Let us predict with Nakshatra alone!

March 28, 2009

Dear Chakraborty ji, May be it would be better if we take some Nakstara and try to derive the results (stating clear logics) based on Janmanakshatra phala and other classifications and compare it with real results. Like our exercise on "Let us predict with Lagna alone" let us see where this "Let us predict with Nakshatra alone" exercise goes. Then let us compare it with real results - we will come to know whether it is the "Janma Nakshtra Phala" given in classics or the logical application of Nakshatra classifications which helps us to reach more near to truth. Which Nakshatra we will prefer to start with? Aswini? or something else? May be Bohara ji will give the first major post on this exercise, I belive. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > Few years back, while I started learning astrology, I tried to use the> nakshatra> phala for ascendant nakshatra. I was referring to some website (I don't > exactly recall the site ..it was a site that gave results based on house,> sign,> nakshatra etc. - name starting with Astro...).> > I tried that for some 4-5 cases and wrote to my friends in a Palmistry > forum (International Plamistry forum, hosted by Sue Compton...might have> changed name recently.... I was known as Chakra there), in their> astro-palmistry> section. > > The writing composed of two parts..., first part based on nakshatra phala (I> used> the ascendant nakshatra)..it gave a general description. The second part> was > written by my 1st astrology Guru ..a junior colleague of mine. In all the> cases,> the writing appeared to have matched (based on the native's response). One> person> even remarked 95% matching. > > May be I was lucky. > > regards> > Chakraborty> > > > > msbohra62 [msbohra62]> Friday, March 27, 2009 9:00 PM> > Re: Nakshatra Phala (Not Dependable - Be> careful while using them)> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > I am very sorry to say that I am not agree with your view of point,others> are may be have some similar experiences as you have they may agree.> > We are not getting the result "as it is" for most of the astrological> positions in a chart as text says, that's not mean we not depend on them.We> are taking all indication of the text what they says and do analysis a chart> then comes to conclusion what are applicable and what extend.Similarly we> have to take the result of Birth-Nakshatra Phala and it works.> > I have Birth-Nakshatra "Purvabhadra" Charan-2nd my Moon is 25:26:10 degree> and what ever result says about this, I am getting the same.I am in Pharma> business,Educate in maths & Astrology.I have some extend research attitude.I> have permanent swelling in ankle of lag due to many time getting> bend(Moch).And others specialities which describe for this Janam Nakshatra> most of them i have in my character.> > Then who i can not use the Janam Nakshatra Phala.In my view as we are taking> Ascendant sign to describe the basic character and personality> characteristics if we include the Janam Nakshatra Phala than we are very> near to analyse the chart up to the mark.> > Other member will share their practical experiences than we can get some> other dimension of this topic.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

March 28, 2009

Dear Sreenadhji,

If you belive that I will give the first major post on this new thread which you

have started.I will do but before it please clear, what do you mean by " we will

come to know whether it is the " Janma Nakshtra Phala " given in classics or the

logical application of Nakshatra classifications which helps us to reach more

near to truth " .

1.Janam nakshatra Phala and

2.Logical application of Nakshatra classification.

What do you mean to say for above points,first make it clear.

Thanks,

M.S.bohra

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Chakraborty ji,

> May be it would be better if we take some Nakstara and try to derive

> the results (stating clear logics) based on Janmanakshatra phala and

> other classifications and compare it with real results.

> Like our exercise on " Let us predict with Lagna alone " let us see

> where this " Let us predict with Nakshatra alone " exercise goes. Then

> let us compare it with real results - we will come to know whether it is

> the " Janma Nakshtra Phala " given in classics or the logical application

> of Nakshatra classifications which helps us to reach more near to truth.

>

> Which Nakshatra we will prefer to start with? Aswini? or something

> else? May be Bohara ji will give the first major post on this exercise,

> I belive.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Chakraborty, PL "

> <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Few years back, while I started learning astrology, I tried to use

> the

> > nakshatra

> > phala for ascendant nakshatra. I was referring to some website (I

> don't

> > exactly recall the site ..it was a site that gave results based on

> house,

> > sign,

> > nakshatra etc. - name starting with Astro...).

> >

> > I tried that for some 4-5 cases and wrote to my friends in a Palmistry

> > forum (International Plamistry forum, hosted by Sue Compton...might

> have

> > changed name recently.... I was known as Chakra there), in their

> > astro-palmistry

> > section.

> >

> > The writing composed of two parts..., first part based on nakshatra

> phala (I

> > used

> > the ascendant nakshatra)..it gave a general description. The second

> part

> > was

> > written by my 1st astrology Guru ..a junior colleague of mine. In all

> the

> > cases,

> > the writing appeared to have matched (based on the native's response).

> One

> > person

> > even remarked 95% matching.

> >

> > May be I was lucky.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Chakraborty

> >

> > msbohra62 [msbohra62@]

> > Friday, March 27, 2009 9:00 PM

> >

> > Re: Nakshatra Phala (Not

> Dependable - Be

> > careful while using them)

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > I am very sorry to say that I am not agree with your view of

> point,others

> > are may be have some similar experiences as you have they may agree.

> >

> > We are not getting the result " as it is " for most of the astrological

> > positions in a chart as text says, that's not mean we not depend on

> them.We

> > are taking all indication of the text what they says and do analysis a

> chart

> > then comes to conclusion what are applicable and what extend.Similarly

> we

> > have to take the result of Birth-Nakshatra Phala and it works.

> >

> > I have Birth-Nakshatra " Purvabhadra " Charan-2nd my Moon is 25:26:10

> degree

> > and what ever result says about this, I am getting the same.I am in

> Pharma

> > business,Educate in maths & Astrology.I have some extend research

> attitude.I

> > have permanent swelling in ankle of lag due to many time getting

> > bend(Moch).And others specialities which describe for this Janam

> Nakshatra

> > most of them i have in my character.

> >

> > Then who i can not use the Janam Nakshatra Phala.In my view as we are

> taking

> > Ascendant sign to describe the basic character and personality

> > characteristics if we include the Janam Nakshatra Phala than we are

> very

> > near to analyse the chart up to the mark.

> >

> > Other member will share their practical experiences than we can get

> some

> > other dimension of this topic.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

