Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Dear Learned members, What does the parivartan in trines indicate. Here i mean parivartan between LL and 9L or 5L and 9L or LL and 5th lord. Is is good or bad or both? any rules ? Is it a laxmi yoga ? Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi(2,6,10),vayu (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between satwic,Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean ? For eg in water element exchange between moon and mars. and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna? I request seniors to throw some light. Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji,I am putting across some views to initiate the discussion.//What does the parivartan in trines indicate.Here i mean parivartan between LL and 9L or 5L and 9L or LL and 5th lord. Is is good or bad or both? any rules?//Trinal lords are always auspicious and if a parivartan involves lagna, it also gives raj yoga as lagna is both a trine and a Kendra, e.g parivartan between venus and Saturn in Taurus is very auspicious. 1/5 and 1/9 exchange will give RY for material gains and not a 5/9 exchange. But each lord, except sun and moon is also the lord of another house.For trinal lords, the other house can either be:a Kendra (4,10), it can never be 7a trishadaya (6), it can never be 3,11neutral (2,12) ashtam (8)Whenever the parivartan lords have one lordship with kendra and one trikona, it becomes a RYK. e.g this happens in pisces, between jupiter (1,10) and moon (5), it becomes very auspicious and a RY. It will give very good results. In cases, when trinal lord associates with shashthesh, it gives bad results. Jupiter of cancer, Saturn of virgo and mercury of Capricorn are not so auspicious. E.g in cancer, jup is also the 6L which is the MT sign and an exchange between moon and Jupiter is not so good. Parashar has called it sadosha (blemished) sambandh. Where the other lordship is neutral i.e 2,12, the other house becomes auspicious/ inauspicious as per its association and would behave accordingly. Generally a jup in scorpio (2L/5L) will be auspicious, but a jupiter of cancer (6L/9L) is not so auspicious. Regarding ashtamesh, Parashar says that if ashtamesh is auspicious (being lord of lagna simultaneously), then its parivartan with another trinal lord should be good.//Is it a laxmi yoga ?// I think laxmi yoga is given by a strong 9L, when the ascendant is also strong. Trinal parivartan may a type of laxmi yoga.//Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi (2,6,10),vayu (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between satwic, Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean?// Trines primarily deal with our dharma and our lineage (self-son-father-religion). They indicate how we are predisposed to carry our dharma, but without an interaction with kendras or Vishnu sthanas, trines will not be effective in practice. A particular element in trine when amplified with parivartana can only strengthen it further. For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars,Both get debilitated in each other’s rashis!!//and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we taste the fruits of success in material world. We all know how empty kendras can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good. One needs both Lakshmi and Vishnu to lead a meaningful life.Let us hear what others have to say on this.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Dear friends, The Laxmi Yoga depends upon streongth of moon and strength of the navamsha chart. Weak other wise it gives ...lazy thinkers only. With regards and best wishes, Mrutyunjay Tripathy 09811971190 visit jaml for astrological discussion of married life , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > I am putting across some views to initiate the discussion. > > //What does the parivartan in trines indicate. > Here i mean parivartan between LL and 9L or 5L and 9L or LL and 5th lord. > Is is good or bad or both? any rules?// > > Trinal lords are always auspicious and if a parivartan involves lagna, it > also gives raj yoga as lagna is both a trine and a Kendra, e.g parivartan > between venus and Saturn in Taurus is very auspicious. 1/5 and 1/9 exchange > will give RY for material gains and not a 5/9 exchange. > > But each lord, except sun and moon is also the lord of another house. > For trinal lords, the other house can either be: > a Kendra (4,10), it can never be 7 > a trishadaya (6), it can never be 3,11 > neutral (2,12) > ashtam (8) > > Whenever the parivartan lords have one lordship with kendra and one trikona, > it becomes a RYK. e.g this happens in pisces, between jupiter (1,10) and > moon (5), it becomes very auspicious and a RY. It will give very good > results. > > In cases, when trinal lord associates with shashthesh, it gives bad results. > Jupiter of cancer, Saturn of virgo and mercury of Capricorn are not so > auspicious. E.g in cancer, jup is also the 6L which is the MT sign and an > exchange between moon and Jupiter is not so good. Parashar has called it > sadosha (blemished) sambandh. > > Where the other lordship is neutral i.e 2,12, the other house becomes > auspicious/ inauspicious as per its association and would behave > accordingly. Generally a jup in scorpio (2L/5L) will be auspicious, but a > jupiter of cancer (6L/9L) is not so auspicious. > > Regarding ashtamesh, Parashar says that if ashtamesh is auspicious (being > lord of lagna simultaneously), then its parivartan with another trinal lord > should be good. > > //Is it a laxmi yoga ?