RE: Suryasiddhanta - PragJyotishpu ra - Mayasura

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Dear Sreenadh-ji,

 

Yes, I am aware of these writing. I have read these topics before.

But the quality of writing never attarcted me. 'Seems not enough

effort has been put.

 

Yes, the local populace believe that Narakasura, King Vaana existed

in Assam only. (Although King Vaana is also claimed by Ukhimath

area of Northern India). Similarly, Bhismak King and Rukmini episode

is claimed to be in Sadiya area of Assam. A tribal group (Lalung group)

claims to be Kshatriya group who fled to this state after attacked by

Parshurama. Incidentally, Parshurama Kunda (where Parshurama took

bath to get rid of grave sins) exists in Assam. Local Bishnupriya

Manipuri language has a very strong connection to Shourseni (Mathura)

dialect.

 

I rather have more faith on the Bodo myths to look on the other side of

the story...I mean to look at what MBH just alluded..but did not give details.

 

About claims and counter-claims of different groups on same incident,

I strongly feel that same is due to migration of people. They take their

myths alongwith ..and re-establish the same in their own areas.

 

I always feel that one should look in to both sides of coin to understand

it. Otherwise, it remains a one sided description only.

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh [sreesog]Friday, March 27, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: Suryasiddhanta - PragJyotishpura - Mayasura

 

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji and Chakraborty ji, Here is an interesting and light hearted conversation from: http://assamnet.org/posts/index.php?t=msg & goto=4466 & rid=0 & S=494e8c4c91e590e01d2bfaccebfe7187 Hope you will enjoy it. Love and regards,Sreenadh===========================

 

 

 

 

DR BIKASH KUMAR DASMessages: 466Registered: September 2007 Location: Bangalore

 

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Friends,Mahabharat is the biggest epic.The truth lies as true only.Its about of 4000-5000 BC old. Kalika Puran, Vishnu puran,Madbhagawat all relfected then Kamrup or Pragjyotishpur as holy place.All the Gods was very much existing amidst KIRATs and ASUR's ruling then Kamrupa.Present Indian politics after 1826 barred all.With my hard study I found why we cant claim Gujarat as part of Kamrup or Pragjyotishpur, if Gujarat says they are only hindu state?Lord Vishnu's pig carnation son Narakasur was adopted by King Janak.Narakasur wasthen king od Kamrupa to make Pragjyotishpur as capital.he is supposed to be the first Eingineer of Assam or India to built present Guwahati,to bring brahmins to Kamakhya temple,being Asur- a great folower of Vishnu. To marry Kamakhya he built a road, temple and water tank on the top of Nilachal hills within a night.Stil teh Goddess betrayed him by false alarm of a cock, whom he ultimately killed also.(Kukurakata).Narakasur prevented Vasishtha muni to go for worship to Kamakhya temple.His curse was reduced by Lord Shiva by 300 yrs.When Narakasur stopped praying and pleasing then Gods, and make god friendship with Sonitpur king Ban, the Srikrishna came for a battle al the way from Gujarat(Dwaraka).Finally Narakasur was kiled amidst the blessings of Shiva.meanwhile Srikrishna took 16,000 girls, 14000 elephants, horses alongwith him to Dwaraka.By then Bhagadatta- the eldest son of Narakasur was made king of Pragjyotishpur, who fought against the Pundabaswith his huge elephant and one akhouhini soldiers.Then also Bhismak raja's beautiful daughter Rukmini was kidnapped by Srikrishna from SAdiya(Kundilnagar).Srikrishna's grandson Aniruddha to came all the way to marry Ban's daughter Usha from Sonitpur.Again Srikrishna had to come al the way to release Aniruddha with a heavy battle and go away.This historic or epic live incidents only reveals we remained for ever invasion of others.Mainamati( Lachit Borphukans nephew) was taken as dowry by Aurangzeb to Delhi. Still Mainamati marg exist in Delhi.With al these things of statistical data, why we cant think that since 4000--5000BC and till today whats the population of Assamese in Gujarat? Please calculate 16,000 girls into ??? and what about rest?? What about Mainamati's next generation???? if al say they are hindu kingdoms or Srikrishna bhakta's- we people from Assam/Kamrupa very well claim Gujarat and Delhi.Origin of Gujarat is Assam only being.Next Delhi.I am unaware of Aniruddha's kids..... Anyone has more clue please?? Wonderful!!!Dr.Bikash Kumar DasFounder DirectorRhino Jungle AdventuresKarnataka, North East India.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Das:Thanks for your posting with your historical investigations on Assam's pre history. However your anaysis has a flaw, and you need to explore more to starighten the falw or solve the mystery. The mystery or the unsolved puzzle is this:According to the legend, Narakaxur was adopted son of king Janaka. That is well and good. That also mean that he was comtemporray to Rama and Sita (adopted daughter of king Janaka). Mind it, these all happened in Treta Jug (Ramayana).Now come the story, according to the same legend, that the same Narakasur was killed by Sri Krisna and that his son Bhogodotto, joined the Kurkhtro war on the side of the Kaurabos. Now all these happend in the Dwapor jug (Mahabharota)- about 3000 years after Treta jug (Ramayano).The question or the mystery is how it was possible for Narakaxur to live for 3000 years, from the age of Ramayana to the age of Mahabharoto?Do you have any answer to this puzzle in pre historic Assam?Rajen Barua

