) and Ganita (mathematical part of astrologia).

Let us see how these sub-branches or parts get integrated into the main branches or heads.

1) Ganita skanta is composed of Gola (spherical astronomy) and Ganita (calculation)

2) Hora skanta is composed of Horoscopy, Prasna, Muhurta, and some part of Nimitta

3) Samhita skanta is composed of elaborate discussion of Nimitta. It a also deals with the varying fortunes of people (of a nation, group or particular geographical location etc ) – in this context it is also known by the name Medini astrologia or Mundane astrology, Changes in weather, Growth-diseases-treatment-cure of animals and plants, Nature and shapes of meteors-shooting stars etc, and in short all wonderful natural phenomena. Samhita is a `collection' of everything related to astrologia that is not dealt within Ganita and Hora skanta.

 

Majority of acharyas accept and deals with this classification in this way itself. The six Angas can be described as follows -

 

1) Jataka - deals with predictions to be made on the basis of rising sign at the time of birth and the related planetary position

2) Gola - deals with planetary system, their nature, peculiarities and in short spherical astronomy.

3) Nimitta –deals with temporary omens (Tatkala Lakshana) – mainly omens obtaining at a particular time, omens related to body language, events and so on.

4) Prasna - forecasting methods based upon the questions raised by a qurrent

5) Muhurta – selection of auspicious time for success in religious /spiritual, social, secular, material or in short any undertaking.

6) Ganita (astrologia mathematics) - mathematical astronomy or mathematical astrology. `Sidhantas' are astrologia texts that deal with Ganita Skanta of astrologia.

 

Ganita: Astrologia Mathematics

As per Prasna Marga, the efficient astrologer should be well versed in 10 kinds of calculations such as calculation of - Kali Dina (Kali era date calculations), mean position of planets, true position of planets, solar eclipses, lunar eclipses, planetary fights (Graha Yudha), Lunar conjunctions (samagama), combustion (Maudhya), Heliacal risings and setting of various planets. Thus we can infer the difference of approach between the modern mathematics and astrologia mathematics (i.e. Ganita skanta) – there are numerous ideas present in astrologia mathematics that are not present or used, or considered unscientific by modern astronomy. In modern astronomy there is no retrogression, combustions etc but in the astrologia mathematical context the calculation of the same is unavoidable since it is much useful and required for the astrology. There are numerous texts available which deal with one or the other section of Ganita branch. To name a few - Surya Siddhanta ,Siddhanta Siromany, Siddhanta Tatva Vivekam, Graha Laghavam, Leelavathi, Pancha Sidhantika, Aryabhatiya are all examples of Ganita texts.

 

Ganita is other wise known as Tantra skanta (note the use of word tantra here). It also shows where all this concepts may have been originated. Other wise too astrology is generally known as Agamic or Agama sastra like Temple tantra (worship), Vastu Tantra (architecture) and alike. Tantra means `technique' with a practical usefulness. It is this that makes Ganita, Astrology, Vastu, Temple worship etc all Tantra. It is a system to be learned and applied (used, practiced), not just something for theoretical discussion without any practical usefulness. It is the practical usefulness that makes every tantra (technique) valuable and respectable. The same is true with this ancient branch of Tantric knowledge called astrologia as well.

 

Coming back to our subject of discussion, i.e. Ganita, an astrologer is expected to be thoroughly conversant with the methods of calculating eclipses, planetary longitudes, heliacal rising and setting of planets and all other phenomena specified by astrological texts. Kali Dina is the number of days passed from the beginning of the Kali Yuga to the epoch in question. The mean position of planets is the position which it would have attained at a uniform rate of motion and the corrections to be applied in respect of the eccentricity of the orbit are not considered. The mean longitude is reckoned on the assumption that the orbits of planets are concentric circles. Because of the orbits are elliptical and not circular further equations or corrections called beeja corrections are later on applied to the mean position to get the true longitude. Two planets are said to be in fight or Graha Yuddha when they are in conjunction and the distance between them is less than one degree. All planets except sun and moon (also Rahu and Ketu) can enter into war. The conjuring planet is the one with less longitude. The heliacal rising and setting (astodaya; asta and udaya; setting and rising) occur when they are at certain distance from Sun. Chandra samagama (conjunction with Moon) and eclipses involve more elaborate calculations.

 

So from what we discussed we can already infer that the difference between astronomical phenomenon in modern context and astrologia mathematics discussed in Sidhantas are different in calculations and approach. In reality there do not exists any eclipses, combustion, retrogression, or many other phenomena discussed in astrologia texts. Actually astrologia mathematical texts approach this subject from a different angle – the deal with what we see, observe, experience as seen from earth. Know and understand this point clearly.

 

Some words on Charlatans

Astrologia mathematics (Ganita skanta and Siddhantic texts) may speak about the 8 directions, rising and setting of sun, the horizon, ecliptic, combustion of planets, retrograde and numerous other things that actually does not `exist' but we only `feel' as we observe it from earth. Even though the ancient sages knew well that Sun was the center of solar system, there calculations were well grounded and was given `as observed from earth' – erroneously terming it as `geo centric' is nothing but ignorance. Of course even the modern astronomers refer to and use the terms such as ecliptic, horizon etc since they know and value the benefit of this approach. It is only those who lack the basic understanding and context only argue that since - `directions does not exist', `sun does not rise and set', `combustion is not possible', `planets does not fight', `planets do not go backwards' etc and that due to all this the whole astrologia mathematics and understanding is bogus and useless.

 

So what to say about some people (like AKK or Sanat) assuming scientific temper and attacking astrology saying that it is unscientific even without knowing even the basic concepts properly still claiming that I was into astrology for 35 yrs or 50 yrs etc and so on. These corrupted minds use what little they know as an opportunity to bring down Hindu pride and knowledge and prepare a ground for proselyte and converting Hindus by injecting inferiority complex by giving color of science or religion to their baseless and erroneous approach and arguments. They act as if they are protector of religion or gods as if they stand for truth – while in truth they are into their missionary mission of destruction of ancient Indian knowledge branches such as astrologia. In their mind they accept western thoughts or ideology. Or even goes to the extent of mimicking that they stand for the Vedas and argue that `it is not in Vedas and so cannot be accepted' etc. Neither they have any regard for Veda nor for astrologia. They know well that Vedas are not meant for astrological purpose, but they are not bothered, because saving neither Veda nor astrologia is their intention – but only distorting even the little ancient wisdom available to us. With this purpose they start useless endless discussions and put in whatever they feels fit in for their secret agendas into one single mould. So they may equate Purusha with kalapurusha, Aswa with Aswati Nakshatra, Nakshatra with star, Rasi with constellation and may use any similar words usually `out of context'. The reality is that they are yet to understand the real meanings and context of those words or its application in Sanskrit or in Astrologia, since they lack even the proper tradition based education of this great subject astrologia (Jyotisastra).

 

This author or no astrologer is against any particular religions, regions, people, technology, science etc. Every knowledge should be used for "loka kalyana, sarva jana sukhaya , hitaya" (For the well being of the people, for the happiness of everyone, for the benefit of everyone). So an astrologer can use all modern facilities and knowledge branches and even astronomical calculations which are available with advancement in technology and use it for astrological purpose - even though attackers engage us into fight to answer why we are using it. They are using the same modern knowledge read from here and there to destruct Hindu dharmic knowledge branches, while wearing a protective mask of acting as if they are trying to protect Hindu dharma.

