Interplay of houses in astrology

March 1, 2009

This is not so easy as we know, or looks, or sounds.

Example -

Normally when we are asked by a lady, whether, will she have a child ?

We will see the 5th house connected to the 2nd or the 11th

or the 8th, and say Yes or No. is it not ?

If the same lady AFTER BECOMING PREGNANT comes to us

and asks us, when she is going to deliver the child ?

Most of us would see the 5th house again, to get the inputs.

But this is not the right way.

Then what is the right way ?

We will have to see the 3rd house, the 6th house and the 12th house

to answer her question, as to when they are going to be activated ,

in order to grant her the child ?

Why the 3rd house ? ( Read next properly )

Because the 4th house is the stomach of the mother, and the 3rd house

is the 12th to the 3rd, therefore for the child to come out of the womb,

the 3rd has to be activated .

Why the 6th House ?

Because this house will show Labour in delivery.

Why the 12th house ?

Because this house shows pains, and hospitalisation.

The 8th House also ?

For surgery or Birth through Cesarean this house needs to be

activated too.

Therefore, we will have to check, when in transit would these 3 houses be activated, in order for the lady to give birth to the child.

Thus the interplay of houses is a very intricate matter and one must study and study ( Read and Read Chart analysis ),as much as one can, in order to grasp the finer details, to become wiser, and not waste time in useless theories which do not lead one to predictive.

regards/Bhaskar.

March 1, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,

This is the correct and 'doubt free' method to attend to any inquiry in 'Predictive Astrology'. You have 'hammered' the nail at right place.

Hats off to your method.

A.V.Pathi,

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:36:28 PM Interplay of houses in astrology

Interplay of houses in astrology

This is not so easy as we know, or looks, or sounds.

Example -

Normally when we are asked by a lady, whether, will she have a child ?

We will see the 5th house connected to the 2nd or the 11th

or the 8th, and say Yes or No. is it not ?

If the same lady AFTER BECOMING PREGNANT comes to us

and asks us, when she is going to deliver the child ?

Most of us would see the 5th house again, to get the inputs.

But this is not the right way.

Then what is the right way ?

We will have to see the 3rd house, the 6th house and the 12th house

to answer her question, as to when they are going to be activated ,

in order to grant her the child ?

Why the 3rd house ? ( Read next properly )

Because the 4th house is the stomach of the mother, and the 3rd house

is the 12th to the 3rd, therefore for the child to come out of the womb,

the 3rd has to be activated .

Why the 6th House ?

Because this house will show Labour in delivery.

Why the 12th house ?

Because this house shows pains, and hospitalisation.

The 8th House also ?

For surgery or Birth through Cesarean this house needs to be

activated too.

Therefore, we will have to check, when in transit would these 3 houses be activated, in order for the lady to give birth to the child.

Thus the interplay of houses is a very intricate matter and one must study and study ( Read and Read Chart analysis ),as much as one can, in order to grasp the finer details, to become wiser, and not waste time in useless theories which do not lead one to predictive.

regards/Bhaskar.

March 2, 2009

Dear Bhaskarji,

// Because the 4th house is the stomach of the mother,

and the 3rd house is the 12th to the 3rd, therefore for the child to

come out of the womb, the 3rd has to be activated .//

Why do you choose the 4th house as stomach of mother. I always

thought that 5th house is for stomach. The womb or the " garbha " is

represented by the 9th house. The child comes out of the womb, not

out of the stomach. I had done lot of research on this, when I was

trying to predict the date, my sis-in-law would deliver. I had

predicted Jan19, 2009, the boy was born on Jan 17. It was my first

try to predict such an event (I am not a professional astrologer),

honestly speaking I had spent several days to work on this.

While researching on this I found out something else- the running

dasha at the time of birth for anyone could be associated with either

of the 3rd or the 10th houses, checked from either the Asc or the

moon. I think this is because all of us leave the 9th house of garbha

permanently.

//one must study and study ( Read and Read Chart analysis ),as much

as one can, in order to grasp the finer details, to become wiser, and

not waste time in useless theories which do not lead one to

predictive.//

True- We need to analyze as much we can. Not true- no theory is or

can be useless. Theories written by rishis have hidden meanings, but

they are definitely not meaningless.

Regards,

bhagavathi

March 2, 2009

Dear Bhagavathi ji,

// While researching on this I found out something else- the running

dasha at the time of birth for anyone could be associated with either

of the 3rd or the 10th houses, checked from either the Asc or the

moon. I think this is because all of us leave the 9th house of garbha

permanently.//

Are you referring to the garbha of the mother or of self? One leaves

the garbha of the mother permanently at birth. So why should 10th

house of the new born baby should be activated at the time of birth?

May be I got it wrong...please clarify....thanks.

blessings

Renu

,

" bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> // Because the 4th house is the stomach of the mother,

> and the 3rd house is the 12th to the 3rd, therefore for the child to

> come out of the womb, the 3rd has to be activated .//

>

> Why do you choose the 4th house as stomach of mother. I always

> thought that 5th house is for stomach. The womb or the " garbha " is

> represented by the 9th house. The child comes out of the womb, not

> out of the stomach. I had done lot of research on this, when I was

> trying to predict the date, my sis-in-law would deliver. I had

> predicted Jan19, 2009, the boy was born on Jan 17. It was my first

> try to predict such an event (I am not a professional astrologer),

> honestly speaking I had spent several days to work on this.

