Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 dear group pls see this link also seasons can b attached to solar only http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madhu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevEE & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10 rgrds sunil nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Nairji, Seasons does not mean solar only, it also means lunar seasons.In dharma shatras lunar seasons are give the first priority.The vedic seasons were lunar only not solar.There were only lunar months as proven by vedanga jyotish. Hari Malla sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:04:27 PM madhu ,madhav is solar dear group pls see this link also seasons can b attached to solar only http://books. google.co. in/books? id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madhu+madhav+ months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9- BycI2MjQevEE & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj 3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10 rgrds sunil nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 I am sorry I couldn't keep my silence any longer..Can there be any academic doubt after someone has read pages 39-50 of the book that respected Sunil Nair-ji has posted in his mail??? I mentioned the word " academic " because if someone is closed in his/her mindset no logic can do any good to that individual...it is all a matter of choice! , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > dear group > > > > pls see this link > > > > also seasons can b attached to solar only > > > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madh\ > u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevEE\ > & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10 > <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=mad\ > hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevE\ > E & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=1\ > 0> > > > > rgrds sunil nair > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 souvik ji feel free to ask any doubts Months fit into solar seasons ( as seasons and ritus can b controlled by sun only ) these kaulians are simply waisting our time .Now if u use vedanga jyothisha parameters then madhu madhav now it is in dec and jan only ,and where it can b in vasantha ritu ?? it is obselet BC 1500 itself .This is happneing at some point of history both can b similar ( solar and lunar ) but we shud use our brain too even u read linga puran vedic rishies knows abt all various calenders and seasons they used it too the ppl who designed thithies and nakshtras knows every thing even yuga and mahayuga concept is for astronomical purpose and seeing mean position of planets too ,without sun degee (sun dgree -moon dgree/12 is thithi ,) thithi is not possible .without suns dgree even they cannot b sure when eclipses or even amavasya or pournamies .so how is it possible if they dont use sun and his dgrees and even rasies positions and mind it almanac is published earlier .I dont mean it is printed and circulated .but some rishi kulas like atri was very famous for it and they were heads of gavayamana sabhas who taught others all this calculation and panchangas . what is first mantra in rigveda ?? i was not disclosing all this -because they will find another way to twist it i posted some thing means whole book i dont need to support rgrds sunil nair , "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> I am sorry I couldn't keep my silence any longer..Can there be any academic doubt after someone has read pages 39-50 of the book that respected Sunil Nair-ji has posted in his mail??? I mentioned the word "academic" because if someone is closed in his/her mindset no logic can do any good to that individual...it is all a matter of choice!> > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > dear group> > > > > > > > pls see this link> > > > > > > > also seasons can b attached to solar only> > > > > > > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madh\> > u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevEE\> > & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10> > <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=mad\> > hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevE\> > E & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=1\> > 0>> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 dear sauvik ji sorry i misread ur mail then when i re read it only came to know that what u r meaning by academics doubts rgrds sunil nair , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > souvik ji> > > > feel free to ask any doubts> > Months fit into solar seasons ( as seasons and ritus can b controlled by> sun only ) these kaulians are simply waisting our time .Now if u use> vedanga jyothisha parameters then madhu madhav now it is in dec and jan> only ,and where it can b in vasantha ritu ?? it is obselet BC 1500> itself .This is happneing at some point of history both can b similar (> solar and lunar ) but we shud use our brain too> > even u read linga puran> > vedic rishies knows abt all various calenders and seasons> > they used it too> > the ppl who designed thithies and nakshtras knows every thing even yuga> and mahayuga concept is for astronomical purpose and seeing mean> position of planets too ,without sun degee (sun dgree -moon dgree/12 is> thithi ,) thithi is not possible .without suns dgree even they cannot b> sure when eclipses or even amavasya or pournamies .so how is it> possible if they dont use sun and his dgrees and even rasies positions> and mind it almanac is published earlier .I dont mean it is printed and> circulated .but some rishi kulas like atri was very famous for it and> they were heads of gavayamana sabhas who taught others all this> calculation and panchangas .> > what is first mantra in rigveda ??> > i was not disclosing all this -because they will find another way to> twist it> > i posted some thing means whole book i dont need to support> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > , "Souvik Dutta"> explore_vulcan@ wrote:> >> > I am sorry I couldn't keep my silence any longer..Can there be any> academic doubt after someone has read pages 39-50 of the book that> respected Sunil Nair-ji has posted in his mail??? I mentioned the word> "academic" because if someone is closed in his/her mindset no logic can> do any good to that individual...it is all a matter of choice!> >> > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > dear group> > >> > >> > >> > > pls see this link> > >> > >> > >> > > also seasons can b attached to solar only> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madh\> \> > >> u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevEE\> \> > >> & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10> > >> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=mad\> \> > >> hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevE\> \> > >> E & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=1\> \> > > 0>> > >> > >> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Sunil-ji, I don't disagree with you..I used the word " academic " opposed to " personal " ...we all may have biases (I am biased to the letter " A " ) but we should accept academic truths..and the book that you provided a link to should end all doubts about solar, lunar months...its there in the open Thanks again, Souvik , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > dear sauvik ji > > sorry i misread ur mail > > then when i re read it only came to know that what u r meaning by > academics doubts > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > souvik ji > > > > > > > > feel free to ask any doubts > > > > Months fit into solar seasons ( as seasons and ritus can b controlled > by > > sun only ) these kaulians are simply waisting our time .Now if u use > > vedanga jyothisha parameters then madhu madhav now it is in dec and > jan > > only ,and where it can b in vasantha ritu ?? it is obselet BC 1500 > > itself .This is happneing at some point of history both can b similar > ( > > solar and lunar ) but we shud use our brain too > > > > even u read