 

Sidhantas: how realistic are they?

The history of Hindu astronomy makes reference to 18 Sidhantas viz -Surya, Pitamaha (Brahma ), Vyasa, Vasishta, Atri, Parasara, Kasyapa, Narada, Garga, Marichi, Manu, Angiras, Lomasa (Romaka?), Paulisa, Yavana, Chyavana, Brigu and Saunaka. This is the opinion of many acharyas including Mihira. The list may slightly with some sages including the some names and omitting some other name. Out of these 18 acharyas, and the Siddhantic texts their unique astrologia traditions provide, it seems that there were only 5 names to have merited the admiration of Varahamihira or it is also possible that all other Sidhantas got lost by the time of Varaha Mihira.

 

Varahamihira in his Pancha Sidhantika (which is a summary of 5 Sidhantas) clearly says Siddhanta made by Paulisa (Paulisa Siddhanta) is accurate, near to it stands the Siddhanta of Romaka (Romaka Siddhanta), but more accurate is the Surya (Surya Siddhanta), and Paitamaha (Brahma; Paitamaha Siddhanta) and Vasishta (Vasishta Siddhanta) are not accurate (means become obsolete by the time of Varahamihira itself).

 

Here I take opportunity to answer 2 sections of people. One, those like Vinay Jha, who is spreading word that the Saura Paksha is accurate and we should use it `without any change'. The truth is - it is always good to test its efficiency like what Varahamihira did. Varahamihira himself tells us that in the absence of proper updating, in the changing times many Sidhantas became obsolete. The inherent advice to us is that – we should test the efficiency and accuracy of the Siddhanta or astrologia mathematical system we use.

 

Second, to dharma Pravarthaka's (Hindu religious propagators), who in the name of protecting Hindu dharma, is actually abusing acharyas. They usually take only what they want from these quotations, and is spreading lies that everything we got is from Greek,Chaldean, Babylon or even European places! Where as they either forget or is close eyed towards the fact that Varahamihira also mentioned about Vasishta and Brhama Sidhantas and said that they are not working properly now. Does it not show its antiquity? Is it not clear that `since with time Sidhantas become obsolete and demands revision' that `Brahma Siddhanta and Vasishta Siddhanta are much older than the other available siddhantas of that time'? Other wise what is the meaning of Varahamihira saying that those calculations are not at par with present day planetary phenomenon since no further improvements has been made by successive generation of scholars?

 

They don't have any proof to support their claims from respective cultures. Here in this list of 5 Sidhantas it clearly and separately mentions Yavana and Surya Sidhantas, which clearly indicate that they does not borrow anything from each other. But still these people enthusiastically claim that Indian astrological knowledge came from other cultures such as Greek or Rome! This reveals their real aim, and also that that these people are only interested in distorting facts and twisting everything.

Thus the above statements also prove the Saura paksha orthodoxy claims such as that of Vinay Jha also don't hold water since here as it is clear that Varahamihira is speaking about physical phenomenon than treating the astrologia calculation as some divine phenomenon. Astrology was not a religion for him but a subject of practical usefulness. If astrology is something that has got existence only on spiritual and divine plane alone, then what is the need for so many Sidhantas from different school of thoughts (Rishi Kulas)? (Rishi kulas: Rishi Kulas ashrams or centre of learning where each Rishi with the Kula originators designation was the head of it). Why Varahamihira and many later scholars tried to improve it? Why they even said that only a few Sidhantas are available now and that even out of the few available only some is working and that out of the whole Surya Siddhanta is superior to other Sidhantas? Is it not true that - all these point out that all Sidhantas need updating (Sidhantas should be updated on time) by individuals with dedicated time and scholarly pursuits?

 

Let us come back to Prasna Marga. Prasna Marga is a condensed compilation of 100s of texts. It made obsolete many ancient texts because of its own popularity. Many books mentioned in it is not available now. Prashnamarga belongs to 14th century AD while Pancha Siddhantika of Varaha Mihira belongs to 6th century AD). Prasna Marga gives a different opinion than Varahamihira (may be due to the mathematical contribution of Kerala and in text it was discussing various popular opinions prevalent in Kerala than its author's opinions). It says Brahma Siddhanta is accurate, Romaka is more accurate but Surya Siddhanta is most accurate the last two (Vasishta and Paulisa) are archaic in nature. Also not to mention the Arya bhata, Bhaskara, Brahma Gupta and the like; the mathematical astronomers and their Siddhantic texts, which too contributed for Ganita skanta (astrologia mathematics). I think and assume that, this all point to the very fact that, all these Sidhantas are discussing about seeing actual position (physical position) of planets – i.e. Suryadi Navagrahas (9 planets). It is more clear when they discuss about eclipses (with some non mathematical imaginary position I think it is not calculable as it is a visible reality). The Eclipse behavior, visibility, sparsha (touching, approaching) and moksha (leaving, separating) periods and its duration, techniques to calculate it, time of eclipse happening etc – all these doesn't make sense if the astrological Sidhantas like Surya Siddhanta is not speaking about real physical planets. So all these point to the fact that, they are all talking about real planetary positions – the Drik Siddhanta Sputa. If not (would Vinay Jha is true) even the so called beeja corrections are not required. This is not the case, all the above points together clearly shows that Vinay's arguments and approach (of considering Surya Siddhanta based planetary positions only as spiritual unrelated to reality than physical reality) are totally wrong.

 

The later day contribution of Aryabhata's followers is known as Parahita (means acceptable or liked by others - or it also means that it is acceptable to all people from far places too). It was widely used in computing ephemeris and birth charts and even calculating eclipses and all other astrological purposes. Again during later days, it is again found that even those calculations are differing from actual positions and Shri Parameshwara acharya (parameswaran nampoothiri) in 14th century (much before modern reminiscence in Europe) made some corrections after 55yrs research and hard work of astronomical observations, refined further all those calculations. The system he introduced came to be known as "Drik Ganita" (actual Planetary positions `as observed'). He also published one text called Grahana mandanam which explains the calculation method to arrive at correct planetary position of sun and moon at eclipses and its timing etc. His work is otherwise also knows Drik Siddhanta and its mathematical calculation is known as Drik Ganita (termed `thiru ganita' in south in general).

 

He explicitly tells us that he discussed only deviations happened in previous Sidhantas and knowledge of previous Sidhantas is a must and necessary. He requested all scholars to use this as an auxiliary only to those Sidhantas (such as Parahita system). H says -

Viknjaya cha laghu thantram

drishtwa Golasya samstitheem Bahusa

ganakanam santhosha pradam

maya grahana mandanam kriyathe

(4th sloka in first chapter --grahana mandanam)

 

So I think we should use the actual positions of planets and hence using modern nautical almanacs is also recommended for astrologers as I don't think in future anyone will devote their time for this kind of calculations, if it is already available with the help of modern tools. The only thing we should use and stick to is the predictive principles laid down by ancient sages.

