Fwd: Astrologers and the free meal seeking parasites

[Guest guest]

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

 

Dear Neelam ji and Bhaskar ji,

Parasara says - " Ayuscha Lokayatra cha dwe sastresmin prayojene "

[Astrology provides knowledge about longevity and helps in livelihood.

These two are the benefits of this knowledge branch] I think the above

statement came from an astrologer's perspective. If sage parasara

permits receiving money from people for the sake of livelihood of the

astrology - who in search of free meal is arguing that astrologer should

not receive money in return of their serveices?! Does those parasites

in search of a free meal will feed the family of the astrologer or

what?!

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Your resistance is understandable. It is painful to see a scholar like

Vinay

> ji use such terminology which has no basis in any Shastra and so also

in

> modern way of thinking. As far as I know, astrologers are forbidden to

ask

> or accept an unjustified amount for their services. Though going by

the

> flexibility granted to us in the desh-kaal-patra tenet, what is

`justified'

> would also need to be defined for this modern materialistic kaal and

modern

> astro-paatras.

>

> Till astrology remains a poor-man's, or a beggar's profession,

we cannot

> hope to have modern, intelligent and competent human resource adopting

> astrology as a branch of studies or profession.

>

> While Chandalas (with due respect to them), in the modern era may be

more

> suited to pack the political and bureaucratic corridors, I would like

to see

> astrologers come up like technocrats and doctors, happily and

ungrudgingly

> doing justice to their rewarding (also monetarily) advisory role.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

 

Dear Neelamji,

 

I had already opted out of this thread some time back, but came back

again, as it was repeatedly mentioned again and again that all

Astrologers who accept money are " Chandalas " . I had ignored this comment

once or twice, but this coming again and again, demands the reader to

ask for an explanation.

 

I am yet to receive the refrence for the above quoted term from the MBh

and Manusmriti. I also hoppe that the refrence is given alongwith the

cotext in which it was spoken so as it can be guaged as to why this

comment was made in the first place, if it was made at all in the

aforesaid texts. Because I can sense some twisting and misinterpretaion

done here to suit individual purpose and lend support to ones own claims

of nothing tangible.

 

About the Poojaris, doing Pooja and accepting money also being called as

Chandalas, and the surgeons who charge fees for their Chikitsa, also I

am wondering why has this not been put up on the National Channels, that

they are actually Chandalas.

 

I would not mind with the current state of affairs, to being put in the

" minority " section so that i could also take great many advantages

awarded to these sections, from the present day government since i am a

Chandala.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

Why don't you post the message of marg about " hay fever and jyotishis " . I read

your crisp reply. I did not realize I am a member of that group. I posted a

reply, probably it was too saucy, it did not get approved.

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Neelamji,

>

> I had already opted out of this thread some time back, but came back

> again, as it was repeatedly mentioned again and again that all

> Astrologers who accept money are " Chandalas " . I had ignored this comment

> once or twice, but this coming again and again, demands the reader to

> ask for an explanation.

>

> I am yet to receive the refrence for the above quoted term from the MBh

> and Manusmriti. I also hoppe that the refrence is given alongwith the

> cotext in which it was spoken so as it can be guaged as to why this

> comment was made in the first place, if it was made at all in the

> aforesaid texts. Because I can sense some twisting and misinterpretaion

> done here to suit individual purpose and lend support to ones own claims

> of nothing tangible.

>

> About the Poojaris, doing Pooja and accepting money also being called as

> Chandalas, and the surgeons who charge fees for their Chikitsa, also I

> am wondering why has this not been put up on the National Channels, that

> they are actually Chandalas.

>

> I would not mind with the current state of affairs, to being put in the

> " minority " section so that i could also take great many advantages

> awarded to these sections, from the present day government since i am a

> Chandala.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagwathiji,

 

I could have posted a more crispier one, but did not, due to a note from

the Moderator asking me not to use strong words.

 

I was alreadyput in trouble there last year, due to the games played by

the only CEO of a Jyotish group, who also was banned from there, but who

came back in another id which bears the same name differently. (We all

know he uses 3-4 ids and calls all of them official. Whenever he is

caught with a new ID it becomes official from then on. )

 

Two of my mails too have not been approved.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> Why don't you post the message of marg about " hay fever and

jyotishis " . I read your crisp reply. I did not realize I am a member of

that group. I posted a reply, probably it was too saucy, it did not get

approved.