>

> While researching on this I found out something else- the running

> dasha at the time of birth for anyone could be associated with either

> of the 3rd or the 10th houses, checked from either the Asc or the

> moon. I think this is because all of us leave the 9th house of garbha

> permanently.

>

> //one must study and study ( Read and Read Chart analysis ),as much

> as one can, in order to grasp the finer details, to become wiser, and

> not waste time in useless theories which do not lead one to

> predictive.//

>

> True- We need to analyze as much we can. Not true- no theory is or

> can be useless. Theories written by rishis have hidden meanings, but

> they are definitely not meaningless.

>

> Regards,

>

> bhagavathi

>

March 2, 2009

Dear Renuji,

Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th house. Any life, boy or

girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H. Birth takes place,

when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H permanently. So this " could "

be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you check any chart, the

dasha at the time of birth " could " be associated with either 3rd or the

10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon lagna. I hope I have

clarified your doubt

Please also note the word " could " , this is my own research, still in

its infancy.

Regards,

bhagavathi

March 2, 2009

Dear Bhagvathi ji,

The 4th is commonly known as the womb ( Stomach ), and when we talk of child birth and say it as stomache of mother, we mean it as womb .

I do not have any inkling as to how the 9th can be taken as the " Garbha ". I have heard this for the first time.

When I was talking of useless theories, I was not talking about what the Rishi Munis have written, but was speaking about what we ordinary mortals discuss, for instance the thread on " In which dasha I learnt astrology ".

yes I saw Your chart, You said that you learnt Astrology in the Dasha/antar of the 8th Lord, but You forget to mention, that your 8th Lord is also the 9th Lord in your Birth chart,

regards/Bhaskar.

, "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > // Because the 4th house is the stomach of the mother,> and the 3rd house is the 12th to the 3rd, therefore for the child to> come out of the womb, the 3rd has to be activated .//> > Why do you choose the 4th house as stomach of mother. I always > thought that 5th house is for stomach. The womb or the "garbha" is > represented by the 9th house. The child comes out of the womb, not > out of the stomach. I had done lot of research on this, when I was > trying to predict the date, my sis-in-law would deliver. I had > predicted Jan19, 2009, the boy was born on Jan 17. It was my first > try to predict such an event (I am not a professional astrologer), > honestly speaking I had spent several days to work on this. > > While researching on this I found out something else- the running > dasha at the time of birth for anyone could be associated with either > of the 3rd or the 10th houses, checked from either the Asc or the > moon. I think this is because all of us leave the 9th house of garbha > permanently. > > //one must study and study ( Read and Read Chart analysis ),as much > as one can, in order to grasp the finer details, to become wiser, and > not waste time in useless theories which do not lead one to > predictive.//> > True- We need to analyze as much we can. Not true- no theory is or > can be useless. Theories written by rishis have hidden meanings, but > they are definitely not meaningless. > > Regards,> > bhagavathi>

March 2, 2009

Those who claim to have learnt astrology, when their 8th house was

running, please give me your birth particulars, so that I can verify

this as a study. Because one may get interest of Occult in the 8th Dasha

Lord, but to study ( Continously ), at a stretch and gain success here,

thats not possible.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Bhagvathi ji,

>

> The 4th is commonly known as the womb ( Stomach ), and when we talk of

> child birth and say it as stomache of mother, we mean it as womb .

>

> I do not have any inkling as to how the 9th can be taken as the

> " Garbha " . I have heard this for the first time.

>

> When I was talking of useless theories, I was not talking about what

the

> Rishi Munis have written, but was speaking about what we ordinary

> mortals discuss, for instance the thread on " In which dasha I learnt

> astrology " .

>

> yes I saw Your chart, You said that you learnt Astrology in the

> Dasha/antar of the 8th Lord, but You forget to mention, that your 8th

> Lord is also the 9th Lord in your Birth chart,

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

,

" bhagavathi_hariharan "

> bhagavathi_hariharan@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > // Because the 4th house is the stomach of the mother,

> > and the 3rd house is the 12th to the 3rd, therefore for the child to

> > come out of the womb, the 3rd has to be activated .//

> >

> > Why do you choose the 4th house as stomach of mother. I always

> > thought that 5th house is for stomach. The womb or the " garbha " is

> > represented by the 9th house. The child comes out of the womb, not

> > out of the stomach. I had done lot of research on this, when I was

> > trying to predict the date, my sis-in-law would deliver. I had

> > predicted Jan19, 2009, the boy was born on Jan 17. It was my first

> > try to predict such an event (I am not a professional astrologer),

> > honestly speaking I had spent several days to work on this.

> >

> > While researching on this I found out something else- the running

> > dasha at the time of birth for anyone could be associated with

either

> > of the 3rd or the 10th houses, checked from either the Asc or the

> > moon. I think this is because all of us leave the 9th house of

garbha

> > permanently.

> >

> > //one must study and study ( Read and Read Chart analysis ),as much

> > as one can, in order to grasp the finer details, to become wiser,

and

> > not waste time in useless theories which do not lead one to

> > predictive.//

> >

> > True- We need to analyze as much we can. Not true- no theory is or

> > can be useless. Theories written by rishis have hidden meanings, but

> > they are definitely not meaningless.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > bhagavathi

> >

>

March 2, 2009

Respected Sh Bhagavathi ji,

I agree with you that 9thH is the womb, because the father is the cause of

male/female child. The 5th house is womb being 9th from 9th. According to my

observation 4th house can never be womb.The dasha of 10thL or planets is 10th or

navamshesh of 10th lord i.e. 2nd to 9th, adds to the family of father, and dasha

of 3rd lord is 7th from father. 3rd means planets in 3rd, navamshesh of 3rd

lord, depositor of 3rd lord and nakshtra lord of 3rd lord can be added.So all

the factors influencing the 10th and 3rd house and their lords can be the cause

of birth of the child. I have not examined the influence of D/7. The sign in the

lagna play a part to take 9th or 5th house for prediction of child.I take odd

sign in lagna for anti-clock wise direction and even sign for clock wise

direction in North Indian chart. It give good results.

