Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Members, I am new to this forum and I am sorry for asking some basic Qs. I am not even student but an aspirant hopeful I can learn this difficult subject. Can some one please clarify how to interpret a Parivartana yoga? All I could get is, it is powerful (in which way?) and it gets triggered during dasa of the planet involved. But to me, it is confusing when it involves Sun or Moon or any other planet dasa of which was in early in life. For example, Leo lagna Sun in Virgo and Merc in Leo (my chart) - while I understand both are bad placements as they are, do I now consider it as Sun in Leo and Merc in Virgo since Sun dasa is long gone in teens? Example, Mars exalted in 6H Cap and Saturn deb in 9H Aries. Does that mean after Mars dasa, it is like Mars in Aries and Saturn in Capricorn in 6H? Remove the affects of Mars exaltation or Saturn debility? How is any parivartan powerful? Does it mean the dasa of these planets will be powerful for the native - good or bad results? I do read texts and try to learn but few things still remain confusing. Any help is greatly appreciated. - Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Dear Satya ji,//All I could get is, it is powerful (in which way?) and it gets triggered during dasa of the planet involved. But to me, it is confusing when it involves Sun or Moon or any other planet dasa of which was in early in life.// You must’ve heard about the types of parivartan yogas depending upon the lordships of planets in exchange. It can be mahayoga, dainya yoga, khal yoga, etc. sometimes two occurring together. Parivartan is a strong yoga and both planets are strengthened and capable of giving each other’s results which depend entirely on the characteristics of the grahas which are exchanging their rashis. If they are both malefics, it will increasing their evil capacity, but always dignifying both. According to laghu parashari, if planets in parivartan are Rajyog karaks, they form the strongest yoga. If the dasha comes early in life and the yoga is good, the native may get a good upbringing, parental love, education, siblings, a good foundation. It could be good for father or mother. Why d o you think yogas fructifying in early life are a waste? A solid foundation is more important for any building. //For example, Leo lagna Sun in Virgo and Merc in Leo (my chart) - while I understand both are bad placements as they are, do I now consider it as Sun in Leo and Merc in Virgo since Sun dasa is long gone in teens?// In what way you think they are bad placements? 1/2 is supposed to be a good exchange, and mercury is also the 11L, so it is also 1/11 exchange. Good for wealth and gains. Since it comes early in life, mercury in 2H might give wealth to family, being in exchange with Sun, it can bring gains to father. You will in turn be rewarded. Of course other positions need to be checked, specially the nodes. //Example, Mars exalted in 6H Cap and Saturn deb in 9H Aries. Does that mean after Mars dasa, it is like Mars in Aries and Saturn in Capricorn in 6H? Remove the affects of Mars exaltation or Saturn debility?// Mars is YK for Leo. Here it is in exchange as well as mutual aspect. This will strongly manifest in the coming dasha of Saturn. An exchange of sat and mars, however it may be placed, it makes the personality, and will give full discipline from Shani and full productivity from Mars. You will definitely accomplish something in life though the road may be longer and harder toward every goal. There will always be a difference between a jup-ven exchange and mar-sat exchange. But you have to remember that it is a mahayoga as well as a dainya yoga, so you get both the results. This is what BV Raman says about this yoga:“When Mars is a yogakaraka and Saturn happens to be in Mars' vargas, then Saturn is automatically rendered strong. As to whether such strength expresses itself in good or bad respects depends on the horoscopic disposition of Saturn though by virtue of Saturn's inherent malefic nature, a measure of evil is bound to predominate. " -- B.V. Raman. (1992). A Catechism of Astrology, 4th Ed., p. 28//How is any parivartan powerful? Does it mean the dasa of these planets will be powerful for the native - good or bad results?// I leave that for you to judge now.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 In connection with the last quote by Shri BV Raman, does it hold true only for Parivartan Yoga or generally too. Yogakaraka determination --- Is it fixed based on principles like Badhakas or are there temp Yogkarakas too. ? Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Thu, 5/3/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Parivartan Yoga Date: Thursday, 5 March, 2009, 9:55 AM Dear Satya ji,//All I could get is, it is powerful (in which way?) and it gets triggered during dasa of the planet involved. But to me, it is confusing when it involves Sun or Moon or any other planet dasa of which was in early in life.