Fwd: kaul and calender or hidden agendas ????

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hinducivilization , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:dear ravi ji

 

i sent a mail to grp and it did not appear on board and hence i am opening a new thread

 

u said sunil nair dont prooved anything

sure ,because kaul was attacking us tru personal mails long

back and did answered him but he seems to keep on abusing and taking up

the same matter in various forums where many memebrs r not interested

or even aware of it,also subjuct matter is so vast and using net as

cover u can always twist it and create a scene and always hide behind

moderaters

my question is never answered( to proov his claims than

calling us frauds ) by him where as every one seems to giv him full

authority to abuse and even spread lies

latest lies abt shri BV Raman is similar one ,any one can

enquire abt it ( kaul wil keep on twisting when ever answered and he

will drag u to endless fights without intellectual honesty )

 

first of all vedas r not astrological texts ( and so many

books on vedas is still not avilable almost 1100 or more books where

there as vedas ) ,the word veda attached to vedic astrology or hindu

astrology means a branch of knowledge only ( like ayurveda or

stapathya veda or gandharva veda ,dhanurveda or ayudha veda or natya

veda etc it does not mean that full text is available in vedas ( the 4

vedas ) .Also every one knows diffrnt rishies contributed diffrnt

mantras in vedic texts and hence it is not a work Monolitthical one

like religious texts like quran or bible .I also said many times that

indian culture was never unilateral and no culture is same and various

grps contributed for it

even jain and budhists and all other indian religious

branches like saivism or tantrism etc contributed various things or

further devlped more

who is now known as under common umbrella as hindus ( even

many brahmin castes are latest one after adi sankara converted budhists

or other grps -for exmple even this kaul's are not vedic brahmins in

proper sense )

Now back to astronomy and astrology

--------------------------------

for example there is mantras in rigveda that vasantha vishu as in mrigasheersha

there is evidence in vedanga jyothisha that when the text

was compiled sun was in avittam star ( 23 degree 20 minits onwards in

makra sign ) during makara samkranthi

in jain texts like surya pranjapti and jyothisha karandakam there is mention of makar samkranthi in tiruvonam star ( sravana )

and varaha mihiras period it was in uthrada star and this is

more than enough to show how astrology and astronomy is devlped in

india than it is greek/chaldean contribution. Even megastanese ( the

greek ambasssdor to chandra guptas court ) quoted in his book INDICA (

around bc 350 ) that we hav a purticular section of grp in india who is

involved in predicting ( he uses the word philosophers and they were

financed by whole society for their needs and highly respected ) and

they where utilised by both royals and commoners and it is also written

that in case their prediction goes wrong they keep silence rest of

their life and livs a secluded life ( imagine their power of blf in

their sastra they practsing ) .So astrology is even recoded so earlier

( just imagine how such a society will form ( where as it will take

1000s of yrs to form such a society ) just after attack of alexander

who has to go back when his own army has no guts to mov ahead and what

ever they won in india was tru bribing and cheating those smal minute

kingdoms )

