A Calendar that Unifies

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Dear Shri Robert E. Wilkinsonji,Namaste,Thank you for the article on "A Calendar that unifies". The author had referred to Bhashma. Bhishma died after the Uttaraayana Sankraanti. I have a query to be sent to the writer and hope he will reply to it. It is as follows:The ancient Law-book Manu Smriti says that wars are to be fought in Margashirsha, Phalguna or Chaitra only and we know that the Mahabharata war was fought in Margashirsha. It started immediately after the Kartiki purnima ie. it started on the first day of Margashirsha (Purnimaanta month). Bhishma died in the second week of Magha immediately after the Uttarayana set in and that was towards the fag end of the Dwapara yuga ie. 36 years (and a few months) before the Kali yuga started in 3102 BCE. Mahabharata tells us that at that time tribhaagashesha

(ie.tribhaaganaam sheshabhaga) of paksha was still remaining to become

Shuklapaksha. He left for the Vasuloka on Uttarayana on a tithi that

was ruled by the Vasus.What according to this scholar should then be the month and date of the Winter solstice for the above given date, if we extend the present tropical calendar. With thanks and regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwA Calendar that Unifieswaves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, , , sunil_bhattacharjya, vedic_research_institute Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:10 AM

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Dear Shri Robert E. Wilkinsonji,Namaste,Thank you for the article on "A Calendar that unifies". The author had referred to Bhashma. Bhishma died after the Uttaraayana Sankraanti. I have a query to be sent to the writer and hope he will reply to it. It is as follows:The ancient Law-book Manu Smriti says that wars are to be fought in Margashirsha, Phalguna or Chaitra only and we know that the Mahabharata war was fought in

Margashirsha. It started immediately after the Kartiki purnima ie. it started on the first day of Margashirsha (Purnimaanta month). Bhishma died in the second week of Magha immediately after the Uttarayana set in and that was towards the fag end of the Dwapara yuga ie. 36 years (and a few months) before the Kali yuga started in 3102 BCE. Mahabharata tells us that at that time tribhaagashesha

(ie.tribhaaganaam sheshabhaga) of paksha was still remaining to become

Shuklapaksha. He left for the Vasuloka on Uttarayana on a tithi that

was ruled by the Vasus.What according to this scholar should then be the month and date of the Winter solstice for the above given date, if we extend the present tropical calendar. With thanks and regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwA Calendar that Unifieswaves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, , , sunil_bhattacharjya, vedic_research_institute Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:10 AM

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Namaste Sunil-ji,

In reply to your query Thea has sent the following:

 

 

I have no comment except to say that when all this was being 'figured out' it was, in my view, well into a dark age. I believe the real key to these cosmic harmonies was lost when the last Rishi left this plane. You may pass this on to the questioner. If he sincerely wants to understand these profound matters, he must realise that the keys are not to be found in books. First comes the sadhana, then the books can be written and the Knowledge passed on. It cannot be the other way around.

Today we find that scholars engage in endless speculation about when, what, where. None of this has value without the light of acquired Knowledge in the practice of Yoga. BUT, mind you when I write of Yoga in these matters, I mean specifically the Yoga described in the Rig Veda. Is there anyone the scholar can cite who has done this, non-speculatively? Thea

 

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Sunil Bhattacharjya

waves-vedic

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Monday, March 09, 2009 2:06 AM

Re: A Calendar that Unifies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Robert E. Wilkinsonji,Namaste,Thank you for the article on "A Calendar that unifies". The author had referred to Bhashma. Bhishma died after the Uttaraayana Sankraanti. I have a query to be sent to the writer and hope he will reply to it. It is as follows:The ancient Law-book Manu Smriti says that wars are to be fought in Margashirsha, Phalguna or Chaitra only and we know that the Mahabharata war was fought in Margashirsha. It started immediately after the Kartiki purnima ie. it started on the first day of Margashirsha (Purnimaanta month). Bhishma died in the second week of Magha immediately after the Uttarayana set in and that was towards the fag end of the Dwapara yuga ie. 36 years (and a few months) before the Kali yuga started in 3102 BCE. Mahabharata tells us that at that time tribhaagashesha (ie.tribhaaganaam sheshabhaga) of paksha was still remaining to become Shuklapaksha. He left for the Vasuloka on Uttarayana on a tithi that was ruled by the Vasus.What according to this scholar should then be the month and date of the Winter solstice for the above given date, if we extend the present tropical calendar. With thanks and regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwA Calendar that Unifieswaves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, , , sunil_bhattacharjya, vedic_research_institute Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:10 AM

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Namaste Hari-ji,

 

In resonse to your query, Thea has sent the following reply:

 

 

'...Our calendar was never purely solar. it was always soli-lunar...'

