Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 om gurave namah Dear Goel sahib Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation Vargottama is vargottama – it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life. [Garga Muni’s teachings] With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM sohamsa ; Ramdas Hosabettu Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath Dear Ramdas Rao ji, You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009  Dear RAMADASA RAO JI There is no dispute whatever you are trying to convey. I am giving further clarification, not that you do not know these things , but only for my clarity: 1. Your wife's chart is Lagna Vargottama and that to in Puskar Navamsa .    Lagna Lord Moon is placed in angular houses , both in D-1 and D-9 charts.  2. Rahu is in Puskar and debilitation navamsa sign. On nodes rules of debilitation does not operate     straightaway. In any case Rahu is aspected by Jupiter in D-1 and D-9. Mercury is in Moon and     lagna Kendra in Navamsa. Thus Rahu becomes very powerful. This is the reason that she was married in Rahu/Rahu / Venus. Her AL, DP and UP are in 6/8 disposition, but in Mars signs.     Mars is with Venus in Navamsa and placed in 7H from Moon.(Parasara says Vimsottari is        supreme in Kalyuga , why we should try to ignore his teachings. Why he says so. Because every one tries to become materialistic in Kalyuga.Parasra says Lords of 3H (Kama),6H(Krohha) and 11H (Lobha)are PAPA (S). This is according to the teaching of Lord Krishna in Gita Chapter 3 ) 3. In all signs except watery signs, Puskar Navamsa falls in the signs of Venus and Jupiter,    the first rate benefics. In Watery signs , Puskar falls in the Navamsa of Moon and Mercury.    In such cases , Moon should be Pakchha bali and Mercury should not be associated with natural malefics,for Puskar navamsa to give full  benefic results. The source beneficence of Puskar   Navamsa is the placement of planet in the navamsa of benefic planets ..Further more, the planet does fall in 6th or 8 th Navamsa sign from the sign occupied by the planet in D-1 chart (which is a blemish according to sage Satyacharya), except Libra sign .As such if a planet is in Libra, and obtains puskar navamsa , its beneficence will be considerably reduced. I feel , if LIBRA IS RISING , ITS PUSKAR NAVAMSA MAYBE AVOIDED IN MAHURTA. 4. If a planet is in sign or Bhava Vargottama , or a Varga is in Lagna Vargottama , it gives    RAJYOGA RESULTS IF ASPECTED BY MORE THAN ONE PLANET.(Laghu Jatak-   Rajyoga Adhya). 5.. As regard your assertion that a planet in Puskar Navamsa is more benefic than a planet in either in Vargottama or in exaltation need to be examined: a. A planet if in exaltation or debilitation , it gives powerful benefic or Malefic results depending   upon it is the lord of Kendra or Trikona houses or Trik houses as an example:  - If debilitated Sun or Saturn placed in Apoklim houses , it will give excellent results for the angular houses owned by them.Here argla rule is applicable. - If a Exalted planet is the lord of trik houses it gives bad results , a debilitate planet gives good results.This is the reason that exalted Jupiter in angular houses also gives number of problems, a debilitated Jupiter in ANGULAR HOUSES is a boon. - Vargottama planet always yields to good results and removes most of the blemishes -except    in deep combustion.It gives Rajyoga if aspected by other planets as indicated above. - Every concept has his own beauty and frankly are not straightaway comparable. Regards,           G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA   ________________________________ Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath Cc: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937; So Hamsa <sohamsa >; phyllis Thursday, 19 February, 200911:13:49 AM RE: Pushkara and vargottama OMSHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH Dear Samjay Ji, Namaste.I am always studying using Pushkaramsha planets and in Muhurtas, Pushkaramsha Lagna which gave fantastic results.That is why eventhough Surya is exalted in Mesha Rashi its debilitation Navamsha falls in Pushkaramsha,so he has given good results related to Karakattwas of Surya.Also I have found out even if a malefic /debilitated planet is associated with a Pushkaramsha planet,it will purify the malefic planet/debilitated planet,thus enhancing the auspicious results.Eventhough Chandra Kala Nadi has used very frequently the use of Pushkaramsha, some research in this field is required.As per me,Pushkaramsha planets have to be held esteem. As an example,here is the birth particulars of my wife who has gone upto the door of Yama Raj's Nivas but came back and living with me.  +--------------+ |Ma  GL   |Sk (PSK)AL|Sy  Bu   |          | |          |          |          |          | |          |    |          |          | |          |          |          |          | |          |          |          |          | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ke        |                      |Lg  (PSK)  | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |-----------|        Rasi         |-----------| |Ch        |                      |Ra (PSK)  | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |GuR SaR  |          |          |HL  Md   | |          |          |          |Gk        | |          |          |          |          | |          |          |          |          | |          |          |          |          | +--------------+                       Rasi                      +--------------+ | \                  /  \                  / | |  \     Ra      /      \              /  | |    \          /          \          /    | |      \      /              \      /      | |Gk      \  /                  \  /        | |HL  Md   x         Lg          x Bu  Sy | |        /  \                  /  \        | |      /      \              /      \      | |    /          \          /          \    | |  /              \  4  /     AL      \  | | /                  \  /                  \ | |                      x         Sk          | | \                  /  \                  / | |  \              /      \              /  | |    \          /          \          /    | |      \      /              \      /      | |        \  /                  \  /        | |          x         Ch          x GL  Ma | |        /  \                  /  \        | |      /      \              /      \      | |    /          \          /          \    | |  /     GuR     \      /     Ke      \  | | /    SaR          \  /                  \ | +--------------+ 16/05/1960at 10:20:07 AMat 74 E 49' and 13 N 05' ( Moodabidri ) I have marked Lagna along with Rahu and Shukra as PSK which are in Pushkaramsha. Her marriage took place in 17/11/1978during Shukra Dasa- Shukra's Antara ( 15/10/1977to 30/11/1978) using Dwisaptati Sama Dasa as Lagna lord Chandra is in 7th house. Shukra is Badhkadhipaty for this chart but is in  placed in 10th house aspecting its own 4th house.Shukra is in Pushkaramsha so it has given marriage at a younger age eventhough he is Badhaka for this chart.Lagna is in Pushkaramsha.Now look at the period between 1/3/1990 and 16/4/1991 which is Shani Dasa- Chandra's Antara.This is the worst period in her life.Shani is Vakra and is with Vakra Guru in 6th house from Lagna and both Shani and Chandra are in Dwi-Dwadasha sthanas.Shani is in Poorvashadha Nakshatra ruled by Shukra who is a Badhaka for this chart,so she suffered from a rare disease called Pericarditis which converted into Tuberculosis of the Lungs.So she went for a surgery for the removal of puss from her heart cover on 27/7/1990 but she was not cured and the problems increased.But again anoted heart specialist was consulted and she was admitted to the hospital and her heart cover ( Pericardium ) was removed on 4/10/1990.Doctors lost the hope as the disease has occupied the lungs.But thanks to Pushkaramsha Lagna and Pushkaramsha Shukra who is the Nakshatra Lord of Shani.The surgery was successful and she came back to the life.Also note that Rahu was aspecting Shani and Guru and Shukra also.But Rahu, the creator of the disease as he is in Maraka place is in Pushkaramsha.So these malefic planets gave her disease but as the said planets are in Pushkaramsha,the disease got cured by the Blessings of God. So I made a tedious study about Pushkaramsha planets and found that if the Lagna is also in Pushkaramsha all the ills ( Doshas ) in the chart will be removed after experiencing some difficulties.As per me Pushkaramsha planets are above than even exalted and Vargottama planets. I have taken this chart as an example for Pushkaramsha planets. With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smaran, Ramadas Rao..  --- On Wed, 18/2/09, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath RE: Pushkara and vargottama " 'Gopal Goel' " <gkgoel1937, sohamsa , " 'Ramdas Hosabettu' " <kashyapagotraja Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , vedic astrology , " 'ancient indian astrology' " , " 'Chubb Phyllis' " <phyllis, " 'Ramadas Rao' " <ramadasrao Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:30 PM   om gurave namah Dear Goel sahib Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation  Vargottama is vargottama – it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes.. No fun in life. [Garga Muni’s teachings]  With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi110060, India www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/  Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM sohamsa ; Ramdas Hosabettu Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath Subject:  Dear Ramdas Rao ji, You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. Regards,  G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA  ________________________________ Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now!  ________________________________ Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now!  G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ________________________________ Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath Cc: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937; So Hamsa <sohamsa >; phyllis Thursday, 19 February, 2009 11:13:49 AM RE: Pushkara and vargottama OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH Dear Samjay Ji, Namaste.I am always studying using Pushkaramsha planets and in Muhurtas, Pushkaramsha Lagna which gave fantastic results.That is why eventhough Surya is exalted in Mesha Rashi its debilitation Navamsha falls in Pushkaramsha,so he has given good results related to Karakattwas of Surya.Also I have found out even if a malefic /debilitated planet is associated with a Pushkaramsha planet,it will purify the malefic planet/debilitated planet,thus enhancing the auspicious results.Eventhough Chandra Kala Nadi has used very frequently the use of Pushkaramsha, some research in this field is required.As per me,Pushkaramsha planets have to be held esteem. As an example,here is the birth particulars of my wife who has gone upto the door of Yama Raj's Nivas but came back and living with me.  +--------------+ |Ma  GL   |Sk (PSK)AL|Sy  Bu   |          | |          |          |          |          | |          |    |          |          | |          |          |          |          | |          |          |          |          | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ke        |                      |Lg  (PSK)  | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |-----------|        Rasi         |-----------| |Ch        |                      |Ra (PSK)  | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |          |                      |          | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |GuR SaR  |          |          |HL  Md   | |          |          |          |Gk        | |          |          |          |          | |          |          |          |          | |          |          |          |          | +--------------+                      Rasi                      +--------------+ | \                  /  \                  / | |  \     Ra      /      \              /  | |    \          /          \          /    | |      \      /              \      /      | |Gk      \  /                  \  /        | |HL  Md   x         Lg          x Bu  Sy | |        /  \                  /  \        | |      /      \              /      \      | |    /          \          /          \    | |  /              \  4  /     AL      \  | | /                  \  /                  \ | |                      x         Sk          | | \                  /  \                  / | |  \              /      \              /  | |    \          /          \          /    | |      \      /              \      /      | |        \  /                  \  /        | |          x         Ch          x GL  Ma | |        /  \                  /  \        | |      /      \              /      \      | |    /          \          /          \    | |  /     GuR     \      /     Ke      \  | | /    SaR          \  /                  \ | +--------------+ 16/05/1960 at 10:20:07 AM at 74 E 49' and 13 N 05' ( Moodabidri ) I have marked Lagna along with Rahu and Shukra as PSK which are in Pushkaramsha. Her marriage took place in 17/11/1978 during Shukra Dasa- Shukra's Antara ( 15/10/1977 to 30/11/1978 ) using Dwisaptati Sama Dasa as Lagna lord Chandra is in 7th house. Shukra is Badhkadhipaty for this chart but is in  placed in 10th house aspecting its own 4th house.Shukra is in Pushkaramsha so it has given marriage at a younger age eventhough he is Badhaka for this chart.Lagna is in Pushkaramsha.Now look at the period between 1/3/1990 and 16/4/1991 which is Shani Dasa- Chandra's Antara.This is the worst period in her life.Shani is Vakra and is with Vakra Guru in 6th house from Lagna and both Shani and Chandra are in Dwi-Dwadasha sthanas.Shani is in Poorvashadha Nakshatra ruled by Shukra who is a Badhaka for this chart,so she suffered from a rare disease called Pericarditis which converted into Tuberculosis of the Lungs.So she went for a surgery for the removal of puss from her heart cover on 27/7/1990 but she was not cured and the problems increased.But again anoted heart specialist was consulted and she was admitted to the hospital and her heart cover ( Pericardium ) was removed on 4/10/1990.Doctors lost the hope as the disease has occupied the lungs.But thanks to Pushkaramsha Lagna and Pushkaramsha Shukra who is the Nakshatra Lord of Shani.The surgery was successful and she came back to the life.Also note that Rahu was aspecting Shani and Guru and Shukra also.But Rahu, the creator of the disease as he is in Maraka place is in Pushkaramsha.So these malefic planets gave her disease but as the said planets are in Pushkaramsha,the disease got cured by the Blessings of God. So I made a tedious study about Pushkaramsha planets and found that if the Lagna is also in Pushkaramsha all the ills ( Doshas ) in the chart will be removed after experiencing some difficulties.As per me Pushkaramsha planets are above than even exalted and Vargottama planets. I have taken this chart as an example for Pushkaramsha planets. With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smaran, Ramadas Rao..  --- On Wed, 18/2/09, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath RE: Pushkara and vargottama " 'Gopal Goel' " <gkgoel1937, sohamsa , " 'Ramdas Hosabettu' " <kashyapagotraja Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , vedic astrology , " 'ancient indian astrology' " , " 'Chubb Phyllis' " <phyllis, " 'Ramadas Rao' " <ramadasrao Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:30 PM   om gurave namah Dear Goel sahib Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation  Vargottama is vargottama – it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life. [Garga Muni’s teachings]  With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/  Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM sohamsa ; Ramdas Hosabettu Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath Subject:  Dear Ramdas Rao ji, You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. Regards,  G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ________________________________ Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! ________________________________ Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Get an email ID as yourname or yourname. 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Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Dear RAMADASA RAO JI There is no dispute whatever you are trying to convey.. I am giving further clarification, not that you do not know these things , but only for my clarity: 1. Your wife's chart is Lagna Vargottama and that to in Puskar Navamsa . Lagna Lord Moon is placed in angular houses , both in D-1 and D-9 charts. 2. Rahu is in Puskar and debilitation navamsa sign. On nodes rules of debilitation does not operate straightaway. In any case Rahu is aspected by Jupiter in D-1 and D-9. Mercury is in Moon and lagna Kendra in Navamsa. Thus Rahu becomes very powerful. This is the reason that she was married in Rahu/Rahu / Venus. Her AL, DP and UP are in 6/8 disposition, but in Mars signs. Mars is with Venus in Navamsa and placed in 7H from Moon.(Parasara says Vimsottari is supreme in Kalyuga , why we should try to ignore his teachings. Why he says so. Because every one tries to become materialistic in Kalyuga.Parasra says Lords of 3H (Kama),6H(Krohha) and 11H (Lobha)are PAPA (S). This is according to the teaching of Lord Krishna in Gita Chapter 3 ) 3. In all signs except watery signs, Puskar Navamsa falls in the signs of Venus and Jupiter, the first rate benefics. In Watery signs , Puskar falls in the Navamsa of Moon and Mercury. In such cases , Moon should be Pakchha bali and Mercury should not be associated with natural malefics,for Puskar navamsa to give full benefic results. The source beneficence of Puskar Navamsa is the placement of planet in the navamsa of benefic planets .Further more, the planet does fall in 6th or 8 th Navamsa sign from the sign occupied by the planet in D-1 chart (which is a blemish according to sage Satyacharya), except Libra sign .As such if a planet is in Libra, and obtains puskar navamsa , its beneficence will be considerably reduced. I feel , if LIBRA IS RISING , ITS PUSKAR NAVAMSA MAYBE AVOIDED IN MAHURTA. 4. If a planet is in sign or Bhava Vargottama , or a Varga is in Lagna Vargottama , it gives RAJYOGA RESULTS IF ASPECTED BY MORE THAN ONE PLANET.(Laghu Jatak- Rajyoga Adhya). 5. As regard your assertion that a planet in Puskar Navamsa is more benefic than a planet in either in Vargottama or in exaltation need to be examined: a. A planet if in exaltation or debilitation , it gives powerful benefic or Malefic results depending upon it is the lord of Kendra or Trikona houses or Trik houses as an example: - If debilitated Sun or Saturn placed in Apoklim houses , it will give excellent results for the angular houses owned by them.Here argla rule is applicable. - If a Exalted planet is the lord of trik houses it gives bad results , a debilitate planet gives good results.This is the reason that exalted Jupiter in angular houses also gives number of problems, a debilitated Jupiter in ANGULAR HOUSES is a boon. - Vargottama planet always yields to good results and removes most of the blemishes -except in deep combustion.It gives Rajyoga if aspected by other planets as indicated above. - Every concept has his own beauty and frankly are not straightaway comparable. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Ramadas Rao <ramadasraoSanjay Rath <sanjayrathCc: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937; So Hamsa <sohamsa >; phyllisSent: Thursday, 19 February, 2009 11:13:49 AMRE: Pushkara and vargottama OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH Dear Samjay Ji, Namaste.I am always studying using Pushkaramsha planets and in Muhurtas, Pushkaramsha Lagna which gave fantastic results.That is why eventhough Surya is exalted in Mesha Rashi its debilitation Navamsha falls in Pushkaramsha,so he has given good results related to Karakattwas of Surya.Also I have found out even if a malefic /debilitated planet is associated with a Pushkaramsha planet,it will purify the malefic planet/debilitated planet,thus enhancing the auspicious results.Eventhough Chandra Kala Nadi has used very frequently the use of Pushkaramsha, some research in this field is required.As per me,Pushkaramsha planets have to be held esteem. As an example,here is the birth particulars of my wife who has gone upto the door of Yama Raj's Nivas but came back and living with me. +--------------+ |Ma GL |Sk (PSK)AL |Sy Bu | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ke | |Lg (PSK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| |Ch | |Ra (PSK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |GuR SaR | | |HL Md | | | | |Gk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Ra / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |Gk \ / \ / | |HL Md x Lg x Bu Sy | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 4 / AL \ | | / \ / \ | | x Sk | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Ch x GL Ma | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / GuR \ / Ke \ | | / SaR \ / \ | +--------------+ 16/05/1960 at 10:20:07 AM at 74 E 49' and 13 N 05' ( Moodabidri ) I have marked Lagna along with Rahu and Shukra as PSK which are in Pushkaramsha. Her marriage took place in 17/11/1978 during Shukra Dasa- Shukra's Antara ( 15/10/1977 to 30/11/1978 ) using Dwisaptati Sama Dasa as Lagna lord Chandra is in 7th house. Shukra is Badhkadhipaty for this chart but is in placed in 10th house aspecting its own 4th house.Shukra is in Pushkaramsha so it has given marriage at a younger age eventhough he is Badhaka for this chart.Lagna is in Pushkaramsha.Now look at the period between 1/3/1990 and 16/4/1991 which is Shani Dasa- Chandra's Antara.This is the worst period in her life..Shani is Vakra and is with Vakra Guru in 6th house from Lagna and both Shani and Chandra are in Dwi-Dwadasha sthanas.Shani is in Poorvashadha Nakshatra ruled by Shukra who is a Badhaka for this chart,so she suffered from a rare disease called Pericarditis which converted into Tuberculosis of the Lungs.So she went for a surgery for the removal of puss from her heart cover on 27/7/1990 but she was not cured and the problems increased.But again anoted heart specialist was consulted and she was admitted to the hospital and her heart cover ( Pericardium ) was removed on 4/10/1990.Doctors lost the hope as the disease has occupied the lungs.But thanks to Pushkaramsha Lagna and Pushkaramsha Shukra who is the Nakshatra Lord of Shani.The surgery was successful and she came back to the life.Also note that Rahu was aspecting Shani and Guru and Shukra also.But Rahu, the creator of the disease as he is in Maraka place is in Pushkaramsha.So these malefic planets gave her disease but as the said planets are in Pushkaramsha,the disease got cured by the Blessings of God. So I made a tedious study about Pushkaramsha planets and found that if the Lagna is also in Pushkaramsha all the ills ( Doshas ) in the chart will be removed after experiencing some difficulties.As per me Pushkaramsha planets are above than even exalted and Vargottama planets. I have taken this chart as an example for Pushkaramsha planets. With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smaran, Ramadas Rao. --- On Wed, 18/2/09, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sanjayrathRE: Pushkara and vargottama"'Gopal Goel'" <gkgoel1937, sohamsa , "'Ramdas Hosabettu'" <kashyapagotrajaCc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , vedic astrology , "'ancient indian astrology'" , "'Chubb Phyllis'" <phyllis, "'Ramadas Rao'" <ramadasraoWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:30 PM om gurave namah Dear Goel sahib Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation Vargottama is vargottama – it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life. [Garga Muni’s teachings] With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PMsohamsa ; Ramdas HosabettuCc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath Dear Ramdas Rao ji, You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Ramadas Rao <ramadasraoSanjay Rath <sanjayrathCc: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937; So