Saurapaksha grahas- Where are their locations?

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji,

 

HaHa. You know better Sir. I believe in certain part which even he may not be

knowing because it is of spiritual purport, but that has nothing to do with what

he has written in totality.

 

What you mention is absolutely true. How can a physical spaceship land on a non

physical Moon is exactly the question which came in my mind, which luckily this

member put to Mr. Vinay and cornered him. When we talk on Groups where

astronomy is related to astrology, no tlak of non-physical grahas should come up

in the first place or else it will only serve to invite ridicule.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>  

> Do you really agree with Vinayji regarding separate Saurapaksha locations for

the grahas?

>  

> Regards

>  

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

>

> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

> Re: Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology

>

> Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:45 AM

>

Dear Bhaskarji,

>  

> Jyotish shastra includes both astronomy and astrology. From the name of our

group I understand that we can have some discussions on astronomy also alongside

astrology. The question on this thread is more interesting from the astronomy

part of Jyotisha. If the astronauts landed in the other Moon then we should try

to get Moon-landing data, which may not be  sensitive and non-disclosable.  NASA

will have data on the distance as well as of  the speed of the space rocket  and

the travel time etc. Thus it will be a real opportunity to verify the the claims

of some people that there are two locations for each graha, ie. one the physical

and the other non-physical. However one question will remain as to how a

physical space vehicle can land in the non-physical Moon. Any guess?

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology

>

> Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:29 AM

Dear Friends,

>

> Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila Prabhupada is

like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first Teacher of Krishna

consciousness, and any comment about him which is not in good taste, or him

being shown in not a good light, or in relation to amusement, or his writings

being misinterpreted in any manner and the meanings twisted,or he being quoted

without supporting evidences of references, would call for an explanation from

me.

>

> Thanks,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste John,

> >

> > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has

said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where

the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by

SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse.

> >

> >

> > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many

other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So

better we dont serve pearls to just anyone.

> >

> >

> > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text

where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more ..........

> >

> >

> > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be

familiar with the distances of the Planets.

> >

> > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various

forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the

Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > My responses to your comments are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the

USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ?

> > >

> > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad

Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact.

> > >

> > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did

not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ?

> > >

> > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets

against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more

distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing

to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets.

> > >

> > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ?

> > >

> > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with

the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such,

determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary

terms may be affected.

> > >

> > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it

not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ?

> > >

> > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory

about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men.

> > >

> > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by

westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it

is not ?

> > >

> > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted.

Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the

ancient jyotish method.

> > >

> > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your

> subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the

knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the

Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or

why they said what they did ?

> > >

> > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological

readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to

jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my

intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums.

> > >

> > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ?

> > >

> > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on

this particular forum.

> > >

> > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg,

because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your

goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to

have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian

masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.>

> > >

> > > You made a mistake in your judgement.

> > >

> > >

> > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said

without giving the reference and context why he said so ?

> > >

> > > See my response above.

> > >

> > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of

London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up

of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons

affecting London to make them do so ?

> > >

> > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San

Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the

Church.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > JR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Sunilji,

 

I know nothing about astronomy. Just this much that we are part of the

solar system of the Milky way galaxy, which may have a million Suns much

brighter than the Sun we know, and even theMilky way galaxy is just a

speck in the sky when watched from afar, and if we go further away, even

this galaxy is not visible. Astronomy is the domain for you experts.

 

I just know reading from spiritual scriptures that we have more grahas

not visible in the sky, and even the Earth is hanging in a bag on which

certain lokas exist not visible in the sky, and the details are given

about the yojanas how much distance are these lokas etc. from the earth,

what is the distance of their expanse and other such matters but if you

ask me to quote the refrence, at the moment I cannot remember. I am

also of belief that whatever energy is existing in space,is also

existing in the lowest dissection when viewed by the most scientific

instrument , even if a leaf is cut into the smallest part, or a stone

broken into the smallest particle. This has been proven scientifically,

and this is what we call the Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent

God,who is a part of both Micro and Macr of anything existing in the

Universe.

 

This is the only astronomy I am interested in presently.

 

Rest i wish to study with reference to astrology, and not more than

that, but do not find the requisite time for same.

 

These discussions which Mr,Vinay and others participating in the threads

are into, I am least interested, they are of no value for me personally,

and I consider them a waste of precious time.

 

best wishes and kind regards, and full respect to your age and

knowledge, I remain,

 

humbly yours,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

>

> HaHa. You know better Sir. I believe in certain part which even he may

not be knowing because it is of spiritual purport, but that has nothing

to do with what he has written in totality.

>

> What you mention is absolutely true. How can a physical spaceship land

on a non physical Moon is exactly the question which came in my mind,

which luckily this member put to Mr. Vinay and cornered him. When we

talk on Groups where astronomy is related to astrology, no tlak of

non-physical grahas should come up in the first place or else it will

only serve to invite ridicule.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > Do you really agree with Vinayji regarding separate Saurapaksha

locations for the grahas?

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya@

> > Re: Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology

> >

> > Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:45 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > Jyotish shastra includes both astronomy and astrology. From the name

of our group I understand that we can have some discussions on astronomy

also alongside astrology. The question on this thread is more

interesting from the astronomy part of Jyotisha. If the astronauts

landed in the other Moon then we should try to get Moon-landing data,

which may not be sensitive and non-disclosable. NASA will have data on

the distance as well as of the speed of the space rocket and the

travel time etc. Thus it will be a real opportunity to verify the the

claims of some people that there are two locations for each graha, ie.

one the physical and the other non-physical. However one question will

remain as to how a physical space vehicle can land in the non-physical

Moon. Any guess?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology

> >

> > Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:29 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila

Prabhupada is like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first

Teacher of Krishna consciousness, and any comment about him which is not

in good taste, or him being shown in not a good light, or in relation to

amusement, or his writings being misinterpreted in any manner and the

meanings twisted,or he being quoted without supporting evidences of

references, would call for an explanation from me.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste John,

> > >

> > > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila

Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the

SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the

Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to

point out the verse.

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets.

There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it

astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone.

> > >

> > >

> > > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the

vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more

...........

> > >

> > >

> > > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts

must be familiar with the distances of the Planets.

> > >

> > > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various

forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily

on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > My responses to your comments are as follows:

> > > >

> > > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe

that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ?

> > > >

> > > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to

the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to

this fact.

> > > >

> > > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the

Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where

did they land ?

> > > >

> > > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about

imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon

was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this

information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the

imaginary planets.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ?

> > > >

> > > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be

familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on

the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the

various planets in imaginary terms may be affected.

> > > >

> > > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great

men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ?

> > > >

> > > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything

derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men.

> > > >

> > > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus

created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other

times say that it is not ?

> > > >

> > > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be

demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am

using strictly the ancient jyotish method.

> > > >

> > > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques

for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the

Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to

speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not,

what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ?

> > > >

> > > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in

astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient

texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once

again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the

jyotish forums.

> > > >

> > > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ?

> > > >

> > > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is

listed on this particular forum.

> > > >

> > > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You

and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected

by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere

then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings

towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom

the World looks upwards.>

> > > >

> > > > You made a mistake in your judgement.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila

Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so

?

> > > >

> > > > See my response above.

> > > >

> > > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh

catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year,

due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the

mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ?

> > > >

> > > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in

San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in

London left the Church.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > JR

> > > >

> > >

> >

>