Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 This makes me feel, BTW, that there is a need for a write up on the purpose and relevance of astrology, what is it for, who is it for. It is also good if that can be a part of the files or an intro-note for those who want to join the group. While I can volunteer to begin, it is good if someone well versed with the subject does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji,While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you suggest and it may help some people who are sincere in their approach. They might sincerely try and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a person only enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance will not bother to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty mail to me now after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable time on such people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For all we know, their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and abuse them. RegardsNeelam2009/2/26 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj This makes me feel, BTW, that there is a need for a write up on the purpose and relevance of astrology, what is it for, who is it for. It is also good if that can be a part of the files or an intro-note for those who want to join the group. While I can volunteer to begin, it is good if someone well versed with the subject does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna||Dear Shankaraji,Let me put my few "penny"..... Uses or Need for Astrology:-1)Makes us aware of the favourable & unfavourable periods ahead, so that we may take precautions & will try to avert any unfavourable incidents, if possible through prayers & remedies.2)Forewarns of any health issues, financial problems, marital discords or worries in career/profession/business.3)Helps in ascertaining/selecting an auspicious time for starting any auspicious event for its longevity/sustenance, or selecting an auspicious "Muhurth".4)Finally, helps the government/ruling authority to have some forewarning of any auspicious/inauspicious event that may take place, like wars, diseases, any natural hazards/calamities, which might affect the nation/region/state & Govt. may run in loss through lives, money etc. ["Mundane Astrology"--the other name for it]5)By informing about the positive aspects /times ahead, so that we can be focused to that direction & prosper from that directive.Any inputs/comments/suggestions will be welcome....Thank you,Gaurav. , ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:>> This makes me feel, BTW, that there is a need for a write up on the purpose and relevance of astrology, what is it for, who is it for. It is also good if that can be a part of the files or an intro-note for those who want to join the group. While I can volunteer to begin, it is good if someone well versed with the subject does it.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,My intention in changing the title of the thread was to deal with it separately, not really as a fallout of that thread. Let me for now think of the sincere cases only Shankarneelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:47:58 PMRe: how about a writeup? Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji,While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you suggest and it may help some people who are sincere in their approach. They might sincerely try and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a person only enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance will not bother to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty mail to me now after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable time on such people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For all we know, their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and abuse them. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Shankar ji,You are most welcome to compile the write up and I am sure members will be happy provide their input.Gaurav ji has already sent his 'penny'. Here's my 'paisa', if I may, Astrology is the only study which can make us understand the past and reveal the future, thereby enabling us to make the best use of our present. This judgement can help us in various ways as given by Gaurav ji and we can find innumerable uses of it in our day-to-day life. But more importantly, astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma and allows us to understand the cycle of life with ACCEPTANCE, and urges us to improve our karmas and become better human beings. To whatever is inevitable, it lends a cooperative hand. Whatever is to be, it does not madly struggle against. Whatever is not to be, it does not absolutely demand. Please feel free to take it or leave it.RegardsNeelam2009/2/26 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj Dear Neelam ji,My intention in changing the title of the thread was to deal with it separately, not really as a fallout of that thread. Let me for now think of the sincere cases only Shankar neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:47:58 PMRe: how about a writeup? Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji,While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you suggest and it may help some people who are sincere in their approach. They might sincerely try and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a person only enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance will not bother to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty mail to me now after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable time on such people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For all we know, their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and abuse them. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Neealm ji,==>> astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma<== I disagree with this statement and think that Karma theory was not originally part of indian astrological philosophy. Any way, that is another issue. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Shankar ji,> > You are most welcome to compile the write up and I am sure members will be> happy provide their input.> Gaurav ji has already sent his 'penny'.> > Here's my 'paisa', if I may,> > Astrology is the only study which can make us understand the past and reveal> the future, thereby enabling us to make the best use of our present. This> judgement can help us in various ways as given by Gaurav ji and we can find> innumerable uses of it in our day-to-day life.> > But more importantly,* astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma and allows> us to understand the cycle of life with ACCEPTANCE, and urges us to improve> our karmas and become better human beings. To whatever is inevitable, it> lends a cooperative hand. Whatever is to be, it does not madly struggle> against. Whatever is not to be, it does not absolutely demand.> *> Please feel free to take it or leave it.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/2/26 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli shankarabharadwaj > > Dear Neelam ji,> >> > My intention in changing the title of the thread was to deal with it> > separately, not really as a fallout of that thread. Let me for now think of> > the sincere cases only > >> > Shankar> >> >> > ------------------------------> > ** neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > *To:* > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:47:58 PM> > *Subject:* Re: how about a writeup?> >> > Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji,> >> > While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you suggest and it may> > help some people who are sincere in their approach. They might sincerely try> > and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a person only> > enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance will not bother> > to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty mail to me now> > after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable time on such> > people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For all we know,> > their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and abuse them.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji,If you disagree with the statement as such, it is a different matter. But where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy? I thought astrology was one of the Vedangas and one studied it after being well versed in Vedas and such subjects as Theory of Karma. How can we delink astrology from ancient thoughts and philosophy? RegardsNeelam2009/2/26 Sreenadh <sreesog Dear Neealm ji,==>> astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma<== I disagree with this statement and think that Karma theory was not originally part of indian astrological philosophy. Any way, that is another issue. Love and regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear Shankar ji,> > You are most welcome to compile the write up and I am sure members will be> happy provide their input.> Gaurav ji has already sent his 'penny'.> > Here's my 'paisa', if I may,> > Astrology is the only study which can make us understand the past and reveal> the future, thereby enabling us to make the best use of our present. This > judgement can help us in various ways as given by Gaurav ji and we can find> innumerable uses of it in our day-to-day life.> > But more importantly,* astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma and allows > us to understand the cycle of life with ACCEPTANCE, and urges us to improve> our karmas and become better human beings. To whatever is inevitable, it> lends a cooperative hand. Whatever is to be, it does not madly struggle > against. Whatever is not to be, it does not absolutely demand.> *> Please feel free to take it or leave it.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/2/26 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli shankarabharadwaj > > > Dear Neelam ji,> >> > My intention in changing the title of the thread was to deal with it> > separately, not really as a fallout of that thread. Let me for now think of > > the sincere cases only > >> > Shankar> >> >> > ------------------------------> > ** neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > *To:* > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:47:58 PM> > *Subject:* Re: how about a writeup?> >> > Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji,> >> > While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you suggest and it may > > help some people who are sincere in their approach. They might sincerely try> > and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a person only> > enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance will not bother > > to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty mail to me now> > after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable time on such> > people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For all we know, > > their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and abuse them.