No one disputes this. I believe I have dealt with this issue in my piece.

This demonstrates exactly the problem. I believe he is still mixing up 'circles'. The circle IS ONE. And there is no question of 'shifting' in any direction. If he talks about Vedic, then he must accept the Cardinal Poles as permanent. Then as now.

That is the whole problem. They have been convinced that in times gone by the 'stars' were in a different position and the zodiac should be shifted to revert back to that position. Clearly this indicates a references to the Constellations.

This is the whole problem. Unless that mindset changes, no clarity will come. Remember that the reader is remarking on postulations that arose in the Dark Age. Thea

 

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Hari Malla

Robert E. Wilkinson

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Monday, March 09, 2009 10:54 AM

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----- Forwarded Message ----Hari Malla <harimallaRobert E. Wilkinson <robtwMonday, March 9, 2009 5:14:45 AMRe: A Calendar that Unifies

 

I would like to thank you very much for all the efforts your group has put in celebrating the festivals by the sayan system in 30 temples in Tamil nadu.It certainly is a very praiseworthy achievement.

I would like you to consider my method for the purpose of the calender that unifies.The method that i have proposed seems to be the most vedic.Our calender was never purely solar. it was always soli-lunar.Thus my proposal is lunar sayanism, not solar sayanism as many people tend to think.In this method we have to shift the new nirayan makar sankranti by 30 degrees by the sayan method, meaning the name Makar sankranti, has to be shifted to Dhanu sankranti.the reason for this is the present full moon depicting uttarayan is mrigshira purnima and not the poush purnima as it used to be earlier. we still celebrate magh snan, representing the lunar uttarayan on poush full moon, although the present uttarayan is in the zone of mrigashira full moon.

If more clarification is needed please write.My posting in the Hindu calender forum of Mr AK Kaul would be helpful. It is posted under the name of coordinated system of calender reform.

thank you.

sincerely yours,

HariMalla

 

 

 

Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwwaves-vedic Cc: vedicscience; atlantavedictemple; deenbc; jyotirved; harimalla; ; ; sunil_bhattacharjya; vedic_research_institute Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:55:03 PMA Calendar that Unifies Questions and Answers on Reforming the Hindu Calendar

 

 

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Dear Robertsonji,Namaste,I have another query. It is as follows:A lot of discussions are going on the Makar Sankranti for quite sometime and there is no unanimity in sight and this suggests that nobody has ever cared to see the genesis of the Makar Sankranti. Winter Solstice occurred in the Makar Rashi for 22 centuries. First it occurred in the 30 degree of the Makar Rashi in the 19th century BCE and it occurred in the 0 degree of the Makar Rashi in the 3rd century CE. Later on from the 3rd century onward it started occurring in the Dhanu Rashi. From the year the Winter Solstice occurred at the 0 degree of Makar rashi in the 3rd century BCE, the Ayanamsha corrections also started. Naturally that day began to be considered an eventful day and as if to commemorate that day the Makar Sankranti came to be observed on

the day the Sun entered the 0 degree of the Makar Rashi. We have also to remember that that Makar Rashi, which includes the Shravana Nakshatra, is also the Rashi of Bharatavarsha and that the Shrutis were revealed in this holy land. (Refer to the link of Shravana and Shruti as both have the common root). To my knowledge there is no available reference anywhere in the old texts to show that in any time in the past that the Makar Sankranti was continued to be observed on the very day of the start of the Uttarayana. This is not to deny the importance of the Uttarayana. The Uttarayana has always been important as it is believed to decide the direction of movement of the departed souls for the next six months or rather we should say that a person will die in the Uttarayana sixmonths or in the Dakshinayana six months depending on his or her Karma. To my knowledge there is no reference to the celebration of the Uttarayana festival in the

ancient past either. With the above background will anybody still feel the need to observe the Makar Sankranti on the Uttarayana day? If anybody still feels the need to observe the Makar sankranti on the Uttarayana day then can that person tell us, in brief, as to what are the reasons? No need to write a long essay on it.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw Re: A Calendar that Unifies"Hari Malla" <harimallaCc: deenbc, jyotirved, , Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:58 AM

 



Namaste Hari-ji,

 

In resonse to your query, Thea has sent the following reply:

 

 

'...Our calendar was never purely solar. it was always soli-lunar.. .'

No one disputes this. I believe I have dealt with this issue in my piece.

This demonstrates exactly the problem. I believe he is still mixing up 'circles'. The circle IS ONE. And there is no question of 'shifting' in any direction. If he talks about Vedic, then he must accept the Cardinal Poles as permanent. Then as now.