Also mathematics was never devlped in greece b4 alexanders

attack to india where he took lot of peope to greece on his way back

who ever is specilaist in their own field and it was recorded in

history

babylonian astrology was always omen astrology( even chinese

used 12 animals in chinese astrology and says it is budhist

contribution ) than zodiacal one in reality and al available proofs

are proof of it .even if there is exchange of knowledge happened ( just

i am giving benefit of doubt ) with any other culture it is not a taboo

too as even kaul is promoting NASA and JPL datas and he always says it

shud b used for vedic calenders ( which he never shown to any grp nor

prooved even when asked 1000 times ) the truth is if he is making a

lunar calender sun position and an imaginary zodiac ( which he look for

meaning of zodiac in english dictionary than indian version of rasi

chakra or rahu sikhi chakra or phaneendra chakra-means eclipticasl path

of sun ( i dont understand why he sees english dictionary for sanskrit

words ) so much is his knowldge which he is after time waisting of

others who is not financed by any agencies and not even by ashrams or

dharmacharyas or even general public or kings ) ) is required and he

is hiding that fact .Even a lunar yr is maxi 354 days ,so he cannot

make a yrly calender with seasons as after 10 yrs there will b a

diffrnce of 110 days ,even the months which he says madhu ,madhav etc

is not lunatic one ( as he is lunatic than a lunarist like a muslim

calender and all arabs also changed now to normal european calnder tho

officialy they uses arbic calender - for exmple u can see ramdan month

tru out seasons --one season may b in winter and after some time u can

see it is in summer and kaul says we shud use such calender,without a

agricultural calender no culture can devlp wheter vedic or non vedic or

kaulian's-arabs where never agriculturists and that is why what ever

they copied even frm india got lost over a period of time -first their

religion dont support it and 2ndly they dont hav a philosophical

outlook for it which is prime requiremnt )

In vedas there is solar calender and they made 5 yr yugas to

compensate this irregularity of adhika masas of lunar months and hence

lunar calenders ( al this is already happened in rig vedic period )

during vedic period sun was prime Lord ( remebr veda matha

gayatri mantra ( according to kaul it is greek mantra ) and his

movement was considered sacred and mithra worship was prime among

aryans where as varuna worship was more among other ancient sections

like asuras and mlechas of india ( who where sea farers and i think the

indus valley saraswathi culture is their contribution and it ended on

BC 1900 almost and since than vedic gangetic culture taken shape tho

the common tread of civilisation never changed and still continuing (

and there was no conflict in ideologies than former was community based

which build big cities and later was individual based and blved more in

personal devlpmnt and moksha than mega structure or projects but when

ramayana /Mahabharahta period u can see both culture is merging and

becoming one other wise u cannot see a mandir in vedic period and even

idols where as u can see even in ramyana and mahabharatha such temple

culture and vastu is used and even many times reference of mlechas

building cities for pandavas and others ( always depicted asuras has

more technology or big cities and beuitiful palaces )

 

so suns movmnts and sankranthies etc is worshipped and so

without a solar calender first in hand all this is not possible and

without rasies there is no sankranthies possible and lunar calenders

was later devlpmnt and moon was regrded as secondary god too ( because

to make thithies and nakshtras etc a fully devlped zodiacal concept is

required) .

other wise meshadi rasies are given in all puranas and if he

-mr kaul says all this happened after alexander came on tourist visa to

india then let him b given prime position in hindu grps and peple like

us to b banished because we dont proov anything .

the truth is a cook need not proov how the use of turmeric

in south indian cooking happened and will any one will call (or even

allow to call or ask to proov ) such a cook as fraud and charlattan

,other wise i also support and stil blvs any one can blv in any

religion or ideology so long as he is not a nuisance to others in civic

sense .

 

matha kunti says in Mahabharatha " bhagyavantham prasuyetha

ma sooram ma cha panditham " ( means a mother shud giv birth to

children's with luck than who is warriers or scholars ),so blv of luck

or daivatham or fate so in deep in hindu culture

hope i dont asked to proov more again and again than it is

his- kauls duty to proov his claims than poor ill equipped peope like

me who with lot of restrictions and limitations r being haunted .I was

just pointing out for what this grp is meant for by allowing let loose

of kaul's agendas .

i suggest a poll in grp to see the grp memebrs s attitude

on this matter and i welcome such a mov and i hope moderaters and

memebrs will not hav any objection for such a poll .

pls ask kaul to proov with valid proof than ooha poha s (

all guess work and simple name calling and spreading lies ) and as his

claims ( with historical and textual proofs than giving all credit and

leaniency to his western frnds or sponsors same time talking with full

volume with wel packed hidden words of absusing with indians and who

blv in indianess and hinduness (sorry for mistakes in typing as i am

using cell phone/or others net connections as i am in office without a

net connection to answer this so i just type and press sent button )

rgrds sunil nair --- End forwarded message ---

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Dear Sreenadhji,I am not surprised at the stand of the "hinducivilisation group" as the authorities of that group made it clear about three years ago that Astrology has no place in that group. It means that the "hinducivilization" group does not recognise astrology though astrology is one of the essential disciplines of Hindu scriptures and the Dharmashastra of Manu also says that kings must consult astrologer. I personally feel that any derecognition of Hindu astrology is against Hindu-civilisation. Because of anti-astrology stand of that group Kaulji will be able to continue his trade against Astrology there. It is an unfortunate situation but we cannot do a thing about it.. Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:Sreenadh <sreesog Fwd: kaul and calender or hidden agendas ???? Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 1:08 PM