>

March 28, 2009

Dear Bohra ji, //> 1.Janam nakshatra Phala and > 2.Logical application of Nakshatra classification.> > What do you mean to say for above points,first make it clear.// Actually it was already clarified, but I will clarify -1. Janma Nakshatra Phala-------------------------------- Results for birth star (Janma Nakshatra; i.e. Nakshatra in which Moon is placed at birth time) is given in many ancient Sanskrit astrological texts in as quotes. Text to text the result attributed to nakshatras varies and the logic behind the derivation of these results are also note clear in many cases. What I said was that, as per some ancient scholars like the 18th century Kaikulangara, these results (presented in those ancient quotes) should be treated as ADRIDHA (weak; non-dependable); but you argued that it is not so. That means as per your view, as I could understand, the Janma Nakshatra results given in those quotes are absolutely correct and sure to happen and should be considered as DRIDHA (strong; dependable). Such quotes describing Janma Nakshatra Phala is available in texts such as "Rikshaseela Adhyaya" (the thought to be interpolated chapter) of Brihat Jataka, "Panjanga Phala Sangraha", "Hridya Padha commentary of Brihat Jataka" and many more texts. The results given in those quotes for Janma Nakshatra is is what I mean by the words "Janma Nakshatra Phala".2. Logical application of Nakshatra classification--------------------------- Naksatras are classified into many categories such as Kula-Kualakula-Akula, Deva-Manushaya-Asura, Adhomukha-Tiryagmukha-Urdhwamukha etc for the purpose of result derivation by many astrological classics. Further there are divisions such as Maha Nakshatras, Gandanta Nakshatras etc as well. Every nakshatra is attributed with a Nakshatra lord, a deity and is given a Janmadi division name by texts like Adharva Jyotisha. Further some text like Brihat Samhita attributes several significance to each nakshatra. All these classifications and categorizations together form a logical base for deriving results connected with each nakshatra and also in identifying the result that will come through (like light through a lens) the planet when it is placed in a Nakshatra. This kind of result derivation system of attributing results to planet based on the nature of nakshatra the planet is placed in and the planet itself was popular from vedic and epic period itself, as evident from texts like Mahabharata and Ramayana. This system is there for seems to have enjoyed a better reputation regarding "Nakshatra Phala", as evident even from the words of scholars like Kaikulangara who clearly states so. My statement was only that I agree with the same, and depending too much on "Janma Nakshatra Phala" for "Nakshatra Phala" derivation would be taking a wrong path. Hope I am clear.Note: Of course it is also true that, using the 1st path is easy, and the second difficult.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > If you belive that I will give the first major post on this new thread which you have started.I will do but before it please clear, what do you mean by "we will come to know whether it is the "Janma Nakshtra Phala" given in classics or the logical application of Nakshatra classifications which helps us to reach more near to truth".> > 1.Janam nakshatra Phala and > 2.Logical application of Nakshatra classification.> > What do you mean to say for above points,first make it clear.> > Thanks,> > M.S.bohra

March 28, 2009

Dear Sreenadhji,

Janama Nakshatra Phala means at the time of birth, which Nakshatra Moon is

occupied.As like Moon Ascendant sign lord is also decide by this and what Dasa

period is running for native at the time of birth is also decided.At the time of

any of predication we give lot weight to Moon Ascendant because it repersent

mind and water of the body.Man is a result of chemical reaction and biological

synthesis.Every hormones,neurons,glands process is happends in the presence of

water or water is the medium.Every cell of body get the nourishment in the

medium of water and blood(Blood is also contain water).So Moon and Moon

ascendant is so important.As we know Planet is mirror,a reflector,he gives the

result of his nakshatra in which he poised.

As like Ascendant sign is very important because it lay out the basic of

native,so at the time of birth Moon is in which Nakshatra is also very

important.Many Astrologer making " Prshan-Lagna " by Nakshatra.

By the Janama Nakshatra Phala we can analyse the basic abilities of native.

And by Nakshatra Phala( as classified)we can get the knowledge of Dasa period

and Gochar effects on native,it will good or bad.

It is basic difference between these two.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

> //> 1.Janam nakshatra Phala and

> > 2.Logical application of Nakshatra classification.

> >

> > What do you mean to say for above points,first make it clear.//

>

> Actually it was already clarified, but I will clarify -

>

> 1. Janma Nakshatra Phala

> --------------------------------

> Results for birth star (Janma Nakshatra; i.e. Nakshatra in which

> Moon is placed at birth time) is given in many ancient Sanskrit

> astrological texts in as quotes. Text to text the result attributed to

> nakshatras varies and the logic behind the derivation of these results

> are also note clear in many cases. What I said was that, as per some

> ancient scholars like the 18th century Kaikulangara, these results

> (presented in those ancient quotes) should be treated as ADRIDHA (weak;

> non-dependable); but you argued that it is not so. That means as per

> your view, as I could understand, the Janma Nakshatra results given in

> those quotes are absolutely correct and sure to happen and should be

> considered as DRIDHA (strong; dependable). Such quotes describing Janma

> Nakshatra Phala is available in texts such as " Rikshaseela Adhyaya " (the

> thought to be interpolated chapter) of Brihat Jataka, " Panjanga Phala

> Sangraha " , " Hridya Padha commentary of Brihat Jataka " and many more

> texts. The results given in those quotes for Janma Nakshatra is is what

> I mean by the words " Janma Nakshatra Phala " .

> 2. Logical application of Nakshatra classification

> ---------------------------

> Naksatras are classified into many categories such as

> Kula-Kualakula-Akula, Deva-Manushaya-Asura,

> Adhomukha-Tiryagmukha-Urdhwamukha etc for the purpose of result

> derivation by many astrological classics. Further there are divisions

> such as Maha Nakshatras, Gandanta Nakshatras etc as well. Every

> nakshatra is attributed with a Nakshatra lord, a deity and is given a

> Janmadi division name by texts like Adharva Jyotisha. Further some text

> like Brihat Samhita attributes several significance to each nakshatra.

> All these classifications and categorizations together form a logical

> base for deriving results connected with each nakshatra and also in

> identifying the result that will come through (like light through a

> lens) the planet when it is placed in a Nakshatra. This kind of result

> derivation system of attributing results to planet based on the nature

> of nakshatra the planet is placed in and the planet itself was popular

> from vedic and epic period itself, as evident from texts like

> Mahabharata and Ramayana. This system is there for seems to have enjoyed

> a better reputation regarding " Nakshatra Phala " , as evident even from

> the words of scholars like Kaikulangara who clearly states so. My

> statement was only that I agree with the same, and depending too much on

> " Janma Nakshatra Phala " for " Nakshatra Phala " derivation would be taking

> a wrong path. Hope I am clear.

>

> Note: Of course it is also true that, using the 1st path is easy, and

> the second difficult.

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " msbohra62 "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > If you belive that I will give the first major post on this new thread

> which you have started.I will do but before it please clear, what do you

> mean by " we will come to know whether it is the " Janma Nakshtra Phala "

> given in classics or the logical application of Nakshatra

> classifications which helps us to reach more near to truth " .

> >

> > 1.Janam nakshatra Phala and

> > 2.Logical application of Nakshatra classification.

> >

> > What do you mean to say for above points,first make it clear.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.bohra

>

March 29, 2009

Dear Bohra j, Ascendant Sign helps us a lot in understanding the possible results. But the ancient system was to use Ascendant Nakshatra while predicting with Nakshatra Chakral alone. So let us keep aside the combined use of Nakshatr and Sign (which is a later development), and go with the use of Nakshatra Chakra alone, while discussing and trying to predict using Nakshatra alone. I would even request you to keep aside 'Vimsottari' dasa system to an extend which is a well defined system helping us to derive Dridha Phala. Our aim should be clarify the unclear areas of Nakshatra result derivation, technique, logic and approach while dealing with this subject. Theories aside, let us try to see what the below path say regarding for example "Aswani Nakshatra". The participants has to limit themselves to Nakshatra alone, and nothing else - for DERIVING results, and should clearly mention the logic they used to derive such results. We will later compare the derived results with reality - by requesting people to compare it with their real experience. This will help us the understand whether the results given in 'Janma Nakshatra Phala' quotes shows the better path or the the other part of logically applying the Nakshatra classifications and significance along with Janmadi division. So you start - let us start with the first Nakshatra itself, i.e. Aswini Nakshatra. What should be the results that should be attributed to an individual born in this Nakshatra (i.e. Moon in Aswini at the time of birth) and why?Love and regards,Sreenadh , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > Janama Nakshatra Phala means at the time of birth, which Nakshatra Moon is occupied.As like Moon Ascendant sign lord is also decide by this and what Dasa period is running for native at the time of birth is also decided.At the time of any of predication we give lot weight to Moon Ascendant because it repersent mind and water of the body.Man is a result of chemical reaction and biological synthesis.Every hormones,neurons,glands process is happends in the presence of water or water is the medium.Every cell of body get the nourishment in the medium of water and blood(Blood is also contain water).So Moon and Moon ascendant is so important.As we know Planet is mirror,a reflector,he gives the result of his nakshatra in which he poised.> As like Ascendant sign is very important because it lay out the basic of native,so at the time of birth Moon is in which Nakshatra is also very important.Many Astrologer making "Prshan-Lagna" by Nakshatra.> > By the Janama Nakshatra Phala we can analyse the basic abilities of native.> > And by Nakshatra Phala( as classified)we can get the knowledge of Dasa period and Gochar effects on native,it will good or bad.> > It is basic difference between these two.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