// > I think laxmi yoga is given by a strong 9L, when the ascendant is also > strong. Trinal parivartan may a type of laxmi yoga. > > //Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi (2,6,10),vayu > (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between > satwic, Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean?// > Trines primarily deal with our dharma and our lineage > (self-son-father-religion). They indicate how we are predisposed to carry > our dharma, but without an interaction with kendras or Vishnu sthanas, > trines will not be effective in practice. A particular element in trine when > amplified with parivartana can only strengthen it further. > For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars, > Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!! > > //and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat > (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// > I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the > kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas > interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we > taste the fruits of success in material world. We all know how empty kendras > can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good. > One needs both Lakshmi and Vishnu to lead a meaningful life. > > Let us hear what others have to say on this. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Dear Mrutyunjay ji,I guess strength of all yogas depends on the strength of moon, which is the condition laid down in classics. A repeated expression in navamsha corroborates it further. This particular yoga is no exception. However, why lazy thinkers? with a weak lakhshmi yoga? Can you please give reasons?RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Respected Neelamji, Thankyou for this very nice explanation. Only focussing on the trinal exchange just forgetting other factors fo r the while : Practically only one thing i have noted in the observation that in any child horoscope if when 1,5,9, are in exchange (especially 5,9), Fathers rises materially to the great extent, you may call that child very lucky for father. But in self-father-son, wherever there is exchange either persons becomes very much dependent on other due to one or other reasons. If there is exchange at 3,7,11 (kaama trines), marriage life is not smooth. If there is exchange at 4,8,12 (moksha trines) person has to leave his motherland. exchange at 2,6,10 , i don't have any clue !! This is my very limited observation, but is it true to any extent ? If yes, why these trinal exchange or even lordship placement at trinal position indicate losses. ------------------------------ Secondly you just spoke my mind about empty kendres : //We all know how empty kendras can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good.// This i want to discuss elaborately in the another thread. Please other learned members contribute to this subject of trinal relationship. Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > I am putting across some views to initiate the discussion. > > //What does the parivartan in trines indicate. > Here i mean parivartan between LL and 9L or 5L and 9L or LL and 5th lord. > Is is good or bad or both? any rules?// > > Trinal lords are always auspicious and if a parivartan involves lagna, it > also gives raj yoga as lagna is both a trine and a Kendra, e.g parivartan > between venus and Saturn in Taurus is very auspicious. 1/5 and 1/9 exchange > will give RY for material gains and not a 5/9 exchange. > > But each lord, except sun and moon is also the lord of another house. > For trinal lords, the other house can either be: > a Kendra (4,10), it can never be 7 > a trishadaya (6), it can never be 3,11 > neutral (2,12) > ashtam (8) > > Whenever the parivartan lords have one lordship with kendra and one trikona, > it becomes a RYK. e.g this happens in pisces, between jupiter (1,10) and > moon (5), it becomes very auspicious and a RY. It will give very good > results. > > In cases, when trinal lord associates with shashthesh, it gives bad results. > Jupiter of cancer, Saturn of virgo and mercury of Capricorn are not so > auspicious. E.g in cancer, jup is also the 6L which is the MT sign and an > exchange between moon and Jupiter is not so good. Parashar has called it > sadosha (blemished) sambandh. > > Where the other lordship is neutral i.e 2,12, the other house becomes > auspicious/ inauspicious as per its association and would behave > accordingly. Generally a jup in scorpio (2L/5L) will be auspicious, but a > jupiter of cancer (6L/9L) is not so auspicious. > > Regarding ashtamesh, Parashar says that if ashtamesh is auspicious (being > lord of lagna simultaneously), then its parivartan with another trinal lord > should be good. > > //Is it a laxmi yoga ?// > I think laxmi yoga is given by a strong 9L, when the ascendant is also > strong. Trinal parivartan may a type of laxmi yoga. > > //Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi (2,6,10),vayu > (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between > satwic, Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean?// > Trines primarily deal with our dharma and our lineage > (self-son-father-religion). They indicate how we are predisposed to carry > our dharma, but without an interaction with kendras or Vishnu sthanas, > trines will not be effective in practice. A particular element in trine when > amplified with parivartana can only strengthen it further. > For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars, > Both get debilitated in each other’s rashis!! > > //and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat > (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// > I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the > kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas > interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we > taste the fruits of success in material world. We all know how empty kendras > can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good. > One needs both Lakshmi and Vishnu to lead a meaningful life. > > Let us hear what others have to say on this. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Dear Vijay, There is something important that should be considered. The trinal exchanges need not be exchange between the same tattwa. It depends on the rising sign. If there is an exchange between mars and moon, in the natural zodiac, it is 4-8 but for the native it maybe something else. I know a native who has mars-moon (cancer-scorpio) exchange, but in his chart it is 7-11 exchange. I think what you are trying to look for is a trinal exchange and one between the same tattwa (Please correct my understanding). So, for mesha lagna, the exchange should be between mars and sun or sun and jupiter. Regards, bhagavathi , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected Neelamji, > > Thankyou for this very nice explanation. > > Only focussing on the trinal exchange just forgetting other factors fo r the while : > > Practically only one thing i have noted in the observation that in any child horoscope if when 1,5,9, are in exchange (especially 5,9), Fathers rises materially to the great extent, you may call that child very lucky for father. > > But in self-father-son, wherever there is exchange either persons becomes very much dependent on other due to one or other reasons. > > If there is exchange at 3,7,11 (kaama trines), marriage life is not smooth. > > If there is exchange at 4,8,12 (moksha trines) person has to leave his motherland. > > exchange at 2,6,10 , i don't have any clue !! > > This is my very limited observation, but is it true to any extent ? > If yes, why these trinal exchange or even lordship placement at trinal position indicate losses. > > ------------------------------ > > Secondly you just spoke my mind about empty kendres : > //We all know how empty kendras can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good.// > > This i want to discuss elaborately in the another thread. > > Please other learned members contribute to this subject of trinal relationship. > > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > I am putting across some views to initiate the discussion. > > > > //What does the parivartan in trines indicate. > > Here i mean parivartan between LL and 9L or 5L and 9L or LL and 5th lord. > > Is is good or bad or both? any rules?// > > > > Trinal lords are always auspicious and if a parivartan involves lagna, it > > also gives raj yoga as lagna is both a trine and a Kendra, e.g parivartan > > between venus and Saturn in Taurus is very auspicious. 1/5 and 1/9 exchange > > will give RY for material gains and not a 5/9 exchange. > > > > But each lord, except sun and moon is also the lord of another house. > > For trinal lords, the other house can either be: > > a Kendra (4,10), it can never be 7 > > a trishadaya (6), it can never be 3,11 > > neutral (2,12) > > ashtam (8) > > > > Whenever the parivartan lords have one lordship with kendra and one trikona, > > it becomes a RYK. e.g this happens in pisces, between jupiter (1,10) and > > moon (5), it becomes very auspicious and a RY. It will give very good > > results. > > > > In cases, when trinal lord associates with shashthesh, it gives bad results. > > Jupiter of cancer, Saturn of virgo and mercury of Capricorn are not so > > auspicious. E.g in cancer, jup is also the 6L which is the MT sign and an > > exchange between moon and Jupiter is not so good. Parashar has called it > > sadosha (blemished) sambandh. > > > > Where the other lordship is neutral i.e 2,12, the other house becomes > > auspicious/ inauspicious as per its association and would behave > > accordingly. Generally a jup in scorpio (2L/5L) will be auspicious, but a > > jupiter of cancer (6L/9L) is not so auspicious. > > > > Regarding ashtamesh, Parashar says that if ashtamesh is auspicious (being > > lord of lagna simultaneously), then its parivartan with another trinal lord > > should be good. > > > > //Is it a laxmi yoga ?// > > I think laxmi yoga is given by a strong 9L, when the ascendant is also > > strong. Trinal parivartan may a type of laxmi yoga. > > > > //Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi (2,6,10),vayu > > (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between > > satwic, Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean?// > > Trines primarily deal with our dharma and our lineage > > (self-son-father-religion). They indicate how we are predisposed to carry > > our dharma, but without an interaction with kendras or Vishnu sthanas, > > trines will not be effective in practice. A particular element in trine when > > amplified with parivartana can only strengthen it further. > > For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars, > > Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!! > > > > //and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat > > (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// > > I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the > > kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas > > interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we > > taste the fruits of success in material world. We all know how empty kendras > > can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good. > > One needs both Lakshmi and Vishnu to lead a meaningful life. > > > > Let us hear what others have to say on this. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Respected neelamji, //and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// **I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we taste the fruits of success in material world. ** This make lot of sense to me, " konas remain only purusha " Your explaination are just reminded many principles of laghu parashari. Neelamji when you speak, i feel the style of shri K n Rao. [] even same with Sreeram srinivasji who also adds lot of humor in his writings. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > I am putting across some views to initiate the discussion. > > //What does the parivartan in trines indicate. > Here i mean parivartan between LL and 9L or 5L and 9L or LL and 5th lord. > Is is good or bad or both? any rules?// > > Trinal lords are always auspicious and if a parivartan involves lagna, it > also gives raj yoga as lagna is both a trine and a Kendra, e.g parivartan > between venus and Saturn in Taurus is very auspicious. 1/5 and 1/9 exchange > will give RY for material gains and not a 5/9 exchange. > > But each lord, except sun and moon is also the lord of another house. > For trinal lords, the other house can either be: > a Kendra (4,10), it can never be 7 > a trishadaya (6), it can never be 3,11 > neutral (2,12) > ashtam (8) > > Whenever the parivartan lords have one lordship with kendra and one trikona, > it becomes a RYK. e.g this happens in pisces, between jupiter (1,10) and > moon (5), it becomes very auspicious and a RY. It will give very good > results. > > In cases, when trinal lord associates with shashthesh, it gives bad results. > Jupiter of cancer, Saturn of virgo and mercury of Capricorn are not so > auspicious. E.g in cancer, jup is also the 6L which is the MT sign and an > exchange between moon and Jupiter is not so good. Parashar has called it > sadosha (blemished) sambandh. > > Where the other lordship is neutral i.e 2,12, the other house becomes > auspicious/ inauspicious as per its association and would behave > accordingly. Generally a jup in scorpio (2L/5L) will be auspicious, but a > jupiter of cancer (6L/9L) is not so auspicious. > > Regarding ashtamesh, Parashar says that if ashtamesh is auspicious (being > lord of lagna simultaneously), then its parivartan with another trinal lord > should be good. > > //Is it a laxmi yoga ?// > I think laxmi yoga is given by a strong 9L, when the ascendant is also > strong. Trinal parivartan may a type of laxmi yoga. > > //Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi (2,6,10),vayu > (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between > satwic, Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean?// > Trines primarily deal with our dharma and our lineage > (self-son-father-religion). They indicate how we are predisposed to carry > our dharma, but without an interaction with kendras or Vishnu sthanas, > trines will not be effective in practice. A particular element in trine when > amplified with parivartana can only strengthen it further. > For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars, > Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!! > > //and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat > (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// > I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the > kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas > interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we > taste the fruits of success in material world. We all know how empty kendras > can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good. > One needs both Lakshmi and Vishnu to lead a meaningful life. > > Let us hear what others have to say on this. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Respected Neelamji, //Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi (2,6,10),vayu (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between satwic, Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean?// You wrote : ***Trines primarily deal with our dharma and our lineage (self-son-father-religion). They indicate how we are predisposed to carry our dharma, but without an interaction with kendras or Vishnu sthanas, trines will not be effective in practice. A particular element in trine when amplified with parivartana can only strengthen it further.*** This indicate the theory of Navamsha, that any planets in placed trines to each other at same degrees will be in same Navamsha, It means that they will follows same Dharma (aim) according to their individual nature. I hope i am not wrong. ***For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars, Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!!