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear all, My " 1 Rupee " too. Okay suppose we got a good write up, which we expect people to read and understand, and follow, but how many read ? All they are interested in most of the groups is to send their query and look eagerly for a reply . They dont even bother to send feedback after receiving replies most of the times, and dont bother to check how to get out of the group which they want to, once their reply is received. Then they send mails saying that " we are reciving many mails in our Inbox. Stop sending mails " and all this. Another important point is handling bad people from our own community - Last week I suffered at the hands of one of the Group Moderators for this same reason. One chap whom I denied replying continously on his chart, he got annoyed with my informing otherastrologers that I have given a reply to this native. Then this Group Moderator instigated this boy who was a Non -Hindu and he send me many terrorist mails, saying that myself and my family would be killed etc.etc. The group Moderator also instigated the boy to terrorise me with a law suit. When I collected enough evidence to nail him ( The boy )down for life, I got his feedback on phone that he was instigated by ....... How are we going to stop such evil elements in our own fold ? Therefore this depends from individual to indivdual. A person with some respect, a culture, and a good family background will feel ashamed like this boy did , and finally called me and apologised. But others may not realise , as I know one person too many, who are not full of gratitude even after having received enough replies from me, yet have on denying further service, have stooped to the levels of abusing me and using very much unhearable language in their mails to me. Most of these then come back to say " Sorry " but the milk is already spilt by then. Therefore a write-up and all is good, but there may not be many takers for the same. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, The statement that - " (Nirayana) Astrology is a vedanga" it self must be of later origin, since we don't find much Nirayana astrology in Vedas but only Sayana astrology. Of course it would be true to say that Sayana (Tropical) astrology is a Vedanga; but that statement may not be true about Nirayana astrology. I believe that Nirayana astrology is of Non-Vedic/Tantric/Agama origin. ==>> But where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy? <== It could be stated that - it is in Tantra. But even that statement would only be partially true, since astrology in itself was a religion and a philosophical system. The statement I would prefer better is - "The origin of astrological philosophy is in astrology itself!". Astrology was more than a predictive system, it was in itself a complete philosophy, it was in itself almost a religion - even though the whole system is in tune with Agama (Tantric/Non-vedic) tradition, and astrology in itself was called "Agama Sastra" (A tantric branch of knowledge).==>> How can we delink astrology from ancient thoughts and philosophy?<== It is not about any delinking, it is just aboout understanding where we stand (as the followers of Nirayana astrology) and it all originated.Love and Regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > If you disagree with the statement as such, it is a different matter. But> where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy? I thought astrology> was one of the Vedangas and one studied it after being well versed in Vedas> and such subjects as Theory of Karma. How can we delink astrology from> ancient thoughts and philosophy?> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/2/26 Sreenadh sreesog > > Dear Neealm ji,> > ==>> >> > *> astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma*> > <==> > I disagree with this statement and think that Karma theory was not> > originally part of indian astrological philosophy. Any way, that is another> > issue. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shankar ji,> > >> > > You are most welcome to compile the write up and I am sure members will> > be> > > happy provide their input.> > > Gaurav ji has already sent his 'penny'.> > >> > > Here's my 'paisa', if I may,> > >> > > Astrology is the only study which can make us understand the past and> > reveal> > > the future, thereby enabling us to make the best use of our present. This> > > judgement can help us in various ways as given by Gaurav ji and we can> > find> > > innumerable uses of it in our day-to-day life.> > >> > > But more importantly,* astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma and> > allows> > > us to understand the cycle of life with ACCEPTANCE, and urges us to> > improve> > > our karmas and become better human beings. To whatever is inevitable, it> > > lends a cooperative hand. Whatever is to be, it does not madly struggle> > > against. Whatever is not to be, it does not absolutely demand.> > > *> > > Please feel free to take it or leave it.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/2/26 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli shankarabharadwaj@> > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > >> > > > My intention in changing the title of the thread was to deal with it> > > > separately, not really as a fallout of that thread. Let me for now> > think of> > > > the sincere cases only > > > >> > > > Shankar> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > ** neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > *To:* > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:47:58 PM> > > > *Subject:* Re: how about a writeup?> > > >> > > > Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji,> > > >> > > > While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you suggest and it> > may> > > > help some people who are sincere in their approach. They might> > sincerely try> > > > and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a person only> > > > enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance will not> > bother> > > > to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty mail to me> > now> > > > after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable time on> > such> > > > people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For all we> > know,> > > > their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and abuse them.