//You must’ve heard about the types of parivartan yogas depending upon the lordships of planets in exchange. It can be mahayoga, dainya yoga, khal yoga, etc. sometimes two occurring together. Parivartan is a strong yoga and both planets are strengthened and capable of giving each other’s results which depend entirely on the characteristics of the grahas which are exchanging their rashis. If they are both malefics, it will increasing their evil capacity, but always dignifying both. According to laghu parashari, if planets in parivartan are Rajyog karaks, they form the strongest yoga.If the dasha comes early in life and the yoga is good, the native may get a good upbringing, parental love, education, siblings, a good foundation. It could be good for father or mother. Why d o you think yogas fructifying in early life are a waste? A solid foundation is more important for any building.//For example, Leo lagna Sun in Virgo and Merc in Leo (my chart) - while I understand both are bad placements as they are, do I now consider it as Sun in Leo and Merc in Virgo since Sun dasa is long gone in teens?//In what way you think they are bad placements? 1/2 is supposed to be a good exchange, and mercury is also the 11L, so it is also 1/11 exchange. Good for wealth and gains. Since it comes early in life, mercury in 2H might give wealth to family, being in exchange with Sun, it can bring gains to father. You will in turn be rewarded. Of course other positions need to be checked, specially the nodes.//Example, Mars exalted in 6H Cap and Saturn deb in 9H Aries. Does that mean after Mars dasa, it is like Mars in Aries and Saturn in Capricorn in 6H? Remove the affects of Mars exaltation or Saturn debility?//Mars is YK for Leo. Here it is in exchange as well as mutual aspect. This will strongly manifest in the coming dasha of Saturn. An exchange of sat and mars, however it may be placed, it makes the personality, and will give full discipline from Shani and full productivity from Mars. You will definitely accomplish something in life though the road may be longer and harder toward every goal. There will always be a difference between a jup-ven exchange and mar-sat exchange. But you have to remember that it is a mahayoga as well as a dainya yoga, so you get both the results. This is what BV Raman says about this yoga:“When Mars is a yogakaraka and Saturn happens to be in Mars' vargas, then Saturn is automatically rendered strong. As to whether such strength expresses itself in good or bad respects depends on the horoscopic disposition of Saturn though by virtue of Saturn's inherent malefic nature, a measure of evil is bound to predominate." -- B.V. Raman. (1992). A Catechism of Astrology, 4th Ed., p. 28//How is any parivartan powerful? Does it mean the dasa of these planets will be powerful for the native - good or bad results?//I leave that for you to judge now.RegardsNeelam Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Neelam ji, Thanks so much. I didn't mean yogas in early years are waste, I just meant if the parivartan is triggered in early years, is this to be considered as 1L in 1H and 2L in 2H in later on predictions in life? That's my confusion. And by powerful does that mean increase both benefic and malefic power of the planet? I have 2 parivartan in my chart - one involves LL Sun and 2L Merc, and another involves 6H Moon (Cap) and 12H Saturn (Cancer). So as per theory, both are good for the native. But my confusion is more towards interpreting aspects and transits. Ex: When I have Merc in 1H looking at 7H it is a good aspect, but if now I take it as Sun in 1H it is malefic aspect on 7H. Is n't it? Which is right interpretation? Same way, at birth my lagna is hemmed between Saturn (12H) and Sun (2H) but after parivatana (after both Sun and Moon dasa are passed) is it between Merc (2H) and Moon (12)? (Q1 - aspects) So if I am looking at transits, now as Saturn is in Leo, do I take it as 8H from Moon (6H) or 2H from Moon (12H)? (Q2 - transits) Thanks in advance for clarifications. I am too new to interpret any one else charts so trying with my own first. Details: DOB: 2 Oct, 76, TOB: 03.02 AM Place: 81E32, 16N32 - Satya , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Satya ji, > > //All I could get is, it is powerful (in which way?) and it gets triggered > during dasa of the planet involved. But to me, it is confusing when it > involves Sun or Moon or any other planet dasa of which was in early in > life.// > > You must've heard about the types of parivartan yogas depending upon the > lordships of planets in exchange. It can be mahayoga, dainya yoga, khal > yoga, etc. sometimes two occurring together. Parivartan is a strong yoga and > both planets are strengthened and capable of giving each other's results > which depend entirely on the characteristics of the grahas which are > exchanging their rashis. If they are both malefics, it will increasing their > evil capacity, but always dignifying both. According to laghu parashari, if > planets in parivartan are Rajyog karaks, they form the strongest yoga. > > If the dasha comes early in life and the yoga is good, the native may get a > good upbringing, parental love, education, siblings, a good foundation. It > could be good for father or mother. Why d o you think yogas fructifying in > early life are a waste? A solid foundation is more important for any > building. > > //For example, Leo lagna Sun in Virgo and Merc in Leo (my chart) - while I > understand both are bad placements as they are, do I now consider it as Sun > in Leo and Merc in Virgo since Sun dasa is long gone in teens?// > > In what way you think they are bad placements? 