Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dear Mehta ji //Dictionary of Significators in Astrology mentions Moon, Cancer, 4th house, Scorpio and Venus as significators of wombs.// Thank you Mehta ji for confirming. This makes perfect sense both for womb as a place to create a life (moon, cancer & 4H) and womb as an organ in the body (scorpio and venus). RegardsNeelam2009/3/2 Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik Dictionary of Significators in Astrology mentions Moon, Cancer, 4th house, Scorpio and Venus as significators of wombs.Hasmukhrai J Mehta --- On Mon, 2/3/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Interplay of houses in astrology Date: Monday, 2 March, 2009, 12:26 PM Dear Kursija ji,//...9thH is the womb, because the father is the cause of male/female child. //Could you please elaborate on that. I am sorry I did't get that logic. How does a native's father become responsible for her womb just because he is the cause of male/female child? //According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.//4H and cancer is the cosmic womb. This is the hiranyagarbha and the receptacle for all manifestations. This is the house where seed of creativity is sown to germinate and be visible in the 5H. A child is the utmost form of creativity and I think seed gets sown in 4H. This house is also the house of motherhood, nurturing, nourishment and connects us with nadir. It represents all that is lies inside the earth. For other morphological considerations, uterus as such is in libra and 7H. Hope to have more views on this.RegardsNeelam 2009/3/2 S.C. Kursija <sckursija > Respected Sh Bhagavathi ji,I agree with you that 9thH is the womb, because the father is the cause of male/female child. The 5th house is womb being 9th from 9th. According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.The dasha of 10thL or planets is 10th or navamshesh of 10th lord i.e. 2nd to 9th, adds to the family of father, and dasha of 3rd lord is 7th from father. 3rd means planets in 3rd, navamshesh of 3rd lord, depositor of 3rd lord and nakshtra lord of 3rd lord can be added.So all the factors influencing the 10th and 3rd house and their lords can be the cause of birth of the child. I have not examined the influence of D/7. The sign in the lagna play a part to take 9th or 5th house for prediction of child.I take odd sign in lagna for anti-clock wise direction and even sign for clock wise direction in North Indian chart. It give good results. I shall be glad if other members share their views.With warm regards.--- On Mon, 3/2/09, bhagavathi_harihara n <bhagavathi_harihara n wrote:> bhagavathi_harihara n <bhagavathi_harihara n > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Interplay of houses in astrology> ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:07 AM > Dear Renuji,> > Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th house. Any> life, boy or > girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H. Birth> takes place, > when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H permanently. So > this " could " > be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you check any> chart, the > dasha at the time of birth " could " be associated> with either 3rd or the > 10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon lagna. I > hope I have > clarified your doubt> > Please also note the word " could " , this is my own> research, still in > its infancy. > > Regards,> bhagavathi > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Dear friend Bhaskar, You are quite intelligent and you want to befool others and argue for the sake of argument. You know that the child is seen from 5th 7th and 9th. The 9th is 5th from 5th. The tumours and removal of Uterus is seen from 7th, 7th lord and Libra sign. The facts have taught me the same. These are my views. If these obsevation fits in your cases I am glad. If does not fits rejects them. There is no question of personal comments. With regards--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Interplay of houses in astrology Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 2:29 PM Dear Kursijaji, The Classics were made at times when vehicles or means of travel , meant Bullock carts, or Chariots or Horses. In days of specialisation today, when we have a specialist for evey ailment of the body, the equations have changed, though the basics remain quite the same in essence. I would rather have you point out which classic tells us that the womb is to be seen from the 9th House in a Horoscope ? Kursija ji, we need originality here. Most of the times your entry in the threads only create diversions and no contribution, and rather to create more differences between members. I have never found any creative subject being shared by you till date, though you claim to be a Teacher ( Medical Astrology ??) in Delhi. What have you taught us students in this Group ? In the meanwhile please answer, which classic says that the 9th is the womb in a mother ??? Bhaskar. , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> > My dear friend Bhaskar,> I have clearly said the 5th and 9th hose are interrelated as 5th from 5th is 9th and 9th from 9th is 5th house.The house of stomach is 5th house not 4th house. All the classics say the same for example See Phaladeepika chapter 14 shloka 10h.> I shall be glad if some classics may be mentioned to support for womb as 4th. It can be 12th to 5th.> > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Interplay of houses in astrology> > > > Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:08 PM> > Dear Kursija ji and all,> > > > At the most the point of discussion for which house> > represents the> > womb/stomach, can be the 4th or 5th, or extended to the 7th> > and the 8th.