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji,Even if Nirayana Astrology may not be vedanga, and whatever may be the tradition, I am not an expert to debate on that and accept what you say.But that does not deny the fact that astrology demonstrates Theory of Karma? Throughout the classical texts, we find evidence of this. RegardsNeelam2009/2/26 Sreenadh <sreesog Dear Neelam ji, The statement that - " (Nirayana) Astrology is a vedanga " it self must be of later origin, since we don't find much Nirayana astrology in Vedas but only Sayana astrology. Of course it would be true to say that Sayana (Tropical) astrology is a Vedanga; but that statement may not be true about Nirayana astrology. I believe that Nirayana astrology is of Non-Vedic/Tantric/Agama origin. ==>> But where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy? <== It could be stated that - it is in Tantra. But even that statement would only be partially true, since astrology in itself was a religion and a philosophical system. The statement I would prefer better is - " The origin of astrological philosophy is in astrology itself! " . Astrology was more than a predictive system, it was in itself a complete philosophy, it was in itself almost a religion - even though the whole system is in tune with Agama (Tantric/Non-vedic) tradition, and astrology in itself was called " Agama Sastra " (A tantric branch of knowledge). ==>> How can we delink astrology from ancient thoughts and philosophy?<== It is not about any delinking, it is just aboout understanding where we stand (as the followers of Nirayana astrology) and it all originated. Love and Regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > If you disagree with the statement as such, it is a different matter. But> where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy? I thought astrology > was one of the Vedangas and one studied it after being well versed in Vedas> and such subjects as Theory of Karma. How can we delink astrology from> ancient thoughts and philosophy?> > Regards > Neelam> > > 2009/2/26 Sreenadh sreesog > > Dear Neealm ji,> > ==>> >> > *> astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma* > > <==> > I disagree with this statement and think that Karma theory was not> > originally part of indian astrological philosophy. Any way, that is another> > issue. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh> >> > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > >> > > Dear Shankar ji,> > >> > > You are most welcome to compile the write up and I am sure members will> > be> > > happy provide their input. > > > Gaurav ji has already sent his 'penny'.> > >> > > Here's my 'paisa', if I may,> > >> > > Astrology is the only study which can make us understand the past and > > reveal> > > the future, thereby enabling us to make the best use of our present. This> > > judgement can help us in various ways as given by Gaurav ji and we can> > find> > > innumerable uses of it in our day-to-day life. > > >> > > But more importantly,* astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma and> > allows> > > us to understand the cycle of life with ACCEPTANCE, and urges us to> > improve > > > our karmas and become better human beings. To whatever is inevitable, it> > > lends a cooperative hand. Whatever is to be, it does not madly struggle> > > against. Whatever is not to be, it does not absolutely demand. > > > *> > > Please feel free to take it or leave it.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/2/26 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli shankarabharadwaj@ > > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > >> > > > My intention in changing the title of the thread was to deal with it> > > > separately, not really as a fallout of that thread. Let me for now > > think of> > > > the sincere cases only > > > >> > > > Shankar> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > > > ** neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > *To:* > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:47:58 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: how about a writeup?> > > >> > > > Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji,> > > >> > > > While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you suggest and it > > may> > > > help some people who are sincere in their approach. They might> > sincerely try> > > > and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a person only > > > > enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance will not> > bother> > > > to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty mail to me> > now > > > > after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable time on> > such> > > > people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For all we> > know,> > > > their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and abuse them. > > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear all, Jyotish is an anga of " Veda " that is without doubt. As to Sayana or Nirayana , this does not matter, because the Sayana of today, was the Nirayan in the ancient times. Just as Ghati pala was the measure in those times, while we use the watch and minutes in same to check time measure now. It amounts to the same thing. I was studying in a Roman Catholic School in childhood, and was adviced that I must avoid two topics if I did not wish to create differences with my circle of friends. They were " religion " and " politics " . i was a good boy in those days, but as I grew up I fell in many bad books due to my talking on these two topics, so learnt a lesson now, that I must hit if I have to, with a sweet Knife. " Meethi Churi " . The same goes when we discuss much about such topics, as of antecedents of certain astrological nuances, as above, and ayanamsha, and the date of Origins etc. these do bound to create differences between otherwise goood members with good friendship and rapport with each other. The above were my individual views. best wishes, Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > Even if Nirayana Astrology may not be vedanga, and whatever may be the > tradition, I am not an expert to debate on that and accept what you say. > But that does not deny the fact that astrology demonstrates Theory of Karma? > Throughout the classical texts, we find evidence of this. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/2/26 Sreenadh sreesog > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > The statement that - " (Nirayana) Astrology is a vedanga " it self must > > be of later origin, since we don't find much Nirayana astrology in Vedas but > > only Sayana astrology. Of course it would be true to say that Sayana > > (Tropical) astrology is a Vedanga; but that statement may not be true about > > Nirayana astrology. I believe that Nirayana astrology is of > > Non-Vedic/Tantric/Agama origin. > > ==> > > > But where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy? > > <== > > It could be stated that - it is in Tantra. But even that statement would > > only be partially true, since astrology in itself was a religion and a > > philosophical system. The statement I would prefer better is - " The origin > > of astrological philosophy is in astrology itself! " . Astrology was more > > than a predictive system, it was in itself a complete philosophy, it was in > > itself almost a religion - even though the whole system is in tune with > > Agama (Tantric/Non-vedic) tradition, and astrology in itself was called > > " Agama Sastra " (A tantric branch of knowledge). > > ==> > > > How can we delink astrology from ancient thoughts and philosophy? > > <== > > It is not about any delinking, it is just aboout understanding where we > > stand (as the followers of Nirayana astrology) and it all originated. > > Love and Regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > If you disagree with the statement as such, it is a different matter. But > > > where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy? I thought > > astrology > > > was one of the Vedangas and one studied it after being well versed in > > Vedas > > > and such subjects as Theory of Karma. How can we delink astrology from > > > ancient thoughts and philosophy? > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/26 Sreenadh sreesog@ > > > > > > > > > Dear Neealm ji, > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > *> astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma* > > > > <== > > > > I disagree with this statement and think that Karma theory was not > > > > originally part of indian astrological philosophy. Any way, that is > > another > > > > issue. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shankar ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are most welcome to compile the write up and I am sure members > > will > > > > be > > > > > happy provide their input. > > > > > Gaurav ji has already sent his 'penny'. > > > > > > > > > > Here's my 'paisa', if I may, > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is the only study which can make us understand the past and > > > > reveal > > > > > the future, thereby enabling us to make the best use of our present. > > This > > > > > judgement can help us in various ways as given by Gaurav ji and we > > can > > > > find > > > > > innumerable uses of it in our day-to-day life. > > > > > > > > > > But more importantly,* astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma and > > > > allows > > > > > us to understand the cycle of life with ACCEPTANCE, and urges us to > > > > improve > > > > > our karmas and become better human beings. To whatever is inevitable, > > it > > > > > lends a cooperative hand. Whatever is to be, it does not madly > > struggle > > > > > against. Whatever is not to be, it does not absolutely demand. > > > > > * > > > > > Please feel free to take it or leave it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/26 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli shankarabharadwaj@ > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > My intention in changing the title of the thread was to deal with > > it > > > > > > separately, not really as a fallout of that thread. Let me for now > > > > think of > > > > > > the sincere cases only > > > > > > > > > > > > Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > ** neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > *To:* > > > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:47:58 PM > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: how about a writeup? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you suggest and > > it > > > > may > > > > > > help some people who are sincere in their approach. They might > > > > sincerely try > > > > > > and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a person > > only > > > > > > enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance will > > not > > > > bother > > > > > > to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty mail to > > me > > > > now > > > > > > after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable time > > on > > > > such > > > > > > people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For all we > > > > know, > > > > > > their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and abuse > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, ==> Jyotish is an anga of "Veda " that is without doubt. As to Sayana or Nirayana , this does not matter, because the Sayana of today, was the Nirayan in the ancient times. Just as Ghati pala was the measure in those times, while we use the watch and minutes in same to check time measure now. It amounts to the same thing.<== That is well said! I agree. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear all,> > Jyotish is an anga of "Veda " that is without doubt. As to Sayana or> Nirayana , this does not matter, because the Sayana of today, was the> Nirayan in the ancient times. Just as Ghati pala was the measure in> those times, while we use the watch and minutes in same to check time> measure now. It amounts to the same thing.> > I was studying in a Roman Catholic School in childhood, and was adviced> that I must avoid two topics if I did not wish to create differences> with my circle of friends. They were " religion " and "> politics ". i was a good boy in those days, but as I grew up I fell in> many bad books due to my talking on these two topics, so learnt a lesson> now, that I must hit if I have to, with a sweet Knife. " Meethi Churi ".