*** I want to know the effect of this delibilated exchange Thanking You, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > I am putting across some views to initiate the discussion. > > //What does the parivartan in trines indicate. > Here i mean parivartan between LL and 9L or 5L and 9L or LL and 5th lord. > Is is good or bad or both? any rules?// > > Trinal lords are always auspicious and if a parivartan involves lagna, it > also gives raj yoga as lagna is both a trine and a Kendra, e.g parivartan > between venus and Saturn in Taurus is very auspicious. 1/5 and 1/9 exchange > will give RY for material gains and not a 5/9 exchange. > > But each lord, except sun and moon is also the lord of another house. > For trinal lords, the other house can either be: > a Kendra (4,10), it can never be 7 > a trishadaya (6), it can never be 3,11 > neutral (2,12) > ashtam (8) > > Whenever the parivartan lords have one lordship with kendra and one trikona, > it becomes a RYK. e.g this happens in pisces, between jupiter (1,10) and > moon (5), it becomes very auspicious and a RY. It will give very good > results. > > In cases, when trinal lord associates with shashthesh, it gives bad results. > Jupiter of cancer, Saturn of virgo and mercury of Capricorn are not so > auspicious. E.g in cancer, jup is also the 6L which is the MT sign and an > exchange between moon and Jupiter is not so good. Parashar has called it > sadosha (blemished) sambandh. > > Where the other lordship is neutral i.e 2,12, the other house becomes > auspicious/ inauspicious as per its association and would behave > accordingly. Generally a jup in scorpio (2L/5L) will be auspicious, but a > jupiter of cancer (6L/9L) is not so auspicious. > > Regarding ashtamesh, Parashar says that if ashtamesh is auspicious (being > lord of lagna simultaneously), then its parivartan with another trinal lord > should be good. > > //Is it a laxmi yoga ?// > I think laxmi yoga is given by a strong 9L, when the ascendant is also > strong. Trinal parivartan may a type of laxmi yoga. > > //Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi (2,6,10),vayu > (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between > satwic, Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean?// > Trines primarily deal with our dharma and our lineage > (self-son-father-religion). They indicate how we are predisposed to carry > our dharma, but without an interaction with kendras or Vishnu sthanas, > trines will not be effective in practice. A particular element in trine when > amplified with parivartana can only strengthen it further. > For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars, > Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!! > > //and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat > (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// > I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the > kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas > interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we > taste the fruits of success in material world. We all know how empty kendras > can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good. > One needs both Lakshmi and Vishnu to lead a meaningful life. > > Let us hear what others have to say on this. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Dear Vijay ji,//Practically only one thing i have noted in the observation that in any child horoscope if when 1,5,9, are in exchange (especially 5,9), Fathers rises materially to the great extent, you may call that child very lucky for father.// Of course the significations of father-son relationship would come into focus with such a parivartan. Have you noticed that natural lord of father (9H) Jup is karak of son and natural lord of son (5H), i.e sun is the karak for father (a natural parivartan). 5/9 houses have a unique disposition as they are also the bhavat bhavam of each other. Nature has willed that they protect and support each other. The parivartan only enhances what nature has meant. //But in self-father-son, wherever there is exchange either persons becomes very much dependent on other due to one or other reasons.//If there is a close link like parivartan between father and son, and other planets have less influence, obviously one would depend on the other. It is like be all and end all for each other in some cases. //If there is exchange at 3,7,11 (kaama trines), marriage life is not smooth.//Basically any exchange would cause a looping and free flow of planetary energies between the concerned houses. It is, as if both planets are in both houses. A 3/7 exchange might mean marrying one’s neighbour, lot of journeys, travelling, etc. But there is a link of 3H and marak 7H, it could bring problems if other conditions prevail. If exchange is between 7/11, it tends to give multiple marriages. The exchange would only do good or bad for the house significations based on karkatwas of planets in exchange. //If there is exchange at 4,8,12 (moksha trines) person has to leave his motherland//.This is possible as 4H is residence and 12H is foreign land. But 4H should also have malefic influence for someone to leave home. Otherwise the exchange could give other results also. Good influence also makes one charitable and spiritual. Malefic influence makes one sickness/accident prone also. //Exchange at 2,6,10 , i don't have any clue !!