Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?

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Respected Sir(s)"BHARTIYA JYOTISH" by Nemichandra shastri is a book on vedic astrology.Any ratings,views,reliability quotient etc about it.The book is very comprehensive(as per my feeble knowledge) and has the history of "astrology" from long long ago.I am just learning astrology and hardly know about houses or vargas etc so i wanted an opinion here.Further sir ,i see so many K.P.followers(learned astrologers) not only in this forum/group but at many places and all of them unanimously say "our guru shree k.s.k had said this and that" my simple question is that -astrology is a science which orginated thousands of years ago-(i dont know -i read it here or in some group only)-were all astrologers fool /incompetent before shree K.SK.?Isnt vedic astrology still provides

answers without going into sub lord sub-sub and sub-sub-sub and so on.I recently met an astrologer in a remote village-we went there to match horoscope of our friend-just out of curiosity i made my horoscope -which according to jagannath hora software-lagna chandra and bhaav are all same-and that person without seeing any thing else told me things which i wasnt expecting.like my accidents ,seperation,finance, my immoral life ,very emotional nature etc.He told me that my horoscope is very weak and not very usual .Doesnt comes often. he had predicted 3 things to a friend which came verbally true by date.this was the second friend.and now i am the third -i will have to see whether it comes true or not because till date i have met/consulted around 25-30 renowned astrologers and none has been able to tell me what that old person sitting in a village with no electricity told me.And i have met kp and non kp both type of astrologers.infact

not a sigle saying of any astrolger has come true till date about my horoscope.Is kp really better than our old traditional astrology?and ratings or if anyone has read that book -what wrong is mentioned there?I mean no offense to any one .this is a discussion and leraning forum and i want opinions that all.TAKE LIGHT!!!!!! warm regards to allsiddhartha saxena This mail is sent by siddhartha.adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Thursday, 19 March, 2009 1:07:50 PMRe: Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?

 

Dear Dr.Luther,ThanksAdithOn Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Yes, Dear Adithji,

Astrology definitely needs acute attentiveness and sincerety as well as concentration. With out these it is very difficult to arrive at predictions.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath..g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups..com

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:28:11 PMRe: Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?

 

 

Dear Dr.Luther ji,As you rightly said, as per the destiny, both the charts will reveal the same ! But we have to study that with more attention and care !RegardsAdith

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

If a child's chart indicates that he would goabroad, his father's chart shall indicate expenditure for his child if he has to bear it. If the son/daughter goes abroad of own earnings, father's chart will not show expenditure but may show enrichment of bank position since his children become independent and father' s expences reduces.

The destiny shall be written in every one's chart accordingly.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSunday, March 15, 2009 9:26:17 PM

Re: Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?

 

 

Dear Dr.Luther ji.Morning!thanks for your points. But I have the feeling that the charts of the children will definitely have some impact on the parents. We can not just neglect the Traditional which does have some valuable points also. May be the impact depends on the strength or weakness of the parent. I feel when the physical presence of a child does affect our interest for instance , when we like to watch a channel in the TV, the child over rides us and changes the channel. So we are disturbed.

For instance in a child chart if it is shown that he will go abroad for higher education, it definitely shows the expenses to the father.As you said, one's chart shows only the indication, then both the charts should indicate the same. or if does not indicate in the native, the impact may be less?!

In such case, what is the use of Matching the charts? where Astrologers look into the the longevity of husband

through her chart...and vice versa.. ?RegardsAdith

 

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

Good Morning.

In relation to 1st paragraph in your message, I am not able to catch your point exactly. But what I understand is that a child's chart shall not influance the events of the father or mother; further a wife's chart does not do so as well. The charts will not have any impact on others' destiny.. The statement,'the baby brings luck or whealth to the family' often said, is not true.. The fact is the charts will only indicate the events of other family members.

On the second paragraph, I would say that if the wife's chart shows danger to her husband, it has to be confirmed form the chart of the husband, if available.If the husband's chart does not indcate so, he will not meet with any danger. Here I would like to point out that while studying the chart of the wife, we consider the VII house for her husband. But VII house does not point to her husband only, it indicates many others as you are aware. So the danger or trouble can be to some body else.. It may be a major one or minor and not very much marked.

Regards..

Dr.. Rath

 

 

 

 

gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:29:11 AM Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?

 

 

 

Dear Members,I herewith request you to give your comments on this.I hope Our Guruji has said that no such influence . But we have seen many Astrologers do say for ex.,that a certain event is due to the impact of the chart of his new born baby, as per traditional method.

Also, while we predict the danger to her husband through her chart during a particular period,will the husband chart reveal the same danger to him ? or not needed?Can you give your valuable comments on this subject?

RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Siddartha,

At one side you say that you have feeble knowledge, and at the other side you wish to rate the KP and Non Kp astroplogers, and also wish to rate the great author Nemichand.

What nonsense is this ?