 

[i am asking forgiveness for mistakes committed by me in this article – if any. This is a wide subject is beyond my capacity and caliber. But still I tried an investigation from my side and invites scholarly opinion of other learned scholars and students. I invite all astrologers who has different opinions than me in group and I hope they may join and contribute for this discussions]

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji,

Thanks for the good article and the knowledge shared through it.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

Really well-written. Understanding the concepts is even more important

than mastering  the related mathematics. Will you mind forwarding this nice

note  to the Jyotishgroup and the other astrology groups also?

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Wed, 4/22/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Sidhantas in astrology-An enquiry tru

history of Jyothisha

 

Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 7:51 PM

 

 

Sidhantas in astrology --(Astrologia Mathematics: Mathematical astronomy and

mathematical astrology)

Written by Sunil Nair

 

Astrologia means Jyotisastra which includes both astronomy and astrology.

Similarly the word Siddhanta refers to the mathematical part of astrologia which

includes both mathematical astronomy and mathematical astrology.

Here I would discuss about various Sidhantas in astrologia without going in much

technical details (due to my inability for such a detailed analysis, but still)

trying to find answer to the questions raised by many.

 

So bear with me if anything is wrong in concept and it is against what Rishis

taught us, but I invite learned members opinions, suggestions and even

explanation what it may be true than what I know or thought to be true.  I am

basing myself only Kerala texts. This is because the astrology I learned and use

mainly belong to Kerala tradition. Kerala was able to preserve many astrologia

texts due to two contrasting reasons such as –

1)       due to its geographical specialty of isolation  and same time

interacted

2)       Since it interacted with all races in world and even retained the

purity irrespective of being host to all religions in world.

 

The uniqueness of Kerala astrological wisdom and the knowledge it preserved is

evident from texts like, Like Dasadhyayi , Kaikulanagara hora, Prashna Anushtana

Padhati, Prashna Marga, Uparatna sikha a commentary by Punnasseri Nambi for

Prashna Maarga  etc – to name a few.

 

Mathematical part of astrological astronomy

 

Ancient astrological science is divided into 3 Skanthas (heads; major branches)

and further into 6 Angas (limbs; sub branches). The 3 Skanthas are Ganita,

Samhita and hora. Rishis who wrote about all this is considered as Jyotisha

acharyas (teachers of astrologia).

 

Ancient sages classified this great Sastra of astrologia into 6 Angas

(sub-branches or parts).  The definition of the word `sastra' is `sasyate ithi

sastra' meaning `the one which advices'. Thus sastra means `authentic ancient

advice'. The 6 sub-branches of astrology are Jataka (horoscopy), Gola (spherical

astronomy), Nimitta (omens), Prasna (horary astrology), Muhurta (electional

astrology) and Ganita (mathematical part of astrologia).

   Let us see how these sub-branches or parts get integrated into the main

branches or heads.

1)       Ganita skanta  is composed of Gola (spherical astronomy) and

Ganita (calculation)

2)       Hora skanta is composed of Horoscopy, Prasna, Muhurta, and some

part of Nimitta

3)       Samhita skanta is composed of elaborate discussion of Nimitta. It

a also deals with the varying fortunes of people (of a nation, group or

particular geographical location etc ) – in this context it is also known by

the name Medini astrologia or Mundane astrology, Changes in weather,

Growth-diseases- treatment- cure of animals and plants, Nature and shapes of

meteors-shooting stars etc, and in short all wonderful natural phenomena.

Samhita is a `collection' of everything related to astrologia that is not dealt

within Ganita and Hora skanta.  

 

Majority of acharyas accept and deals with this classification in this way

itself.  The six Angas can be described as follows -

 

1)       Jataka - deals with predictions to be made on the basis of rising

sign at the time of birth and the related planetary position

2)       Gola - deals with planetary system, their nature, peculiarities

and in short spherical astronomy.

3)       Nimitta –deals with temporary omens (Tatkala Lakshana) –

mainly omens obtaining at a particular time, omens related to body language,

events and so on.

4)       Prasna - forecasting methods based upon the questions raised by a

qurrent

5)        Muhurta – selection of auspicious time for success in

religious /spiritual, social, secular, material or in short any undertaking.

6)       Ganita (astrologia mathematics) - mathematical astronomy or

mathematical astrology. `Sidhantas' are astrologia texts that deal with Ganita

Skanta of astrologia.

 

Ganita: Astrologia Mathematics

As per Prasna Marga, the efficient astrologer should be well versed in 10 kinds

of calculations such as calculation of  - Kali Dina (Kali era date

calculations) , mean position of planets, true position of planets, solar

eclipses, lunar eclipses, planetary fights (Graha Yudha), Lunar conjunctions

(samagama), combustion (Maudhya), Heliacal risings and setting of various

planets. Thus we can infer the difference of approach between the modern

mathematics and astrologia mathematics (i.e. Ganita skanta) – there are

numerous ideas present in astrologia mathematics that are not present or used,

or considered unscientific by modern astronomy. In modern astronomy there is no

retrogression, combustions etc but in the astrologia mathematical context the

calculation of the same is unavoidable since it is much useful and required for

the astrology. There are numerous texts available which deal with one or the

other section of Ganita branch. To name a few - Surya

Siddhanta ,Siddhanta Siromany, Siddhanta Tatva Vivekam, Graha Laghavam,

Leelavathi, Pancha Sidhantika, Aryabhatiya are all examples of Ganita texts.

 

Ganita is other wise known as Tantra skanta (note the use of word tantra here).

It also shows where all this concepts may have been originated. Other wise too

astrology is generally known as Agamic or Agama sastra like Temple tantra

(worship), Vastu Tantra (architecture) and alike. Tantra means `technique' with

a practical usefulness. It is this that makes Ganita, Astrology, Vastu, Temple

worship etc all Tantra.  It is a system to be learned and applied (used,

practiced), not just something for theoretical discussion without any practical

usefulness. It is the practical usefulness that makes every tantra (technique)

valuable and respectable. The same is true with this ancient branch of Tantric

knowledge called astrologia as well.

 

Coming back to our subject of discussion, i.e. Ganita, an astrologer is expected

to be thoroughly conversant with the methods of calculating eclipses, planetary

longitudes, heliacal rising and setting of planets and all other phenomena

specified by astrological texts. Kali Dina is the number of days passed from the

beginning of the Kali Yuga to the epoch in question. The mean position of

planets is the position which it would have attained at a uniform rate of motion

and the corrections to be applied in respect of the eccentricity of the orbit

are not considered. The mean longitude is reckoned on the assumption that the

orbits of planets are concentric circles. Because of the orbits are elliptical

and not circular further equations or corrections called beeja corrections are

later on applied to the mean position to get the true longitude. Two planets are

said to be in fight or Graha Yuddha when they are in conjunction and the

distance between them is

less than one degree. All planets except sun and moon (also Rahu and Ketu) can

enter into war. The conjuring planet is the one with less longitude. The

heliacal rising and setting (astodaya; asta and udaya; setting and rising) occur

when they are at certain distance from Sun. Chandra samagama (conjunction with

Moon) and eclipses involve more elaborate calculations.