> > The same goes when we discuss much about such topics, as of antecedents> of certain astrological nuances, as above, and ayanamsha, and the date> of Origins etc. these do bound to create differences between otherwise> goood members with good friendship and rapport with each other.> > The above were my individual views.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , neelam gupta> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > Even if Nirayana Astrology may not be vedanga, and whatever may be the> > tradition, I am not an expert to debate on that and accept what you> say.> > But that does not deny the fact that astrology demonstrates Theory of> Karma?> > Throughout the classical texts, we find evidence of this.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2009/2/26 Sreenadh sreesog@> >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > The statement that - " (Nirayana) Astrology is a vedanga" it self> must> > > be of later origin, since we don't find much Nirayana astrology in> Vedas but> > > only Sayana astrology. Of course it would be true to say that Sayana> > > (Tropical) astrology is a Vedanga; but that statement may not be> true about> > > Nirayana astrology. I believe that Nirayana astrology is of> > > Non-Vedic/Tantric/Agama origin.> > > ==>> > > > But where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy?> > > <==> > > It could be stated that - it is in Tantra. But even that statement> would> > > only be partially true, since astrology in itself was a religion and> a> > > philosophical system. The statement I would prefer better is - "The> origin> > > of astrological philosophy is in astrology itself!". Astrology> was more> > > than a predictive system, it was in itself a complete philosophy, it> was in> > > itself almost a religion - even though the whole system is in tune> with> > > Agama (Tantric/Non-vedic) tradition, and astrology in itself was> called> > > "Agama Sastra" (A tantric branch of knowledge).> > > ==>> > > > How can we delink astrology from ancient thoughts and philosophy?> > > <==> > > It is not about any delinking, it is just aboout understanding where> we> > > stand (as the followers of Nirayana astrology) and it all> originated.> > > Love and Regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > , neelam gupta> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > If you disagree with the statement as such, it is a different> matter. But> > > > where is the origin of Indian Astrological Philosophy? I thought> > > astrology> > > > was one of the Vedangas and one studied it after being well versed> in> > > Vedas> > > > and such subjects as Theory of Karma. How can we delink astrology> from> > > > ancient thoughts and philosophy?> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/2/26 Sreenadh sreesog@> > >> > > >> > > > > Dear Neealm ji,> > > > > ==>> > > > >> > > > > *> astrology demonstrates the Theory of Karma*> > > > > <==> > > > > I disagree with this statement and think that Karma theory was> not> > > > > originally part of indian astrological philosophy. Any way, that> is> > > another> > > > > issue. > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , neelam gupta> > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shankar ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > You are most welcome to compile the write up and I am sure> members> > > will> > > > > be> > > > > > happy provide their input.> > > > > > Gaurav ji has already sent his 'penny'.> > > > > >> > > > > > Here's my 'paisa', if I may,> > > > > >> > > > > > Astrology is the only study which can make us understand the> past and> > > > > reveal> > > > > > the future, thereby enabling us to make the best use of our> present.> > > This> > > > > > judgement can help us in various ways as given by Gaurav ji> and we> > > can> > > > > find> > > > > > innumerable uses of it in our day-to-day life.> > > > > >> > > > > > But more importantly,* astrology demonstrates the Theory of> Karma and> > > > > allows> > > > > > us to understand the cycle of life with ACCEPTANCE, and urges> us to> > > > > improve> > > > > > our karmas and become better human beings. To whatever is> inevitable,> > > it> > > > > > lends a cooperative hand. Whatever is to be, it does not madly> > > struggle> > > > > > against. Whatever is not to be, it does not absolutely demand.> > > > > > *> > > > > > Please feel free to take it or leave it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 2009/2/26 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli shankarabharadwaj@> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My intention in changing the title of the thread was to deal> with> > > it> > > > > > > separately, not really as a fallout of that thread. Let me> for now> > > > > think of> > > > > > > the sincere cases only > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Shankar> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > ** neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > *To:* > > > > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:47:58 PM> > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: how about a> writeup?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shankar Bharadwaj ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > While it a good idea to compile such a write up as you> suggest and> > > it> > > > > may> > > > > > > help some people who are sincere in their approach. They> might> > > > > sincerely try> > > > > > > and to understand the space they are venturing in. But if a> person> > > only> > > > > > > enters with the purpose of creating nuisance and disturbance> will> > > not> > > > > bother> > > > > > > to read anything. This member has just written a very nasty> mail to> > > me> > > > > now> > > > > > > after my message to Gaurav ji. We may not waste our valuable> time> > > on> > > > > such> > > > > > > people who do not appear to be sincere in their queries. For> all we> > > > > know,> > > > > > > their purpose might only be to make fun of astrologers and> abuse> > > them.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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