I shall be glad if other members share their views.

With warm regards.

--- On Mon, 3/2/09, bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

> bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan

> Re: Interplay of houses in astrology

>

> Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:07 AM

> Dear Renuji,

>

> Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th house. Any

> life, boy or

> girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H. Birth

> takes place,

> when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H permanently. So

> this " could "

> be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you check any

> chart, the

> dasha at the time of birth " could " be associated

> with either 3rd or the

> 10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon lagna. I

> hope I have

> clarified your doubt

>

> Please also note the word " could " , this is my own

> research, still in

> its infancy.

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

---

>

March 2, 2009

Dear Kursija ji,//...9thH is the womb, because the father is the cause of male/female child. //Could you please elaborate on that. I am sorry I did't get that logic. How does a native's father become responsible for her womb just because he is the cause of male/female child?

//According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.//4H and cancer is the cosmic womb. This is the hiranyagarbha and the receptacle for all manifestations. This is the house where seed of creativity is sown to germinate and be visible in the 5H.

A child is the utmost form of creativity and I think seed gets sown in 4H. This house is also the house of motherhood, nurturing, nourishment and connects us with nadir. It represents all that is lies inside the earth. For other morphological considerations, uterus as such is in libra and 7H.

Hope to have more views on this.RegardsNeelam2009/3/2 S.C. Kursija <sckursija

Respected Sh Bhagavathi ji,

I agree with you that 9thH is the womb, because the father is the cause of male/female child. The 5th house is womb being 9th from 9th. According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.The dasha of 10thL or planets is 10th or navamshesh of 10th lord i.e. 2nd to 9th, adds to the family of father, and dasha of 3rd lord is 7th from father. 3rd means planets in 3rd, navamshesh of 3rd lord, depositor of 3rd lord and nakshtra lord of 3rd lord can be added.So all the factors influencing the 10th and 3rd house and their lords can be the cause of birth of the child. I have not examined the influence of D/7. The sign in the lagna play a part to take 9th or 5th house for prediction of child.I take odd sign in lagna for anti-clock wise direction and even sign for clock wise direction in North Indian chart. It give good results.

I shall be glad if other members share their views.

With warm regards.

--- On Mon, 3/2/09, bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

> bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan

> Re: Interplay of houses in astrology

>

> Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:07 AM

> Dear Renuji,

>

> Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th house. Any

> life, boy or

> girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H. Birth

> takes place,

> when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H permanently. So

> this " could "

> be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you check any

> chart, the

> dasha at the time of birth " could " be associated

> with either 3rd or the

> 10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon lagna. I

> hope I have

> clarified your doubt

>

> Please also note the word " could " , this is my own

> research, still in

> its infancy.

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>

> ---

>

March 2, 2009

Dear Kursija ji and all,

At the most the point of discussion for which house represents the

womb/stomach, can be the 4th or 5th, or extended to the 7th and the 8th.

The 9th being " womb " is absurd to say the least .

If we say that the 5th house stands for " stomach " and not the 4th,

then the 9th house stands for The thighs in general astrology. How can

it be termed as the " womb " house " ?

regards/Bhaskar.

, " S.C. Kursija "

<sckursija wrote:

>

> Respected Sh Bhagavathi ji,

> I agree with you that 9thH is the womb, because the father is the

cause of male/female child. The 5th house is womb being 9th from 9th.

According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.The dasha of

10thL or planets is 10th or navamshesh of 10th lord i.e. 2nd to 9th,

adds to the family of father, and dasha of 3rd lord is 7th from father.

3rd means planets in 3rd, navamshesh of 3rd lord, depositor of 3rd lord

and nakshtra lord of 3rd lord can be added.So all the factors

influencing the 10th and 3rd house and their lords can be the cause of

birth of the child. I have not examined the influence of D/7. The sign

in the lagna play a part to take 9th or 5th house for prediction of

child.I take odd sign in lagna for anti-clock wise direction and even

sign for clock wise direction in North Indian chart. It give good

results.

> I shall be glad if other members share their views.

> With warm regards.

>

> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan

wrote:

>

> > bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan

> > Re: Interplay of houses in

astrology

> >

> > Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:07 AM

> > Dear Renuji,

> >

> > Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th house. Any

> > life, boy or

> > girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H. Birth

> > takes place,

> > when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H permanently. So

> > this " could "

> > be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you check any

> > chart, the

> > dasha at the time of birth " could " be associated

> > with either 3rd or the

> > 10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon lagna. I

> > hope I have

> > clarified your doubt

> >

> > Please also note the word " could " , this is my own

> > research, still in

> > its infancy.

> >

> > Regards,

> > bhagavathi

> >

> > ---

> >

March 2, 2009

Dear All,Some views on the interplay of houses in astrology:One would become an astrologer when 1/9/11 are conducive to astrology as seen in relation with karakas Mercury and Jupiter.