//The same principles need to be applied. For a scorpio lagna, a 6/10 exchange could make one a doctor or a diplomat if venus is well placed. But exchange with 6 will bring its baggage of problems too. //This is my very limited observation, but is it true to any extent ?If yes, why these trinal exchange or even lordship placement at trinal position indicate losses.// I think losses have to be there whenever connections with trishadaya and marak crop up in trinal sequence. 3,7,11 have only bad lords (as per parashar), 2,6,10 has one bad lord, and 4,8,12 has 8 and 12 lords as dicey. Hope other members can share their opinions.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Dear Vijay ji,//Your explanation are just reminded many principles of laghu parashari.//Well, that was generally from Laghu Parashari. With only 42 shlokas, LP looks small and insignificant, but I find it is an absolute powerhouse for dasha phal of planets. No other text gives such clarity in application. //when you speak, i feel the style of shri K n Rao. [] even same with Sreeram srinivasji who also adds lot of humor in his writings.//I feel I don't deserve and stand anywhere in comparison with Sh KN Rao in words or style. But thanks, it is most humbling, as we all know how much he towers above us and how much more we need to learn from him. Best RegardsNeelam2009/3/7 Vijay Goel <goyalvj Respected neelamji, //and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// **I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we taste the fruits of success in material world. ** This make lot of sense to me, " konas remain only purusha " Your explaination are just reminded many principles of laghu parashari. Neelamji when you speak, i feel the style of shri K n Rao. [] even same with Sreeram srinivasji who also adds lot of humor in his writings. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > I am putting across some views to initiate the discussion. > > //What does the parivartan in trines indicate. > Here i mean parivartan between LL and 9L or 5L and 9L or LL and 5th lord. > Is is good or bad or both? any rules?// > > Trinal lords are always auspicious and if a parivartan involves lagna, it > also gives raj yoga as lagna is both a trine and a Kendra, e.g parivartan > between venus and Saturn in Taurus is very auspicious. 1/5 and 1/9 exchange > will give RY for material gains and not a 5/9 exchange. > > But each lord, except sun and moon is also the lord of another house. > For trinal lords, the other house can either be: > a Kendra (4,10), it can never be 7 > a trishadaya (6), it can never be 3,11 > neutral (2,12) > ashtam (8) > > Whenever the parivartan lords have one lordship with kendra and one trikona, > it becomes a RYK. e.g this happens in pisces, between jupiter (1,10) and > moon (5), it becomes very auspicious and a RY. It will give very good > results. > > In cases, when trinal lord associates with shashthesh, it gives bad results. > Jupiter of cancer, Saturn of virgo and mercury of Capricorn are not so > auspicious. E.g in cancer, jup is also the 6L which is the MT sign and an > exchange between moon and Jupiter is not so good. Parashar has called it > sadosha (blemished) sambandh. > > Where the other lordship is neutral i.e 2,12, the other house becomes > auspicious/ inauspicious as per its association and would behave > accordingly. Generally a jup in scorpio (2L/5L) will be auspicious, but a > jupiter of cancer (6L/9L) is not so auspicious. > > Regarding ashtamesh, Parashar says that if ashtamesh is auspicious (being > lord of lagna simultaneously), then its parivartan with another trinal lord > should be good. > > //Is it a laxmi yoga ?// > I think laxmi yoga is given by a strong 9L, when the ascendant is also > strong. Trinal parivartan may a type of laxmi yoga. > > //Since trines indicate elements, [agni (1,5,9), pritvi (2,6,10),vayu > (3,7,11), jal (4,8,12)] so the exchange are in the same elements between > satwic, Rajasic, tamasic rashis. What does it mean?// > Trines primarily deal with our dharma and our lineage > (self-son-father-religion). They indicate how we are predisposed to carry > our dharma, but without an interaction with kendras or Vishnu sthanas, > trines will not be effective in practice. A particular element in trine when > amplified with parivartana can only strengthen it further. > For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars, > Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!! > > //and the last one, how does above exchanges behaves in different Purusharat > (dharm, arth, kaam, moksha) from lagna?// > I guess konas remain only purusha (spirit) till artha is added to it by the > kendras. Konas show self in relation to sanchit and prarabdh and when konas > interact with the kendras, then dharma is translated into purushartha and we > taste the fruits of success in material world. We all know how empty kendras > can cause misery in worldly affairs, even when the konas are good. > One needs both Lakshmi and Vishnu to lead a meaningful life. > > Let us hear what others have to say on this. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Thankyou for such a brilliant explanation. Vijay Goel , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay ji, > > //Practically only one thing i have noted in the observation that in any > child horoscope if when 1,5,9, are in exchange (especially 5,9), Fathers > rises materially to the great extent, you may call that child very lucky for > father.// > Of course the significations of father-son relationship would come into > focus with such a parivartan. Have you noticed that natural lord of father > (9H) Jup is karak of son and natural lord of son (5H), i.e sun is the karak > for father (a natural parivartan). 5/9 houses have a unique disposition as > they are also the bhavat bhavam of each other. Nature has willed that they > protect and support each other. The parivartan only enhances what nature has > meant. > > //But in self-father-son, wherever there is exchange either persons becomes > very much dependent on other due to one or other reasons.// > If there is a close link like parivartan between father and son, and other > planets have less influence, obviously one would depend on the other. It is > like be all and end all for each other in some cases. > > //If there is exchange at 3,7,11 (kaama trines), marriage life is not > smooth.// > Basically any exchange would cause a looping and free flow of planetary > energies between the concerned houses. It is, as if both planets are in both > houses. A 3/7 exchange might mean marrying one's neighbour, lot of journeys, > travelling, etc. But there is a link of 3H and marak 7H, it could bring > problems if other conditions prevail. If exchange is between 7/11, it tends > to give multiple marriages. The exchange would only do good or bad for the > house significations based on karkatwas of planets in exchange. > > //If there is exchange at 4,8,12 (moksha trines) person has to leave his > motherland//. > This is possible as 4H is residence and 12H is foreign land. But 4H should > also have malefic influence for someone to leave home. Otherwise the > exchange could give other results also. Good influence also makes one > charitable and spiritual. Malefic influence makes one sickness/accident > prone also. > > //Exchange at 2,6,10 , i don't have any clue !!// > The same principles need to be applied. For a scorpio lagna, a 6/10 exchange > could make one a doctor or a diplomat if venus is well placed. But exchange > with 6 will bring its baggage of problems too. > > //This is my very limited observation, but is it true to any extent ? > If yes, why these trinal exchange or even lordship placement at trinal > position indicate losses.// > I think losses have to be there whenever connections with trishadaya and > marak crop up in trinal sequence. 3,7,11 have only bad lords (as per > parashar), 2,6,10 has one bad lord, and 4,8,12 has 8 and 12 lords as dicey. > > Hope other members can share their opinions. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Neelamji,////Practically only one thing i have noted in the observation that in any child horoscope if when 1,5,9, are in exchange (especially 5,9), Fathers rises materially to the great extent, you may call that child very lucky for father.//****Of course the significations of father-son relationship would come into focus with such a parivartan. Have you noticed that natural lord of father (9H) Jup is karak of son and natural lord of son (5H), i.e sun is the karak for father (a natural parivartan). 5/9 houses have a unique disposition as they are also the bhavat bhavam of each other. Nature has willed that they protect and support each other. The parivartan only enhances what nature has meant.****Just a coincident ,one of my known just called me complaining the Negative behaviour of his sister-in-law (sali) with his father-in-law (sashur).This female have the exchange of LL and 9H with 5L in 9th house.Her Details are : April 7, 1974Time: 11:09:46Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 08' 00", 28 N 47' 00" Bhiwani, IndiaShe is doctor by profession is MBBS and also has some higher degree also.Her husband is also a renowned doctor at AIIMS delhi with many higher degrees.She has one daughter.She has been rejected by her husband few years back and was residing with her father at Jaipur.It was said that she had some illicit relation with someone that husband came to know.Recently she was also found by her father that to have relationships with very lower types of people(s).Father is also a doctor.There is great enmity with his father from very beginning, before marriage. She has even filed many police cases against her father.Now father has gone to court to take permission so that he can take up his daughter to the mental hospital for recovery.She is very furious and has sharp tongue, but i had the chance to meet her few years back, she was very soft and does not look any such thing.I also have father details if needed i will post it.Any insights !! on this trinal exchange.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Vijay ji,> > //Practically only one thing i have noted in the observation that in any> child horoscope if when 1,5,9, are in exchange (especially 5,9), Fathers> rises materially to the great extent, you may call that child very lucky for> father.//> Of course the significations of father-son relationship would come into> focus with such a parivartan. Have you noticed that natural lord of father> (9H) Jup is karak of son and natural lord of son (5H), i.e sun is the karak> for father (a natural parivartan). 