 

 So from what we discussed we can already infer that the difference between

astronomical phenomenon in modern context and astrologia mathematics discussed

in Sidhantas are different in calculations and approach. In reality there do not

exists any eclipses, combustion, retrogression, or many other phenomena

discussed in astrologia texts. Actually astrologia mathematical texts approach

this subject from a different angle – the deal with what we see, observe,

experience as seen from earth. Know and understand this point clearly.

 

Some words on Charlatans

Astrologia mathematics (Ganita skanta and Siddhantic texts) may speak about the

8 directions, rising and setting of sun, the horizon, ecliptic, combustion of

planets, retrograde and numerous other things that actually does not `exist' but

we only `feel' as we observe it from earth. Even though the ancient sages knew

well that Sun was the center of solar system, there calculations were well

grounded and was given `as observed from earth' – erroneously terming it as

`geo centric' is nothing but ignorance. Of course even the modern astronomers

refer to and use the terms such as ecliptic, horizon etc since they know and

value the benefit of this approach. It is only those who lack the basic

understanding and context only argue that since - `directions does not exist',

`sun does not rise and set', `combustion is not possible', `planets does not

fight', `planets do not go backwards' etc and that due to all this the whole

astrologia mathematics and

understanding is bogus and useless.       

 

So what to say about some people (like AKK or Sanat) assuming scientific temper

and attacking astrology saying that it is unscientific even without knowing even

the basic concepts properly still claiming that I was into astrology for 35 yrs

or 50 yrs etc and so on. These corrupted minds use what little they know as an

opportunity to bring down Hindu pride and knowledge and prepare a ground for

proselyte and converting Hindus by injecting inferiority complex by giving

color of science or religion to their baseless and erroneous approach and

arguments. They act as if they are protector of religion or gods as if they

stand for truth – while in truth they are into their missionary mission of

destruction of ancient Indian knowledge branches such as astrologia. In their

mind they accept western thoughts or ideology. Or even goes to the extent of

mimicking that they stand for the Vedas and argue that `it is not in Vedas and

so cannot be accepted' etc.

Neither they have any regard for Veda nor for astrologia. They know well that

Vedas are not meant for astrological purpose, but they are not bothered, because

saving neither Veda nor astrologia is their intention – but only distorting

even the little ancient wisdom available to us. With this purpose they  start

useless endless discussions and put in whatever they feels fit in for their

secret agendas into one single mould. So they may equate Purusha with

kalapurusha, Aswa with Aswati Nakshatra, Nakshatra with star, Rasi with

constellation and may use any similar words usually `out of context'. The

reality is that they are yet to understand the real meanings and context of

those words or its application in Sanskrit or in Astrologia, since they lack

even the proper tradition based education of this great subject astrologia

(Jyotisastra) .

 

This author or no astrologer is against any particular religions, regions,

people, technology, science etc. Every knowledge should be used for " loka

kalyana, sarva jana sukhaya , hitaya " (For the well being of the people, for the

happiness of everyone, for the benefit of everyone). So an astrologer can use

all modern facilities and knowledge branches and even astronomical

calculations which are available with advancement in technology and use it for

astrological purpose - even though attackers engage us into fight to answer why

we are using it.  They are using the same modern knowledge read from here and

there to destruct Hindu dharmic knowledge branches, while wearing a protective

mask of acting as if they are trying to protect Hindu dharma.

 

Sidhantas: how realistic are they?

The history of Hindu astronomy makes reference to 18 Sidhantas viz -Surya,

Pitamaha (Brahma ), Vyasa, Vasishta, Atri, Parasara, Kasyapa, Narada, Garga,

Marichi, Manu, Angiras, Lomasa (Romaka?), Paulisa, Yavana, Chyavana, Brigu and

Saunaka. This is the opinion of many acharyas including Mihira. The list may

slightly with some sages including the some names and omitting some other name.

Out of these 18 acharyas, and the Siddhantic texts their unique astrologia

traditions provide, it seems that there were only 5 names to have merited the

admiration of Varahamihira or it is also possible that all other Sidhantas got

lost by the time of Varaha Mihira.

 

Varahamihira in his Pancha Sidhantika (which is a summary of 5 Sidhantas)

clearly says Siddhanta made by Paulisa (Paulisa Siddhanta) is accurate, near to

it stands the Siddhanta of Romaka (Romaka Siddhanta), but more accurate is the

Surya (Surya Siddhanta), and Paitamaha (Brahma; Paitamaha Siddhanta) and

Vasishta (Vasishta Siddhanta) are not accurate (means become obsolete by the

time of Varahamihira itself).

 

Here I take opportunity to answer 2 sections of people. One, those like Vinay

Jha, who is spreading word that the Saura Paksha is accurate and we should use

it `without any change'. The truth is - it is always good to test its efficiency

like what Varahamihira did. Varahamihira himself tells us that in the absence of

proper updating, in the changing times many Sidhantas became obsolete. The

inherent advice to us is that – we should test the efficiency and accuracy of

the Siddhanta or astrologia mathematical system we use.

 

Second, to dharma Pravarthaka' s (Hindu religious propagators) , who in the name

of protecting Hindu dharma, is actually abusing acharyas.  They usually take

only what they want from these quotations, and is spreading lies that everything

we got is from Greek,Chaldean, Babylon  or even European places! Where as they

either forget or is close eyed towards the fact that Varahamihira also mentioned

about Vasishta and Brhama Sidhantas and said that they are not working properly

now. Does it not show its antiquity? Is it not clear that `since with time

Sidhantas become obsolete and demands revision' that `Brahma Siddhanta and

Vasishta Siddhanta are much older than the other available siddhantas of that

time'? Other wise what is the meaning of Varahamihira saying that those

calculations are not at par with present day planetary phenomenon since no

further improvements has been made by successive generation of scholars?

 

They don't have any proof to support their claims from respective cultures. Here

in this list of 5 Sidhantas it clearly and separately mentions Yavana and Surya

Sidhantas, which clearly indicate that they does not borrow anything from each

other. But still these people enthusiastically claim that Indian astrological

knowledge came from other cultures such as Greek or Rome! This reveals their

real aim, and also that that these people are only interested in distorting

facts and twisting everything.

 

 

Thus the above statements also prove the Saura paksha orthodoxy claims such as

that of Vinay Jha also don't hold water since here as it is clear that

Varahamihira is speaking about physical phenomenon than treating the astrologia

calculation as some divine phenomenon. Astrology was not a religion for him but

a subject of practical usefulness. If astrology is something that has got

existence only on spiritual and divine plane alone, then what is the need for so

many Sidhantas from different school of thoughts (Rishi Kulas)? (Rishi kulas:

Rishi Kulas ashrams or centre of learning where each Rishi with the Kula

originators designation was the head of it). Why Varahamihira and many later

scholars tried to improve it?  Why they even said that only a few Sidhantas are

available now and that even out of the few available only some is working and

that out of the whole Surya Siddhanta is superior to other Sidhantas?  Is it

not true that - all these point out

that all Sidhantas need updating (Sidhantas should be updated on time) by

individuals with dedicated time and scholarly pursuits?