But practically the whole chart and all planets get involved once the above condition is satisfied. Closer sambandh of various houses or lords may indicate the following. 1H: for complete involvement of self and continuation of learning.

2H: for predictions to come true, speech or vaani and good expression. This also gives a disciplined study and may indicate a traditional upbringing in this line. Indicates earning from astrology if conditions prevail.

3H: astrology as hobby, efforts and concentration (dhyan and asana), writings, working with computers, may be doing palmistry and tarot also.4H: Learning, deep studies, establishment of institutions in astrology.

5H: Intelligence and intuition in learning, power of discrimination, use of mantras, may indicate a continuation of learning from previous birth, etc.6H: Hard work and struggles, day to day problems in practice, hostility, inclination towards astrology for cases of medical/financial/legal/marital discords type.

7H: Indicates the public relations of the astrologer, he can indulge in trading of gems and other ware if 2H is also involved.8H: going deep into research and hidden areas, may practice occult in various forms along with astrology.

9H: astrology under a Guru’s guidance, from shastras and higher learning, spiritual inclinations in astrolgy.10H: astrology for livelihood, respect and honour in the field.11H: If this is well connected, it indicates a cumulative influence of all types of gains through astrology, the monetary gains, titles and honours, friends and associates, etc. This shows the growth and progress in astrology for the native. A connection of 11H is needed to make any worthwhile headway in this line.

12H: may indicate a study/practice abroad or in an ashram, work in the night/less sleep, may become a recluse doing astrology, doing charity work and giving donations for astrology.This was just indicative and we may add to it with our imagination.We can look for this interplay and see what type of astrology we are doing. We may also change our focus with the changing sequence of dashas.

Hope this is useful.RegardsNeelam

March 2, 2009

My dear friend Bhaskar,

I have clearly said the 5th and 9th hose are interrelated as 5th from 5th is 9th

and 9th from 9th is 5th house.The house of stomach is 5th house not 4th house.

All the classics say the same for example See Phaladeepika chapter 14 shloka

10h.

I shall be glad if some classics may be mentioned to support for womb as 4th. It

can be 12th to 5th.

--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: Interplay of houses in astrology

>

> Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:08 PM

> Dear Kursija ji and all,

>

> At the most the point of discussion for which house

> represents the

> womb/stomach, can be the 4th or 5th, or extended to the 7th

> and the 8th.

>

> The 9th being " womb " is absurd to say the least

> .

>

> If we say that the 5th house stands for "

> stomach " and not the 4th,

> then the 9th house stands for The thighs in general

> astrology. How can

> it be termed as the " womb " house " ?

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " S.C.

> Kursija "

> <sckursija wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sh Bhagavathi ji,

> > I agree with you that 9thH is the womb, because the

> father is the

> cause of male/female child. The 5th house is womb being 9th

> from 9th.

> According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.The

> dasha of

> 10thL or planets is 10th or navamshesh of 10th lord i.e.

> 2nd to 9th,

> adds to the family of father, and dasha of 3rd lord is 7th

> from father.

> 3rd means planets in 3rd, navamshesh of 3rd lord, depositor

> of 3rd lord

> and nakshtra lord of 3rd lord can be added.So all the

> factors

> influencing the 10th and 3rd house and their lords can be

> the cause of

> birth of the child. I have not examined the influence of

> D/7. The sign

> in the lagna play a part to take 9th or 5th house for

> prediction of

> child.I take odd sign in lagna for anti-clock wise

> direction and even

> sign for clock wise direction in North Indian chart. It

> give good

> results.

> > I shall be glad if other members share their views.

> > With warm regards.

> >

> > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, bhagavathi_hariharan

> bhagavathi_hariharan

> wrote:

> >

> > > bhagavathi_hariharan

> bhagavathi_hariharan

> > > Re: Interplay

> of houses in

> astrology

> > >

> > > Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:07 AM

> > > Dear Renuji,

> > >

> > > Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th

> house. Any

> > > life, boy or

> > > girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H.

> Birth

> > > takes place,

> > > when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H

> permanently. So

> > > this " could "

> > > be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you

> check any

> > > chart, the

> > > dasha at the time of birth " could " be

> associated

> > > with either 3rd or the

> > > 10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon

> lagna. I

> > > hope I have

> > > clarified your doubt

> > >

> > > Please also note the word " could " , this

> is my own

> > > research, still in

> > > its infancy.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > bhagavathi

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

March 2, 2009

Dear Learned friends,

The astrology which we do today, is too general for commenting on same. Yet we must at times, to sort out matters. When absurdity is prophesed.

Cancer actually rules both over Breast as well as part of the upper stomach, including digestive system ( Why do they say that too much worry upsets the stomache, specially before one goes for sitting in some exams ) etc.

Leo rules over the Spinal marrow, heart and nerves etc. and part of the lower stomach.

Again the above is too general. When one goes to study medical astrology, then the above too would seem passe.

Anyway, my questions for the wise members here.

1) Okay if they consider the 5th as stomache, then what does the 6th house indicate ?

2) The 4th shows Milk in the Mothers breats . Yes or No ? They have to say Yes. So my question is if the 4th house shows Mothers milk, then how come the 9th house which is so far off, show Womb ?

Does the milk of the mother come out from the 7th ( External Generative Organs ) ? or does it come out from the 8th House ( Internal generative organs ) ? Please explain. Shall we consider then, the 4th house for Mothers milk as redundant, if the womb has shifted so far to the 9 th house ?