March 29, 2009

Well, I am sure, this is going to be a very tricky and interesting exercise........especially to learners like myself.Regs,

Anita--- On Sun, 29/3/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Let us predict with Nakshatra alone! Date: Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 3:34 AM

Dear Bohra j, Ascendant Sign helps us a lot in understanding the possible results. But the ancient system was to use Ascendant Nakshatra while predicting with Nakshatra Chakral alone. So let us keep aside the combined use of Nakshatr and Sign (which is a later development) , and go with the use of Nakshatra Chakra alone, while discussing and trying to predict using Nakshatra alone. I would even request you to keep aside 'Vimsottari' dasa system to an extend which is a well defined system helping us to derive Dridha Phala. Our aim should be clarify the unclear areas of Nakshatra result derivation, technique, logic and approach while dealing with this subject.. Theories aside, let us try to see what the below path say regarding for example "Aswani Nakshatra". The participants has to limit themselves to Nakshatra alone, and nothing else - for DERIVING

results, and should clearly mention the logic they used to derive such results. We will later compare the derived results with reality - by requesting people to compare it with their real experience. This will help us the understand whether the results given in 'Janma Nakshatra Phala' quotes shows the better path or the the other part of logically applying the Nakshatra classifications and significance along with Janmadi division. So you start - let us start with the first Nakshatra itself, i.e. Aswini Nakshatra. What should be the results that should be attributed to an individual born in this Nakshatra (i.e. Moon in Aswini at the time of birth) and why?Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62" <msbohra62@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > Janama Nakshatra Phala means at the time of birth, which Nakshatra Moon is

occupied.As like Moon Ascendant sign lord is also decide by this and what Dasa period is running for native at the time of birth is also decided.At the time of any of predication we give lot weight to Moon Ascendant because it repersent mind and water of the body.Man is a result of chemical reaction and biological synthesis.Every hormones,neurons, glands process is happends in the presence of water or water is the medium.Every cell of body get the nourishment in the medium of water and blood(Blood is also contain water).So Moon and Moon ascendant is so important.As we know Planet is mirror,a reflector,he gives the result of his nakshatra in which he poised.> As like Ascendant sign is very important because it lay out the basic of native,so at the time of birth Moon is in which Nakshatra is also very important.Many Astrologer making "Prshan-Lagna" by Nakshatra.> > By the Janama Nakshatra Phala we can analyse the basic abilities of

native.> > And by Nakshatra Phala( as classified)we can get the knowledge of Dasa period and Gochar effects on native,it will good or bad.> > It is basic difference between these two.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

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March 29, 2009

Dear Sreenadhji,

As we know we have 27 nakshatra and 12 house in a chart.Every house having 2 and

1/4 nakshatra and every Nakshatra have 4 charna (Pada).Every Pada (charana) have

3:20 degree and every house have 30:00 degree,so every house have 9 Pada

(charna).In Janama nakshatra Phala it is very important to know it because by

this we can calculate the every house lord and which is benefice Planet and

which are malefic Planets we can understand well.Our ancestor might be use this

theory to predict accurately.

Now what is the Tara- Chakra for Nakshatra : It is divided in 9 parts as :-

1.Janam (Birth) :1,10 and 19 Nakshatra from Janama nakshatra .

2.Sampat(Prosperity) : 2,11 and 20.

3.Vipat(Danger) : 3,12,21.

4.Shem(Happiness) : 4,13 and 22.

5.Prtyri(Enmity) : 5,14 and 23.

6.Sadhak(Favourable) : 6,15 and 24.

7.Vadh (Torture) : 7,16 and 25.

8.Metra (Friendship) : 8,17 and 26.

9.Atimetri (Intimate Friendship) : 9,18 and 27.

These are the Tara -chakra,you can calculate by each Janama Nakshatra,please

make it clear when we talk about janama nakshatra it is the Nakshatra of Moon at

the time of birth not arise in the sky at the time of birth.You can apply this

Tara chakra for both of Nakshatra.What is the use it is well defined by the

classification,which nakshatra in Gochar you can use it by this tara chakra for

result,what ever you will get by your Janama Nakshatra.

Now,as Sreenadhji invited me to do first starter about Janama Nakshatra Phala by

Ashvini.I am posting the same further our other members along with Sreenadhji

will contribute their share to feed the thread by their reach knowledge.

Ashvini Nakshatra Started from 0 degree to 13:20 degree,Nakshatra Lord is

Ketu,Rashi Lord is Arise.

Ashvini's main symbol is a " horse's head " . This Symbol, as we can see, is in

keeping with its name.The symbol of power, courage, movement and vitality.

One will realize that a horse's head conveys a certain amount of sensitivity and

alertness. Since Ashvini lies in the beginning of the sign Aries, which is seen

as representing the head of the kala purusha (the eternal being), it makes sense

that Ashvini be related to a head of some kind. The head of course relates to

the brain, the Controlling organ of all body functions. Thus Ashvini

automatically relates to mental impulses and leadership.

1.Body part : Head And Mind some also consider Nee which needs for movements.

2.Rog(Disease) : Head injuri,blood accumulation in Mind,Fever of

Mind,Paralysis,Loss of memory,Insomnia,Malaria,Gastritis,Headache,Brain

Hemorrhage.

3.Specialities : Since the Ashvini Kumaras are known for their charm, elegance,

style and extravagance - these qualities are reflected in the mental and

physical makeup of Ashvini natives.Their appearance is usually youthful and

eager. They seem to age less quickly than other nakshatra types. Ashvini natives

are usually brimming with life, have lively intelligence, a quick comprehension

ability and a happy go lucky disposition.Ashvini natives usually have a strong

spirit of adventure. It is a fearless nakshatra which derives satisfaction from

heroie pursuits.

The Ashvini peoples are Beautiful,sharp,wise,popular,fortunate,good

adviser,Aggressive,short temper,Always in hurry,expert in his

work,honest,Astro-lover,talkative,love to travel,Always worried for

properties,Bad relation with brother and respectable person.

Business (Karma) : Defenceforce,Polish,Judiciary,Jail,Railway,Machinery,Related

to Martel,Education,Writer,Surgeon,Horse rider or related to

horse,Industrialist,Sexologist,Doctor who treat Fertility etc.

If Ashvini Moon born person feedback with data it will help us to understand

well that this is how much useful.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra j,

> Ascendant Sign helps us a lot in understanding the possible results.

> But the ancient system was to use Ascendant Nakshatra while predicting

> with Nakshatra Chakral alone. So let us keep aside the combined use of

> Nakshatr and Sign (which is a later development), and go with the use of

> Nakshatra Chakra alone, while discussing and trying to predict using

> Nakshatra alone. I would even request you to keep aside 'Vimsottari'

> dasa system to an extend which is a well defined system helping us to

> derive Dridha Phala. Our aim should be clarify the unclear areas of

> Nakshatra result derivation, technique, logic and approach while dealing

> with this subject.