 

Let us come back to Prasna Marga. Prasna Marga is a condensed compilation of

100s of texts. It made obsolete many ancient texts because of its own

popularity. Many books mentioned in it is not available now. Prashnamarga

belongs to 14th century AD while Pancha Siddhantika of Varaha Mihira belongs to

6th century AD). Prasna Marga gives a different opinion than Varahamihira (may

be due to the mathematical contribution of Kerala and in text it was discussing

various popular opinions prevalent in Kerala than its author's opinions). It

says Brahma Siddhanta is accurate, Romaka is more accurate but Surya Siddhanta

is most accurate the last two (Vasishta and Paulisa) are archaic in nature.

Also not to mention the Arya bhata, Bhaskara, Brahma Gupta and the like; the

mathematical astronomers and their Siddhantic texts, which too contributed for

Ganita skanta (astrologia mathematics) . I think and assume that, this all point

to the very fact that, all these

Sidhantas are discussing  about seeing actual position (physical position) of

planets – i.e. Suryadi Navagrahas (9 planets). It is more clear when they

discuss about eclipses (with some non mathematical imaginary position I think it

is not calculable as it is a visible reality). The Eclipse behavior, visibility,

sparsha (touching, approaching)  and moksha (leaving, separating) periods and

its duration, techniques to calculate it,  time of eclipse happening etc –

all these doesn't make sense if the astrological Sidhantas like Surya Siddhanta

is not speaking about real physical planets. So all these point to the fact

that, they are all talking about real planetary positions – the Drik Siddhanta

Sputa. If not (would Vinay Jha is true) even the so called beeja corrections are

not required. This is not the case, all the above points together clearly shows

that Vinay's arguments and approach (of considering Surya Siddhanta based

planetary positions

only as spiritual unrelated to reality than physical reality)  are totally

wrong.

 

 

The  later day contribution of Aryabhata's followers is known as Parahita

(means acceptable or liked by others - or it also means that it is acceptable to

all people from far places too). It was widely used in computing ephemeris and

birth charts and even calculating eclipses and all other astrological purposes.

Again during later days, it is again found that  even those calculations are

differing from actual positions and Shri Parameshwara acharya (parameswaran

nampoothiri) in 14th century (much before modern reminiscence in Europe) made

some corrections after 55yrs research and hard work of astronomical

observations, refined further all those calculations. The system he introduced

came to be known as " Drik Ganita " (actual Planetary positions `as observed'). He

also published one text called Grahana mandanam which explains the calculation

method to arrive at correct planetary position of sun and moon at eclipses and

its timing etc. His work is

otherwise also knows Drik Siddhanta and its mathematical calculation is known

as Drik Ganita (termed `thiru ganita' in south in general).

 

He explicitly tells us that he discussed only deviations happened in previous

Sidhantas and knowledge of previous Sidhantas is a must and necessary. He

requested all scholars to use this as an auxiliary only to those Sidhantas (such

as Parahita system). H says  -

Viknjaya cha laghu thantram

drishtwa  Golasya samstitheem Bahusa

ganakanam santhosha pradam

maya grahana mandanam kriyathe

(4th sloka in first chapter --grahana mandanam)

 

So I think we should use the actual positions of planets and hence using modern

nautical almanacs is also recommended for astrologers as I don't think in future

anyone will devote their time for this kind of calculations, if it is already

available with the help of modern tools. The only thing we should use and stick

to is the predictive principles laid down by ancient sages.

 

[i am asking forgiveness for mistakes committed by me in this article – if

any.  This is a wide subject is beyond my capacity and caliber. But still I

tried an investigation from my side and invites scholarly opinion of other

learned scholars and students. I invite all astrologers who has different

opinions than me in group and I hope they may join and contribute for this

discussions]

 

[Guest guest]

dear sunil bhattacharjyi ,

 

thanks for the good words frm a esteemed scholars like u

u r free to use this article if u find it is helpful

tho real credit for clarity and uniqueness going to sreenadh ji for he edited and even the language is his version

 