Bhaskar.

March 2, 2009

Dear Kursijaji,

The Classics were made at times when vehicles or means of travel , meant Bullock carts, or Chariots or Horses.

In days of specialisation today, when we have a specialist for evey ailment of the body, the equations have changed, though the basics remain quite the same in essence.

I would rather have you point out which classic tells us that the womb is to be seen from the 9th House in a Horoscope ?

Kursija ji, we need originality here. Most of the times your entry in the threads only create diversions and no contribution, and rather to create more differences between members. I have never found any creative subject being shared by you till date, though you claim to be a Teacher ( Medical Astrology ??) in Delhi. What have you taught us students in this Group ?

In the meanwhile please answer, which classic says that the 9th is the womb in a mother ???

Bhaskar.

, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> > My dear friend Bhaskar,> I have clearly said the 5th and 9th hose are interrelated as 5th from 5th is 9th and 9th from 9th is 5th house.The house of stomach is 5th house not 4th house. All the classics say the same for example See Phaladeepika chapter 14 shloka 10h.> I shall be glad if some classics may be mentioned to support for womb as 4th. It can be 12th to 5th.> > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Interplay of houses in astrology> > > > Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:08 PM> > Dear Kursija ji and all,> > > > At the most the point of discussion for which house> > represents the> > womb/stomach, can be the 4th or 5th, or extended to the 7th> > and the 8th.> > > > The 9th being " womb" is absurd to say the least> > .> > > > If we say that the 5th house stands for "> > stomach" and not the 4th, > > then the 9th house stands for The thighs in general> > astrology. How can> > it be termed as the "womb" house " ?> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "S.C.> > Kursija"> > sckursija@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Respected Sh Bhagavathi ji,> > > I agree with you that 9thH is the womb, because the> > father is the> > cause of male/female child. The 5th house is womb being 9th> > from 9th.> > According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.The> > dasha of> > 10thL or planets is 10th or navamshesh of 10th lord i.e.> > 2nd to 9th,> > adds to the family of father, and dasha of 3rd lord is 7th> > from father.> > 3rd means planets in 3rd, navamshesh of 3rd lord, depositor> > of 3rd lord> > and nakshtra lord of 3rd lord can be added.So all the> > factors> > influencing the 10th and 3rd house and their lords can be> > the cause of> > birth of the child. I have not examined the influence of> > D/7. The sign> > in the lagna play a part to take 9th or 5th house for> > prediction of> > child.I take odd sign in lagna for anti-clock wise> > direction and even> > sign for clock wise direction in North Indian chart. It> > give good> > results.> > > I shall be glad if other members share their views.> > > With warm regards.> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, bhagavathi_hariharan> > bhagavathi_hariharan@> > wrote:> > >> > > > bhagavathi_hariharan> > bhagavathi_hariharan@> > > > Re: Interplay> > of houses in> > astrology> > > > > > > > Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:07 AM> > > > Dear Renuji,> > > >> > > > Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th> > house. Any> > > > life, boy or> > > > girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H.> > Birth> > > > takes place,> > > > when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H> > permanently. So> > > > this "could"> > > > be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you> > check any> > > > chart, the> > > > dasha at the time of birth "could" be> > associated> > > > with either 3rd or the> > > > 10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon> > lagna. I> > > > hope I have> > > > clarified your doubt> > > >> > > > Please also note the word "could", this> > is my own> > > > research, still in> > > > its infancy.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > bhagavathi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ---> > > >> > > >

March 2, 2009

My friend Bhaskar,

I submite that there is no air tight compartment in astrology for the each organ, from nose to anus the 8th house all are inter related. One mucus membrane is running through them. They are connected to brain and nervous system through spinal cort It is for the convenience to understand the medical astrology, we have divided the different houses to understand the disease and their functions. If one is suffering from diabetes, first of all the controller of the functions-brain should be affected, 2nd house the eating habit, eye, should be involved, 3rd-way of working habits, 4th-emotions and relations, 5th-digestivce power,, 6th-, bad habits, 7th-frequent and excess urination and external organs for burning due to excess sugar in urine are involved.Similarly for Cancer of any organ whole body is responsible. It only for the convenience and understanding we have divided the houses for deffirent parts and organs of

body.

Regards.--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Interplay of houses in astrology Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 2:22 PM

Dear Learned friends,

The astrology which we do today, is too general for commenting on same. Yet we must at times, to sort out matters. When absurdity is prophesed.

Cancer actually rules both over Breast as well as part of the upper stomach, including digestive system ( Why do they say that too much worry upsets the stomache, specially before one goes for sitting in some exams ) etc.

Leo rules over the Spinal marrow, heart and nerves etc. and part of the lower stomach.

Again the above is too general. When one goes to study medical astrology, then the above too would seem passe.

Anyway, my questions for the wise members here.

1) Okay if they consider the 5th as stomache, then what does the 6th house indicate ?

2) The 4th shows Milk in the Mothers breats . Yes or No ? They have to say Yes. So my question is if the 4th house shows Mothers milk, then how come the 9th house which is so far off, show Womb ?

Does the milk of the mother come out from the 7th ( External Generative Organs ) ? or does it come out from the 8th House ( Internal generative organs ) ? Please explain. Shall we consider then, the 4th house for Mothers milk as redundant, if the womb has shifted so far to the 9 th house ?

Bhaskar.

