Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Dear members, Was surfing through the internet when I found some interesting information, wanted to share... From here.. http://www.bharatadesam.com/spiritual/padma_purana.php DASHARATH PACIFIES SHANI Sage Narad curiously asked Lord Mahadeva as to what made Shani such a volatile planet. Lord Mahadeva replied--- Shani is extremely violent by nature and everybody is scarred of this planet. Once, the royal astrologer of Dasharath was petrified at the prospect of Shani entering the constellation of Rohini and warned him of its dire consequences. 'If the Shani is not prevented from entering Rohini, then famine would occur lasting for more than twelve years.' said the royal astrologers. Dasharath went above the sky to subdue the might of Shani well armed with divine weapons. Shani became terrified on seeing Dasharath in such a menacing mood and expressed his willingness to fulfill his desires. From here: http://www.astrojyoti.com/DasarathaShaniStotram.htm .... Last time it entered Rohini on 22nd May 2001. On the night of 1st June 2001 the entire Royal family of Nepal was wiped out. It was followed by the death of the Indian Congress minister and Raja of Gwalior Sri Madhav Rao Scindia on 30th September 2001 in a plane crash. Then came the 9-11-2001 strike by Osama Bin Laden. .... 12 years from 22-May-2001 is 22-May-2013... I was watching CNN a few days back when some market strategists said it would take time till 2013 for the world financial situation to stabilize. Any views? Regards, Souvik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from Rohini to Krittika. Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 At the time of the Mahabharata war Shani was around 180 degrees opposite to Rohini. There was establishment of Dharma through a righteous war. Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Mon, 2/23/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 7:54 PM At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved fromRohini to Krittika.Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki wrote: > > At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from > Rohini to Krittika.(Ref Bhishmaparva 2.32,Udyogparva 141.7 mention Shani near Rohini,Bhishmaparva 3.26 mentions Shani near Krittika) > Prafulla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Afflicting is not the same as staying together. Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Mon, 2/23/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:27 PM ancient_indian_ astrology, "prafulla Vaman Mendki" <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:>> At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from> Rohini to Krittika.(Ref Bhishmaparva 2.32,Udyogparva 141.7mention Shani near Rohini,Bhishmaparva 3.26 mentions Shani nearKrittika) > Prafulla> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Dear Prafulla, Vedavyasa said that Shani was afflicting Rohini. He did not say that Shani stayed in Rohini. Staying in Rohini and afflicting Rohini are not the same thing. It appears that you have not read the original Sanskrit verse yourself and you are depending on some translations, which are faulty.. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaRe: Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:43 AM Afflicting is not the same as staying together. Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Mon, 2/23/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:27 PM ancient_indian_ astrology, "prafulla Vaman Mendki" <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:>> At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from> Rohini to Krittika.(Ref Bhishmaparva 2.32,Udyogparva 141.7mention Shani near Rohini,Bhishmaparva 3.26 mentions Shani nearKrittika) > Prafulla> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 prafulla_mendki writes: I do not agree. No wonder that Govt has not been able to fix proper dates. Prafulla , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > Vedavyasa said that Shani was afflicting Rohini. He did not say that Shani stayed in Rohini. Staying in Rohini and afflicting Rohini are not the same thing. It appears that you have not read the original Sanskrit verse yourself and you are depending on some translations, which are faulty.. > > Sincerely, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya > Re: Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:43 AM > Afflicting is not the same as staying together. > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki > Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath > > Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:27 PM ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla Vaman > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote: > > > > At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from > > Rohini to Krittika.(Ref Bhishmaparva 2.32,Udyogparva 141.7 > mention Shani near Rohini,Bhishmaparva 3.26 mentions Shani near > Krittika) > > Prafulla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Prafulla, What do you mean by your Statement "No wonder that the Govt. has not been able to fix proper dates" ? As regards the position of Saturn, the sage Vedavyasa had very clearly given in the Bhishma Parva that Brihaspati and Saturn approached Visakha and remained stationary there for one whole year. (Mahabharata 6.3.6). Vedavyasa also gave that Saturn harrassed Rohini and anybody who knows even the rudimentary astrology would be able to understand that this is possible as Rohini was opposite to the position of Saturn. I know that you will not agree for obvious reason. But to many of us it is important that the truth must be told. This is also relevant to this group to show that Astrology was known in the days of Mahabharata even more than 5000 years ago. There are some astrologers like Avtar Krishen Kaul, who think that the Indians learnt astrology from the Greeks.Sincerely,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Wed, 2/25/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:00 AM prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes:I do not agree.No wonder that Govt has not been able to fix proper dates.Prafullaancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Dear Prafulla,> > Vedavyasa said that Shani was afflicting Rohini. He did not say that Shani stayed in Rohini. Staying in Rohini and afflicting Rohini are not the same thing. It appears that you have not read the original Sanskrit verse yourself and you are depending on some translations, which are faulty..