rgrds sunil nair

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Really well-written. Understanding the concepts is even more important than mastering the related mathematics. Will you mind forwarding this nice note  to the Jyotishgroup and the other astrology groups also?> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Wed, 4/22/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Sidhantas in astrology-An enquiry tru history of Jyothisha> > Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 7:51 PM> > > Sidhantas in astrology --(Astrologia Mathematics: Mathematical astronomy and mathematical astrology)> Written by Sunil Nair> > Astrologia means Jyotisastra which includes both astronomy and astrology. Similarly the word Siddhanta refers to the mathematical part of astrologia which includes both mathematical astronomy and mathematical astrology.> Here I would discuss about various Sidhantas in astrologia without going in much technical details (due to my inability for such a detailed analysis, but still) trying to find answer to the questions raised by many.>  > So bear with me if anything is wrong in concept and it is against what Rishis taught us, but I invite learned members opinions, suggestions and even explanation what it may be true than what I know or thought to be true.  I am basing myself only Kerala texts. This is because the astrology I learned and use mainly belong to Kerala tradition. Kerala was able to preserve many astrologia texts due to two contrasting reasons such as â€"> 1)      due to its geographical specialty of isolation  and same time interacted> 2)      Since it interacted with all races in world and even retained the purity irrespective of being host to all religions in world.>  > The uniqueness of Kerala astrological wisdom and the knowledge it preserved is evident from texts like, Like Dasadhyayi , Kaikulanagara hora, Prashna Anushtana Padhati, Prashna Marga, Uparatna sikha a commentary by Punnasseri Nambi for Prashna Maarga etc â€" to name a few.>  > Mathematical part of astrological astronomy>  > Ancient astrological science is divided into 3 Skanthas (heads; major branches) and further into 6 Angas (limbs; sub branches). The 3 Skanthas are Ganita, Samhita and hora. Rishis who wrote about all this is considered as Jyotisha acharyas (teachers of astrologia).>  > Ancient sages classified this great Sastra of astrologia into 6 Angas (sub-branches or parts).  The definition of the word `sastra' is `sasyate ithi sastra' meaning `the one which advices'. Thus sastra means `authentic ancient advice'. The 6 sub-branches of astrology are Jataka (horoscopy), Gola (spherical astronomy), Nimitta (omens), Prasna (horary astrology), Muhurta (electional astrology) and Ganita (mathematical part of astrologia).>   Let us see how these sub-branches or parts get integrated into the main branches or heads.> 1)      Ganita skanta is composed of Gola (spherical astronomy) and Ganita (calculation)> 2)      Hora skanta is composed of Horoscopy, Prasna, Muhurta, and some part of Nimitta> 3)      Samhita skanta is composed of elaborate discussion of Nimitta. It a also deals with the varying fortunes of people (of a nation, group or particular geographical location etc ) â€" in this context it is also known by the name Medini astrologia or Mundane astrology, Changes in weather, Growth-diseases- treatment- cure of animals and plants, Nature and shapes of meteors-shooting stars etc, and in short all wonderful natural phenomena. Samhita is a `collection' of everything related to astrologia that is not dealt within Ganita and Hora skanta.  >  > Majority of acharyas accept and deals with this classification in this way itself.  The six Angas can be described as follows ->  > 1)      Jataka - deals with predictions to be made on the basis of rising sign at the time of birth and the related planetary position> 2)      Gola - deals with planetary system, their nature, peculiarities and in short spherical astronomy.> 3)      Nimitta â€"deals with temporary omens (Tatkala Lakshana) â€" mainly omens obtaining at a particular time, omens related to body language, events and so on.> 4)      Prasna - forecasting methods based upon the questions raised by a qurrent> 5)       Muhurta â€" selection of auspicious time for success in religious /spiritual, social, secular, material or in short any undertaking.> 6)      Ganita (astrologia mathematics) - mathematical astronomy or mathematical astrology. `Sidhantas' are astrologia texts that deal with Ganita Skanta of astrologia.>  > Ganita: Astrologia Mathematics> As per Prasna Marga, the efficient astrologer should be well versed in 10 kinds of calculations such as calculation of - Kali Dina (Kali era date calculations) , mean position of planets, true position of planets, solar eclipses, lunar eclipses, planetary fights (Graha Yudha), Lunar conjunctions (samagama), combustion (Maudhya), Heliacal risings and setting of various planets. Thus we can infer the difference of approach between the modern mathematics and astrologia mathematics (i.e. Ganita skanta) â€" there are numerous ideas present in astrologia mathematics that are not present or used, or considered unscientific by modern astronomy. In modern astronomy there is no retrogression, combustions etc but in the astrologia mathematical context the calculation of the same is unavoidable since it is much useful and required for the astrology. There are numerous texts available which deal with one or the other section of Ganita branch. To name a few - Surya> Siddhanta ,Siddhanta Siromany, Siddhanta Tatva Vivekam, Graha Laghavam, Leelavathi, Pancha Sidhantika, Aryabhatiya are all examples of Ganita texts.>  > Ganita is other wise known as Tantra skanta (note the use of word tantra here). It also shows where all this concepts may have been originated. Other wise too astrology is generally known as Agamic or Agama sastra like Temple tantra (worship), Vastu Tantra (architecture) and alike. Tantra means `technique' with a practical usefulness. It is this that makes Ganita, Astrology, Vastu, Temple worship etc all Tantra.  It is a system to be learned and applied (used, practiced), not just something for theoretical discussion without any practical usefulness. It is the practical usefulness that makes every tantra (technique) valuable and respectable. The same is true with this ancient branch of Tantric knowledge called astrologia as well.>  > Coming back to our subject of discussion, i.e. Ganita, an astrologer is expected to be thoroughly conversant with the methods of calculating eclipses, planetary longitudes, heliacal rising and setting of planets and all other phenomena specified by astrological texts. Kali Dina is the number of days passed from the beginning of the Kali Yuga to the epoch in question. The mean position of planets is the position which it would have attained at a uniform rate of motion and the corrections to be applied in respect of the eccentricity of the orbit are not considered. The mean longitude is reckoned on the assumption that the orbits of planets are concentric circles. Because of the orbits are elliptical and not circular further equations or corrections called beeja corrections are later on applied to the mean position to get the true longitude. Two planets are said to be in fight or Graha Yuddha when they are in conjunction and the distance between them is> less than one degree. All planets except sun and moon (also Rahu and Ketu) can enter into war. The conjuring planet is the one with less longitude. The heliacal rising and setting (astodaya; asta and udaya; setting and rising) occur when they are at certain distance from Sun. Chandra samagama (conjunction with Moon) and eclipses involve more elaborate calculations.>  >  So from what we discussed we can already infer that the difference between astronomical phenomenon in modern context and astrologia mathematics discussed in Sidhantas are different in calculations and approach. In reality there do not exists any eclipses, combustion, retrogression, or many other phenomena discussed in astrologia texts. Actually astrologia mathematical texts approach this subject from a different angle â€" the deal with what we see, observe, experience as seen from earth. Know and understand this point clearly.>  > Some words on Charlatans> Astrologia mathematics (Ganita skanta and Siddhantic texts) may speak about the 8 directions, rising and setting of sun, the horizon, ecliptic, combustion of planets, retrograde and numerous other things that actually does not `exist' but we only `feel' as we observe it from earth. Even though the ancient sages knew well that Sun was the center of solar system, there calculations were well grounded and was given `as observed from earth' â€" erroneously terming it as `geo centric' is nothing but ignorance. Of course even the modern astronomers refer to and use the terms such as ecliptic, horizon etc since they know and value the benefit of this approach. It is only those who lack the basic understanding and context only argue that since - `directions does not exist', `sun does not rise and set', `combustion is not possible', `planets does not fight', `planets do not go backwards' etc and that due to all this the whole astrologia mathematics and> understanding is bogus and useless.      >  > So what to say about some people (like AKK or Sanat) assuming scientific temper and attacking astrology saying that it is unscientific even without knowing even the basic concepts properly still claiming that I was into astrology for 35 yrs or 50 yrs etc and so on. These corrupted minds use what little they know as an opportunity to bring down Hindu pride and knowledge and prepare a ground for proselyte and converting Hindus by injecting inferiority complex by giving color of science or religion to their baseless and erroneous approach and arguments. They act as if they are protector of religion or gods as if they stand for truth â€" while in truth they are into their missionary mission of destruction of ancient Indian knowledge branches such as astrologia. In their mind they accept western thoughts or ideology. Or even goes to the extent of mimicking that they stand for the Vedas and argue that `it is not in Vedas and so cannot be accepted' etc.