linga puran > > > > vedic rishies knows abt all various calenders and seasons > > > > they used it too > > > > the ppl who designed thithies and nakshtras knows every thing even > yuga > > and mahayuga concept is for astronomical purpose and seeing mean > > position of planets too ,without sun degee (sun dgree -moon dgree/12 > is > > thithi ,) thithi is not possible .without suns dgree even they cannot > b > > sure when eclipses or even amavasya or pournamies .so how is it > > possible if they dont use sun and his dgrees and even rasies positions > > and mind it almanac is published earlier .I dont mean it is printed > and > > circulated .but some rishi kulas like atri was very famous for it and > > they were heads of gavayamana sabhas who taught others all this > > calculation and panchangas . > > > > what is first mantra in rigveda ?? > > > > i was not disclosing all this -because they will find another way to > > twist it > > > > i posted some thing means whole book i dont need to support > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Souvik Dutta " > > explore_vulcan@ wrote: > > > > > > I am sorry I couldn't keep my silence any longer..Can there be any > > academic doubt after someone has read pages 39-50 of the book that > > respected Sunil Nair-ji has posted in his mail??? I mentioned the word > > " academic " because if someone is closed in his/her mindset no logic > can > > do any good to that individual...it is all a matter of choice! > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls see this link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also seasons can b attached to solar only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madh\ > \ > > \ > > > > > > > u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevEE\ > \ > > \ > > > > > > > & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10 > > > > > > > <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=mad\ > \ > > \ > > > > > > > hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevE\ > \ > > \ > > > > > > > E & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=1\ > \ > > \ > > > > 0> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 dear sauvik ji Thanks . There is no culture without agriculture it says ,so long b4 this vedic hymns and all that A nomadic or fruit picking tribe society when turned into a river civilisation ( as all civilisations are based on one river ) then the agaiculture and its calenders happens ,so that is the first astronomical calnder then only all this spiritual festivals or calenders came into being . so mixing and mingling both is with evil mission only possible even the use of a siderial ( nasktra ) zodiacs for astrology happened because the point they find it is fixed ,any one can test it ,sun will b seeing the same point daily 3 minits 4 secnds earlier frm previous day ( it is the basis of ayanamsa ) ,means less 3 minits 4 secnds in 24 hrs ,where as if u see nakshtra as point u can see it exactly 24 hrs after also at same point u saw it previous day ,it is avilable after contuinous observation ,even the same observation will tell u a lot of abt earth and it s rotation and revolution etc and till u get revealed the earth is round in shape ( golakara prithwi ) where as they if they dont know tropical one they cannot use siderial zodiacs ( so it means hindus knows both zodiacs too ) but astrologicaly they can use siderial one only as concepts r diffrnt . this calendrical disguiced attacks r missionary induced to inject the inferiority complex in hindu youths ( unlike old generation new generation of english educated dont know abt religion and dharma ) and ppl ,as they the missionaries know value of hindu culture and knows it is main stumbling blocks in their mission .so any one joins with them can hav financial benefits too . if kaul wants a calender then see bengal even done in 1995 ,pls see my post on hindu panjika in this grp even one muslim was heading it i blv ,they were not running after astrologers and attack against predictiv astrology saying it is gimmick ,varahamihira is fraud ,surya sidhantha ( the grand father of all almanacs ) is monstrous error like this and all this astrological knowledge also we got frm greece, if not frm chaldeans ,if they cannot proov again atleast frm babylone etc . kutarkas in the name calender and vedas .. more later regrds sunil nair rgrds sunil nair , "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Sunil-ji,> I don't disagree with you..I used the word "academic" opposed to "personal"...we all may have biases (I am biased to the letter "A" ) but we should accept academic truths..and the book that you provided a link to should end all doubts about solar, lunar months...its there in the open > > Thanks again,> > Souvik> > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear sauvik ji> > > > sorry i misread ur mail> > > > then when i re read it only came to know that what u r meaning by> > academics doubts> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > , "sunil nair"> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > souvik ji> > >> > >> > >> > > feel free to ask any doubts> > >> > > Months fit into solar seasons ( as seasons and ritus can b controlled> > by> > > sun only ) these kaulians are simply waisting our time .Now if u use> > > vedanga jyothisha parameters then madhu madhav now it is in dec and> > jan> > > only ,and where it can b in vasantha ritu ?? it is obselet BC 1500> > > itself .This is happneing at some point of history both can b similar> > (> > > solar and lunar ) but we shud use our brain too> > >> > > even u read linga puran> > >> > > vedic rishies knows abt all various calenders and seasons> > >> > > they used it too> > >> > > the ppl who designed thithies and nakshtras knows every thing even> > yuga> > > and mahayuga concept is for astronomical purpose and seeing mean> > > position of planets too ,without sun degee (sun dgree -moon dgree/12> > is> > > thithi ,) thithi is not possible .without suns dgree even they cannot> > b> > > sure when eclipses or even amavasya or pournamies .so how is it> > > possible if they dont use sun and his dgrees and even rasies positions> > > and mind it almanac is published earlier .I dont mean it is printed> > and> > > circulated .but some rishi kulas like atri was very famous for it and> > > they were heads of gavayamana sabhas who taught others all this> > > calculation and panchangas .> > >> > > what is first mantra in rigveda ??> > >> > > i was not disclosing all this -because they will find another way to> > > twist it> > >> > > i posted some thing means whole book i dont need to support> > >> > >> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Souvik Dutta"> > > explore_vulcan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > I am sorry I couldn't keep my silence any longer..Can there be any> > > academic doubt after someone has read pages 39-50 of the book that> > > respected Sunil Nair-ji has posted in his mail??? I mentioned the word> > > "academic" because if someone is closed in his/her mindset no logic> > can> > > do any good to that individual...it is all a matter of choice!