> > > > The 9th being " womb" is absurd to say the least> > .> > > > If we say that the 5th house stands for "> > stomach" and not the 4th, > > then the 9th house stands for The thighs in general> > astrology. How can> > it be termed as the "womb" house " ?> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "S.C.> > Kursija"> > sckursija@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Respected Sh Bhagavathi ji,> > > I agree with you that 9thH is the womb, because the> > father is the> > cause of male/female child. The 5th house is womb being 9th> > from 9th.> > According to my observation 4th house can never be womb.The> > dasha of> > 10thL or planets is 10th or navamshesh of 10th lord i.e.> > 2nd to 9th,> > adds to the family of father, and dasha of 3rd lord is 7th> > from father.> > 3rd means planets in 3rd, navamshesh of 3rd lord, depositor> > of 3rd lord> > and nakshtra lord of 3rd lord can be added.So all the> > factors> > influencing the 10th and 3rd house and their lords can be> > the cause of> > birth of the child. I have not examined the influence of> > D/7. The sign> > in the lagna play a part to take 9th or 5th house for> > prediction of> > child.I take odd sign in lagna for anti-clock wise> > direction and even> > sign for clock wise direction in North Indian chart. It> > give good> > results.> > > I shall be glad if other members share their views.> > > With warm regards.> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, bhagavathi_hariharan> > bhagavathi_hariharan@> > wrote:> > >> > > > bhagavathi_hariharan> > bhagavathi_hariharan@> > > > Re: Interplay> > of houses in> > astrology> > > > > > > > Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:07 AM> > > > Dear Renuji,> > > >> > > > Garbha of the mother or any woman is the 9th> > house. Any> > > > life, boy or> > > > girl is nourished in the garbha which is the 9H.> > Birth> > > > takes place,> > > > when the life leaves the garbha or the 9H> > permanently. So> > > > this "could"> > > > be denoted by maraka to 9H which are 3/10. If you> > check any> > > > chart, the> > > > dasha at the time of birth "could" be> > associated> > > > with either 3rd or the> > > > 10th house. You can check this from Asc or Moon> > lagna. I> > > > hope I have> > > > clarified your doubt> > > >> > > > Please also note the word "could", this> > is my own> > > > research, still in> > > > its infancy.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > bhagavathi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ---> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Dear Shri Kursija ji, This was started by You. We astrologers ( Like Myself ) are like GP's ( general Practioners). For us womb and stomach means same thing in the context we were talking about, an area beginning little below the chest and behind and above the navel. You argued about it as being 4th or 5th House ? ( I had said 4th house as looked for Womb, which was proved right finally through Shri Hasmukhraijis note and also my two references from the Great Master KrishnaMurthyji 's book for stomcahe being ruled by the 4th house in the Natural Zodiac).A medical astrologer would have been more apt for you to argue with. Anyways then you jumped to the 9th as being womb. Now You are talking of 5th and 7th. I am utterly confused with what you have been trying to say uptil now. I apologise for any personal comments which may have hurt You, though it was unintentional. regards/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, //We astrologers ( Like Myself ) are like GP's ( general Practioners). For us womb and stomach means same thing in the context we were talking about, an area beginning little below the chest and behind and above the navel.// Little off astrology. As a person associated in medical field for several years, I can tell you, the uterus is a muscular organ, it is located in the pelvic area, between the bladder and the rectum. So it is " hidden " . I dissected more than 1000 mice and guinea pigs to study the progression of a disease in the uterine cavity, hence I know this for certain Since you are well-versed in all systems of astrology, maybe you can answer my question, I went through an old book by western astrologer, I think from 18th century, William Lily. He has given that 4H is seen for father, there is no mention for mother in the book. I do not know why. He was supposed to be one of the best astrologers in the world Regards, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Namaste Bhaskar ji For what it is worth I agree with you that initial interest would be from 8th Hse whilst study would be from 9th Hse …… Best wishes …. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 02 March 2009 04:27 Subject: Re: Interplay of houses in astrology Those who claim to have learnt astrology, when their 8th house was running, please give me your birth particulars, so that I can verify this as a study. Because one may get interest of Occult in the 8th Dasha Lord, but to study ( Continously ), at a stretch and gain success here, thats not possible. regards/Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Bhagvathi ji, > > The 4th is commonly known as the womb ( Stomach ), and when we talk of > child birth and say it as stomache of mother, we mean it as womb . > > I do not have any inkling as to how the 9th can be taken as the > " Garbha " . I have heard this for the first time. > > When I was talking of useless theories, I was not talking about what the > Rishi Munis have written, but was speaking about what we ordinary > mortals discuss, for instance the thread on " In which dasha I learnt > astrology " . > > yes I saw Your chart, You said that you learnt Astrology in the > Dasha/antar of the 8th Lord, but You forget to mention, that your 8th > Lord is also the 9th Lord in your Birth chart, > > regards/Bhaskar. , " bhagavathi_hariharan " > bhagavathi_hariharan@ wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > // Because the 4th house is the stomach of the mother, > > and the 3rd house is the 12th to the 3rd, therefore for the child to > > come out of the womb, the 3rd has to be activated .