Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Hello. Fruits and flowers have got certain reasons to be taken alongwith them by a native in India to a Jyotish. 1) Eatable and flowers are a form of offering to anybody revered. This is also taken to a temple visit by those who know, in India. No one should go emptyhanded to a Temple, Guru or ailing relative admitted in a Hospital (Though the last part-Relative is soon becoming obselete now) 2) The colours of the fruit and the fruits name itself suggests something to the astrologer before the native opens his mouth to talk about his problems. In same way the flowers too suggest something. Colour of the fruits and flowers represents the planet which is the Ruling Planet (Elevated )in natives chart. Their names first letter also represents their Moon Constellation. The taste of the fruit suggests the primary Guna prevailing in the person, Tamo, Rajas or Satwa. Etc.Etc. I do not wish to talk of these secrets in details. 3) When the Native does not have a recorded birth time, then the astrologer asks any person sitting there to count the petals and the remainder (After a certain divisible count) represents the Zodiac sign of the native. We have at least a dozen rules related to the science of fruits and flowers, sitting position in front of astrologer, standing position, position while speaking, being seated on which side, facing on which side, touching hands to certain parts of the body etc. all this makes some sense in Indian Jyotish. India is a great country and posseses great knowledge still untapped. There are people in remote unaccessible villages who at times can predict marvellously better at times, than those of us who have studied under modern educated professors in High Ranking Universities of Astrology. Hayfever shouldnt be a problem much here because we have been brought up to know flowers at close quarters and rarely does a man here would be, who goes to a temple without a flower garland. Even in the pooja Rooms at home flowers are offered daily to the Diety. Hay Fever is a much bigger problem to those who live in cold countries, who stay whole day in AC Rooms, who use the Carpets and Beds too often. Here its warm and people though stay in the AC at work and at sleep, yet like the Sunlight too. Flowers and the pollen therein, therefore affects only a few here. I think we should worry about other matters, rather than Indian astrologers getting hayfever when someone comes to them with flowers. And even if they have fever from flowers which mis-conception you may have apparently, still getting fever from flowers is better than getting fever from perfumes which give artificial smell of vegetable and flowers which come in india mostly from abroad and gives a headache.. Bhaskar. , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > Hi Everyone > I note that the tradition in jyotish is to take flowers, fruit and white hanky or linen to give to the jyotish if a jyotish reading is sought? > > So either:- > > a) jyotishes in India don 't ever get Hay Fever or > > b) this tradition is out of date? or > > c) this tradition singles out the true jyotish because if they get hay fever from flowers brought then they shouldn't be jyotishes in the first place:-) > > please guide > love and light in the true tradition of jyotish > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Respected Sh.Sreenadh ji, What Sh. Baskar has written is true. I have respect for him. But we forget the Desh, Kala and Patra. What Sh Bhaskar has written indicates the time when we were agriculturist. We have abundance of flowers and vegetable available at hand, not money. The people were simple and live in villages. were not educated as today. Still they have respect for the astrologers. They desired to pay to an astrologer in terms of flowers and vegetables. The astrologer having limited time and instruments to calculate, use these offering to create chart for the time for the individual i.e. horary chart, believing that the nature has guided the querist for all the offerrings as we take ruling planets for the time in K.P system. We have developed " Swara " and " Shakun " to answer the query. The reply given by the astrologer comes true. Why? Because the astrologers leads a simple life devoted to the service of humanity and love to God. Moreover the querist has full faith on the astrologer and his advice. But time has changed the astrologer and the quirist. Love and regards --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Sreenadh <sreesog > Fwd: Re: Hay Fever and Jyotish > > Monday, April 6, 2009, 6:54 PM > , > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Hello. > > Fruits and flowers have got certain reasons to be taken > alongwith them > by a native in India to a Jyotish. > > 1) Eatable and flowers are a form of offering to anybody > revered. This > is also taken to a temple visit by those who know, in > India. No one > should go emptyhanded to a Temple, Guru or ailing