> > Sincerely,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:43 AM> > > > > > > > Afflicting is not the same as staying together.> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:> > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:27 PM> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "prafulla Vaman > Mendki" <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:> >> > At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from> > Rohini to Krittika.(Ref Bhishmaparva 2.32,Udyogparva 141.7> mention Shani near Rohini,Bhishmaparva 3.26 mentions Shani near> Krittika) > > Prafulla> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Sunil I have joined this group only express my views. I have no intention of thinking from the point of view of astrology. My book is 100% astronomy (Not astrology). As our views are different ,there are differences of opinion. Bhishmaparva 3.14 also clearly says that Saturn had crossed into Rohini( " Aakramya " means in had entered in Rohini)when Venus had retrogated from UttarBhdrapada to PurvaBhadrapada. This is confirmed by me (3007BC) by calculation. Therefore it is better to stop discussing this issue about saturn in Mahabharata. Prafulla , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > What do you mean by your Statement " No wonder that the Govt. has not been able to fix proper dates " ? > > As regards the position of Saturn, the sage Vedavyasa had very clearly given in the Bhishma Parva that Brihaspati and Saturn approached Visakha and remained stationary there for one whole year. (Mahabharata 6.3.6). Vedavyasa also gave that Saturn harrassed Rohini and anybody who knows even the rudimentary astrology would be able to understand that this is possible as Rohini was opposite to the position of Saturn. > > I know that you will not agree for obvious reason. But to many of us it is important that the truth must be told. This is also relevant to this group to show that Astrology was known in the days of Mahabharata even more than 5000 years ago. There are some astrologers like Avtar Krishen Kaul, who think that the Indians learnt astrology from the Greeks. > Sincerely, > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki > Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath > > Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:00 AM prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes: > I do not agree. > No wonder that Govt has not been able to fix proper dates. > Prafulla > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > Vedavyasa said that Shani was afflicting Rohini. He did not say > that Shani stayed in Rohini. Staying in Rohini and afflicting Rohini > are not the same thing. It appears that you have not read the > original Sanskrit verse yourself and you are depending on some > translations, which are faulty.. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a > > wrote: > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani > and Raja Dasharath > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afflicting is not the same as staying together. > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> > wrote: > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani and > Raja Dasharath > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla > Vaman > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from > > > Rohini to Krittika.(Ref Bhishmaparva 2.32,Udyogparva 141.7 > > mention Shani near Rohini,Bhishmaparva 3.26 mentions Shani near > > Krittika) > > > Prafulla > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Prafulla, Vedavyasa also mentioned that Saturn was giving peedha (trouble) to Rohini. All this means his dristi was on Rohini. To attack a person you do not have to be with him. When somebody attacks you he is from outside and he is not the one is residing with you in the same house. This is how astrology looks at this aspect. The graha does not have dristi on the house where it is. Anyway thanks that you admitted that you are not concerned with astrology, even though astrology is abundantly evident in the Mahabharata. When Lord Krishna went to Hastinapur to try for a reconciliation to avert the war he left Upaplavya on the Maitri Yoga. All these indicate that the Mahabharata is full of Astrology and ignoring Astrology one can simply not be able to discover the truth in the Mahabharata. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Thu, 2/26/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:14 AM Dear SunilI have joined this group only express my views.I have no intention of thinking from the point of view of astrology.My book is 100% astronomy (Not astrology).As our views are different ,there are differences of opinion.Bhishmaparva 3.14 also clearly says that Saturn had crossed intoRohini( "Aakramya " means in had entered in Rohini)when Venushad retrogated from UttarBhdrapada to PurvaBhadrapada.This is confirmed by me (3007BC) by calculation. Therefore it is better to stop discussing this issue aboutsaturn in Mahabharata.Prafullaancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Dear Prafulla,> > What do you mean by your Statement "No wonder that the Govt. has not been able to fix proper dates" ? > > As regards the position of Saturn, the sage Vedavyasa had very clearly given in the Bhishma Parva that Brihaspati and Saturn approached Visakha and remained stationary there for one whole year. (Mahabharata 6.3.6). Vedavyasa also gave that Saturn harrassed Rohini and anybody who knows even the rudimentary astrology would be able to understand that this is possible as Rohini was opposite to the position of Saturn.> > I know that you will not agree for obvious reason. But to many of us it is important that the truth must be told. This is also relevant to this group to show that Astrology was known in the days of Mahabharata even more than 5000 years ago. There are some astrologers like Avtar Krishen Kaul, who think that the Indians learnt astrology from the Greeks.