 

 

 

 

 

DR BIKASH KUMAR DASMessages: 466Registered: September 2007 Location: Bangalore

 

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Dangoriya,Namaskar.Thanks lot.Since I did studied both the epic in my childhood, later I found people of north India placing more importance on Ramayana.The Mahabharat part was fully ignored or kept aside.Mahabharat got the right politics that still exists in pesent India.The war and the bravery are live.Mahabharat incidents are having significant left over till day with Narakaxur,Ban ,Kundilnagar stories.The Ghatotkach of Dimapur- Kacharis-Koch etc.But Ramayana got nothing as evidences.If you travel all around India from the Himalays till Kanyakumari- the Mahabharat ruins are very well existing.I found them all and the bravery mostly attracted me.MIght be I am a Saikia of the koch king Chilarai's Senapati decendants- the warm blood pulls me more.To be frank.SAdly my father started writing DAS- and so become one SC like man now.I have no argument with Ramayana and Mahabharat, but I have more importance of Mahabharat than Ramayana.I have written with hard memory from my historic informations that still I do collect for myself to tell to the people- the way to say more about my North East India- How strong we was once.With sincere regards., Bikash=========================== , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,> Here is another intersting bit of information about PragJyotishpura> (Guwahati)> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> ===========================> [Assam] It is PragJyotishpur/Kamrup where rice was first supposed to> have had been domesticated to be exact.> Rice roots lie in east India> > http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060608/asp/nation/story_6324661.asp?headl\> ine=Rice~roots~lie~in~east~India> <http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060608/asp/nation/story_6324661.asp?head\> line=Rice%7Eroots%7Elie%7Ein%7Eeast%7EIndia>> > G.S. MUDUR> > New Delhi, June 7: Eastern India is part of a swath of territory south> of the Himalayas where prehistoric people first cultivated rice,> scientists reported on Monday.> > Their findings, published in the US journal Proceedings of the National> Academy of Sciences, contradict the widely held view that the rice> varieties cultivated today originated from wild rice first domesticated> in southern China.> > The two major rice varieties grown worldwide today - Oryza sativa> indica and Oryza sativa japonica - owe their origins to two> independent events of domestication thousands of years ago, American and> Taiwanese researchers said.> > In a bid to trace the ancestral roots of rice - a cereal eaten by> more than half of the world's population - plant geneticist Barbara> Schaal at Washington University and her colleagues analysed the genetic> make-up of wild and cultivated rice varieties.> > Their studies show that the indica variety was domesticated south of the> Himalayas within a region spanning eastern India, Myanmar and Thailand,> while the japonica variety was domesticated from wild rice in southern> China.> > "We now have strong evidence for multiple sites of domestication of> rice," Schaal told The Telegraph over the telephone.> > The new studies also suggest that an additional - third -> domestication event might have occurred in India, giving rise to a minor> variety of rice called "aus" - a drought-tolerant strain cultivated> in India and Bangladesh.> > As ancient people moved across the continents, they carried rice with> them. Rice is now cultivated in every continent except Antarctica.> > While there is consensus that rice had its roots in Asia, whether it was> domesticated in southern China alone or at multiple locations has been> under debate.> > The Washington University team is planning studies aimed at narrowing> the site of rice domestication within the two broad geographical regions> they have identified.> > ===========================>