// > > > > Why do you choose the 4th house as stomach of mother. I always > > thought that 5th house is for stomach. The womb or the " garbha " is > > represented by the 9th house. The child comes out of the womb, not > > out of the stomach. I had done lot of research on this, when I was > > trying to predict the date, my sis-in-law would deliver. I had > > predicted Jan19, 2009, the boy was born on Jan 17. It was my first > > try to predict such an event (I am not a professional astrologer), > > honestly speaking I had spent several days to work on this. > > > > While researching on this I found out something else- the running > > dasha at the time of birth for anyone could be associated with either > > of the 3rd or the 10th houses, checked from either the Asc or the > > moon. I think this is because all of us leave the 9th house of garbha > > permanently. > > > > //one must study and study ( Read and Read Chart analysis ),as much > > as one can, in order to grasp the finer details, to become wiser, and > > not waste time in useless theories which do not lead one to > > predictive.// > > > > True- We need to analyze as much we can. Not true- no theory is or > > can be useless. Theories written by rishis have hidden meanings, but > > they are definitely not meaningless. > > > > Regards, > > > > bhagavathi > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1982 - Release 03/03/09 16:09:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Dear Bhagvathiji, William Lilly was from the 16th Century. Lilly has said that the 4th house is to be seen for matters related to Father, but also mentioned at other place, that the 4th house is to be seen for details related to both parents. If we search further in his books we may find the answers we are looking for. I would not be interested in reading his books, though I posees the same. ( Already have many to read in line but not finding time ) You will be surprised to know that he believed in Rahu Ketu as Dragons Head and Tail, and believed in their effects. regards, Bhaskar. , " bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > //We astrologers ( Like Myself ) are like GP's ( general Practioners). > For us womb and stomach means same thing in the context we were > talking about, an area beginning little below the chest and behind and > above the navel.// > > > Little off astrology. As a person associated in medical field for > several years, I can tell you, the uterus is a muscular organ, it is > located in the pelvic area, between the bladder and the rectum. So it > is " hidden " . I dissected more than 1000 mice and guinea pigs to study > the progression of a disease in the uterine cavity, hence I know this > for certain > > Since you are well-versed in all systems of astrology, maybe you can > answer my question, I went through an old book by western astrologer, > I think from 18th century, William Lily. He has given that 4H is seen > for father, there is no mention for mother in the book. I do not know > why. He was supposed to be one of the best astrologers in the world > > Regards, > bhagavathi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, Thank you for this message. I was sure you could be able to answer my question. Yes, i agree about the Rahu/Ketu also. Thanks and Regards, bhagavathi , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Bhagvathiji, > > William Lilly was from the 16th Century. > > Lilly has said that the 4th house is to be seen for matters related to > Father, but also mentioned at other place, that the 4th house is to be > seen for details related to both parents. > > If we search further in his books we may find the answers we are looking > for. > > I would not be interested in reading his books, though I posees the > same. ( Already have many to read in line but not finding time ) > > You will be surprised to know that he believed in Rahu Ketu as Dragons > Head and Tail, and believed in their effects. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " bhagavathi_hariharan " > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > //We astrologers ( Like Myself ) are like GP's ( general Practioners). > > For us womb and stomach means same thing in the context we were > > talking about, an area beginning little below the chest and behind and > > above the navel.// > > > > > > Little off astrology. As a person associated in medical field for > > several years, I can tell you, the uterus is a muscular organ, it is > > located in the pelvic area, between the bladder and the rectum. So it > > is " hidden " . I dissected more than 1000 mice and guinea pigs to study > > the progression of a disease in the uterine cavity, hence I know this > > for certain > > > > Since you are well-versed in all systems of astrology, maybe you can > > answer my question, I went through an old book by western astrologer, > > I think from 18th century, William Lily. He has given that 4H is seen > > for father, there is no mention for mother in the book. I do not know > > why. He was supposed to be one of the best astrologers in the world > > > > Regards, > > bhagavathi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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