> > > >> > > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear group> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > pls see this link> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > also seasons can b attached to solar only> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madh\> > \> > > \> > > > >> > >> > u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevEE\> > \> > > \> > > > >> > >> > & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10> > > > >> > >> > <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=mad\> > \> > > \> > > > >> > >> > hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevE\> > \> > > \> > > > >> > >> > E & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=1\> > \> > > \> > > > > 0>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear Sunil-ji, Oh I agree! " varahamihira is fraud " If anyone calls this great man a fraud I will break his head...I recently read Brihat Samhita and re-read it many times over and every time my respect for this great man keeps increasing...I love him, I adore him and I worship him...the very tale how Mihira became Varahamihira itself makes us bow in reverence to his wisdom! ~ Souvik , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > dear sauvik ji > > > > Thanks . > > There is no culture without agriculture it says ,so long b4 this vedic > hymns and all that A nomadic or fruit picking tribe society when > turned into a river civilisation ( as all civilisations are based on one > river ) then the agaiculture and its calenders happens ,so that is the > first astronomical calnder then only all this spiritual festivals or > calenders came into being . > > so mixing and mingling both is with evil mission only possible > > even the use of a siderial ( nasktra ) zodiacs for astrology happened > because the point they find it is fixed ,any one can test it ,sun will > b seeing the same point daily 3 minits 4 secnds earlier frm previous day > ( it is the basis of ayanamsa ) ,means less 3 minits 4 secnds in 24 hrs > ,where as if u see nakshtra as point u can see it exactly 24 hrs after > also at same point u saw it previous day ,it is avilable after > contuinous observation ,even the same observation will tell u a lot of > abt earth and it s rotation and revolution etc and till u get revealed > the earth is round in shape ( golakara prithwi ) > > > > where as they if they dont know tropical one they cannot use siderial > zodiacs ( so it means hindus knows both zodiacs too ) but astrologicaly > they can use siderial one only as concepts r diffrnt . > > this calendrical disguiced attacks r missionary induced to inject the > inferiority complex in hindu youths ( unlike old generation new > generation of english educated dont know abt religion and dharma ) and > ppl ,as they the missionaries know value of hindu culture and knows it > is main stumbling blocks in their mission .so any one joins with them > can hav financial benefits too . > > if kaul wants a calender then see bengal even done in 1995 ,pls see my > post on hindu panjika in this grp even one muslim was heading it i blv > ,they were not running after astrologers and attack against predictiv > astrology saying it is gimmick ,varahamihira is fraud ,surya sidhantha > ( the grand father of all almanacs ) is monstrous error like this and > all this astrological knowledge also we got frm greece, if not frm > chaldeans ,if they cannot proov again atleast frm babylone etc . > kutarkas in the name calender and vedas .. > > more later > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > , " Souvik Dutta " > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > Sunil-ji, > > I don't disagree with you..I used the word " academic " opposed to > " personal " ...we all may have biases (I am biased to the letter " A " ) > but we should accept academic truths..and the book that you provided a > link to should end all doubts about solar, lunar months...its there in > the open > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Souvik > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sauvik ji > > > > > > sorry i misread ur mail > > > > > > then when i re read it only came to know that what u r meaning by > > > academics doubts > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > souvik ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel free to ask any doubts > > > > > > > > Months fit into solar seasons ( as seasons and ritus can b > controlled > > > by > > > > sun only ) these kaulians are simply waisting our time .Now if u > use > > > > vedanga jyothisha parameters then madhu madhav now it is in dec > and > > > jan > > > > only ,and where it can b in vasantha ritu ?? it is obselet BC 1500 > > > > itself .This is happneing at some point of history both can b > similar > > > ( > > > > solar and lunar ) but we shud use our brain too > > > > > > > > even u read linga puran > > > > > > > > vedic rishies knows abt all various calenders and seasons > > > > > > > > they used it too > > > > > > > > the ppl who designed thithies and nakshtras knows every thing even > > > yuga > > > > and mahayuga concept is for astronomical purpose and seeing mean > > > > position of planets too ,without sun degee (sun dgree -moon > dgree/12 > > > is > > > > thithi ,) thithi is not possible .without suns dgree even they > cannot > > > b > > > > sure when eclipses or even amavasya or pournamies .so how is it > > > > possible if they dont use sun and his dgrees and even rasies > positions > > > > and mind it almanac is published earlier .I dont mean it is > printed > > > and > > > > circulated .but some rishi kulas like atri was very famous for it > and > > > > they were heads of gavayamana sabhas who taught others all this > > > > calculation and panchangas . > > > > > > > > what is first mantra in rigveda ?? > > > > > > > > i was not disclosing all this -because they will find another way > to > > > > twist it > > > > > > > > i posted some thing means whole book i dont need to support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Souvik Dutta " > > > > explore_vulcan@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry I couldn't keep my silence any longer..Can there be > any > > > > academic doubt after someone has read pages 39-50 of the book that > > > > respected Sunil Nair-ji has posted in his mail??? I mentioned the > word > > > > " academic " because if someone is closed in his/her mindset no > logic > > > can > > > > do any good to that individual...it is all a matter of choice! > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls see this link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also seasons can b attached to solar only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madh\ > \ > > > \ > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevEE\ > \ > > > \ > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=mad\ > \ > > > \ > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevE\ > \ > > > \ > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=1\ > \ > > > \ > > > > \ > > > > > > 0> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: dear sauvik ji Thanks . There is no culture without agriculture it says ,so long b4 this vedic hymns and all that A nomadic or fruit picking tribe society when turned into a river civilisation ( as all civilisations are based on one river ) then the agaiculture and its calenders happens ,so that is the first astronomical calnder then only all this spiritual festivals or calenders came into being . so mixing and mingling both is with evil mission only possible even the use of a siderial ( nasktra ) zodiacs for astrology happened because the point they find it is fixed ,any one can test it ,sun will b seeing the same point daily 3 minits 4 secnds earlier frm previous day ( it is the basis of ayanamsa ) ,means less 3 minits 4 secnds in 24 hrs ,where as if u see nakshtra as point u can see it exactly 24 hrs after also at same point u saw it previous day ,it is avilable after contuinous observation ,even the same observation will tell u a lot of abt earth and it s rotation and revolution etc and till u get revealed the earth is round in shape ( golakara prithwi ) where as they if they dont know tropical one they cannot use siderial zodiacs ( so it means hindus knows both zodiacs too ) but astrologicaly they can use siderial one only as concepts r diffrnt . this calendrical disguiced attacks r missionary induced to inject the inferiority complex in hindu youths ( unlike old generation new generation of english educated dont know abt religion and dharma ) and ppl ,as they the missionaries know value of hindu culture and knows it is main stumbling blocks in their mission .so any one joins with them can hav financial benefits too . if kaul wants a calender then see bengal even done in 1995 ,pls see my post on hindu panjika in this grp even one muslim was heading it i blv ,they were not running after astrologers and attack against predictiv astrology saying it is gimmick ,varahamihira is fraud ,surya sidhantha ( the grand father of all almanacs ) is monstrous error like this and all this astrological knowledge also we got frm greece, if not frm chaldeans ,if they cannot proov