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Dear Sirs,

Srimad Bhagavatapurana is not Itihasa, it is not even purana even though it is considered to be a purana. It is completely an adyathmic Grantha. Sri Sukha Rishi who initiated the Bhagavatha to Parishit is a Self Realised highly elevated sole. Such a great Rlishi who is above the wordly things from his very birth; completely immersed in the Atman,All Pervading Brahman. When he explained the Krishna Leela, Rasa Leela it is all allegorical and one needs lot of contemplation and and Devine Grace to understand the inner meaning of those things. Srimad Bhagavata is not a book to study and understand but to experiance the highest Devine consciousness.It is a great Advaita Grant and that is why great Advaitins like Appaya Deekshitar, Sri Madhusudana Saraswati tookit for their Nitya parayana. I feel that we can discuss the Geography, History, Sociology, Culture and all these

aspects in a proper perspective. But at the same time we can understand the religious, Spiritual rapport of any spiritual Grantlha only through the method of a proper traditional teacher, through a Guru. Then only we can understand its inner meanings. The Bhagawata Mahatmyam itself clearly brings out the purpose of the Book. It says there is lot of Bhakti in Kaliyuga, but only the Bhakti with Vairagaya, and Gnana i.e. the correct understanding will give the fruit of Bhakti. I hope, I am not exeeded my limit.

With regards,

Hari.Vennkataraman--- On Sat, 28/3/09, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2RE: Re: Suryasiddhanta - PragJyotishpu ra - Mayasura Date: Saturday, 28 March, 2009, 2:35 PM

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

 

Whenever Sri Krishna is mentioned, you will always find the No. 16.

 

The numbers may come like 16,000 too.

 

The reason is, Sri Krishna is linked to Moon (As Sri Rama is linked to Sun etc)

and similarly described as 16 Kalaa Avatar - just like the phases of Moon.

 

May be I am not using the correct terminology, but hopefully able to convey

the gist.

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

msbohra62 [msbohra62@ .co. in]Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:17 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Suryasiddhanta - PragJyotishpura - Mayasura

 

Dear sunil Battacharjyaji,It is also a interpretation about the "Ras" that Shri Krishana have did Ras with Gop-Balas they were the "Richa of Vedas".And in Lord Vishnu's previous birth in Manushy-Yoni as Lord Ram,when Ram meet Sitaji in a Upvan first time that time all her Shakhiya are fall in attraction of Shri Ram.So fulfill their desier they get birth as Gopia when Lord vishnu take birth as Krishana.May be like this these numbers indicating some thing as like Richa of Vedas.Thanks,M.S.Bohraancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Dear Bhagavathiji,> > The number 15,000 may be puranic exaggeration. Narakasura kept some women

captive and when Narakusara died those women were free. Probably in thosedays a woman kept by a king could not come back to the society after the death of the king and that is why the women might have requested Lord Krishna to take them along with him. The women may not be from Pragjyotishpur also. So Lord took them with him to make them settle elsewhere. Nothing more is written about their location and future. > > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, bhagavathi_harihara n <bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...> wrote:> > bhagavathi_harihara n <bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Suryasiddhanta - PragJyotishpura - Mayasura> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, March 27, 2009, 7:27 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am missing something in this story. Was there a dearth of girls in Dwaraka? So were these girls taken as a bride for dwaraka grooms or were these girls left without many male support because of the war, that possibly killed all the men? I have never heard of this story before. Hence, the curiosity.> > > > bhagavathi > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear all,> > > Lord Vishnu's pig carnation son Narakasur Then also Bhismak raja's> > > beautiful daughter Rukmini

was kidnapped by Srikrishna from> > > SAdiya(Kundilnagar) .Srikrishna' s grandson Aniruddha to came all the way> > > to marry Ban's daughter Usha from Sonitpur. Finally Narakasur was> > > kiled amidst the blessings of Shiva.meanwhile Srikrishna took 16,000> > > girls Please calculate 16,000 girls into ??? I am unaware of> > > Aniruddha's kids..... Anyone has more clue please?? Half knowledge is> > > bad knowledge. This is proved by the corrupted projection of little> > > knowledge , shown in above statements.> > > Such people will talk about Raas Leela of the Lord also, as Love making.> > > Shame on the degenaration of the culture of India in hands of such> > > people .> > > > > > Bhaskar.>This Message was sent from

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