> Theories aside, let us try to see what the below path say regarding

> for example " Aswani Nakshatra " . The participants has to limit

> themselves to Nakshatra alone, and nothing else - for DERIVING results,

> and should clearly mention the logic they used to derive such results.

> We will later compare the derived results with reality - by requesting

> people to compare it with their real experience. This will help us the

> understand whether the results given in 'Janma Nakshatra Phala' quotes

> shows the better path or the the other part of logically applying the

> Nakshatra classifications and significance along with Janmadi division.

>

> So you start - let us start with the first Nakshatra itself, i.e.

> Aswini Nakshatra. What should be the results that should be attributed

> to an individual born in this Nakshatra (i.e. Moon in Aswini at the time

> of birth) and why?

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " msbohra62 "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > Janama Nakshatra Phala means at the time of birth, which Nakshatra

> Moon is occupied.As like Moon Ascendant sign lord is also decide by this

> and what Dasa period is running for native at the time of birth is also

> decided.At the time of any of predication we give lot weight to Moon

> Ascendant because it repersent mind and water of the body.Man is a

> result of chemical reaction and biological synthesis.Every

> hormones,neurons,glands process is happends in the presence of water or

> water is the medium.Every cell of body get the nourishment in the medium

> of water and blood(Blood is also contain water).So Moon and Moon

> ascendant is so important.As we know Planet is mirror,a reflector,he

> gives the result of his nakshatra in which he poised.

> > As like Ascendant sign is very important because it lay out the basic

> of native,so at the time of birth Moon is in which Nakshatra is also

> very important.Many Astrologer making " Prshan-Lagna " by Nakshatra.

> >

> > By the Janama Nakshatra Phala we can analyse the basic abilities of

> native.

> >

> > And by Nakshatra Phala( as classified)we can get the knowledge of Dasa

> period and Gochar effects on native,it will good or bad.

> >

> > It is basic difference between these two.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

>

March 29, 2009

Dear Bohraji and Sreenadhji,

I am not looking in to interfere, but just to share and contribute.

You both are right.

The Janma nakshatra Phala is the phal which one may expect at the time of Birth of the child ( For instance the gadanta results are quite famous , Moola, jyestha, Ashlesha etc. ) . These cannot be just waived off. They also provide a general reading about the Life of the child what course it could take. For instance the 4 padas of Moola Nakshatra have a different story to tell, out of which one story is good to read, while the others are not. It will also show the deep propensities in the native. For instance the Moola native does not like to hear anything as hearsay and just accept it. He likes to go deep down in his study of the particular element he is looking for and will be satisfied only when he reaches the crux. Thus the inferences can be drawn abou the potent and latent propensities and potential, in the child born.

Also the janma Nakshatra is to be used for remedial measures throughout his Life, whenever the native is facing adversities. He will have to in this case of moola janma, do poojas for the Planet Ketu, who is the Lord of this Nakshatra. In day to day life he must eat Mula (The white vegetable) in his food, as much as he can, which represents Moola the nakshatra. Or he may keep it near his head while sleeping and give it away in the morning to reduce his mental affluctions and tensions. He must also try to get ashwagandha and make use of it for it represents the planet ketu. He must worship Lord Ganesha who presides over this nakshatra. Thus there are many such uses of the janma nakshatra which i will not go into presently.

But thats it.

Beyond this, one has to look for Nakshatra phala of various other planets too, at time of birth for the total assessment of the various areas of life, as what to expect when in ones Life, during influence of a certain planet during its stay as a Dasha or as antardasha lord. For predictive purposes, just the janma nakshatra phala would not suffice.

As regards to the personality traits, help may also be taken from the Lagna nakshatra in whichever degrees it falls, which will overlap the janma nakshatra results. Why so ? Because for all the 24 hours of the day till the Moon stays in a particular nakshatra, lakhs of children would be born all over the world, and all cannot possibly possess the same traits. So we have now to narrow down for predictive purposes to the Lagna nakshatra.Then a smart astrologer has to use his knowledge and study of the Janma nakshatra and the Lagna nakshatra , along with the Lagna which appears, and the planets placed in the lagna, and after making a good mix, arrive at a conclusive deduction of what may come to pass, through his intuition powers supplemented by his study.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > As we know we have 27 nakshatra and 12 house in a chart.Every house having 2 and 1/4 nakshatra and every Nakshatra have 4 charna (Pada).Every Pada (charana) have 3:20 degree and every house have 30:00 degree,so every house have 9 Pada (charna).In Janama nakshatra Phala it is very important to know it because by this we can calculate the every house lord and which is benefice Planet and which are malefic Planets we can understand well.Our ancestor might be use this theory to predict accurately.> > Now what is the Tara- Chakra for Nakshatra : It is divided in 9 parts as :-> 1.Janam (Birth) :1,10 and 19 Nakshatra from Janama nakshatra .> 2.Sampat(Prosperity) : 2,11 and 20.> 3.Vipat(Danger) : 3,12,21.> 4.Shem(Happiness) : 4,13 and 22.> 5.Prtyri(Enmity) : 5,14 and 23.> 6.Sadhak(Favourable) : 6,15 and 24.> 7.Vadh (Torture) : 7,16 and 25.> 8.Metra (Friendship) : 8,17 and 26.> 9.Atimetri (Intimate Friendship) : 9,18 and 27.> > These are the Tara -chakra,you can calculate by each Janama Nakshatra,please make it clear when we talk about janama nakshatra it is the Nakshatra of Moon at the time of birth not arise in the sky at the time of birth.You can apply this Tara chakra for both of Nakshatra.What is the use it is well defined by the classification,which nakshatra in Gochar you can use it by this tara chakra for result,what ever you will get by your Janama Nakshatra.> > Now,as Sreenadhji invited me to do first starter about Janama Nakshatra Phala by Ashvini.I am posting the same further our other members along with Sreenadhji will contribute their share to feed the thread by their reach knowledge.> > Ashvini Nakshatra Started from 0 degree to 13:20 degree,Nakshatra Lord is Ketu,Rashi Lord is Arise.> Ashvini's main symbol is a "horse's head". This Symbol, as we can see, is in keeping with its name.The symbol of power, courage, movement and vitality.> One will realize that a horse's head conveys a certain amount of sensitivity and alertness. Since Ashvini lies in the beginning of the sign Aries, which is seen as representing the head of the kala purusha (the eternal being), it makes sense that Ashvini be related to a head of some kind. The head of course relates to the brain, the Controlling organ of all body functions. Thus Ashvini automatically relates to mental impulses and leadership.> 1.Body part : Head And Mind some also consider Nee which needs for movements.> > 2.Rog(Disease) : Head injuri,blood accumulation in Mind,Fever of Mind,Paralysis,Loss of memory,Insomnia,Malaria,Gastritis,Headache,Brain Hemorrhage.> > 3.Specialities : Since the Ashvini Kumaras are known for their charm, elegance, style and extravagance - these qualities are reflected in the mental and physical makeup of Ashvini natives.Their appearance is usually youthful and eager. They seem to age less quickly than other nakshatra types. Ashvini natives are usually brimming with life, have lively intelligence, a quick comprehension ability and a happy go lucky disposition.Ashvini natives usually have a strong spirit of adventure. It is a fearless nakshatra which derives satisfaction from heroie pursuits.> > The Ashvini peoples are Beautiful,sharp,wise,popular,fortunate,good adviser,Aggressive,short temper,Always in hurry,expert in his work,honest,Astro-lover,talkative,love to travel,Always worried for properties,Bad relation with brother and respectable person.> > Business (Karma) : Defenceforce,Polish,Judiciary,Jail,Railway,Machinery,Related to Martel,Education,Writer,Surgeon,Horse rider or related to horse,Industrialist,Sexologist,Doctor who treat Fertility etc. > If Ashvini Moon born person feedback with data it will help us to understand well that this is how much useful.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > > > > , "Sreenadh" sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bohra j,> > Ascendant Sign helps us a lot in understanding the possible results.> > But the ancient system was to use Ascendant Nakshatra while predicting> > with Nakshatra Chakral alone. So let us keep aside the combined use of> > Nakshatr and Sign (which is a later development), and go with the use of> > Nakshatra Chakra alone, while discussing and trying to predict using> > Nakshatra alone. I would even request you to keep aside 'Vimsottari'> > dasa system to an extend which is a well defined system helping us to> > derive Dridha Phala. Our aim should be clarify the unclear areas of> > Nakshatra result derivation, technique, logic and approach while dealing> > with this subject.> > Theories aside, let us try to see what the below path say regarding> > for example "Aswani Nakshatra". The participants has to limit> > themselves to Nakshatra alone, and nothing else - for DERIVING results,> > and should clearly mention the logic they used to derive such results.> > We will later compare the derived results with reality - by requesting> > people to compare it with their real experience. This will help us the> > understand whether the results given in 'Janma Nakshatra Phala' quotes> > shows the better path or the the other part of logically applying the> > Nakshatra classifications and significance along with Janmadi division.> > > > So you start - let us start with the first Nakshatra itself, i.e.> > Aswini Nakshatra. What should be the results that should be attributed> > to an individual born in this Nakshatra (i.e. Moon in Aswini at the time> > of birth) and why?> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "msbohra62"> > <msbohra62@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > Janama Nakshatra Phala means at the time of birth, which Nakshatra> > Moon is occupied.As like Moon Ascendant sign lord is also decide by this> > and what Dasa period is running for native at the time of birth is also> > decided.At the time of any of predication we give lot weight to Moon> > Ascendant because it repersent mind and water of the body.Man is a> > result of chemical reaction and biological synthesis.Every> > hormones,neurons,glands process is happends in the presence of water or> > water is the medium.Every cell of body get the nourishment in the medium> > of water and blood(Blood is also contain water).So Moon and Moon> > ascendant is so important.As we know Planet is mirror,a reflector,he> > gives the result of his nakshatra in which he poised.> > > As like Ascendant sign is very important because it lay out the basic> > of native,so at the time of birth Moon is in which Nakshatra is also> > very important.Many Astrologer making "Prshan-Lagna" by Nakshatra.> > >> > > By the Janama Nakshatra Phala we can analyse the basic abilities of> > native.> > >> > > And by Nakshatra Phala( as classified)we can get the knowledge of Dasa> > period and Gochar effects on native,it will good or bad.> > >> > > It is basic difference between these two.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> >>