March 2, 2009

Dear All,Though we may not find classical sanction for every issue. But classical texts have given us enough guidance, and we are free to derive our logical conclusions.We may try to see this issue in two ways:

From the point of view of the child, he comes from the womb. 4H is his abode before taking birth in the 5H. It is the karma and action of the 7H of the native and its result is indicated in the 5H (11H from 7th and 2nd from 4th). This is the 12H of the child were his cycle starts and gets completed. So womb as seen from child’s angle can be 4H and the pregnancy and birth is seen in the 5H.

From the point of view of the native, the womb is an organ and morphologically it is signified by the 7/8 houses. The birth of a child can also be seen from these houses, but the final outcome is in 11th from this, i.e 5H. In this connection we may notice why saptamsha is used to find all about children.

RegardsNeelam

March 2, 2009

Dear Neelamji,

// the womb is an organ and > morphologically it is signified by the

7/8 houses //

You are the only person who has got it right uptil now.

thanks.

( I was just playing with these astrologers (??) )

regards/Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Though we may not find classical sanction for every issue. But

classical

> texts have given us enough guidance, and we are free to derive our

logical

> conclusions.

>

> We may try to see this issue in two ways:

>

> *From the point of view of the child,* he comes from the womb. 4H is

his

> abode before taking birth in the 5H. It is the karma and action of the

7H of

> the native and its result is indicated in the 5H (11H from 7th and 2nd

from

> 4th). This is the 12H of the child were his cycle starts and gets

completed.

> So womb as seen from child's angle can be 4H and the pregnancy and

birth is

> seen in the 5H.

>

> *From the point of view of the native,* the womb is an organ and

> morphologically it is signified by the 7/8 houses. The birth of a

child can

> also be seen from these houses, but the final outcome is in 11th from

this,

> i.e 5H. In this connection we may notice why saptamsha is used to find

all

> about children.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

March 2, 2009

Dear Neelamji,

Now this is just for you, specially, since you have the ability to understand this.

Using principles of Bhavat Bhavam -

The 3rd from the 3rd house is the 5th, which signifies Poorva-Punya, male child, and the pace of actions.

The 9th from the 9th is the 5th House. The 9th indicates Dharma, while the 5th signifies "children". hence creating progeny is in itself the highest form of Dharma.

Moon we say is emotions, and Moon we say is also Water and liquid like Milks. When we see a emotional scene in a movie tears start forming in our eyes due to emotions. Same way when the affections are aroused in a cow or mother Milk starts flowing from the breast/udders for the child/calf. This is the example of co-relations of Planets and their significations.

The 5th certainly shows child. But whenever a miscarriage is to appear, or abortion, then the 4th becomes stronger and overtakes the 5th. At time of delivery , the 3rd becomes stronger and breaks the strength of the 4th, to allow the 5th to gain, as the 3rd is the 11th from the 5th. ( Just re-read this beautiful Circle of action. You will not find this written in any book ).

regards/Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,> > // the womb is an organ and > morphologically it is signified by the> 7/8 houses //> > You are the only person who has got it right uptil now.> > thanks.> > ( I was just playing with these astrologers (??) )> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > , neelam gupta> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >> > Though we may not find classical sanction for every issue. But> classical> > texts have given us enough guidance, and we are free to derive our> logical> > conclusions.> >> > We may try to see this issue in two ways:> >> > *From the point of view of the child,* he comes from the womb. 4H is> his> > abode before taking birth in the 5H. It is the karma and action of the> 7H of> > the native and its result is indicated in the 5H (11H from 7th and 2nd> from> > 4th). This is the 12H of the child were his cycle starts and gets> completed.> > So womb as seen from child's angle can be 4H and the pregnancy and> birth is> > seen in the 5H.> >> > *From the point of view of the native,* the womb is an organ and> > morphologically it is signified by the 7/8 houses. The birth of a> child can> > also be seen from these houses, but the final outcome is in 11th from> this,> > i.e 5H. In this connection we may notice why saptamsha is used to find> all> > about children.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >>

March 2, 2009

dear Neelamji,

Ur explanation is quite good. After reading it I thought i can share

my observation.

In natural zodiac 4 th house cancer becomes the cosmic womb wherein

the fertilised ovum gets implanted. for the fertilised ovum to grow the 5th house

represented by the Sun gives the warmth and nourishment to grow.

It is observed in nature that without sunlight nothing grows or at least artificial

sunlight ( this explains the test tube baby or IVF specialists try to fertilise the

ovum in a petri dish and keeping it alive to begrown and then implant the same in the

uterus at the right moment) has to be created for the growth of the plants.

So ur explanation fits into the above.

thanks,

regards,

k.gopu--- On Mon, 3/2/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Interplay of houses in astrology Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:26 PM