> Sincerely,> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:> > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:00 AM> > > > > > > prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes:> I do not agree.> No wonder that Govt has not been able to fix proper dates.> Prafulla> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> >> > Dear Prafulla,> > > > Vedavyasa said that Shani was afflicting Rohini. He did not say > that Shani stayed in Rohini. Staying in Rohini and afflicting Rohini > are not the same thing. It appears that you have not read the > original Sanskrit verse yourself and you are depending on some > translations, which are faulty..> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a> > wrote:> > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani > and Raja Dasharath> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:43 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afflicting is not the same as staying together.> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> > wrote:> > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani and > Raja Dasharath> > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:27 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "prafulla > Vaman > > Mendki" <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from> > > Rohini to Krittika.(Ref Bhishmaparva 2.32,Udyogparva 141.7> > mention Shani near Rohini,Bhishmaparva 3.26 mentions Shani near> > Krittika) > > > Prafulla> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Prafulla, You have not only ignored Astrology, you have proposed an impossible date by dating the war after the passing away of Lord krishna in 3102 BCE. You cannot ignore this aspect. Secondly Astronomically also Jupiter was in Visakha at the time of the Mahabharata war and you have ignored that too. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaRe: Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 2:36 PM Dear Prafulla, Vedavyasa also mentioned that Saturn was giving peedha (trouble) to Rohini. All this means his dristi was on Rohini. To attack a person you do not have to be with him. When somebody attacks you he is from outside and he is not the one is residing with you in the same house. This is how astrology looks at this aspect. The graha does not have dristi on the house where it is. Anyway thanks that you admitted that you are not concerned with astrology, even though astrology is abundantly evident in the Mahabharata. When Lord Krishna went to Hastinapur to try for a reconciliation to avert the war he left Upaplavya on the Maitri Yoga. All these indicate that the Mahabharata is full of Astrology and ignoring Astrology one can simply not be able to discover the truth in the Mahabharata. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Thu, 2/26/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:14 AM Dear SunilI have joined this group only express my views.I have no intention of thinking from the point of view of astrology.My book is 100% astronomy (Not astrology).As our views are different ,there are differences of opinion.Bhishmaparva 3.14 also clearly says that Saturn had crossed intoRohini( "Aakramya " means in had entered in Rohini)when Venushad retrogated from UttarBhdrapada to PurvaBhadrapada.This is confirmed by me (3007BC) by calculation. Therefore it is better to stop discussing this issue aboutsaturn in Mahabharata.Prafullaancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Dear Prafulla,> > What do you mean by your Statement "No wonder that the Govt. has not been able to fix proper dates" ? > > As regards the position of Saturn, the sage Vedavyasa had very clearly given in the Bhishma Parva that Brihaspati and Saturn approached Visakha and remained stationary there for one whole year. (Mahabharata 6.3.6). Vedavyasa also gave that Saturn harrassed Rohini and anybody who knows even the rudimentary astrology would be able to understand that this is possible as Rohini was opposite to the position of Saturn.> > I know that you will not agree for obvious reason. But to many of us it is important that the truth must be told. This is also relevant to this group to show that Astrology was known in the days of Mahabharata even more than 5000 years ago. There are some astrologers like Avtar Krishen Kaul, who think that the Indians learnt astrology from the Greeks.> Sincerely,> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:> > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani and Raja Dasharath> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:00 AM> > > > > > > prafulla_mendki@ .co. in writes:> I do not agree.> No wonder that Govt has not been able to fix proper dates.> Prafulla> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> >> > Dear Prafulla,> > > > Vedavyasa said that Shani was afflicting Rohini. He did not say > that Shani stayed in Rohini. Staying in Rohini and afflicting Rohini > are not the same thing. It appears that you have not read the > original Sanskrit verse yourself and you are depending on some > translations, which are faulty..> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a> > wrote:> > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani > and Raja Dasharath> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:43 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afflicting is not the same as staying together.> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> > wrote:> > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Padma Purana: Shani and > Raja Dasharath> > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:27 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "prafulla > Vaman > > Mendki" <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > At the time of Mahabharata ,Shani retrogated and moved from> > > Rohini to Krittika.(Ref Bhishmaparva 2.32,Udyogparva 141.7> > mention Shani near Rohini,Bhishmaparva 3.26 mentions Shani near> > Krittika) > > > Prafulla> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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