 

hinducivilization, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:dear ravi ji

 

i sent a mail to grp and it did not appear on board and hence i am opening a new thread

 

u said sunil nair dont prooved anything

sure ,because kaul was attacking us tru personal mails long

back and did answered him but he seems to keep on abusing and taking up

the same matter in various forums where many memebrs r not interested

or even aware of it,also subjuct matter is so vast and using net as

cover u can always twist it and create a scene and always hide behind

moderaters

my question is never answered( to proov his claims than

calling us frauds ) by him where as every one seems to giv him full

authority to abuse and even spread lies

latest lies abt shri BV Raman is similar one ,any one can

enquire abt it ( kaul wil keep on twisting when ever answered and he

will drag u to endless fights without intellectual honesty )

 

first of all vedas r not astrological texts ( and so many

books on vedas is still not avilable almost 1100 or more books where

there as vedas ) ,the word veda attached to vedic astrology or hindu

astrology means a branch of knowledge only ( like ayurveda or

stapathya veda or gandharva veda ,dhanurveda or ayudha veda or natya

veda etc it does not mean that full text is available in vedas ( the 4

vedas ) .Also every one knows diffrnt rishies contributed diffrnt

mantras in vedic texts and hence it is not a work Monolitthical one

like religious texts like quran or bible .I also said many times that

indian culture was never unilateral and no culture is same and various

grps contributed for it

even jain and budhists and all other indian religious

branches like saivism or tantrism etc contributed various things or

further devlped more

who is now known as under common umbrella as hindus ( even

many brahmin castes are latest one after adi sankara converted budhists

or other grps -for exmple even this kaul's are not vedic brahmins in

proper sense )

Now back to astronomy and astrology

------------ --------- --------- --

for example there is mantras in rigveda that vasantha vishu as in mrigasheersha

there is evidence in vedanga jyothisha that when the text

was compiled sun was in avittam star ( 23 degree 20 minits onwards in

makra sign ) during makara samkranthi

in jain texts like surya pranjapti and jyothisha karandakam there is mention of makar samkranthi in tiruvonam star ( sravana )

and varaha mihiras period it was in uthrada star and this is

more than enough to show how astrology and astronomy is devlped in

india than it is greek/chaldean contribution. Even megastanese ( the

greek ambasssdor to chandra guptas court ) quoted in his book INDICA (

around bc 350 ) that we hav a purticular section of grp in india who is

involved in predicting ( he uses the word philosophers and they were

financed by whole society for their needs and highly respected ) and

they where utilised by both royals and commoners and it is also written

that in case their prediction goes wrong they keep silence rest of

their life and livs a secluded life ( imagine their power of blf in

their sastra they practsing ) .So astrology is even recoded so earlier

( just imagine how such a society will form ( where as it will take

1000s of yrs to form such a society ) just after attack of alexander

who has to go back when his own army has no guts to mov ahead and what

ever they won in india was tru bribing and cheating those smal minute

kingdoms )