Dear Kursija ji,//...9thH is the womb, because the father is the cause of male/female child. //Could you please elaborate on that. I am sorry I did't get that logic. How does a native's father become responsible for her womb just because he is the cause of male/female child? //According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.//4H and cancer is the cosmic womb. This is the hiranyagarbha and the receptacle for all manifestations. This is the house where seed of creativity is sown to germinate and be visible in the 5H. A child is the utmost form of creativity and I think seed gets sown in 4H. This house is also the house of motherhood, nurturing, nourishment and connects us with nadir. It represents all that is lies inside the earth. For other morphological considerations, uterus as such is in libra and 7H. Hope to have more

views on this.RegardsNeelam

2009/3/2 S.C. Kursija <sckursija >

Respected Sh Bhagavathi ji,I agree with you that 9thH is the womb, because the father is the cause of male/female child. The 5th house is womb being 9th from 9th. According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.The dasha of 10thL or planets is 10th or navamshesh of 10th lord i.e. 2nd to 9th, adds to the family of father, and dasha of 3rd lord is 7th from father. 3rd means planets in 3rd, navamshesh of 3rd lord, depositor of 3rd lord and nakshtra lord of 3rd lord can be added.So all the factors influencing the 10th and 3rd house and their lords can be the cause of birth of the child. I have not examined the influence of D/7. The sign in the lagna play a part to take 9th or 5th house for prediction of child.I take odd sign in lagna for anti-clock wise direction and even sign for clock wise direction in North Indian chart. It give good results.I shall be glad if other members share their views.With warm regards.--- On

Mon, 3/2/09, bhagavathi_harihara n <bhagavathi_harihara n wrote:> bhagavathi_harihara n <bhagavathi_harihara n> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Interplay of houses in astrology> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:07 AM

> Dear Renuji,> > Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th house. Any> life, boy or > girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H. Birth> takes place, > when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H permanently. So> this "could" > be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you check any> chart, the > dasha at the time of birth "could" be associated> with either 3rd or the > 10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon lagna. I> hope I have > clarified your doubt> > Please also note the word "could", this is my own> research, still in > its infancy. > > Regards,> bhagavathi> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

March 2, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,//But whenever a miscarriage is to appear, or

abortion, then the 4th becomes stronger and overtakes the 5th. At

time of delivery , the 3rd becomes stronger and breaks the strength of

the 4th, to allow the 5th to gain, as the 3rd is the 11th from the 5th.//

Thank you for the good explanation. This is indeed a beautiful cycle. We are trying to explain astrologically what I read in my studies in embryology. This cycle happens in our body with the release of different hormones/enzymes at the precise moments. When the child is mature for delivery, a particular hormone is released in the blood and body is ready for parturition. Once parturition happens, another hormone is released and the milk flow starts. The flow never starts before the birth of the child. why? This hormonal cycle is absolutely amazing.

In the same way I guess the house-to-house functions are executed. Which house gets activated at which instance is what matters. If I may add, once the child is out, the 4H gets activated again for lactation and nourishment of the child. If this does not happen due to some malefic combination, the child may not be fed.

Thanks and regardsNeelam2009/3/2 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Dear Neelamji,

Now this is just for you, specially, since you have the ability to understand this.

Using principles of Bhavat Bhavam -

The 3rd from the 3rd house is the 5th, which signifies Poorva-Punya, male child, and the pace of actions.

The 9th from the 9th is the 5th House. The 9th indicates Dharma, while the 5th signifies " children " . hence creating progeny is in itself the highest form of Dharma.

Moon we say is emotions, and Moon we say is also Water and liquid like Milks. When we see a emotional scene in a movie tears start forming in our eyes due to emotions. Same way when the affections are aroused in a cow or mother Milk starts flowing from the breast/udders for the child/calf. This is the example of co-relations of Planets and their significations.

The 5th certainly shows child. But whenever a miscarriage is to appear, or abortion, then the 4th becomes stronger and overtakes the 5th. At time of delivery , the 3rd becomes stronger and breaks the strength of the 4th, to allow the 5th to gain, as the 3rd is the 11th from the 5th. ( Just re-read this beautiful Circle of action. You will not find this written in any book ).

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,

> > // the womb is an organ and > morphologically it is signified by the> 7/8 houses //> > You are the only person who has got it right uptil now.> > thanks.> > ( I was just playing with these astrologers (??) )

> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > , neelam gupta> neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >> > Dear All,> >> > Though we may not find classical sanction for every issue. But> classical> > texts have given us enough guidance, and we are free to derive our

> logical> > conclusions.> >> > We may try to see this issue in two ways:> >> > *From the point of view of the child,* he comes from the womb. 4H is> his> > abode before taking birth in the 5H. It is the karma and action of the

> 7H of> > the native and its result is indicated in the 5H (11H from 7th and 2nd> from> > 4th). This is the 12H of the child were his cycle starts and gets> completed.> > So womb as seen from child's angle can be 4H and the pregnancy and

> birth is> > seen in the 5H.> >> > *From the point of view of the native,* the womb is an organ and> > morphologically it is signified by the 7/8 houses. The birth of a> child can

> > also be seen from these houses, but the final outcome is in 11th from> this,> > i.e 5H. In this connection we may notice why saptamsha is used to find> all> > about children.

> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >>

March 2, 2009

Dear Neelma ji,

// If I may add, once the child is out, the 4H gets activated again for lactation and nourishment of the child.//

Absolute truth. The 3rd house of self efforts, courage - so much courage is spent at time of delivery in exertion and forcing the child out from the body, that the mothe ris extremely exhausted by the end of it, and the 3rd house work is finished for the event,once the baby is born . The 4th takes over now.

This lactation and flowing is now supported by the 4th house, and natural sign Cancer in the kalapurusha chart, which also represents the breast portion of the mother, as also Moon the karaka for Mother and affections ( Jal tatva, matraprem, Vakshasthala, Sneha, Rasa, Doodh )

Note - ( Excerpt from Fundamental Principles of Astrologyby KrishnaMurthy Page 249 )

"Moon governs the stomache and breasts of ladies. Good digestion or otherwise, beauty of the breasts, and her ability to feed her own child with breast milk or not, depend on the aspects which moon receives."