again atleast frm babylone etc . kutarkas in the name calender and vedas .. more later regrds sunil nair rgrds sunil nair , " Souvik Dutta " explore_vulcan@ wrote: > > Sunil-ji, > I don't disagree with you..I used the word " academic " opposed to " personal " ...we all may have biases (I am biased to the letter " A " ) but we should accept academic truths..and the book that you provided a link to should end all doubts about solar, lunar months...its there in the open > > Thanks again, > > Souvik > > , " sunil nair " astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear sauvik ji > > > > sorry i misread ur mail > > > > then when i re read it only came to know that what u r meaning by > > academics doubts > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > souvik ji > > > > > > > > > > > > feel free to ask any doubts > > > > > > Months fit into solar seasons ( as seasons and ritus can b controlled > > by > > > sun only ) these kaulians are simply waisting our time .Now if u use > > > vedanga jyothisha parameters then madhu madhav now it is in dec and > > jan > > > only ,and where it can b in vasantha ritu ?? it is obselet BC 1500 > > > itself .This is happneing at some point of history both can b similar > > ( > > > solar and lunar ) but we shud use our brain too > > > > > > even u read linga puran > > > > > > vedic rishies knows abt all various calenders and seasons > > > > > > they used it too > > > > > > the ppl who designed thithies and nakshtras knows every thing even > > yuga > > > and mahayuga concept is for astronomical purpose and seeing mean > > > position of planets too ,without sun degee (sun dgree -moon dgree/12 > > is > > > thithi ,) thithi is not possible .without suns dgree even they cannot > > b > > > sure when eclipses or even amavasya or pournamies .so how is it > > > possible if they dont use sun and his dgrees and even rasies positions > > > and mind it almanac is published earlier .I dont mean it is printed > > and > > > circulated .but some rishi kulas like atri was very famous for it and > > > they were heads of gavayamana sabhas who taught others all this > > > calculation and panchangas . > > > > > > what is first mantra in rigveda ?? > > > > > > i was not disclosing all this -because they will find another way to > > > twist it > > > > > > i posted some thing means whole book i dont need to support > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Souvik Dutta " > > > explore_vulcan@ wrote: > > > > > > > > I am sorry I couldn't keep my silence any longer..Can there be any > > > academic doubt after someone has read pages 39-50 of the book that > > > respected Sunil Nair-ji has posted in his mail??? I mentioned the word > > > " academic " because if someone is closed in his/her mindset no logic > > can > > > do any good to that individual...it is all a matter of choice! > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls see this link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also seasons can b attached to solar only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madh\ \ \ > > \ > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevEE\ \ \ > > \ > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10 > > > > > > > > > > <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=mad\ \ \ > > \ > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9-BycI2MjQevE\ \ \ > > \ > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > E & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=1\ \ \ > > \ > > > \ > > > > > 0> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear members, It is a delight to see deliberate wayward arguments of Mr. Avatar Krishen Kaul shooting at bullet proof vests of Mr. Sunil(s) Bhattacharya let me highlight few humor notes in lighter veins to soothen the nerves of members engaged in this great solar system debates... Astro_Dimension: Astro aspirants should look into Rahu's position + 5H + Moon+ Mercury in Mr. Avatar Krishen Kaul for his single minded devotion in promoting his views, with least consideration or replies to counter queries or answers provided to them. 1) India borrowed Astrology from- Greeks before they went into memory lapse 2) India borrowed Solar system concept from- Greeks when they stopped doing any further research for want of brainy minds i.e. H1B Visa quota was blocked due to recession in Greece 3) Greece lacked funds and could not get IMF loan to continue research on Solar system, India took over the research through the BPO's established 4) Europeans were the Aryans who invaded India and continue to progress as Brahmins i.e. when a big Meteorite & HIV virus + disease causing attacked them { refer Old Testament - Genesis } 5) Romans were most civilized societies of their days - so they strongly believed in capital punishment, which unfortunately Hindus did not copy for some brain tumor reasons (in this case) 6) Romans hanging or crucifying those defying their orders or more popular or not worshipping their Gods or the Roman Emperor is another hallmark of civilization unparalleled in any other history 7) Every physical entity has a replica of it in astra entity known only to those who have followed Brahmacharya with Brain Tumor { based o scientific study by parapsychologists - who have created Out-Of-Body-Experiences in Lab conditions} 8) Heaven + Hell rejected Souls came from Europe were born in India as Avatars, with past holocaust memories of solar system intact continuing their crusade from where they left earlier i.e. fighting with Mr. Sunil(s) {Nairs + Bhattacharyas} 9) Similarities in Roman Kings / Emperor in their brutal capital punishments on all who defied their orders / commands similar to Hindy mythology Rakshasas who after getting special powers through boons/wishes granted to them - mortally immortal death wishes - who chased / harrassed their cousins i.e. demi-gods 10) Varahamihira is a fraudster, Surya Siddhanta is a fraud, only Mr. Avatar Krishen Kaul is the messiah {akin to Moses of Old Testament} of calendar reforms With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Sunilji and Souvikji, The truth must be accepted with careful analysis.It is not just a matter of agriculture and spiritual festivals.It is also natural date keeping.The solar year is natural because of seasons, the longest day and shortest day..But coming to the months and date keeping, the lunar month is natural and the visual phases of the moon is the nature's date keeper.The solar months are artificially made later on for convenience only and are not natural.Thus when you say madhu madhav is solar months,you are defying all records of history, scriptures,and common sense.Thank you, Yours, Hari Malla Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:39:31 AM Re: madhu ,madhav is solar Dear Sunil-ji,Oh I agree!"varahamihira is fraud"If anyone calls this great man a fraud I will break his head...I recently read Brihat Samhita and re-read it many times over and every time my respect for this great man keeps increasing.. .I love him, I adore him and I worship him...the very tale how Mihira became Varahamihira itself makes us bow in reverence to his wisdom!~ Souvikancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > dear sauvik ji> > > > Thanks .> > There is no culture without agriculture it says ,so long b4 this vedic> hymns and all that A nomadic or fruit picking tribe society when> turned into a river civilisation ( as all civilisations are based on one> river ) then the agaiculture and its calenders happens ,so that is the> first astronomical calnder then only all this spiritual festivals or> calenders came into being .> > so mixing and mingling both is with evil mission only possible> > even the use of a siderial ( nasktra ) zodiacs for astrology happened> because the point they find it is fixed ,any one can test it ,sun will> b seeing the same point daily 3 minits 4 secnds earlier frm previous day> ( it is the basis of ayanamsa ) ,means less 3 minits 4 secnds in 24 hrs> ,where as if u see nakshtra as point u can see it exactly 24 hrs after> also at same point u saw it previous day ,it is avilable after> contuinous observation ,even the same observation will tell u a lot of> abt earth and it s rotation and revolution etc and till u get revealed> the earth is round in shape ( golakara prithwi )> > > > where as they if they dont know tropical one they cannot use siderial> zodiacs ( so it means hindus knows both zodiacs too ) but astrologicaly> they can use siderial one only as concepts r diffrnt .