5/9 houses have a unique disposition as> they are also the bhavat bhavam of each other. Nature has willed that they> protect and support each other. The parivartan only enhances what nature has> meant.> > //But in self-father-son, wherever there is exchange either persons becomes> very much dependent on other due to one or other reasons.//> If there is a close link like parivartan between father and son, and other> planets have less influence, obviously one would depend on the other. It is> like be all and end all for each other in some cases.> > //If there is exchange at 3,7,11 (kaama trines), marriage life is not> smooth.//> Basically any exchange would cause a looping and free flow of planetary> energies between the concerned houses. It is, as if both planets are in both> houses. A 3/7 exchange might mean marrying one's neighbour, lot of journeys,> travelling, etc. But there is a link of 3H and marak 7H, it could bring> problems if other conditions prevail. If exchange is between 7/11, it tends> to give multiple marriages. The exchange would only do good or bad for the> house significations based on karkatwas of planets in exchange.> > //If there is exchange at 4,8,12 (moksha trines) person has to leave his> motherland//.> This is possible as 4H is residence and 12H is foreign land. But 4H should> also have malefic influence for someone to leave home. Otherwise the> exchange could give other results also. Good influence also makes one> charitable and spiritual. Malefic influence makes one sickness/accident> prone also.> > //Exchange at 2,6,10 , i don't have any clue !!//> The same principles need to be applied. For a scorpio lagna, a 6/10 exchange> could make one a doctor or a diplomat if venus is well placed. But exchange> with 6 will bring its baggage of problems too.> > //This is my very limited observation, but is it true to any extent ?> If yes, why these trinal exchange or even lordship placement at trinal> position indicate losses.//> I think losses have to be there whenever connections with trishadaya and> marak crop up in trinal sequence. 3,7,11 have only bad lords (as per> parashar), 2,6,10 has one bad lord, and 4,8,12 has 8 and 12 lords as dicey.> > Hope other members can share their opinions.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Neelamji, One thing i forget to say that does this trinal exchange in Dharma trikone (1,5,9) has different implication for the son and for the daughter. Regards, Vijay Goel , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay ji, > > //Practically only one thing i have noted in the observation that in any > child horoscope if when 1,5,9, are in exchange (especially 5,9), Fathers > rises materially to the great extent, you may call that child very lucky for > father.// > Of course the significations of father-son relationship would come into > focus with such a parivartan. Have you noticed that natural lord of father > (9H) Jup is karak of son and natural lord of son (5H), i.e sun is the karak > for father (a natural parivartan). 5/9 houses have a unique disposition as > they are also the bhavat bhavam of each other. Nature has willed that they > protect and support each other. The parivartan only enhances what nature has > meant. > > //But in self-father-son, wherever there is exchange either persons becomes > very much dependent on other due to one or other reasons.// > If there is a close link like parivartan between father and son, and other > planets have less influence, obviously one would depend on the other. It is > like be all and end all for each other in some cases. > > //If there is exchange at 3,7,11 (kaama trines), marriage life is not > smooth.// > Basically any exchange would cause a looping and free flow of planetary > energies between the concerned houses. It is, as if both planets are in both > houses. A 3/7 exchange might mean marrying one's neighbour, lot of journeys, > travelling, etc. But there is a link of 3H and marak 7H, it could bring > problems if other conditions prevail. If exchange is between 7/11, it tends > to give multiple marriages. The exchange would only do good or bad for the > house significations based on karkatwas of planets in exchange. > > //If there is exchange at 4,8,12 (moksha trines) person has to leave his > motherland//. > This is possible as 4H is residence and 12H is foreign land. But 4H should > also have malefic influence for someone to leave home. Otherwise the > exchange could give other results also. Good influence also makes one > charitable and spiritual. Malefic influence makes one sickness/accident > prone also. > > //Exchange at 2,6,10 , i don't have any clue !!// > The same principles need to be applied. For a scorpio lagna, a 6/10 exchange > could make one a doctor or a diplomat if venus is well placed. But exchange > with 6 will bring its baggage of problems too. > > //This is my very limited observation, but is it true to any extent ? > If yes, why these trinal exchange or even lordship placement at trinal > position indicate losses.// > I think losses have to be there whenever connections with trishadaya and > marak crop up in trinal sequence. 3,7,11 have only bad lords (as per > parashar), 2,6,10 has one bad lord, and 4,8,12 has 8 and 12 lords as dicey. > > Hope other members can share their opinions. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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