March 29, 2009

// So you start - let us start with the first Nakshatra itself, i.e.

Aswini Nakshatra. What should be the results that should be attributed

to an individual born in this Nakshatra (i.e. Moon in Aswini at the time of

birth) and why?//

My inputs on this. Following is the details of Ashwini Nakshatra. I have copied

this from a word document in the classes groups. This was compiled by a

respected member.

Ashwini nakshatra (Castor and Pullox). From 00.00 to 13.20 Mesha or Aries.

Devata for Ashwini Nakshatra is Ashwi or the Duality known as Ashwini Kumar

Twins, the physician of the Gods. Symbol - the head of a horse. Ruler Ketu. So,

by the influence of this star the native is expected to be equestrian

(horse-ride) or a soldier, also a physician with marvelous power to heal. The

after-speak of physician's excellence or process. It is possible, in the

horoscopes of these physicians it will be seen that the Graha for successful

medical practice is positioned in Ashwini Nakshatra. From Ashwi is supposed to

be derived carriages for animals for transport, everything related to transport

and transport department. The Puranas relate that the two Ashwini Kumaras were

born of mother Sanga and father Ravi. The mother held the solar semen in her

nostrils, for otherwise she could not hold it, it is so strong. They are the

twins of Sanga and therefore this Nakshatra is supposed to produce twins. Mars

in this Nakshatra - especially if the Lagna is in Kumbha and Mars in

bhatrusthana indicates twin brother and sister for the native. Or if Ravi, Guru

or Pitru Karaka or lord of the Bhava signifying father or son in a similar way

is in this Nakshatra then the father or any of the uncles or any of the children

may be one of the twins.

If you are born when the Moon was in Ashwini nakshatra, you are scrupulous,

prosperous, obedient, truthful, and obtain all comforts. You are endowed with

good family and children and wealth. You are daring, handsome and well off. You

are a capable administrator, cruel, of big body and respected. You sacrifice

money, have a good conduct and an enjoyer. You are quick and candid, a knower of

scriptures, rational and succeed in quarrels. You have long hands and wide eyes.

You are respected by kings and speak sweetly. You are daring, arrogant, thief,

and a fraud. You are unkind, practice forbidden paths, intelligent, and contain

some symbol on their girdle. You are fickle and undertake traveling. You may

court other women and are farsighted. You are not independent, but strong.

March 29, 2009

Dear Bhagavati ji, May be this is not the 'systematic approach' we want to follow in this discussion - or better we want it to be 'more' systematic. Let me clarify -//> Ashwini nakshatra (Castor and Pullox)// Castor and Pullox ar the Yogataras of Aswini Nakshatra as per the 'old' concept (the understanding 'before' the equal division). //Devata for Ashwini Nakshatra is Ashwi or the Duality known as Ashwini

Kumar Twins, the physician of the Gods. Symbol - the head of a horse.

Ruler Ketu. So, by the influence of this star the native is expected to

be equestrian (horse-ride) or a soldier, also a physician with

marvelous power to heal. The after-speak of physician's excellence or

process. It is possible, in the horoscopes of these physicians it will

be seen that the Graha for successful medical practice is positioned in

Ashwini Nakshatra.// Now this is a result derived based on 'Nakshatra Devata' , a type of classification. I don't think this derivation and concept is correct. How correct it is to derive 'a soldier' (actually the derivation comes from the Aries lord mars and not from horse!), from horse? Why not a horse keeper, or a horse itself, or just some kind of vehicle (e.g. some profession associated with vehicles)? Also the question comes - how true is this derivation? How many Aswini born people are into the 'soldier' profession or to the diametrically opposite physician profession? The physician profession is one derived, since 'Aswini kumaras' are thought to be the 'divine healers' - but is that an astrological concept? How many of the Aswini born people are really doctors? What about Saravali calling the 1st Aswini 1st pada (Aries 1st Navamsa) as thieves? What about the contradicting pada results assigned to the 4 padas of Aswini? Is it not true that the above results are just derived from the "Name similarity" or "Word Similarity" ("Aswini kumaras") only and not based on any other sound logic? //From Ashwi is supposed to be derived carriages for animals for

transport, everything related to transport and transport department.