> > this calendrical disguiced attacks r missionary induced to inject the> inferiority complex in hindu youths ( unlike old generation new> generation of english educated dont know abt religion and dharma ) and> ppl ,as they the missionaries know value of hindu culture and knows it> is main stumbling blocks in their mission .so any one joins with them> can hav financial benefits too .> > if kaul wants a calender then see bengal even done in 1995 ,pls see my> post on hindu panjika in this grp even one muslim was heading it i blv> ,they were not running after astrologers and attack against predictiv> astrology saying it is gimmick ,varahamihira is fraud ,surya sidhantha> ( the grand father of all almanacs ) is monstrous error like this and> all this astrological knowledge also we got frm greece, if not frm> chaldeans ,if they cannot proov again atleast frm babylone etc .> kutarkas in the name calender and vedas ..> > more later> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Souvik Dutta"> <explore_vulcan@ > wrote:> >> > Sunil-ji,> > I don't disagree with you..I used the word "academic" opposed to> "personal".. .we all may have biases (I am biased to the letter "A" )> but we should accept academic truths...and the book that you provided a> link to should end all doubts about solar, lunar months...its there in> the open > >> > Thanks again,> >> > Souvik> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > dear sauvik ji> > >> > > sorry i misread ur mail> > >> > > then when i re read it only came to know that what u r meaning by> > > academics doubts> > >> > >> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > souvik ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > feel free to ask any doubts> > > >> > > > Months fit into solar seasons ( as seasons and ritus can b> controlled> > > by> > > > sun only ) these kaulians are simply waisting our time .Now if u> use> > > > vedanga jyothisha parameters then madhu madhav now it is in dec> and> > > jan> > > > only ,and where it can b in vasantha ritu ?? it is obselet BC 1500> > > > itself ..This is happneing at some point of history both can b> similar> > > (> > > > solar and lunar ) but we shud use our brain too> > > >> > > > even u read linga puran> > > >> > > > vedic rishies knows abt all various calenders and seasons> > > >> > > > they used it too> > > >> > > > the ppl who designed thithies and nakshtras knows every thing even> > > yuga> > > > and mahayuga concept is for astronomical purpose and seeing mean> > > > position of planets too ,without sun degee (sun dgree -moon> dgree/12> > > is> > > > thithi ,) thithi is not possible .without suns dgree even they> cannot> > > b> > > > sure when eclipses or even amavasya or pournamies .so how is it> > > > possible if they dont use sun and his dgrees and even rasies> positions> > > > and mind it almanac is published earlier .I dont mean it is> printed> > > and> > > > circulated .but some rishi kulas like atri was very famous for it> and> > > > they were heads of gavayamana sabhas who taught others all this> > > > calculation and panchangas .> > > >> > > > what is first mantra in rigveda ??> > > >> > > > i was not disclosing all this -because they will find another way> to> > > > twist it> > > >> > > > i posted some thing means whole book i dont need to support> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Souvik Dutta"> > > > explore_vulcan@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > I am sorry I couldn't keep my silence any longer..Can there be> any> > > > academic doubt after someone has read pages 39-50 of the book that> > > > respected Sunil Nair-ji has posted in his mail??? I mentioned the> word> > > > "academic" because if someone is closed in his/her mindset no> logic> > > can> > > > do any good to that individual.. .it is all a matter of choice!> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear group> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > pls see this link> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > also seasons can b attached to solar only> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> http://books. google.co. in/books? id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg= PA50 & dq=madh\> \> > > \> > > > \> > > > > >> > > >> > >> u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4 K9-BycI2MjQevEE\> \> > > \> > > > \> > > > > >> > > >> > >> & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMF I6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_ result & ct= result & resnum= 10> > > > > >> > > >> > >> <http://books. google.co. in/books? id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg= PA50 & dq=mad\> \> > > \> > > > \> > > > > >> > > >> > >> hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4 K9-BycI2MjQevE\> \> > > \> > > > \> > > > > >> > > >> > >> E & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOM FI6PkAXj3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_ result & ct= result & resnum= 1\> \> > > \> > > > \> > > > > > 0>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Hari Malla-ji, Lets take it step by step, shall we? Trust me when I say I am not closed minded, but like all humans I have biases and have the guts to accept it. However, if you can show me something with logic I will accept it. I have done it in the past. Inder Vohra (blessed man, hope he is doing good) introduced me to KP. I had my biases but I learned it and accepted its merit. I don't know anyone personally here and neither does anyone know me (of course apart from a few I am friends with), so no personal disagreement with you. Now, you say that madhu madhav are not solar months. I want to know if you consider Chaitra, Magha, Phalgun as solar months. If no, then please let us know what do you consider them as. Lets progress step by step and logically. Thanks Souvik , Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: > > Dear Sunilji and Souvikji, > The truth must be accepted with careful analysis.It is not just a matter of agriculture and spiritual festivals.It is also natural date keeping.The solar year is natural because of seasons, the longest day and shortest day.But coming to the months and date keeping, the lunar month is natural and the visual phases of the moon is the nature's date keeper.The solar months are artificially made later on for convenience only and are not natural.Thus when you say madhu madhav is solar months,you are defying all records of history, scriptures,and common sense.Thank you, > Yours, > Hari Malla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Sreeram-ji, 2) India borrowed Solar system concept from- Greeks when they stopped doing any further research for want of brainy minds i.e. H1B Visa quota was blocked due to recession in Greece Loved it... Souvik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: dear group see here in linga purana again says Madhu madhava are solar seasonal months than anything to do with lunar ,other wise we r calling our rishies ,vedic rishies ( its what kaulians wants secretly tho acting like promoting dharma and by acting black cat special protection commando s of hindu god s apparently ) dont know abt solar or sun and has no concept of sun and its movmnts etc etc and finaly all astrology we got frm west actualy we this astro forum is not a clander reformation forum which shud b done by Govtmnt or dharma acharyas ( if kaul is one we dont hav any objuctions against him too ) so here is the link http://books.google.co.in/books?id=zhIbyxoxHMgC & pg=PA39 & lpg=PA39 & dq=madh\ \ u+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=twVTTMeRgn & sig=AWXpO1U14AJrYADzYdEvqtbbJz0\ \ & hl=en & ei=p23sSfG_LMuUkAXe7JyoCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#\ \ PPA25,M1 <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=zhIbyxoxHMgC & pg=PA39 & lpg=PA39 & dq=mad\ \ hu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=twVTTMeRgn & sig=AWXpO1U14AJrYADzYdEvqtbbJz\ \ 0 & hl=en & ei=p23sSfG_LMuUkAXe7JyoCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3\ \ #PPA25,M1> read and enjoy and understand also kaulian agenda's rgrds sunil nair --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Sreeram Srinivasji, La-jawab Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Souvik Duttaji, I am very happy to get your careful response.This is a very good spirit indeed.I will tell you whatever I know in earnestness.The step by step method is the best. Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months.But since the advent of the rashis and the lunar months are now a days controlled by the rashis,It is also customary nowdays to call the solar rashi months of Mesh,Vrish also as Chaitra, Baisakh etc.Although technically not correct it is in normal use to call them saura Chaitra, saura Baishakh etc.The addition of the word 'saura' makes it solar wihout doubt. Thank you, Regards' Hari Malla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Hari Malla-ji, I am also very thankful to you for agreeing to my request. " Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months. " Excellent! For a moon to be full it has to oppose the Sun with a 180 degree between them. This should be true in 5000 BCE as it would be in 5000 CE (or in other words irrespective of time) as long as the Sun and Moon and Earth are still present! Please let me know if you agree with this. Thanks Souvik , Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: > > Dear Souvik Duttaji, > I am very happy to get your careful response.This is a very good spirit indeed.I will tell you whatever I know in earnestness.The step by step method is the best. > Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months.But since the advent of the rashis and the lunar months are now a days controlled by the rashis,It is also customary nowdays to call the solar rashi months of Mesh,Vrish also as Chaitra, Baisakh etc.Although technically not correct it is in normal use to call them saura Chaitra, saura Baishakh etc.The addition of the word 'saura' makes it solar wihout doubt. > Thank you, > Regards' > Hari Malla > > > > > ________________________________ > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:05:36 AM > Re: madhu ,madhav is solar > > > > > > Dear Hari Malla-ji, > > Lets take it step by step, shall we? Trust me when I say I am not closed minded, but like all humans I have biases and have the guts to accept it. However, if you can show me something with logic I will accept it. I have done it in the past. Inder Vohra (blessed man, hope he is doing good) introduced me to KP. I had my biases but I learned it and accepted its merit. I don't know anyone personally here and neither does anyone know me (of course apart from a few I am friends with), so no personal disagreement with you. > > Now, you say that madhu madhav are not solar months. > > I want to know if you consider Chaitra, Magha, Phalgun as solar months. If no, then please let us know what do you consider them as. > > Lets progress step by step and logically. > > Thanks > > Souvik > ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunilji and Souvikji, > > The truth must be accepted with careful analysis.It is not just a matter of agriculture and spiritual festivals.It is also natural date keeping.The solar year is natural because of seasons, the longest day and shortest day.But coming to the months and date keeping, the lunar month is natural and the visual phases of the moon is the nature's date keeper.The solar months are artificially made later on for convenience only and are not natural.Thus when you say madhu madhav is solar months,you are defying all records of history, scriptures,and common sense.Thank you, > > Yours, > > Hari Malla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Obviously it has to be solar because these months represent the seasons. Naumi tithi Madhu maas punita....remember when Tulasi Das ji describes birth of Lord Ram. regards, Manoj --- On Mon, 4/20/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala madhu ,madhav is solar Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:49 PM dear group pls see this link also seasons can b attached to solar only http://books. google.co. in/books? id=N3DE3GAyqcEC & pg=PA50 & lpg=PA50 & dq=madhu+madhav+ months & source=bl & ots=cxYRab3KeW & sig=f09hMMzIwDC4K9- BycI2MjQevEE & hl=en & ei=w2DsSZOMFI6PkAXj 3K2mCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=10 rgrds sunil nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Ha...Ha.... Srinivas ji, well Said! :=) I enjoyed it. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear members, > > It is a delight to see deliberate wayward arguments of Mr. Avatar > Krishen Kaul shooting at bullet proof vests of Mr. Sunil(s) Bhattacharya > let me highlight few humor notes in lighter veins to soothen the nerves > of members engaged in this great solar system debates... > > Astro_Dimension: Astro aspirants should look into Rahu's position + 5H + > Moon+ Mercury in Mr. Avatar Krishen Kaul for his single minded devotion > in promoting his views, with least consideration or replies to counter > queries or answers provided to them. > > 1) India borrowed Astrology from- Greeks before they went into memory > lapse > > 2) India borrowed Solar system concept from- Greeks when they stopped > doing any further research for want of brainy minds i.e. H1B Visa quota > was blocked due to recession in Greece > > 3) Greece lacked funds and could not get IMF loan to continue research > on Solar system, India took over the research through the BPO's > established > > 4) Europeans were the Aryans who invaded India and continue to progress > as Brahmins i.e. when a big Meteorite & HIV virus + disease causing > attacked them { refer Old Testament - Genesis } > > 5) Romans were most civilized societies of their days - so they strongly > believed in capital punishment, which unfortunately Hindus did not copy > for some brain tumor reasons (in this case) > > 6) Romans hanging or crucifying those defying their orders or more > popular or not worshipping their Gods or the Roman Emperor is another > hallmark of civilization unparalleled in any other history > > 7) Every physical entity has a replica of it in astra entity known only > to those who have followed Brahmacharya with Brain Tumor { based o > scientific study by parapsychologists - who have created > Out-Of-Body-Experiences in Lab conditions} > > 8) Heaven + Hell rejected Souls came from Europe were born in India as > Avatars, with past holocaust memories of solar system intact continuing > their crusade from where they left earlier i.e. fighting with Mr. > Sunil(s) {Nairs + Bhattacharyas} > > 9) Similarities in Roman Kings / Emperor in their brutal capital > punishments on all who defied their orders / commands similar to Hindy > mythology Rakshasas who after getting special powers through > boons/wishes granted to them - mortally immortal death wishes - who > chased / harrassed their cousins i.e. demi-gods > > 10) Varahamihira is a fraudster, Surya Siddhanta is a fraud, only Mr. > Avatar Krishen Kaul is the messiah {akin to Moses of Old Testament} of > calendar reforms > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear All, Unlike the popular belief - Isha, Urja = Vasanta Tapa, Tapasya = Greeshma Madhu, Madhava = Varsha Nabha, Nabhasya = Sarat Sukra, Suchi = Hemanta Saha, Sahasya = Sisira Can you guess why? One reason - simply because the Vedic sages are not fools to call Sisira (cold winter season) as Tapa - Tapasya (meaning Hot seasons)! As per many ancient texts Tapa and Tapasya are names ascribed to Hot season i.e. Greeshma. This also means that Madhu and Madhava are NOT names given to flowering season (Vasanta) but names given to raining season (Varsha). Is it not from the above naming that it is only Vasanta that has name without any similarity (Isha and Urja) and also that there is only one month name among all the 12 of the above with the meaning "Beginning"?! (Check your Sanskrit dictionaries). Is it not