We must never enter into any controversial topics/discussions/subjects unless we are fully knowledgable and equipped about the same. It is always easier to remain a schoolboy than to try becoming a Phd.

I am a KP follower and a KP Practioner. Tell me where I have said and how many times I have said " Our Guru Shri Ksk......................... ".

Were all black and white movie makers incompetent in the old times ? Since we have colour movies now ? Were those who created heavy Cell phones idiots , when we today have very light cell phones ?

Do not try to create fights or arguments here between astrologers faithful to various streams.

What you know, you talk about that only. What you want, talk about that only. And dont create any unnecessary controversies here.

Lear and discuss but no trying to act smart .

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, siddhartha saxaena <numerology_works wrote:>> Respected Sir(s)> > "BHARTIYA JYOTISH" by Nemichandra shastri is a book on vedic astrology.Any ratings,views,reliability quotient etc about it.> > The book is very comprehensive(as per my feeble knowledge) and has the history of "astrology" from long long ago.I am just learning astrology and hardly know about houses or vargas etc so i wanted an opinion here.> > Further sir ,i see so many K.P.followers(learned astrologers) not only in this forum/group but at many places and all of them unanimously say "our guru shree k.s.k had said this and that"> my simple question is that -astrology is a science which orginated thousands of years ago-(i dont know -i read it here or in some group only)-were all astrologers fool /incompetent before shree K.SK.?> Isnt vedic astrology still provides answers without going into sub lord sub-sub and sub-sub-sub and so on.> I recently met an astrologer in a remote village-we went there to match horoscope of our friend-just out of curiosity i made my horoscope -which according to jagannath hora software-lagna chandra and bhaav are all same-and that person without seeing any thing else told me things which i wasnt expecting.like my accidents ,seperation,finance, my immoral life ,very emotional nature etc.He told me that my horoscope is very weak and not very usual .Doesnt comes often.> he had predicted 3 things to a friend which came verbally true by date.this was the second friend.and now i am the third -i will have to see whether it comes true or not because till date i have met/consulted around 25-30 renowned astrologers and none has been able to tell me what that old person sitting in a village with no electricity told me.And i have met kp and non kp both type of astrologers.infact not a sigle saying of any astrolger has come true till date about my horoscope.> Is kp really better than our old traditional astrology?and ratings or if anyone has read that book -what wrong is mentioned there?> I mean no offense to any one .this is a discussion and leraning forum and i want opinions that all.TAKE LIGHT!!!!!! > > warm regards to all> siddhartha saxena> > > > > This mail is sent by siddhartha.> > > > > ________________________________> adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath > Thursday, 19 March, 2009 1:07:50 PM> Re: Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?> > > Dear Dr.Luther,> Thanks> Adith> > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:> > Yes, Dear Adithji,> Astrology definitely needs acute attentiveness and sincerety as well as concentration. With out these it is very difficult to arrive at predictions.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ________________________________> adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:28:11 PM> > Re: Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?> > > Dear Dr.Luther ji,> > As you rightly said, as per the destiny, both the charts will reveal the same ! But we have to study that with more attention and care !> > Regards> Adith> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:> > Dear Adithji,> If a child's chart indicates that he would goabroad, his father's chart shall indicate expenditure for his child if he has to bear it. If the son/daughter goes abroad of own earnings, father's chart will not show expenditure but may show enrichment of bank position since his children become independent and father' s expences reduces.> The destiny shall be written in every one's chart accordingly.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ________________________________> adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:26:17 PM> Re: Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?> > > > Dear Dr.Luther ji.> Morning!> > thanks for your points. But I have the feeling that the charts of the children will definitely have some impact on the parents. We can not just neglect the Traditional which does have some valuable points also. May be the impact depends on the strength or weakness of the parent. I feel when the physical presence of a child does affect our interest for instance , when we like to watch a channel in the TV, the child over rides us and changes the channel. So we are disturbed.> > For instance in a child chart if it is shown that he will go abroad for higher education, it definitely shows the expenses to the father.> > As you said, one's chart shows only the indication, then both the charts should indicate the same. or if does not indicate in the native, the impact may be less?!> > In such case, what is the use of Matching the charts? where Astrologers look into the the longevity of husband through her chart...and vice versa.. ?> > Regards> Adith> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:> > Dear Adithji,> Good Morning.> In relation to 1st paragraph in your message, I am not able to catch your point exactly. But what I understand is that a child's chart shall not influance the events of the father or mother; further a wife's chart does not do so as well. The charts will not have any impact on others' destiny.. The statement,'the baby brings luck or whealth to the family' often said, is not true.. The fact is the charts will only indicate the events of other family members.> On the second paragraph, I would say that if the wife's chart shows danger to her husband, it has to be confirmed form the chart of the husband, if available.If the husband's chart does not indcate so, he will not meet with any danger. Here I would like to point out that while studying the chart of the wife, we consider the VII house for her husband. But VII house does not point to her husband only, it indicates many others as you are aware. So the danger or trouble can be to some body else.. It may be a major one or minor and not very much marked.> Regards..> Dr. Rath> > > > ________________________________> > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:29:11 AM > > Does the chart of a Child really have some influence on the Parents?> > > > Dear Members,> > I herewith request you to give your comments on this.> > I hope Our Guruji has said that no such influence . But we have seen many Astrologers do say for ex.,that a certain event is due to the impact of the chart of his new born baby, as per traditional method.> > Also, while we predict the danger to her husband through her chart during a particular period,will the husband chart reveal the same danger to him ? or not needed?> > Can you give your valuable comments on this subject?> > Regards> Adith> > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/>