The Puranas relate that the two Ashwini Kumaras were born of mother

Sanga and father Ravi. The mother held the solar semen in her nostrils,

for otherwise she could not hold it, it is so strong. They are the

twins of Sanga and therefore this Nakshatra is supposed to produce

twins.// Even though I don't object about some Aswini born people being in transport related profession - is not again 'Puranic stories taking upper hand over astrology?'; how correct is this approach especially when scholars like Mihira are against 'Prasna Pratiprasna Katha prasanga' (simple question answers and story telling) and ask us to concentrate on fundamental astrological concepts, classifications and logic to derive results? // They are the twins of Sanga and therefore this Nakshatra is supposed to produce twins. // Again puranic story. I agree that Aswini kumaras are twins; but how many Aswini born twins have you ever seen? I wonder whether it could be true. I am yet to see an 'Aswini born twin'. //Mars in this Nakshatra - especially if the Lagna is in Kumbha and Mars

in bhatrusthana indicates twin brother and sister for the native. Or if

Ravi, Guru or Pitru Karaka or lord of the Bhava signifying father or

son in a similar way is in this Nakshatra then the father or any of the

uncles or any of the children may be one of the twins.// This is not correct approach. We are speaking about Nakshatras and not about signs. If you want to consider the lord, the better consider the Nakshatra lord Ketu and NOT the Sign lord. Our thread reads - "Let us predict with Nakshatra alone!" Any way whether right or wrong - almost the whole of above derivations were based on nakshtra significance, classifications etc and NOT the Janma Nakshatra Phala given in classics. You refer to the Janma Nakshatra Phala (as per classics) in the following lines -//> If you are born when the Moon was in Ashwini nakshatra, you are

scrupulous, prosperous, obedient, truthful, and obtain all comforts.

You are endowed with good family and children and wealth. You are

daring, handsome and well off. You are a capable administrator, cruel,

of big body and respected. You sacrifice money, have a good conduct and

an enjoyer. You are quick and candid, a knower of scriptures, rational

and succeed in quarrels. You have long hands and wide eyes. You are

respected by kings and speak sweetly. You are daring, arrogant, thief,

and a fraud. You are unkind, practice forbidden paths, intelligent, and

contain some symbol on their girdle. You are fickle and undertake

traveling. You may court other women and are farsighted. You are not

independent, but strong.// OK - that was straight. But what is the LOGIC behind those derivations?!! If none was told in those texts, then can we supply some of our own? Are they simply based on Nakshatra alone or derived by considering Aries and the Aries lord Mars as well? And another major question is - are they correct at all? Hope you see the point. I request you to make an attempt again on results indicated by Aswini Nakshatra - considering all these questions as well.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> // So you start - let us start with the first Nakshatra itself, i.e.> Aswini Nakshatra. What should be the results that should be attributed> to an individual born in this Nakshatra (i.e. Moon in Aswini at the time of birth) and why?//> > My inputs on this. Following is the details of Ashwini Nakshatra. I have copied this from a word document in the classes groups. This was compiled by a respected member. > > Ashwini nakshatra (Castor and Pullox). From 00.00 to 13.20 Mesha or Aries. Devata for Ashwini Nakshatra is Ashwi or the Duality known as Ashwini Kumar Twins, the physician of the Gods. Symbol - the head of a horse. Ruler Ketu. So, by the influence of this star the native is expected to be equestrian (horse-ride) or a soldier, also a physician with marvelous power to heal. The after-speak of physician's excellence or process. It is possible, in the horoscopes of these physicians it will be seen that the Graha for successful medical practice is positioned in Ashwini Nakshatra. From Ashwi is supposed to be derived carriages for animals for transport, everything related to transport and transport department. The Puranas relate that the two Ashwini Kumaras were born of mother Sanga and father Ravi. The mother held the solar semen in her nostrils, for otherwise she could not hold it, it is so strong. They are the twins of Sanga and therefore this Nakshatra is supposed to produce twins. Mars in this Nakshatra - especially if the Lagna is in Kumbha and Mars in bhatrusthana indicates twin brother and sister for the native. Or if Ravi, Guru or Pitru Karaka or lord of the Bhava signifying father or son in a similar way is in this Nakshatra then the father or any of the uncles or any of the children may be one of the twins. > > If you are born when the Moon was in Ashwini nakshatra, you are scrupulous, prosperous, obedient, truthful, and obtain all comforts. You are endowed with good family and children and wealth. You are daring, handsome and well off. You are a capable administrator, cruel, of big body and respected. You sacrifice money, have a good conduct and an enjoyer. You are quick and candid, a knower of scriptures, rational and succeed in quarrels. You have long hands and wide eyes. You are respected by kings and speak sweetly. You are daring, arrogant, thief, and a fraud. You are unkind, practice forbidden paths, intelligent, and contain some symbol on their girdle. You are fickle and undertake traveling. You may court other women and are farsighted. You are not independent, but strong.>

March 29, 2009

Dear Sreenadhji and all,

I am giving the details of a man

May 7, 1967; 10.24pm, Tirunelveli, India

He is born in Ashwini nakshatra-1 (Gandanta born). Now what is his profession.

This is a quiz. We can try to arrive at it based on Ashwini nakshatra and then

compare it with what really he is. Anybody interested? I will let you know of

his profession, when we see fair number of responses. Take your own time

This may be a better way to learn to predict with nakshatra!!

Regards,

bhagavathi

March 29, 2009

Dear Bhaskarji,

What I have mentioned in starting lines of my post,Moon is also moving not

stable.Every Nakshatra have 4 pada and degree wise every thing changing every

Gati/pal,this changing the all houses nakshatra combinations.As if a person born

just at starting point of Ashvini then 5th house will started by Magh

Nakshatra,if after some time he will born than magh's 1st Pada will be in 4th

house as like this every house will be change and accordingly every aspects will

change.We do not have details of these result with us so we are failed to

analysis by this system.

Pada will change it will change the Navmansa of Moon.

My view is that,we can use Janama Nakshatra to predict Gun/Dosa of

native,his/her characteristics well as like we use the Sign Ascendant.If we take

Sign Ascendant for prediction the whre about the native that's not mean the only

Sign is involved in that result, as text says they have considering all house in

respect the particular sign in Ascendant,as 5th lord will express

Budhi/Chaturya,Child etc,what will be the lord of 9th or 10 or 11 or 8 or 8 or

12 and what is the relation with Sign lord by naturally and by house

representation.That is all consider to the result of a Sign as Ascendant.

Our Rishi/Maha Rishi have predicted by Nakshatra and Planets but we did not have

the text of their reading result.Theory was may be the same which I have

mentioned above.

Thanks,

M.S.bohra

-- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bohraji and Sreenadhji,

>

> I am not looking in to interfere, but just to share and contribute.

>

> You both are right.

>

> The Janma nakshatra Phala is the phal which one may expect at the time

> of Birth of the child ( For instance the gadanta results are quite

> famous , Moola, jyestha, Ashlesha etc. ) . These cannot be just waived

> off. They also provide a general reading about the Life of the child

> what course it could take. For instance the 4 padas of Moola Nakshatra

> have a different story to tell, out of which one story is good to read,

> while the others are not. It will also show the deep propensities in the

> native. For instance the Moola native does not like to hear anything as

> hearsay and just accept it. He likes to go deep down in his study of the

> particular element he is looking for and will be satisfied only when he

> reaches the crux. Thus the inferences can be drawn abou the potent and

> latent propensities and potential, in the child born.

>

> Also the janma Nakshatra is to be used for remedial measures throughout

> his Life, whenever the native is facing adversities. He will have to in

> this case of moola janma, do poojas for the Planet Ketu, who is the Lord

> of this Nakshatra. In day to day life he must eat Mula (The white

> vegetable) in his food, as much as he can, which represents Moola the

> nakshatra. Or he may keep it near his head while sleeping and give it

> away in the morning to reduce his mental affluctions and tensions. He

> must also try to get ashwagandha and make use of it for it represents

> the planet ketu. He must worship Lord Ganesha who presides over this

> nakshatra. Thus there are many such uses of the janma nakshatra which i

> will not go into presently.

>

> But thats it.