Also mathematics was never devlped in greece b4 alexanders

attack to india where he took lot of peope to greece on his way back

who ever is specilaist in their own field and it was recorded in

history

babylonian astrology was always omen astrology( even chinese

used 12 animals in chinese astrology and says it is budhist

contribution ) than zodiacal one in reality and al available proofs

are proof of it .even if there is exchange of knowledge happened ( just

i am giving benefit of doubt ) with any other culture it is not a taboo

too as even kaul is promoting NASA and JPL datas and he always says it

shud b used for vedic calenders ( which he never shown to any grp nor

prooved even when asked 1000 times ) the truth is if he is making a

lunar calender sun position and an imaginary zodiac ( which he look for

meaning of zodiac in english dictionary than indian version of rasi

chakra or rahu sikhi chakra or phaneendra chakra-means eclipticasl path

of sun ( i dont understand why he sees english dictionary for sanskrit

words ) so much is his knowldge which he is after time waisting of

others who is not financed by any agencies and not even by ashrams or

dharmacharyas or even general public or kings ) ) is required and he

is hiding that fact .Even a lunar yr is maxi 354 days ,so he cannot

make a yrly calender with seasons as after 10 yrs there will b a

diffrnce of 110 days ,even the months which he says madhu ,madhav etc

is not lunatic one ( as he is lunatic than a lunarist like a muslim

calender and all arabs also changed now to normal european calnder tho

officialy they uses arbic calender - for exmple u can see ramdan month

tru out seasons --one season may b in winter and after some time u can

see it is in summer and kaul says we shud use such calender,without a

agricultural calender no culture can devlp wheter vedic or non vedic or

kaulian's-arabs where never agriculturists and that is why what ever

they copied even frm india got lost over a period of time -first their

religion dont support it and 2ndly they dont hav a philosophical

outlook for it which is prime requiremnt )

In vedas there is solar calender and they made 5 yr yugas to

compensate this irregularity of adhika masas of lunar months and hence

lunar calenders ( al this is already happened in rig vedic period )

during vedic period sun was prime Lord ( remebr veda matha

gayatri mantra ( according to kaul it is greek mantra ) and his

movement was considered sacred and mithra worship was prime among

aryans where as varuna worship was more among other ancient sections

like asuras and mlechas of india ( who where sea farers and i think the

indus valley saraswathi culture is their contribution and it ended on

BC 1900 almost and since than vedic gangetic culture taken shape tho

the common tread of civilisation never changed and still continuing (

and there was no conflict in ideologies than former was community based

which build big cities and later was individual based and blved more in

personal devlpmnt and moksha than mega structure or projects but when

ramayana /Mahabharahta period u can see both culture is merging and

becoming one other wise u cannot see a mandir in vedic period and even

idols where as u can see even in ramyana and mahabharatha such temple

culture and vastu is used and even many times reference of mlechas

building cities for pandavas and others ( always depicted asuras has

more technology or big cities and beuitiful palaces )

 

so suns movmnts and sankranthies etc is worshipped and so

without a solar calender first in hand all this is not possible and

without rasies there is no sankranthies possible and lunar calenders

was later devlpmnt and moon was regrded as secondary god too ( because

to make thithies and nakshtras etc a fully devlped zodiacal concept is

required) .

other wise meshadi rasies are given in all puranas and if he

-mr kaul says all this happened after alexander came on tourist visa to

india then let him b given prime position in hindu grps and peple like

us to b banished because we dont proov anything .

the truth is a cook need not proov how the use of turmeric

in south indian cooking happened and will any one will call (or even

allow to call or ask to proov ) such a cook as fraud and charlattan

,other wise i also support and stil blvs any one can blv in any

religion or ideology so long as he is not a nuisance to others in civic

sense .

 

matha kunti says in Mahabharatha " bhagyavantham prasuyetha

ma sooram ma cha panditham " ( means a mother shud giv birth to

children's with luck than who is warriers or scholars ),so blv of luck

or daivatham or fate so in deep in hindu culture

hope i dont asked to proov more again and again than it is

his- kauls duty to proov his claims than poor ill equipped peope like

me who with lot of restrictions and limitations r being haunted .I was

just pointing out for what this grp is meant for by allowing let loose

of kaul's agendas .

i suggest a poll in grp to see the grp memebrs s attitude

on this matter and i welcome such a mov and i hope moderaters and

memebrs will not hav any objection for such a poll .

pls ask kaul to proov with valid proof than ooha poha s (

all guess work and simple name calling and spreading lies ) and as his

claims ( with historical and textual proofs than giving all credit and

leaniency to his western frnds or sponsors same time talking with full

volume with wel packed hidden words of absusing with indians and who

blv in indianess and hinduness (sorry for mistakes in typing as i am

using cell phone/or others net connections as i am in office without a

net connection to answer this so i just type and press sent button )