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh " sreesog@

wrote:

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelamji,

> >

> > I had already opted out of this thread some time back, but came back

> > again, as it was repeatedly mentioned again and again that all

> > Astrologers who accept money are " Chandalas " . I had ignored this

comment

> > once or twice, but this coming again and again, demands the reader

to

> > ask for an explanation.

> >

> > I am yet to receive the refrence for the above quoted term from the

MBh

> > and Manusmriti. I also hoppe that the refrence is given alongwith

the

> > cotext in which it was spoken so as it can be guaged as to why this

> > comment was made in the first place, if it was made at all in the

> > aforesaid texts. Because I can sense some twisting and

misinterpretaion

> > done here to suit individual purpose and lend support to ones own

claims

> > of nothing tangible.

> >

> > About the Poojaris, doing Pooja and accepting money also being

called as

> > Chandalas, and the surgeons who charge fees for their Chikitsa, also

I

> > am wondering why has this not been put up on the National Channels,

that

> > they are actually Chandalas.

> >

> > I would not mind with the current state of affairs, to being put in

the

> > " minority " section so that i could also take great many advantages

> > awarded to these sections, from the present day government since i

am a

> > Chandala.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

My reply did not get approved. I was surprised by marg's limited knowledge about

everything. He/She has used a word hanky, which is a small square piece. ... has

used linen which is big like the bedsheet. I wrote the exact word " set of dhoti "

and also metioned that there is no point in giveing the jyotish a pair of

bermudas and jeans. Probably, this was offensive to the westerner, who is

glorified by the moderator

 

 

This thread reminded me of my first arrival in the US as a student. A professor

was asking me and a group of Indian students to work on Black molds research. We

said that it is not a big issue in our country. Then a blonde girl asked me " are

there no Air conditioners in India " . I said, even in a big city like bombay, if

you open all the windows and doors of your house, you will get natural arir

conditioner, that is why we have no issues with black molds. That made sense to

everyone

 

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagavati ji,We can extend ourselves only within the limits of our own prejudices. Astrology as Jyotish cannot and will never be comprehended by a western mindset. What is accepted naturally by us is questioned naturally by them!!

They have always been in awe of the wealth we have (including the swiss accounts!). Either they take that wealth away and make it their own (patenting our products) or else call it fake!RegardsNeelam

2009/4/6 bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

My reply did not get approved. I was surprised by marg's limited knowledge about everything. He/She has used a word hanky, which is a small square piece. ... has used linen which is big like the bedsheet. I wrote the exact word " set of dhoti " and also metioned that there is no point in giveing the jyotish a pair of bermudas and jeans. Probably, this was offensive to the westerner, who is glorified by the moderator

 

This thread reminded me of my first arrival in the US as a student. A professor was asking me and a group of Indian students to work on Black molds research. We said that it is not a big issue in our country. Then a blonde girl asked me " are there no Air conditioners in India " . I said, even in a big city like bombay, if you open all the windows and doors of your house, you will get natural arir conditioner, that is why we have no issues with black molds. That made sense to everyone

 

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagwathi ji,

 

Yes I can see that she lacks knowledge though i will not be allowed to

say that on the face to her in that group. She was also talking almost

all the time in a derogatory manner about India, the origin of astrology

in India, the indian astrologers etc.etc.

 

I have had my share of exchanges with her last year, probably the reason

she does not enter in any argument with me, the other being lack of

knowledge to argue.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> My reply did not get approved. I was surprised by marg's limited

knowledge about everything. He/She has used a word hanky, which is a

small square piece. ... has used linen which is big like the bedsheet. I

wrote the exact word " set of dhoti " and also metioned that there is no

point in giveing the jyotish a pair of bermudas and jeans. Probably,

this was offensive to the westerner, who is glorified by the moderator

>

>

> This thread reminded me of my first arrival in the US as a student. A

professor was asking me and a group of Indian students to work on Black

molds research. We said that it is not a big issue in our country. Then

a blonde girl asked me " are there no Air conditioners in India " . I said,

even in a big city like bombay, if you open all the windows and doors of

your house, you will get natural arir conditioner, that is why we have

no issues with black molds. That made sense to everyone

>

> bhagavathi

>