clear that why a month almost in tune with Pushya Nakshtra or Cancer Sign is termed Madhu or Madhava (a location of honey bees; the presence of a nebula in the sky)? If we cannot see these straight or similar possibilities - what kind of study we are doing? P.S: Vedic calendar or Vedic sayana astrology is NOT our prime area of concern. But if we touch it, we should be uninhimited and should go by our straight logic and the ancient (oldest) info available to us. The froudulant calls should not deviate our attention from staight reasoning, clear logic and direct evidance. Usually there is no need of complicating things too much. I am NOT an expert in Vedic calendar or Vedic Sayana atrology - but for sure if I start touching them, then will touch it uninhibitted and will try to provide better clarity in the areas I touch upon (similar to the Karana study etc I have done earlier). Love and regards, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 dear group see here in linga purana again says Madhu madhava are solar seasonal months than anything to do with lunar ,other wise we r calling our rishies ,vedic rishies ( its what kaulians wants secretly tho acting like promoting dharma and by acting black cat special protection commando s of hindu god s apparently ) dont know abt solar or sun and has no concept of sun and its movmnts etc etc and finaly all astrology we got frm west actualy we this astro forum is not a clander reformation forum which shud b done by Govtmnt or dharma acharyas ( if kaul is one we dont hav any objuctions against him too ) so here is the link http://books.google.co.in/books?id=zhIbyxoxHMgC & pg=PA39 & lpg=PA39 & dq=madhu+madhav+months & source=bl & ots=twVTTMeRgn & sig=AWXpO1U14AJrYADzYdEvqtbbJz0 & hl=en & ei=p23sSfG_LMuUkAXe7JyoCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#PPA25,M1 read and enjoy and understand also kaulian agenda's rgrds sunil nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Souvik Duttaji, You are quite right.The sankrantis are where the rashis meet and 180 degrees to the sankranits, we have the corresponding full moons.But it so happens that the full moons do not remain fixed at the sankrantis, but fluctuate 15 days before and after the sankrantis due to the one month of adhimas.for example, Mesh sankranti is the middle point of Chaitra fullmoon.This means 180 degrees from the mesh sankranti, we have the mid point of chitraa nakshyatra too.The full moon of chaitra fluctuates between 16th of saura chaitra to 15th of saura vaisakh approximately.Or Mesh sankranti is the middle or mean position of vaisakh full moon.If not disturbed this will be true even 5000AD, if not disturbed.This is what I believe in, unless proved otherwise.Thank you. Regards, Hari Malla Souvik Dutta explore_vulcan Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:48:36 AM Re: madhu ,madhav is solar Dear Hari Malla-ji,I am also very thankful to you for agreeing to my request. "Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months."Excellent! For a moon to be full it has to oppose the Sun with a 180 degree between them. This should be true in 5000 BCE as it would be in 5000 CE (or in other words irrespective of time) as long as the Sun and Moon and Earth are still present! Please let me know if you agree with this. ThanksSouvikancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Souvik Duttaji,> I am very happy to get your careful response.This is a very good spirit indeed.I will tell you whatever I know in earnestness. The step by step method is the best.> Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months.But since the advent of the rashis and the lunar months are now a days controlled by the rashis,It is also customary nowdays to call the solar rashi months of Mesh,Vrish also as Chaitra, Baisakh etc.Although technically not correct it is in normal use to call them saura Chaitra, saura Baishakh etc.The addition of the word 'saura' makes it solar wihout doubt.> Thank you,> Regards'> Hari Malla> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:05:36 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: madhu ,madhav is solar> > > > > > Dear Hari Malla-ji,> > Lets take it step by step, shall we? Trust me when I say I am not closed minded, but like all humans I have biases and have the guts to accept it. However, if you can show me something with logic I will accept it. I have done it in the past. Inder Vohra (blessed man, hope he is doing good) introduced me to KP. I had my biases but I learned it and accepted its merit. I don't know anyone personally here and neither does anyone know me (of course apart from a few I am friends with), so no personal disagreement with you.> > Now, you say that madhu madhav are not solar months.> > I want to know if you consider Chaitra, Magha, Phalgun as solar months. If no, then please let us know what do you consider them as.> > Lets progress step by step and logically.> > Thanks> > Souvik> ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunilji and Souvikji,> > The truth must be accepted with careful analysis.It is not just a matter of agriculture and spiritual festivals.It is also natural date keeping.The solar year is natural because of seasons, the longest day and shortest day.But coming to the months and date keeping, the lunar month is natural and the visual phases of the moon is the nature's date keeper.The solar months are artificially made later on for convenience only and are not natural.Thus when you say madhu madhav is solar months,you are defying all records of history, scriptures,and common sense.Thank you,> > Yours,> > Hari Malla> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Hari Malla-ji, Thank you for responding. Again, my understanding is limited so at a time I can just concenrate on only one aspect. So, please bear with me. Lets leave sankranti for now. Lets just concentrate on the months, even better let us concentrate on only 1 month, Chaitra, ok? I promise to you, I will come to sankranti too. Please just give me some time. I am glad we are in agreement that for full moon to happen Sun and Moon should be 180 Degree apart. Now, please do let me know if you agree that Moon traverses 1 nakshtra a day. Please do let me know. Again, step by step for my own benefit. Please bear with me. Regards, Souvik , Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: > > Dear Souvik Duttaji, > You are quite right.The sankrantis are where the rashis meet and 180 degrees to the sankranits, we have the corresponding full moons.But it so happens that the full moons do not remain fixed at the sankrantis, but fluctuate 15 days before and after the sankrantis due to the one month of adhimas.for example, Mesh sankranti is the middle point of Chaitra fullmoon.This means 180 degrees from the mesh sankranti, we have the mid point of chitraa nakshyatra too.The full moon of chaitra fluctuates between 16th of saura chaitra to 15th of saura vaisakh approximately.Or Mesh sankranti is the middle or mean position of vaisakh full moon. > If not disturbed this will be true even 5000AD, if not disturbed.This is what I believe in, unless proved otherwise.Thank you. > Regards, > Hari Malla > > > ________________________________ > > Souvik Dutta explore_vulcan > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:48:36 AM > Re: madhu ,madhav is solar > > > > > Dear Hari Malla-ji, > I am also very thankful to you for agreeing to my request. > " > Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months. > " > Excellent! For a moon to be full it has to oppose the Sun with a 180 degree between them. This should be true in 5000 BCE as it would be in 5000 CE (or in other words irrespective of time) as long as the Sun and Moon and Earth are still present! > Please let me know if you agree with this. > Thanks > Souvik > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Souvik Duttaji, > > I am very happy to get your careful response.This is a very good spirit indeed.I will tell you whatever I know in earnestness. The step by step method is the best. > > Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months.But since the advent of the rashis and the lunar months are now a days