1/2 is supposed to be a good > exchange, and mercury is also the 11L, so it is also 1/11 exchange. Good for > wealth and gains. Since it comes early in life, mercury in 2H might give > wealth to family, being in exchange with Sun, it can bring gains to father. > You will in turn be rewarded. Of course other positions need to be checked, > specially the nodes. > > //Example, Mars exalted in 6H Cap and Saturn deb in 9H Aries. Does that mean > after Mars dasa, it is like Mars in Aries and Saturn in Capricorn in 6H? > Remove the affects of Mars exaltation or Saturn debility?// > > Mars is YK for Leo. Here it is in exchange as well as mutual aspect. This > will strongly manifest in the coming dasha of Saturn. An exchange of sat and > mars, however it may be placed, it makes the personality, and will give full > discipline from Shani and full productivity from Mars. You will definitely > accomplish something in life though the road may be longer and harder toward > every goal. There will always be a difference between a jup-ven exchange and > mar-sat exchange. > > But you have to remember that it is a mahayoga as well as a dainya yoga, so > you get both the results. This is what BV Raman says about this yoga: > " When Mars is a yogakaraka and Saturn happens to be in Mars' vargas, then > Saturn is automatically rendered strong. > As to whether such strength expresses itself in good or bad respects depends > on the horoscopic disposition of Saturn though by virtue of Saturn's > inherent malefic nature, a measure of evil is bound to predominate. " > -- B.V. Raman. (1992). A Catechism of Astrology, 4th Ed., p. 28 > > //How is any parivartan powerful? Does it mean the dasa of these planets > will be powerful for the native - good or bad results?// > I leave that for you to judge now. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Dear Neelam ji Thanks so much. I didn't mean yogas in early years are waste, I just meant if the parivartana is triggered in early years, is this exchange to be considered as 1L in 1H and 2L in 2H in later on predictions in life? That's my confusion. I have 2 parivartan in my chart - one involves LL Sun and 2L Merc, and another involves 6H Moon (Cap) and 12H Saturn (Cancer). So as per theory, both are good for the native. But my confusion is more towards interpreting aspects and transits. Ex: When I have Merc in 1H looking at 7H it is a good aspect, but if now I take it as Sun in 1H it is malefic aspect on 7H. Is n't it? Which is right interpretation? Same way, at birth my lagna is hemmed between Saturn and Sun but after parivatana (after both Sun and Moon dasa are passed) is it between Merc and Moon? (Q1 - aspects) So if I am looking at transits, now as Saturn is in Leo, do I take it as 8H from Moon or 2H from Moon - both are equally bad? (Q2 - transits) Thanks in advance for clarifications. I am too new to interpret any one else charts so trying with my own first. - Satya , " vsatya1076 " <vsatya1076 wrote: > > Members, > > I am new to this forum and I am sorry for asking some basic Qs. I am not even student but an aspirant hopeful I can learn this difficult subject. > > Can some one please clarify how to interpret a Parivartana yoga? All I could get is, it is powerful (in which way?) and it gets triggered during dasa of the planet involved. But to me, it is confusing when it involves Sun or Moon or any other planet dasa of which was in early in life. > > For example, Leo lagna Sun in Virgo and Merc in Leo (my chart) - while I understand both are bad placements as they are, do I now consider it as Sun in Leo and Merc in Virgo since Sun dasa is long gone in teens? > > Example, Mars exalted in 6H Cap and Saturn deb in 9H Aries. Does that mean after Mars dasa, it is like Mars in Aries and Saturn in Capricorn in 6H? Remove the affects of Mars exaltation or Saturn debility? > > How is any parivartan powerful? Does it mean the dasa of these planets will be powerful for the native - good or bad results? > > I do read texts and try to learn but few things still remain confusing. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > - Satya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Dear Satya ji, 1) One is derived intrepretation for parivartan's in the chart, in case of exchange you can in a way consider the planets in their own house/sign as the case may be. 2) For aspects or transits, you have to consider natal positions in the chart. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Sreeram ji, Thanks so much. That clears my doubt. Another thing, when there is parivartan do we consider there will be a change of direction with respect to the houses involved during the dasa of planets involved - say personality or wealth or goals, some thing like that? If parivartan yoga gets triggered during dasa of the planet, it does look too young (3-13 yrs when I had Sun and Moon dasa) to involve any major change of direction, most of us are directionless at that age. And I do not remember any significant events happening around that time in my life. Regards, Satya , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Satya ji, > > 1) One is derived intrepretation for parivartan's in the chart, in case > of exchange you can in a way consider the planets in their own > house/sign as the case may be. > > 2) For aspects or transits, you have to consider natal positions in the > chart. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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