That is the whole problem. They have been convinced that in times gone by the 'stars' were in a different position and the zodiac should be shifted to revert back to that position. Clearly this indicates a references to the Constellations.

This is the whole problem. Unless that mindset changes, no clarity will come. Remember that the reader is remarking on postulations that arose in the Dark Age. Thea

 

-

Hari Malla

Robert E. Wilkinson

Cc: deenbc ; jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com ; ; ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, March 09, 2009 10:54 AM

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----- Forwarded Message ----Hari Malla <harimalla@rocketmai l.com>Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw (AT) sprynet (DOT) com>Monday, March 9, 2009 5:14:45 AMRe: A Calendar that Unifies

 

I would like to thank you very much for all the efforts your group has put in celebrating the festivals by the sayan system in 30 temples in Tamil nadu.It certainly is a very praiseworthy achievement.

I would like you to consider my method for the purpose of the calender that unifies.The method that i have proposed seems to be the most vedic.Our calender was never purely solar. it was always soli-lunar.Thus my proposal is lunar sayanism, not solar sayanism as many people tend to think.In this method we have to shift the new nirayan makar sankranti by 30 degrees by the sayan method, meaning the name Makar sankranti, has to be shifted to Dhanu sankranti.the reason for this is the present full moon depicting uttarayan is mrigshira purnima and not the poush purnima as it used to be earlier. we still celebrate magh snan, representing the lunar uttarayan on poush full moon, although the present uttarayan is in the zone of mrigashira full moon.

If more clarification is needed please write.My posting in the Hindu calender forum of Mr AK Kaul would be helpful. It is posted under the name of coordinated system of calender reform.

thank you.

sincerely yours,

HariMalla

 

 

 

Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw (AT) sprynet (DOT) com>waves-vedicCc: vedicscience@ rediffmail. com; atlantavedictemple@ gmail.com; deenbc ; jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com; harimalla@rocketmai l.com; ; ancient_indian_ astrology; sunil_bhattacharjya @; vedic_research_ instituteSunday, March 8, 2009 4:55:03 PMA Calendar that Unifies Questions and Answers on Reforming the Hindu Calendar

 

 

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Dear Robertsonji,Namaste,This an evasive reply.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwRe: A Calendar that Unifiessunil_bhattacharjya, waves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, , , vedic_research_institute Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:56 AM

 

Namaste Sunil-ji,

In reply to your query Thea has sent the following:

 

 

I have no comment except to say that when all this was being 'figured out' it was, in my view, well into a dark age. I believe the real key to these cosmic harmonies was lost when the last Rishi left this plane. You may pass this on to the questioner. If he sincerely wants to understand these profound matters, he must realise that the keys are not to be found in books. First comes the sadhana, then the books can be written and the Knowledge passed on. It cannot be the other way around.

Today we find that scholars engage in endless speculation about when, what, where. None of this has value without the light of acquired Knowledge in the practice of Yoga. BUT, mind you when I write of Yoga in these matters, I mean specifically the Yoga described in the Rig Veda. Is there anyone the scholar can cite who has done this, non-speculatively? Thea

 

-

Sunil Bhattacharjya

waves-vedic

Cc: vedicscience ; atlantavedictemple ; deenbc ; jyotirved ; harimalla ; ; ; vedic_research_institute ; robtw

Monday, March 09, 2009 2:06 AM

Re: A Calendar that Unifies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Robert E. Wilkinsonji,Namaste,Thank you for the article on "A Calendar that unifies". The author had referred to Bhashma. Bhishma died after the Uttaraayana Sankraanti. I have a query to be sent to the writer and hope he will reply to it. It is as follows:The ancient Law-book Manu Smriti says that wars are to be fought in Margashirsha, Phalguna or Chaitra only and we know that the Mahabharata war was fought in Margashirsha. It started immediately after the Kartiki purnima ie. it started on the first day of Margashirsha (Purnimaanta month). Bhishma died in the second week of Magha immediately after the Uttarayana set in and that was towards the fag end of the Dwapara yuga ie. 36 years (and a few months) before the Kali yuga started in 3102 BCE. Mahabharata tells us that at that time tribhaagashesha (ie.tribhaaganaam sheshabhaga) of paksha was still remaining to become Shuklapaksha. He left for the Vasuloka on Uttarayana on a tithi that was ruled by the Vasus.What according to this scholar should then be the month and date of the Winter solstice for the above given date, if we extend the present tropical calendar. With thanks and regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwA Calendar that Unifieswaves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, , , sunil_bhattacharjya, vedic_research_institute Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:10 AM

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Namaste Sunil-ji,

 

It is becoming obvious to me at least that you will not be satisfied with any reply that does not agree with your own opinion. You are not really interested in learning, only argument, which is the favorite pasttime of the philosoper. I am not interested nor do I have the time to indulge this kind of pointless speculation. If a student wishes to discuss Calculus, it is essential for him to obtain a strong fundamental understanding of basic mathematics. The same applies to you. The questions you are asking imply a limited understanding of certain fundamentals including the Precession of the Equinox and the basics of Vedic Cosmology. Go and do your homework. If you are seriously interested in having the answers to your many questions, you will find a complete list ot Thea's publications on our website http://www.aeongroup.com. After you have read her many books and articles I will be delighted to discuss the finer points of Veda with you.