Same Book Pg 104 on Zodiac Sign Cancer-

"Cancer rules the chest and stomach."

regards/Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > //But whenever a miscarriage is to appear, or abortion, then the 4th becomes> stronger and overtakes the 5th. At time of delivery , the 3rd becomes> stronger and breaks the strength of the 4th, to allow the 5th to gain, as> the 3rd is the 11th from the 5th.//> > Thank you for the good explanation. This is indeed a beautiful cycle. We are> trying to explain astrologically what I read in my studies in embryology.> This cycle happens in our body with the release of different> hormones/enzymes at the precise moments. When the child is mature for> delivery, a particular hormone is released in the blood and body is ready> for parturition. Once parturition happens, another hormone is released and> the milk flow starts. The flow never starts before the birth of the child.> why? This hormonal cycle is absolutely amazing.> > In the same way I guess the house-to-house functions are executed. Which> house gets activated at which instance is what matters. If I may add, once> the child is out, the 4H gets activated again for lactation and nourishment> of the child. If this does not happen due to some malefic combination, the> child may not be fed.> > Thanks and regards> Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/3/2 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Dear Neelamji,> >> > Now this is just for you, specially, since you have the ability to> > understand this.> >> > *Using principles of Bhavat Bhavam -*> >> > The 3rd from the 3rd house is the 5th, which signifies Poorva-Punya, male> > child, and the pace of actions.> >> > The 9th from the 9th is the 5th House. The 9th indicates Dharma, while the> > 5th signifies "children". hence creating progeny is in itself the highest> > form of Dharma.> >> > Moon we say is emotions, and Moon we say is also Water and liquid like> > Milks. When we see a emotional scene in a movie tears start forming in our> > eyes due to emotions. Same way when the affections are aroused in a cow or> > mother Milk starts flowing from the breast/udders for the child/calf. This> > is the example of co-relations of Planets and their significations.> >> > The 5th certainly shows child. But whenever a miscarriage is to appear, or> > abortion, then the 4th becomes stronger and overtakes the 5th. At time of> > delivery , the 3rd becomes stronger and breaks the strength of the 4th, to> > allow the 5th to gain, as the 3rd is the 11th from the 5th. ( Just re-read> > this beautiful Circle of action. You will not find this written in any book> > ).> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Neelamji,> > >> > > // the womb is an organ and > morphologically it is signified by the> > > 7/8 houses //> > >> > > You are the only person who has got it right uptil now.> > >> > > thanks.> > >> > > ( I was just playing with these astrologers (??) )> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , neelam gupta> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Though we may not find classical sanction for every issue. But> > > classical> > > > texts have given us enough guidance, and we are free to derive our> > > logical> > > > conclusions.> > > >> > > > We may try to see this issue in two ways:> > > >> > > > *From the point of view of the child,* he comes from the womb. 4H is> > > his> > > > abode before taking birth in the 5H. It is the karma and action of the> > > 7H of> > > > the native and its result is indicated in the 5H (11H from 7th and 2nd> > > from> > > > 4th). This is the 12H of the child were his cycle starts and gets> > > completed.> > > > So womb as seen from child's angle can be 4H and the pregnancy and> > > birth is> > > > seen in the 5H.> > > >> > > > *From the point of view of the native,* the womb is an organ and> > > > morphologically it is signified by the 7/8 houses. The birth of a> > > child can> > > > also be seen from these houses, but the final outcome is in 11th from> > > this,> > > > i.e 5H. In this connection we may notice why saptamsha is used to find> > > all> > > > about children.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> > > >>

March 2, 2009

Dear Gopuji,

// In natural zodiac 4 th house cancer becomes the cosmic womb

whereinthe fertilised ovum gets implanted. for the fertilised ovum to

grow the 5th house represented by the Sun gives the warmth and

nourishment to grow. //

Beautiful explanation.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, K Gopu <kgopu_24

wrote:

>

> dear Neelamji,

> Ur explanation is quite good. After reading it I thought i can share

> my observation.

> In natural zodiac 4 th house cancer becomes the cosmic womb wherein

> the fertilised ovum gets implanted. for the fertilised ovum to grow

the 5th house

> represented by the Sun gives the warmth and nourishment to grow.

> It is observed in nature that without sunlight nothing grows or at

least artificial

> sunlight ( this explains the test tube baby or IVF specialists try to

fertilise the

> ovum in a petri dish and keeping it alive to begrown and then implant

the same in the

> uterus at the right moment) has to be created for the growth of the

plants.

> So ur explanation fits into the above.

>

> thanks,

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> neelam gupta neelamgupta07

> Re: Re: Interplay of houses in

astrology

>

> Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:26 PM

Dear Kursija ji,

>

> //...9thH is the womb, because the father is the cause of male/female

child. //

> Could you please elaborate on that. I am sorry I did't get that logic.

How does a native's father become responsible for her womb just because

he is the cause of male/female child?

>

> //According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.//

> 4H and cancer is the cosmic womb. This is the hiranyagarbha and the

receptacle for all manifestations. This is the house where seed of

creativity is sown to germinate and be visible in the 5H.

> A child is the utmost form of creativity and I think seed gets sown in

4H. This house is also the house of motherhood, nurturing, nourishment

and connects us with nadir. It represents all that is lies inside the

earth. For other morphological considerations, uterus as such is in

libra and 7H.

>

> Hope to have more views on this.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/3/2 S.C. Kursija sckursija >