>

> Beyond this, one has to look for Nakshatra phala of various other

> planets too, at time of birth for the total assessment of the various

> areas of life, as what to expect when in ones Life, during influence of

> a certain planet during its stay as a Dasha or as antardasha lord. For

> predictive purposes, just the janma nakshatra phala would not suffice.

>

> As regards to the personality traits, help may also be taken from the

> Lagna nakshatra in whichever degrees it falls, which will overlap the

> janma nakshatra results. Why so ? Because for all the 24 hours of the

> day till the Moon stays in a particular nakshatra, lakhs of children

> would be born all over the world, and all cannot possibly possess the

> same traits. So we have now to narrow down for predictive purposes to

> the Lagna nakshatra.Then a smart astrologer has to use his knowledge and

> study of the Janma nakshatra and the Lagna nakshatra , along with the

> Lagna which appears, and the planets placed in the lagna, and after

> making a good mix, arrive at a conclusive deduction of what may come to

> pass, through his intuition powers supplemented by his study.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

, " msbohra62 "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > As we know we have 27 nakshatra and 12 house in a chart.Every house

> having 2 and 1/4 nakshatra and every Nakshatra have 4 charna

> (Pada).Every Pada (charana) have 3:20 degree and every house have 30:00

> degree,so every house have 9 Pada (charna).In Janama nakshatra Phala it

> is very important to know it because by this we can calculate the every

> house lord and which is benefice Planet and which are malefic Planets we

> can understand well.Our ancestor might be use this theory to predict

> accurately.

> >

> > Now what is the Tara- Chakra for Nakshatra : It is divided in 9 parts

> as :-

> > 1.Janam (Birth) :1,10 and 19 Nakshatra from Janama nakshatra .

> > 2.Sampat(Prosperity) : 2,11 and 20.

> > 3.Vipat(Danger) : 3,12,21.

> > 4.Shem(Happiness) : 4,13 and 22.

> > 5.Prtyri(Enmity) : 5,14 and 23.

> > 6.Sadhak(Favourable) : 6,15 and 24.

> > 7.Vadh (Torture) : 7,16 and 25.

> > 8.Metra (Friendship) : 8,17 and 26.

> > 9.Atimetri (Intimate Friendship) : 9,18 and 27.

> >

> > These are the Tara -chakra,you can calculate by each Janama

> Nakshatra,please make it clear when we talk about janama nakshatra it is

> the Nakshatra of Moon at the time of birth not arise in the sky at the

> time of birth.You can apply this Tara chakra for both of Nakshatra.What

> is the use it is well defined by the classification,which nakshatra in

> Gochar you can use it by this tara chakra for result,what ever you will

> get by your Janama Nakshatra.

> >

> > Now,as Sreenadhji invited me to do first starter about Janama

> Nakshatra Phala by Ashvini.I am posting the same further our other

> members along with Sreenadhji will contribute their share to feed the

> thread by their reach knowledge.

> >

> > Ashvini Nakshatra Started from 0 degree to 13:20 degree,Nakshatra Lord

> is Ketu,Rashi Lord is Arise.

> > Ashvini's main symbol is a " horse's head " . This Symbol, as we can see,

> is in keeping with its name.The symbol of power, courage, movement and

> vitality.

> > One will realize that a horse's head conveys a certain amount of

> sensitivity and alertness. Since Ashvini lies in the beginning of the

> sign Aries, which is seen as representing the head of the kala purusha

> (the eternal being), it makes sense that Ashvini be related to a head of

> some kind. The head of course relates to the brain, the Controlling

> organ of all body functions. Thus Ashvini automatically relates to

> mental impulses and leadership.

> > 1.Body part : Head And Mind some also consider Nee which needs for

> movements.

> >

> > 2.Rog(Disease) : Head injuri,blood accumulation in Mind,Fever of

> Mind,Paralysis,Loss of memory,Insomnia,Malaria,Gastritis,Headache,Brain

> Hemorrhage.

> >

> > 3.Specialities : Since the Ashvini Kumaras are known for their charm,

> elegance, style and extravagance - these qualities are reflected in the

> mental and physical makeup of Ashvini natives.Their appearance is

> usually youthful and eager. They seem to age less quickly than other

> nakshatra types. Ashvini natives are usually brimming with life, have

> lively intelligence, a quick comprehension ability and a happy go lucky

> disposition.Ashvini natives usually have a strong spirit of adventure.

> It is a fearless nakshatra which derives satisfaction from heroie

> pursuits.

> >

> > The Ashvini peoples are Beautiful,sharp,wise,popular,fortunate,good

> adviser,Aggressive,short temper,Always in hurry,expert in his

> work,honest,Astro-lover,talkative,love to travel,Always worried for

> properties,Bad relation with brother and respectable person.

> >

> > Business (Karma) :

> Defenceforce,Polish,Judiciary,Jail,Railway,Machinery,Related to

> Martel,Education,Writer,Surgeon,Horse rider or related to

> horse,Industrialist,Sexologist,Doctor who treat Fertility etc.

> > If Ashvini Moon born person feedback with data it will help us to

> understand well that this is how much useful.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , " Sreenadh " sreesog@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra j,

> > > Ascendant Sign helps us a lot in understanding the possible results.

> > > But the ancient system was to use Ascendant Nakshatra while

> predicting

> > > with Nakshatra Chakral alone. So let us keep aside the combined use

> of

> > > Nakshatr and Sign (which is a later development), and go with the

> use of

> > > Nakshatra Chakra alone, while discussing and trying to predict using

> > > Nakshatra alone. I would even request you to keep aside 'Vimsottari'

> > > dasa system to an extend which is a well defined system helping us

> to

> > > derive Dridha Phala. Our aim should be clarify the unclear areas of

> > > Nakshatra result derivation, technique, logic and approach while

> dealing

> > > with this subject.

> > > Theories aside, let us try to see what the below path say regarding

> > > for example " Aswani Nakshatra " . The participants has to limit

> > > themselves to Nakshatra alone, and nothing else - for DERIVING

> results,

> > > and should clearly mention the logic they used to derive such

> results.

> > > We will later compare the derived results with reality - by

> requesting

> > > people to compare it with their real experience. This will help us

> the

> > > understand whether the results given in 'Janma Nakshatra Phala'

> quotes

> > > shows the better path or the the other part of logically applying

> the

> > > Nakshatra classifications and significance along with Janmadi

> division.

> > >

> > > So you start - let us start with the first Nakshatra itself, i.e.

> > > Aswini Nakshatra. What should be the results that should be

> attributed

> > > to an individual born in this Nakshatra (i.e. Moon in Aswini at the

> time

> > > of birth) and why?

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " msbohra62 "

> > > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > Janama Nakshatra Phala means at the time of birth, which Nakshatra

> > > Moon is occupied.As like Moon Ascendant sign lord is also decide by

> this

> > > and what Dasa period is running for native at the time of birth is

> also

> > > decided.At the time of any of predication we give lot weight to Moon

> > > Ascendant because it repersent mind and water of the body.Man is a

> > > result of chemical reaction and biological synthesis.Every

> > > hormones,neurons,glands process is happends in the presence of water

> or

> > > water is the medium.Every cell of body get the nourishment in the

> medium

> > > of water and blood(Blood is also contain water).So Moon and Moon

> > > ascendant is so important.As we know Planet is mirror,a reflector,he

> > > gives the result of his nakshatra in which he poised.

> > > > As like Ascendant sign is very important because it lay out the

> basic

> > > of native,so at the time of birth Moon is in which Nakshatra is also

> > > very important.Many Astrologer making " Prshan-Lagna " by Nakshatra.