rgrds sunil nair --- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, I agree with you. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I am not surprised at the stand of the "hinducivilisation group" as the authorities of that group made it clear about three years ago that Astrology has no place in that group. It means that the "hinducivilization" group does not recognise astrology though astrology is one of the essential disciplines of Hindu scriptures and the Dharmashastra of Manu also says that kings must consult astrologer. I personally feel that any derecognition of Hindu astrology is against Hindu-civilisation. Because of anti-astrology stand of that group Kaulji will be able to continue his trade against Astrology there. It is an unfortunate situation but we cannot do a thing about it.. > > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > Sreenadh sreesog Fwd: kaul and calender or hidden agendas ????> > Saturday, March 28, 2009, 1:08 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:> > > dear ravi ji > > i sent a mail to grp and it did not appear on board and hence i am opening a new thread > > u said sunil nair dont prooved anything > sure ,because kaul was attacking us tru personal mails long> back and did answered him but he seems to keep on abusing and taking up> the same matter in various forums where many memebrs r not interested> or even aware of it,also subjuct matter is so vast and using net as> cover u can always twist it and create a scene and always hide behind> moderaters > my question is never answered( to proov his claims than> calling us frauds ) by him where as every one seems to giv him full> authority to abuse and even spread lies > latest lies abt shri BV Raman is similar one ,any one can> enquire abt it ( kaul wil keep on twisting when ever answered and he> will drag u to endless fights without intellectual honesty ) > > first of all vedas r not astrological texts ( and so many> books on vedas is still not avilable almost 1100 or more books where> there as vedas ) ,the word veda attached to vedic astrology or hindu> astrology means a branch of knowledge only ( like ayurveda or> stapathya veda or gandharva veda ,dhanurveda or ayudha veda or natya> veda etc it does not mean that full text is available in vedas ( the 4> vedas ) .Also every one knows diffrnt rishies contributed diffrnt> mantras in vedic texts and hence it is not a work Monolitthical one> like religious texts like quran or bible .I also said many times that> indian culture was never unilateral and no culture is same and various> grps contributed for it > even jain and budhists and all other indian religious> branches like saivism or tantrism etc contributed various things or> further devlped more > who is now known as under common umbrella as hindus ( even> many brahmin castes are latest one after adi sankara converted budhists> or other grps -for exmple even this kaul's are not vedic brahmins in> proper sense )> Now back to astronomy and astrology > ------------ --------- --------- --> for example there is mantras in rigveda that vasantha vishu as in mrigasheersha > there is evidence in vedanga jyothisha that when the text> was compiled sun was in avittam star ( 23 degree 20 minits onwards in> makra sign ) during makara samkranthi > in jain texts like surya pranjapti and jyothisha karandakam there is mention of makar samkranthi in tiruvonam star ( sravana ) > and varaha mihiras period it was in uthrada star and this is> more than enough to show how astrology and astronomy is devlped in> india than it is greek/chaldean contribution. Even megastanese ( the> greek ambasssdor to chandra guptas court ) quoted in his book INDICA (> around bc 350 ) that we hav a purticular section of grp in india who is> involved in predicting ( he uses the word philosophers and they were> financed by whole society for their needs and highly respected ) and> they where utilised by both royals and commoners and it is also written> that in case their prediction goes wrong they keep silence rest of> their life and livs a secluded life ( imagine their power of blf in> their sastra they practsing ) .So astrology is even recoded so earlier> ( just imagine how such a society will form ( where as it will take> 1000s of yrs to form such a society ) just after attack of alexander> who has to go back when his own army has no guts to mov ahead and what> ever they won in india was tru bribing and cheating those smal minute> kingdoms ) > Also mathematics was never devlped in greece b4 alexanders> attack to india where he took lot of peope to greece on his way back> who ever is specilaist in their own field and it was recorded in> history > babylonian astrology was always omen astrology( even chinese> used 12 animals in chinese astrology and says it is budhist> contribution ) than zodiacal one in reality and al available proofs> are proof of it .even if there is exchange of knowledge happened ( just> i am giving benefit of doubt ) with any other culture it is not a taboo> too as even kaul is promoting NASA and JPL datas and he always says it> shud b used for vedic calenders ( which he