> Neither they have any regard for Veda nor for astrologia. They know well that Vedas are not meant for astrological purpose, but they are not bothered, because saving neither Veda nor astrologia is their intention â€" but only distorting even the little ancient wisdom available to us. With this purpose they  start useless endless discussions and put in whatever they feels fit in for their secret agendas into one single mould. So they may equate Purusha with kalapurusha, Aswa with Aswati Nakshatra, Nakshatra with star, Rasi with constellation and may use any similar words usually `out of context'. The reality is that they are yet to understand the real meanings and context of those words or its application in Sanskrit or in Astrologia, since they lack even the proper tradition based education of this great subject astrologia (Jyotisastra) .>  > This author or no astrologer is against any particular religions, regions, people, technology, science etc. Every knowledge should be used for "loka kalyana, sarva jana sukhaya , hitaya" (For the well being of the people, for the happiness of everyone, for the benefit of everyone). So an astrologer can use all modern facilities and knowledge branches and even astronomical calculations which are available with advancement in technology and use it for astrological purpose - even though attackers engage us into fight to answer why we are using it. They are using the same modern knowledge read from here and there to destruct Hindu dharmic knowledge branches, while wearing a protective mask of acting as if they are trying to protect Hindu dharma.>  > Sidhantas: how realistic are they?> The history of Hindu astronomy makes reference to 18 Sidhantas viz -Surya, Pitamaha (Brahma ), Vyasa, Vasishta, Atri, Parasara, Kasyapa, Narada, Garga, Marichi, Manu, Angiras, Lomasa (Romaka?), Paulisa, Yavana, Chyavana, Brigu and Saunaka. This is the opinion of many acharyas including Mihira. The list may slightly with some sages including the some names and omitting some other name. Out of these 18 acharyas, and the Siddhantic texts their unique astrologia traditions provide, it seems that there were only 5 names to have merited the admiration of Varahamihira or it is also possible that all other Sidhantas got lost by the time of Varaha Mihira.>  > Varahamihira in his Pancha Sidhantika (which is a summary of 5 Sidhantas) clearly says Siddhanta made by Paulisa (Paulisa Siddhanta) is accurate, near to it stands the Siddhanta of Romaka (Romaka Siddhanta), but more accurate is the Surya (Surya Siddhanta), and Paitamaha (Brahma; Paitamaha Siddhanta) and Vasishta (Vasishta Siddhanta) are not accurate (means become obsolete by the time of Varahamihira itself).>  > Here I take opportunity to answer 2 sections of people. One, those like Vinay Jha, who is spreading word that the Saura Paksha is accurate and we should use it `without any change'. The truth is - it is always good to test its efficiency like what Varahamihira did. Varahamihira himself tells us that in the absence of proper updating, in the changing times many Sidhantas became obsolete. The inherent advice to us is that â€" we should test the efficiency and accuracy of the Siddhanta or astrologia mathematical system we use.>  > Second, to dharma Pravarthaka' s (Hindu religious propagators) , who in the name of protecting Hindu dharma, is actually abusing acharyas.  They usually take only what they want from these quotations, and is spreading lies that everything we got is from Greek,Chaldean, Babylon or even European places! Where as they either forget or is close eyed towards the fact that Varahamihira also mentioned about Vasishta and Brhama Sidhantas and said that they are not working properly now. Does it not show its antiquity? Is it not clear that `since with time Sidhantas become obsolete and demands revision' that `Brahma Siddhanta and Vasishta Siddhanta are much older than the other available siddhantas of that time'? Other wise what is the meaning of Varahamihira saying that those calculations are not at par with present day planetary phenomenon since no further improvements has been made by successive generation of scholars?>  > They don't have any proof to support their claims from respective cultures. Here in this list of 5 Sidhantas it clearly and separately mentions Yavana and Surya Sidhantas, which clearly indicate that they does not borrow anything from each other. But still these people enthusiastically claim that Indian astrological knowledge came from other cultures such as Greek or Rome! This reveals their real aim, and also that that these people are only interested in distorting facts and twisting everything.> > > Thus the above statements also prove the Saura paksha orthodoxy claims such as that of Vinay Jha also don't hold water since here as it is clear that Varahamihira is speaking about physical phenomenon than treating the astrologia calculation as some divine phenomenon. Astrology was not a religion for him but a subject of practical usefulness. If astrology is something that has got existence only on spiritual and divine plane alone, then what is the need for so many Sidhantas from different school of thoughts (Rishi Kulas)? (Rishi kulas: Rishi Kulas ashrams or centre of learning where each Rishi with the Kula originators designation was the head of it). Why Varahamihira and many later scholars tried to improve it?  Why they even said that only a few Sidhantas are available now and that even out of the few available only some is working and that out of the whole Surya Siddhanta is superior to other Sidhantas? Is it not true that - all these point out> that all Sidhantas need updating (Sidhantas should be updated on time) by individuals with dedicated time and scholarly pursuits?> > Let us come back to Prasna Marga. Prasna Marga is a condensed compilation of 100s of texts. It made obsolete many ancient texts because of its own popularity. Many books mentioned in it is not available now. Prashnamarga belongs to 14th century AD while Pancha Siddhantika of Varaha Mihira belongs to 6th century AD). Prasna Marga gives a different opinion than Varahamihira (may be due to the mathematical contribution of Kerala and in text it was discussing various popular opinions prevalent in Kerala than its author's opinions). It says Brahma Siddhanta is accurate, Romaka is more accurate but Surya Siddhanta is most accurate the last two (Vasishta and Paulisa) are archaic in nature. Also not to mention the Arya bhata, Bhaskara, Brahma Gupta and the like; the mathematical astronomers and their Siddhantic texts, which too contributed for Ganita skanta (astrologia mathematics) . I think and assume that, this all point to the very fact that, all these> Sidhantas are discussing about seeing actual position (physical position) of planets â€" i.e. Suryadi Navagrahas (9 planets). It is more clear when they discuss about eclipses (with some non mathematical imaginary position I think it is not calculable as it is a visible reality). The Eclipse behavior, visibility, sparsha (touching, approaching)  and moksha (leaving, separating) periods and its duration, techniques to calculate it,  time of eclipse happening etc â€" all these doesn't make sense if the astrological Sidhantas like Surya Siddhanta is not speaking about real physical planets. So all these point to the fact that, they are all talking about real planetary positions â€" the Drik Siddhanta Sputa. If not (would Vinay Jha is true) even the so called beeja corrections are not required. This is not the case, all the above points together clearly shows that Vinay's arguments and approach (of considering Surya Siddhanta based planetary positions> only as spiritual unrelated to reality than physical reality) are totally wrong.> > > The  later day contribution of Aryabhata's followers is known as Parahita (means acceptable or liked by others - or it also means that it is acceptable to all people from far places too). It was widely used in computing ephemeris and birth charts and even calculating eclipses and all other astrological purposes. Again during later days, it is again found that even those calculations are differing from actual positions and Shri Parameshwara acharya (parameswaran nampoothiri) in 14th century (much before modern reminiscence in Europe) made some corrections after 55yrs research and hard work of astronomical observations, refined further all those calculations. The system he introduced came to be known as "Drik Ganita" (actual Planetary positions `as observed'). He also published one text called Grahana mandanam which explains the calculation method to arrive at correct planetary position of sun and moon at eclipses and its timing etc. His work is> otherwise also knows Drik Siddhanta and its mathematical calculation is known as Drik Ganita (termed `thiru ganita' in south in general).> > He explicitly tells us that he discussed only deviations happened in previous Sidhantas and knowledge of previous Sidhantas is a must and necessary. He requested all scholars to use this as an auxiliary only to those Sidhantas (such as Parahita system). H says  -> Viknjaya cha laghu thantram> drishtwa Golasya samstitheem Bahusa> ganakanam santhosha pradam> maya grahana mandanam kriyathe> (4th sloka in first chapter --grahana mandanam)> > So I think we should use the actual positions of planets and hence using modern nautical almanacs is also recommended for astrologers as I don't think in future anyone will devote their time for this kind of calculations, if it is already available with the help of modern tools. The only thing we should use and stick to is the predictive principles laid down by ancient sages.> > [i am asking forgiveness for mistakes committed by me in this article â€" if any. This is a wide subject is beyond my capacity and caliber. But still I tried an investigation from my side and invites scholarly opinion of other learned scholars and students. I invite all astrologers who has different opinions than me in group and I hope they may join and contribute for this discussions]> >