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Dear Siddhartha Saxena ji,// " BHARTIYA JYOTISH " by Nemichandra shastri is a book on vedic astrology.Any ratings, views, reliability quotient etc about it.//

This is one of the very good books on astrology and very comprehensive too. It deals with all aspects of astrology including the mathematical and calculations part with varshphals, muhurta etc. The historical account is superb. And it is most reliable too as the author has taken referred to almost all available ancient texts and presented a crux of everything in a very lucid style.

//if anyone has read that book - what wrong is mentioned there?//I have not come across anything wrong in the book.//Is KP really better than our old traditional astrology?//

This should be answered by a KP practitioner. We may ask Bhaskar ji to comment on this.I think traditional astrology is a very sound system with tools available for all sorts of predictions and analyses. KP has its origins in traditional astrology only. KP has devised a more systematic approach and done away with some cumbersome parameters like yogas, oocha neecha planet, avasthas, etc. But overall it is mounted on traditional only with an amalgamation of Placidus house system while we may use the Bhava Chalit. Without traditional system as base, KP is not possible. So it may not be fair to compare the two. KP is only further fine tuning of traditional through sub lords while we do it through divisional charts. There are several other systems also prevalent today, but all are based on traditional only, with further modifications in various ways.

I feel, whatever system any astrologer may practice, unless he is sound in traditional understanding of planets and signs, he cannot produce good results with .Hope this helps. I have put forth my views only. Others, especially KP walas may not to this.

RegardsNeelam

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Dear Neelamji,

 

Very well said.

 

One cannot compare the greats of yesteryears like Sharmila Tagore,

Raakhi, Hema Malini etc. It would be unfair. All are good. And we must

not have so much spare time and idle mind to think who is good and who

is not.

 

Same way all approaches in astrology are more or less good.

 

Parashari or Traditional, must be accepted as the general base for any

and whichever approaches we may be into individually. It remains the

Milk from which we can churn out the cream and call it KP with some

additions, or else someone can take out the ashtakvarga and call it an

ashtakvarga system by his name after some additions. This does not

matter, the Guru is Traditional Astrology and rest are all shishyas.

Neither is the milk to be done away with, and neither is the cream.

 

I use Traditional, KP, Lalkitab as well as Naadi in my reading of a

chart, and God wiling would be very soon using Progression techniques

too, in same. But the whole stotra or source , or the Gangotri, is the

Traditional Parashari, be it a Indian system, Western system, or

variations of indian or western systems.

 

Hope this sums it all, for those having other ideas.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Siddhartha Saxena ji,

>

> // " BHARTIYA JYOTISH " by Nemichandra shastri is a book on vedic

astrology.Any

> ratings, views, reliability quotient etc about it.//

> This is one of the very good books on astrology and very comprehensive

too.

> It deals with all aspects of astrology including the mathematical and

> calculations part with varshphals, muhurta etc. The historical account

is

> superb. And it is most reliable too as the author has taken referred

to

> almost all available ancient texts and presented a crux of everything

in a

> very lucid style.

>

> //if anyone has read that book - what wrong is mentioned there?//

> I have not come across anything wrong in the book.

>

> //Is KP really better than our old traditional astrology?//

> This should be answered by a KP practitioner. We may ask Bhaskar ji to

> comment on this.

>

> I think traditional astrology is a very sound system with tools

available

> for all sorts of predictions and analyses. KP has its origins in

traditional

> astrology only. KP has devised a more systematic approach and done

away with

> some cumbersome parameters like yogas, oocha neecha planet, avasthas,

etc.

> But overall it is mounted on traditional only with an amalgamation of

> Placidus house system while we may use the Bhava Chalit. Without

traditional

> system as base, KP is not possible. So it may not be fair to compare

the

> two. KP is only further fine tuning of traditional through sub lords

while

> we do it through divisional charts. There are several other systems

also

> prevalent today, but all are based on traditional only, with further

> modifications in various ways.

>

> I feel, whatever system any astrologer may practice, unless he is

sound in

> traditional understanding of planets and signs, he cannot produce good

> results with any.

>

> Hope this helps. I have put forth my views only. Others, especially KP

walas

> may not to this.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>