relative > admitted in a > Hospital (Though the last part-Relative is soon > becoming obselete now) > > 2) The colours of the fruit and the fruits name itself > suggests > something to the astrologer before the native opens his > mouth to talk > about his problems. In same way the flowers too suggest > something. > Colour of the fruits and flowers represents the planet > which is the > Ruling Planet (Elevated )in natives chart. Their names > first letter also > represents their Moon Constellation. The taste of the fruit > suggests the > primary Guna prevailing in the person, Tamo, Rajas or > Satwa. Etc.Etc. I > do not wish to talk of these secrets in details. > > 3) When the Native does not have a recorded birth time, > then the > astrologer asks any person sitting there to count the > petals and the > remainder (After a certain divisible count) represents the > Zodiac sign > of the native. We have at least a dozen rules related to > the science of > fruits and flowers, sitting position in front of > astrologer, standing > position, position while speaking, being seated on which > side, facing on > which side, touching hands to certain parts of the body > etc. all this > makes some sense in Indian Jyotish. > > India is a great country and posseses great knowledge still > untapped. > There are people in remote unaccessible villages who at > times can > predict marvellously better at times, than those of us who > have studied > under modern educated professors in High Ranking > Universities of > Astrology. > > Hayfever shouldnt be a problem much here because we have > been brought up > to know flowers at close quarters and rarely does a > man here would be, > who goes to a temple without a flower garland. Even in the > pooja Rooms > at home flowers are offered daily to the Diety. Hay Fever > is a much > bigger problem to those who live in cold countries, who > stay whole day > in AC Rooms, who use the Carpets and Beds too often. Here > its warm and > people though stay in the AC at work and at sleep, yet like > the Sunlight > too. Flowers and the pollen therein, therefore affects only > a few here. > > I think we should worry about other matters, rather than > Indian > astrologers getting hayfever when someone comes to them > with flowers. > And even if they have fever from flowers which > mis-conception you may > have apparently, still getting fever from flowers is better > than getting > fever from perfumes which give artificial smell of > vegetable and flowers > which come in india mostly from abroad and gives a > headache.. > > Bhaskar. , > " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone > > I note that the tradition in jyotish is to take > flowers, fruit and > white hanky or linen to give to the jyotish if a jyotish > reading is > sought? > > > > So either:- > > > > a) jyotishes in India don 't ever get Hay Fever or > > > > b) this tradition is out of date? or > > > > c) this tradition singles out the true jyotish because > if they get hay > fever from flowers brought then they shouldn't be jyotishes > in the first > place:-) > > > > please guide > > love and light in the true tradition of jyotish > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Respected Kursijaji, Traditions have not changed even now, the practise of giving flowers, fruits, coconut, a set of dhoti, blouse piece/sari to the female of the household of the astrologer, still continues even in urban India, in places like Matunga, Chembur, Dadar, Sion, and suburbs of Bombay. However, people also give cash along with these now-a-days . Regards, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 At my Home, we always keep such items like Dhotis and a Shirt pieces , in stock, and also some new utsensils etc, which have been kept especially for the Brahmins who come at our place. I see this is being done by Mother since childhood (She being a South indian) which tradition luckily my Wife too does not mind following. The places which you mentioned, you are right they still bear the culture of india, and when we visit Sion Matunga we feel as we have landed in another city which is not Bombay but at some South indian temple with the fresshness and fragrance of flowers etc. all around, with people walking wearing Dhotis, and idli Dosa etc. being made in the lanes near these temples . I love Matunga also because I was in the school " Don Bosco High Scool at Matunga " . regards/Bhaskar. , " bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote: > > Respected Kursijaji, > > Traditions have not changed even now, the practise of giving flowers, fruits, coconut, a set of dhoti, blouse piece/sari to the female of the household of the astrologer, still continues even in urban India, in places like Matunga, Chembur, Dadar, Sion, and suburbs of Bombay. However, people also give cash along with these now-a-days . > > Regards, > bhagavathi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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