[Guest guest]

dear sreenadh ji

 

thanks for good words and support ,tho this article is also major contribution frm ur side .But realy i am worried abt ur welfare ( since most of the available free time is devoted for astrological writing ) ,since u r newly married and thinking abt the kerala martial artistic back ground of ur wife and her family

 

take care

 

rgrds sunil nair

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> Thanks for the good article and the knowledge shared through it.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji, Don't worry - she will be beat me up for this. She too know the value of time, and is now into some cooking and website making (website cooking!) experiments. I am even thinking why not make a website for cooking (my wife's favorite art), and testing (my and her professional art) as well - if she can manage it alone. Note: The creative satisfaction 'an article per day' gives is immense, whether it is own or editing done to the write-ups of friends. The says for authors is that - "An article per day keeps the intellect healthy". It provides wealth of knowledge to others. (add more statements about the benefits and defects as you like. )Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> dear sreenadh ji> thanks for good words and support ,tho this article is also major> contribution frm ur side .But realy i am worried abt ur welfare ( since> most of the available free time is devoted for astrological writing )> ,since u r newly married and thinking abt the kerala martial artistic> back ground of ur wife and her family [] [)]> take care> rgrds sunil nair> > > , "Sreenadh"> <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Thanks for the good article and the knowledge shared through it.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >>

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Dear Sunilji,

I must congratulate you on the well written article . However let us leave the “charlatans†alone. We cannot change them and their thinking. I think they will achieve their objective of “interfering†in a negative way with the astrological themes and discussions taking place in our site if we keep them in our mind. After all, we don’t have to “justify†the classics .

 

Prashna Marga also elucidates clearly that out of the six vedangas, viz, Jyothish Sastra

[ Eyes], Kalpam[Hands], Niruktam[Ear], Shiksha[Nose], Vyakaranam[Face], Chhanda Sastra [ Legs], Jyothish Sastra is the most important- “Sarvendriyanam Nayanam pradhanamâ€

 

Interestingly the book also specifies the “qualities†of the astrologer in four stanzas. I hope you will cover them also in your next article.

There are also five types of “griha yudham†mentioned in the text. Ullekham, bhedam, amsuvimardham, yudham and apavasyam. While the characteristics of these are mentioned, its effects are not spelt out. It would be great if our learned members can kindly elaborate on these.

 

Great work. Look forward for more such articles.

 

Warm regards,

Col.Chandran

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji,Really appreciate your good intentions and hard work to share your vast knowledge with us.Thank you. Each article provides rare insights and is worth reading many times over. And we ask for MORE!

RegardsNeelam2009/4/26 skm chandran <colchandran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sunilji,

I must congratulate you on the well written article . However let us leave the “charlatans” alone. We cannot change them and their thinking. I think they will achieve their objective of “interfering” in a negative way with the astrological themes and discussions taking place in our site if we keep them in our mind. After all, we don’t have to “justify” the classics .

 

Prashna Marga also elucidates clearly that out of the six vedangas, viz, Jyothish Sastra

[ Eyes], Kalpam[Hands], Niruktam[Ear], Shiksha[Nose], Vyakaranam[Face], Chhanda Sastra [ Legs], Jyothish  Sastra is the most important- “Sarvendriyanam Nayanam pradhanam”

 

Interestingly the book also specifies the “qualities” of the astrologer in four stanzas. I hope you will cover them also in your next article.

There are also five types of “griha yudham” mentioned in the text. Ullekham, bhedam, amsuvimardham, yudham and apavasyam. While the characteristics of these are mentioned, its effects are not spelt out. It would be great if our learned members can kindly elaborate on these.

 

Great work. Look forward for more such articles.

 

Warm regards,

Col.Chandran

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dear respected col chandran ji

 

many many thanks for ur good words and advice

u can expect article on graha yudha within 2 days and other article on qualitities of astrologer and duties of queriest will b writing in few days too there is so many article in embryo form and finish forme and need to b translated in english which convey full meaning of sanksrit and malayalam words

 

Many thanks once again

with deep regrds sunil nair

, skm chandran <colchandran wrote:>> > > Dear Sunilji,> I must congratulate you on the well written article . However let us leave the “charlatans†alone. We cannot change them and their thinking. I think they will achieve their objective of “interfering†in a negative way with the astrological themes and discussions taking place in our site if we keep them in our mind. After all, we don’t have to “justify†the classics . >  > Prashna Marga also elucidates clearly that out of the six vedangas, viz, Jyothish Sastra > [ Eyes], Kalpam[Hands], Niruktam[Ear], Shiksha[Nose], Vyakaranam[Face], Chhanda Sastra [ Legs], Jyothish Sastra is the most important- “Sarvendriyanam Nayanam pradhanamâ€>  > Interestingly the book also specifies the “qualities†of the astrologer in four stanzas. I hope you will cover them also in your next article. > There are also five types of “griha yudham†mentioned in the text. Ullekham, bhedam, amsuvimardham, yudham and apavasyam. While the characteristics of these are mentioned, its effects are not spelt out. It would be great if our learned members can kindly elaborate on these.>  > Great work. Look forward for more such articles.>  > Warm regards,> Col.Chandran>

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dear Neelam ji

 

sure ,thanks i will b writing more articles and try to share max knowledge waht ever i know ,i tried to translate the dasadyayi as directed by sriram srinivas ji and i find english language is not capable to hold it even the first shloka meanings as it may end up in 50 pages and still our lauguage is not able to convey it ,i tried help frm many many english educated highly qualified ppl and they said they cant .This is also one problem which is facing us

 

with rgrds sunil nair

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > Really appreciate your good intentions and hard work to share your vast> knowledge with us.> Thank you. Each article provides rare insights and is worth reading many> times over. And we ask for MORE!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/4/26 skm chandran colchandran > >> >> >> > Dear Sunilji,> >> > I must congratulate you on the well written article . However let us leave> > the "charlatans" alone. We cannot change them and their thinking. I think> > they will achieve their objective of "interfering" in a negative way with> > the astrological themes and discussions taking place in our site if we keep> > them in our mind. After all, we don't have to "justify" the classics .> >> >> >> > Prashna Marga also elucidates clearly that out of the six vedangas, viz,> > Jyothish Sastra> >> > [ Eyes], Kalpam[Hands], Niruktam[Ear], Shiksha[Nose], Vyakaranam[Face],> > Chhanda Sastra [ Legs], Jyothish Sastra is the most important-> > "Sarvendriyanam Nayanam pradhanam"> >> >> >> > Interestingly the book also specifies the "qualities" of the astrologer in> > four stanzas. I hope you will cover them also in your next article.> >> > There are also five types of "griha yudham" mentioned in the text.> > Ullekham, bhedam, amsuvimardham, yudham and apavasyam. While the> > characteristics of these are mentioned, its effects are not spelt out. It> > would be great if our learned members can kindly elaborate on these.> >> >> >> > Great work. Look forward for more such articles.> >> >> >> > Warm regards,> >> > Col.Chandran> >> > > >>

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Dear Sunilji,

Thank you for your kind reply. Caertainly looking forward to more articles from

you.

Warm regards,

Col.Chandran

 

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Re: Sidhantas in astrology-An enquiry tru

history of Jyothisha

 

Sunday, April 26, 2009, 3:54 PM

 

 

 

dear respected col chandran ji

 

many many thanks for ur good words and advice

u can expect article on graha yudha within 2 days and other article on

qualitities of astrologer and duties of queriest will b writing  in few days too

there is so many article in embryo form and finish forme  and need to b

translated in english which convey full meaning of sanksrit and malayalam words

 

Many thanks once again

with deep regrds sunil nair 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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