> > > >

> > > > By the Janama Nakshatra Phala we can analyse the basic abilities

> of

> > > native.

> > > >

> > > > And by Nakshatra Phala( as classified)we can get the knowledge of

> Dasa

> > > period and Gochar effects on native,it will good or bad.

> > > >

> > > > It is basic difference between these two.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> >

>

March 29, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji, Thanks for the informative mail. I specially liked the following part that speaks about Gandanta Dosha etc.==>The Janma nakshatra Phala is the phal which one may expect at the

time of Birth of the child ( For instance the gadanta results are quite

famous , Moola, jyestha, Ashlesha etc. ) . These cannot be just waived

off. They also provide a general reading about the Life of the child

what course it could take. For instance the 4 padas of Moola Nakshatra

have a different story to tell, out of which one story is good to read,

while the others are not. It will also show the deep propensities in

the native. For instance the Moola native does not like to hear

anything as hearsay and just accept it. He likes to go deep down in his

study of the particular element he is looking for and will be satisfied

only when he reaches the crux. Thus the inferences can be drawn abou

the potent and latent propensities and potential, in the child born.

Also the janma Nakshatra is to be used for remedial measures

throughout his Life, whenever the native is facing adversities. He

will have to in this case of moola janma, do poojas for the Planet

Ketu, who is the Lord of this Nakshatra. In day to day life he must eat

Mula (The white vegetable) in his food, as much as he can, which

represents Moola the nakshatra. Or he may keep it near his head while

sleeping and give it away in the morning to reduce his mental

affluctions and tensions. He must also try to get ashwagandha and make

use of it for it represents the planet ketu. He must worship Lord

Ganesha who presides over this nakshatra. Thus there are many such uses of the janma nakshatra which i will not go into presently.<== I agree with you. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Bohraji and Sreenadhji,> > I am not looking in to interfere, but just to share and contribute.> > You both are right.> > The Janma nakshatra Phala is the phal which one may expect at the time> of Birth of the child ( For instance the gadanta results are quite> famous , Moola, jyestha, Ashlesha etc. ) . These cannot be just waived> off. They also provide a general reading about the Life of the child> what course it could take. For instance the 4 padas of Moola Nakshatra> have a different story to tell, out of which one story is good to read,> while the others are not. It will also show the deep propensities in the> native. For instance the Moola native does not like to hear anything as> hearsay and just accept it. He likes to go deep down in his study of the> particular element he is looking for and will be satisfied only when he> reaches the crux. Thus the inferences can be drawn abou the potent and> latent propensities and potential, in the child born.> > Also the janma Nakshatra is to be used for remedial measures throughout> his Life, whenever the native is facing adversities. He will have to in> this case of moola janma, do poojas for the Planet Ketu, who is the Lord> of this Nakshatra. In day to day life he must eat Mula (The white> vegetable) in his food, as much as he can, which represents Moola the> nakshatra. Or he may keep it near his head while sleeping and give it> away in the morning to reduce his mental affluctions and tensions. He> must also try to get ashwagandha and make use of it for it represents> the planet ketu. He must worship Lord Ganesha who presides over this> nakshatra. Thus there are many such uses of the janma nakshatra which i> will not go into presently.> > But thats it.> > Beyond this, one has to look for Nakshatra phala of various other> planets too, at time of birth for the total assessment of the various> areas of life, as what to expect when in ones Life, during influence of> a certain planet during its stay as a Dasha or as antardasha lord. For> predictive purposes, just the janma nakshatra phala would not suffice.> > As regards to the personality traits, help may also be taken from the> Lagna nakshatra in whichever degrees it falls, which will overlap the> janma nakshatra results. Why so ? Because for all the 24 hours of the> day till the Moon stays in a particular nakshatra, lakhs of children> would be born all over the world, and all cannot possibly possess the> same traits. So we have now to narrow down for predictive purposes to> the Lagna nakshatra.Then a smart astrologer has to use his knowledge and> study of the Janma nakshatra and the Lagna nakshatra , along with the> Lagna which appears, and the planets placed in the lagna, and after> making a good mix, arrive at a conclusive deduction of what may come to> pass, through his intuition powers supplemented by his study.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.

March 29, 2009

Dear Sreenadhji,

I would like to advise you to collect at least 10 data of Ashvini Janama

nakshatra born people and apply this result than see, you are getting or

not,that will be helpful.Also compare your theory with this than we will come on

conclusion,which is right.

You have given the logic 'not getting the result'by janama nakshatra Phala and

advise, 'not depend on' the same.If you wants the same logic than collect the

data and apply the same.

" Hath kangan ko aarshi kya Pade-likhe ko Farshi kya "

Thanks,

M.S.bohra

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

> Thanks for the good start. I specially liked the following sections

> of your post -

> // Ashvini Nakshatra Started from 0 degree to 13:20 degree,Nakshatra

> Lord is

> Ketu,Rashi Lord is Arise.

> Ashvini's main symbol is a " horse's head " . This Symbol, as we can see,

> is in

> keeping with its name.The symbol of power, courage, movement and

> vitality.

> One will realize that a horse's head conveys a certain amount of

> sensitivity and

> alertness. Since Ashvini lies in the beginning of the sign Aries, which

> is seen

> as representing the head of the kala purusha (the eternal being), it

> makes sense

> that Ashvini be related to a head of some kind. The head of course

> relates to

> the brain, the Controlling organ of all body functions. Thus Ashvini

> automatically relates to mental impulses and leadership.

> 1.Body part : Head And Mind some also consider Nee which needs for

> movements.

>

> 2.Rog(Disease) : Head injuri,blood accumulation in Mind,Fever of

> Mind,Paralysis,Loss of memory,Insomnia,Malaria,Gastritis,Headache,Brain

> Hemorrhage.//

> Well said - all based on the symbol attributed to Aswini Nakshatra

> and the Nakshatra lord Ketu. In the next section of your speaks

> elaboratly about the " Janma Nakshtra Phala " , WITHOUT referring or

> mentioning the LOGIC BEHIND, or the logic used. These are kind of

> results people collect from various texts on Janma Nakshatra Phala -

> some results coming down through generations, some results just the

> integration of Sign results (results connected with Aries Lagna) just

> getting ascribed to Aswini as well etc etc. So the major question

> regarding the below section would be - HOW each of those results are

> DERIVED?

>

> //3.Specialities : Since the Ashvini Kumaras are known for their charm,

> elegance,

> style and extravagance - these qualities are reflected in the mental and

> physical makeup of Ashvini natives.Their appearance is usually youthful

> and

> eager. They seem to age less quickly than other nakshatra types. Ashvini

> natives

> are usually brimming with life, have lively intelligence, a quick

> comprehension

> ability and a happy go lucky disposition.Ashvini natives usually have a

> strong

> spirit of adventure. It is a fearless nakshatra which derives

> satisfaction from

> heroie pursuits.

>

> The Ashvini peoples are Beautiful,sharp,wise,popular,fortunate,good

> adviser,Aggressive,short temper,Always in hurry,expert in his

> work,honest,Astro-lover,talkative,love to travel,Always worried for

> properties,Bad relation with brother and respectable person.

>

> Business (Karma) :

> Defenceforce,Polish,Judiciary,Jail,Railway,Machinery,Related

> to Martel,Education,Writer,Surgeon,Horse rider or related to

> horse,Industrialist,Sexologist,Doctor who treat Fertility etc.

> If Ashvini Moon born person feedback with data it will help us to

> understand

> well that this is how much useful.//

> The understanding of this difference and the knowledge of " Logic

> behind " is required, because only that can help us move forward

> systematically in this study.