 

RW

 

 

 

 

 

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Sunil Bhattacharjya

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Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:42 AM

Re: A Calendar that Unifies

 

 

 

 

Dear Robertsonji,Namaste,This an evasive reply.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwRe: A Calendar that Unifiessunil_bhattacharjya, waves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, , , vedic_research_institute Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 4:56 AM



Namaste Sunil-ji,

In reply to your query Thea has sent the following:

 

 

I have no comment except to say that when all this was being 'figured out' it was, in my view, well into a dark age. I believe the real key to these cosmic harmonies was lost when the last Rishi left this plane. You may pass this on to the questioner. If he sincerely wants to understand these profound matters, he must realise that the keys are not to be found in books. First comes the sadhana, then the books can be written and the Knowledge passed on. It cannot be the other way around.

Today we find that scholars engage in endless speculation about when, what, where. None of this has value without the light of acquired Knowledge in the practice of Yoga. BUT, mind you when I write of Yoga in these matters, I mean specifically the Yoga described in the Rig Veda. Is there anyone the scholar can cite who has done this, non-speculatively? Thea

 

-

Sunil Bhattacharjya

waves-vedic

Cc: vedicscience ; atlantavedictemple ; deenbc ; jyotirved ; harimalla ; ; ; vedic_research_institute ; robtw

Monday, March 09, 2009 2:06 AM

Re: A Calendar that Unifies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Robert E. Wilkinsonji,Namaste,Thank you for the article on "A Calendar that unifies". The author had referred to Bhashma. Bhishma died after the Uttaraayana Sankraanti. I have a query to be sent to the writer and hope he will reply to it. It is as follows:The ancient Law-book Manu Smriti says that wars are to be fought in Margashirsha, Phalguna or Chaitra only and we know that the Mahabharata war was fought in Margashirsha. It started immediately after the Kartiki purnima ie. it started on the first day of Margashirsha (Purnimaanta month). Bhishma died in the second week of Magha immediately after the Uttarayana set in and that was towards the fag end of the Dwapara yuga ie. 36 years (and a few months) before the Kali yuga started in 3102 BCE. Mahabharata tells us that at that time tribhaagashesha (ie.tribhaaganaam sheshabhaga) of paksha was still remaining to become Shuklapaksha. He left for the Vasuloka on Uttarayana on a tithi that was ruled by the Vasus.What according to this scholar should then be the month and date of the Winter solstice for the above given date, if we extend the present tropical calendar. With thanks and regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:

Robert E. Wilkinson <robtwA Calendar that Unifieswaves-vedic Cc: vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, jyotirved, harimalla, , , sunil_bhattacharjya, vedic_research_institute Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 4:10 AM

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Namaste Shri Wilkinsonji,I asked the author about certain things (please see my letter if you do not remember) and he evades it and tries to sermonise on something else. Let him answer to the points raised by me at first and if he cannot reply let him keep quiet. As a face-saving device he sidetracks the issue in hand and goes off tangentially. My question was on Jyotish and not on Yoga or Philosophy. Open any book of Jyotisha and you will not find there any of what he says. I have seen this type of writers many a times and they waste a lot of time of people. By coming to his rescue you are not doing good to anybody including you.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw wrote:Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw Re: A Calendar that Unifiessunil_bhattacharjya, waves-vedic , vedicscience, atlantavedictemple, deenbc, harimalla, , , vedic_research_institute Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:20 AM

 



Namaste Sunil-ji,

 

It is becoming obvious to me at least that you will not be satisfied with any reply that does not agree with your own opinion. You are not really interested in learning, only argument, which is the favorite pasttime of the philosoper. I am not interested nor do I have the time to indulge this kind of pointless speculation. If a student wishes to discuss Calculus, it is essential for him to obtain a strong fundamental understanding of basic mathematics. The same applies to you. The questions you are asking imply a limited understanding of certain fundamentals including the Precession of the Equinox and the basics of Vedic Cosmology. Go and do your homework. If you are seriously interested in having the answers to your many questions, you will find a complete list ot Thea's publications on our website http://www.aeongrou p.com. After you have read her many books and articles I will be delighted to discuss the finer points of Veda with you.

 

RW