never shown to any grp nor> prooved even when asked 1000 times ) the truth is if he is making a> lunar calender sun position and an imaginary zodiac ( which he look for> meaning of zodiac in english dictionary than indian version of rasi> chakra or rahu sikhi chakra or phaneendra chakra-means eclipticasl path> of sun ( i dont understand why he sees english dictionary for sanskrit> words ) so much is his knowldge which he is after time waisting of> others who is not financed by any agencies and not even by ashrams or> dharmacharyas or even general public or kings ) ) is required and he> is hiding that fact .Even a lunar yr is maxi 354 days ,so he cannot> make a yrly calender with seasons as after 10 yrs there will b a > diffrnce of 110 days ,even the months which he says madhu ,madhav etc> is not lunatic one ( as he is lunatic than a lunarist like a muslim> calender and all arabs also changed now to normal european calnder tho> officialy they uses arbic calender - for exmple u can see ramdan month> tru out seasons --one season may b in winter and after some time u can> see it is in summer and kaul says we shud use such calender,without a> agricultural calender no culture can devlp wheter vedic or non vedic or> kaulian's-arabs where never agriculturists and that is why what ever> they copied even frm india got lost over a period of time -first their> religion dont support it and 2ndly they dont hav a philosophical> outlook for it which is prime requiremnt ) > In vedas there is solar calender and they made 5 yr yugas to> compensate this irregularity of adhika masas of lunar months and hence> lunar calenders ( al this is already happened in rig vedic period ) > during vedic period sun was prime Lord ( remebr veda matha> gayatri mantra ( according to kaul it is greek mantra ) and his> movement was considered sacred and mithra worship was prime among> aryans where as varuna worship was more among other ancient sections> like asuras and mlechas of india ( who where sea farers and i think the> indus valley saraswathi culture is their contribution and it ended on> BC 1900 almost and since than vedic gangetic culture taken shape tho> the common tread of civilisation never changed and still continuing (> and there was no conflict in ideologies than former was community based> which build big cities and later was individual based and blved more in> personal devlpmnt and moksha than mega structure or projects but when> ramayana /Mahabharahta period u can see both culture is merging and> becoming one other wise u cannot see a mandir in vedic period and even> idols where as u can see even in ramyana and mahabharatha such temple> culture and vastu is used and even many times reference of mlechas> building cities for pandavas and others ( always depicted asuras has> more technology or big cities and beuitiful palaces ) > > so suns movmnts and sankranthies etc is worshipped and so> without a solar calender first in hand all this is not possible and> without rasies there is no sankranthies possible and lunar calenders> was later devlpmnt and moon was regrded as secondary god too ( because> to make thithies and nakshtras etc a fully devlped zodiacal concept is> required) .> other wise meshadi rasies are given in all puranas and if he> -mr kaul says all this happened after alexander came on tourist visa to> india then let him b given prime position in hindu grps and peple like> us to b banished because we dont proov anything .> the truth is a cook need not proov how the use of turmeric> in south indian cooking happened and will any one will call (or even> allow to call or ask to proov ) such a cook as fraud and charlattan> ,other wise i also support and stil blvs any one can blv in any> religion or ideology so long as he is not a nuisance to others in civic> sense .> > matha kunti says in Mahabharatha " bhagyavantham prasuyetha> ma sooram ma cha panditham " ( means a mother shud giv birth to> children's with luck than who is warriers or scholars ),so blv of luck> or daivatham or fate so in deep in hindu culture > hope i dont asked to proov more again and again than it is> his- kauls duty to proov his claims than poor ill equipped peope like> me who with lot of restrictions and limitations r being haunted .I was> just pointing out for what this grp is meant for by allowing let loose> of kaul's agendas .> i suggest a poll in grp to see the grp memebrs s attitude> on this matter and i welcome such a mov and i hope moderaters and> memebrs will not hav any objection for such a poll .> pls ask kaul to proov with valid proof than ooha poha s (> all guess work and simple name calling and spreading lies ) and as his> claims ( with historical and textual proofs than giving all credit and> leaniency to his western frnds or sponsors same time talking with full> volume with wel packed hidden words of absusing with indians and who> blv in indianess and hinduness (sorry for mistakes in typing as i am> using cell phone/or others net connections as i am in office without a> net connection to answer this so i just type and press sent button )> rgrds sunil nair > > --- End forwarded message --->