controlled by the rashis,It is also customary nowdays to call the solar rashi months of Mesh,Vrish also as Chaitra, Baisakh etc.Although technically not correct it is in normal use to call them saura Chaitra, saura Baishakh etc.The addition of the word 'saura' makes it solar wihout doubt. > > Thank you, > > Regards' > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:05:36 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: madhu ,madhav is solar > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari Malla-ji, > > > > Lets take it step by step, shall we? Trust me when I say I am not closed minded, but like all humans I have biases and have the guts to accept it. However, if you can show me something with logic I will accept it. I have done it in the past. Inder Vohra (blessed man, hope he is doing good) introduced me to KP. I had my biases but I learned it and accepted its merit. I don't know anyone personally here and neither does anyone know me (of course apart from a few I am friends with), so no personal disagreement with you. > > > > Now, you say that madhu madhav are not solar months. > > > > I want to know if you consider Chaitra, Magha, Phalgun as solar months. If no, then please let us know what do you consider them as. > > > > Lets progress step by step and logically. > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunilji and Souvikji, > > > The truth must be accepted with careful analysis.It is not just a matter of agriculture and spiritual festivals.It is also natural date keeping.The solar year is natural because of seasons, the longest day and shortest day.But coming to the months and date keeping, the lunar month is natural and the visual phases of the moon is the nature's date keeper.The solar months are artificially made later on for convenience only and are not natural.Thus when you say madhu madhav is solar months,you are defying all records of history, scriptures,and common sense.Thank you, > > > Yours, > > > Hari Malla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Dear Sreenadhji, Thank you for the informative mail. In fact in the absence of any direct statement in the shastras one could interpret as one liked. I learnt earlier that as Tapa generates heat the two month period starting from the Winter Solstice is ideal for Tapa and hence these two months were called tapa and Tapasya. Similarly I learnt that as honey bee is active in collecting honey (madhu) from the flowers in the spring season the two months during the period of the spring season were called Madhu and Madhava. Thank you again for showing the straight possibilities and the etymological approach to the nomenclature of the ritu-based months. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Dear Souvk Duttaji, You are quite right.the nakshyatras traverse one nakshyatra every day.It traverses all the 27 nakshyatras in 27 days in completing the circle of nakshyatras.This circle is known as the nakshyatriya month of 27 days.This is the sidereal lunar month.This is a shorter lunar month with respect to the star world.The lunar month is shorter with respect to the star(sidereal) and longer with respect to the sun(synodic lunar month) by about 2 days.Goodbye. Regards, Hari Malla Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:02:19 PM Re: madhu ,madhav is solar Dear Hari Malla-ji,Thank you for responding.Again, my understanding is limited so at a time I can just concenrate on only one aspect. So, please bear with me.Lets leave sankranti for now. Lets just concentrate on the months, even better let us concentrate on only 1 month, Chaitra, ok? I promise to you, I will come to sankranti too. Please just give me some time.I am glad we are in agreement that for full moon to happen Sun and Moon should be 180 Degree apart..Now, please do let me know if you agree that Moon traverses 1 nakshtra a day.Please do let me know.Again, step by step for my own benefit. Please bear with me.Regards,Souvikancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@.. ..> wrote:>> Dear Souvik Duttaji,> You are quite right.The sankrantis are where the rashis meet and 180 degrees to the sankranits, we have the corresponding full moons.But it so happens that the full moons do not remain fixed at the sankrantis, but fluctuate 15 days before and after the sankrantis due to the one month of adhimas.for example, Mesh sankranti is the middle point of Chaitra fullmoon.This means 180 degrees from the mesh sankranti, we have the mid point of chitraa nakshyatra too.The full moon of chaitra fluctuates between 16th of saura chaitra to 15th of saura vaisakh approximately.. Or Mesh sankranti is the middle or mean position of vaisakh full moon.> If not disturbed this will be true even 5000AD, if not disturbed.This is what I believe in, unless proved otherwise.Thank you.> Regards,> Hari Malla> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Souvik Dutta explore_vulcan@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:48:36 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: madhu ,madhav is solar> > > > > Dear Hari Malla-ji,> I am also very thankful to you for agreeing to my request. > "> Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months.> "> Excellent! For a moon to be full it has to oppose the Sun with a 180 degree between them. This should be true in 5000 BCE as it would be in 5000 CE (or in other words irrespective of time) as long as the Sun and Moon and Earth are still present! > Please let me know if you agree with this. > Thanks> Souvik> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Souvik Duttaji,> > I am very happy to get your careful response.This is a very good spirit indeed.I will tell you whatever I know in earnestness. The step by step method is the best.> > Originally,Chaitra, Baisakh are lunar months with the full moons being attached with Chitraa nakshyatra, Visakha nakshyatras etc.Even today technically they are lunar months.But since the advent of the rashis and the lunar months are now a days controlled by the rashis,It is also customary nowdays to call the solar rashi months of Mesh,Vrish also as Chaitra, Baisakh etc.Although technically not correct it is in normal use to call them saura Chaitra, saura Baishakh etc.The addition of the word 'saura' makes it solar wihout doubt.> > Thank you,> > Regards'> > Hari Malla> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:05:36 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: madhu ,madhav is solar> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari Malla-ji,> > > > Lets take it step by step, shall we? Trust me when I say I am not closed minded, but like all humans I have biases and have the guts to accept it. However, if you can show me something with logic I will accept it. I have done it in the past. Inder Vohra (blessed man, hope he is doing good) introduced me to KP. I had my biases but I learned it and accepted its merit. I don't know anyone personally here and neither does anyone know me (of course apart from a few I am friends with), so no personal disagreement with you.> > > > Now, you say that madhu madhav are not solar months.> > > > I want to know if you consider Chaitra, Magha, Phalgun as solar months. If no, then please let us know what do you consider them as.> > > > Lets progress step by step and logically.> > > > Thanks> > > > Souvik> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla <harimalla@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunilji and Souvikji,> > > The truth must be accepted with careful analysis.It is not just a matter of agriculture and spiritual festivals.It is also natural date keeping.The solar year is natural because of seasons, the longest day and shortest day.But coming to the months and date keeping, the lunar month is natural and the visual phases of the moon is the nature's date keeper.The solar months are artificially made later on for convenience only and are not natural.Thus when you say madhu madhav is solar months,you are defying all records of history, scriptures,and common sense.Thank you,> > > Yours,> > > Hari Malla> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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