Hamsa <sohamsa >; phyllisSent: Thursday, 19 February, 2009 11:13:49 AMRE: Pushkara and vargottama OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH Dear Samjay Ji, Namaste.I am always studying using Pushkaramsha planets and in Muhurtas, Pushkaramsha Lagna which gave fantastic results.That is why eventhough Surya is exalted in Mesha Rashi its debilitation Navamsha falls in Pushkaramsha,so he has given good results related to Karakattwas of Surya.Also I have found out even if a malefic /debilitated planet is associated with a Pushkaramsha planet,it will purify the malefic planet/debilitated planet,thus enhancing the auspicious results.Eventhough Chandra Kala Nadi has used very frequently the use of Pushkaramsha, some research in this field is required.As per me,Pushkaramsha planets have to be held esteem. As an example,here is the birth particulars of my wife who has gone upto the door of Yama Raj's Nivas but came back and living with me. +--------------+ |Ma GL |Sk (PSK)AL |Sy Bu | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ke | |Lg (PSK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| |Ch | |Ra (PSK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |GuR SaR | | |HL Md | | | | |Gk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Ra / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |Gk \ / \ / | |HL Md x Lg x Bu Sy | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 4 / AL \ | | / \ / \ | | x Sk | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Ch x GL Ma | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / GuR \ / Ke \ | | / SaR \ / \ | +--------------+ 16/05/1960 at 10:20:07 AM at 74 E 49' and 13 N 05' ( Moodabidri ) I have marked Lagna along with Rahu and Shukra as PSK which are in Pushkaramsha. Her marriage took place in 17/11/1978 during Shukra Dasa- Shukra's Antara ( 15/10/1977 to 30/11/1978 ) using Dwisaptati Sama Dasa as Lagna lord Chandra is in 7th house. Shukra is Badhkadhipaty for this chart but is in placed in 10th house aspecting its own 4th house.Shukra is in Pushkaramsha so it has given marriage at a younger age eventhough he is Badhaka for this chart.Lagna is in Pushkaramsha.Now look at the period between 1/3/1990 and 16/4/1991 which is Shani Dasa- Chandra's Antara.This is the worst period in her life.Shani is Vakra and is with Vakra Guru in 6th house from Lagna and both Shani and Chandra are in Dwi-Dwadasha sthanas.Shani is in Poorvashadha Nakshatra ruled by Shukra who is a Badhaka for this chart,so she suffered from a rare disease called Pericarditis which converted into Tuberculosis of the Lungs.So she went for a surgery for the removal of puss from her heart cover on 27/7/1990 but she was not cured and the problems increased.But again anoted heart specialist was consulted and she was admitted to the hospital and her heart cover ( Pericardium ) was removed on 4/10/1990.Doctors lost the hope as the disease has occupied the lungs.But thanks to Pushkaramsha Lagna and Pushkaramsha Shukra who is the Nakshatra Lord of Shani.The surgery was successful and she came back to the life.Also note that Rahu was aspecting Shani and Guru and Shukra also.But Rahu, the creator of the disease as he is in Maraka place is in Pushkaramsha.So these malefic planets gave her disease but as the said planets are in Pushkaramsha,the disease got cured by the Blessings of God. So I made a tedious study about Pushkaramsha planets and found that if the Lagna is also in Pushkaramsha all the ills ( Doshas ) in the chart will be removed after experiencing some difficulties.As per me Pushkaramsha planets are above than even exalted and Vargottama planets. I have taken this chart as an example for Pushkaramsha planets. With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smaran, Ramadas Rao. --- On Wed, 18/2/09, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sanjayrathRE: Pushkara and vargottama"'Gopal Goel'" <gkgoel1937, sohamsa , "'Ramdas Hosabettu'" <kashyapagotrajaCc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , vedic astrology , "'ancient indian astrology'" , "'Chubb Phyllis'" <phyllis, "'Ramadas Rao'" <ramadasraoWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:30 PM om gurave namah Dear Goel sahib Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation Vargottama is vargottama – it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes.. No fun in life. [Garga Muni’s teachings] With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PMsohamsa ; Ramdas HosabettuCc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath Dear Ramdas Rao ji, You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Get your own website and domain for just Rs.1,999/year.* Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH Dear Goel Ji, As you said her Lagna is in Pushkaramsha more than Vargottama.I was trying to explain only about the usage of Pushkaramsha.Ofcourse further researches have to be made in this regard. With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear RAMADASA RAO JI There is no dispute whatever you are trying to convey.. I am giving further clarification, not that you do not know these things , but only for my clarity: 1. Your wife's chart is Lagna Vargottama and that to in Puskar Navamsa . Lagna Lord Moon is placed in angular houses , both in D-1 and D-9 charts. 2. Rahu is in Puskar and debilitation navamsa sign. On nodes rules of debilitation does not operate straightaway. In any case Rahu is aspected by Jupiter in D-1 and D-9. Mercury is in Moon and lagna Kendra in Navamsa. Thus Rahu becomes very powerful. This is the reason that she was married in Rahu/Rahu / Venus. Her AL, DP and UP are in 6/8 disposition, but in Mars signs. Mars is with Venus in Navamsa and placed in 7H from Moon.(Parasara says Vimsottari is supreme in Kalyuga , why we should try to ignore his teachings. Why he says so. Because every one tries to become materialistic in Kalyuga.Parasra says Lords of 3H (Kama),6H(Krohha) and 11H (Lobha)are PAPA (S). This is according to the teaching of Lord Krishna in Gita Chapter 3 ) 3. In all signs except watery signs, Puskar Navamsa falls in the signs of Venus and Jupiter, the first rate benefics. In Watery signs , Puskar falls in the Navamsa of Moon and Mercury. In such cases , Moon should be Pakchha bali and Mercury should not be associated with natural malefics,for Puskar navamsa to give full benefic results. The source beneficence of Puskar Navamsa is the placement of planet in the navamsa of benefic planets .Further more, the planet does fall in 6th or 8 th Navamsa sign from the sign occupied by the planet in D-1 chart (which is a blemish according to sage Satyacharya), except Libra sign .As such if a planet is in Libra, and obtains puskar navamsa , its beneficence will be considerably reduced. I feel , if LIBRA IS RISING , ITS PUSKAR NAVAMSA MAYBE AVOIDED IN MAHURTA. 4. If a planet is in sign or Bhava Vargottama , or a Varga is in Lagna Vargottama , it gives RAJYOGA RESULTS IF ASPECTED BY MORE THAN ONE PLANET.(Laghu Jatak- Rajyoga Adhya). 5. As regard your assertion that a planet in Puskar Navamsa is more benefic than a planet in either in Vargottama or in exaltation need to be examined: a. A planet if in exaltation or debilitation , it gives powerful benefic or Malefic results depending upon it is the lord of Kendra or Trikona houses or Trik houses as an example: - If debilitated Sun or Saturn placed in Apoklim houses , it will give excellent results for the angular houses owned by them.Here argla rule is applicable. - If a Exalted planet is the lord of trik houses it gives bad results , a debilitate planet gives good results.This is the reason that exalted Jupiter in angular houses also gives number of problems, a debilitated Jupiter in ANGULAR HOUSES is a boon. - Vargottama planet always yields to good results and removes most of the blemishes -except in deep combustion.It gives Rajyoga if aspected by other planets as indicated above. - Every concept has his own beauty and frankly are not straightaway comparable. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao Sanjay Rath <sanjayrathCc: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937; So Hamsa <sohamsa >; phyllis Thursday, 19 February, 2009 11:13:49 AM RE: Pushkara and vargottama OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH Dear Samjay Ji, Namaste.I am always studying using Pushkaramsha planets and in Muhurtas, Pushkaramsha Lagna which gave fantastic results.That is why eventhough Surya is exalted in Mesha Rashi its debilitation Navamsha falls in Pushkaramsha,so he has given good results related to Karakattwas of Surya.Also I have found out even if a malefic /debilitated planet is associated with a Pushkaramsha planet,it will purify the malefic planet/debilitated planet,thus enhancing the auspicious results.Eventhough Chandra Kala Nadi has used very frequently the use of Pushkaramsha, some research in this field is required.As per me,Pushkaramsha planets have to be held esteem. As an example,here is the birth particulars of my wife who has gone upto the door of Yama Raj's Nivas but came back and living with me. +--------------+ |Ma GL |Sk (PSK)AL |Sy Bu | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ke | |Lg (PSK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| |Ch | |Ra (PSK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |GuR SaR | | |HL Md | | | | |Gk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Ra / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |Gk \ / \ / | |HL Md x Lg x Bu Sy | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 4 / AL \ | | / \ / \ | | x Sk | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Ch x GL Ma | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / GuR \ / Ke \ | | / SaR \ / \ | +--------------+ 16/05/1960 at 10:20:07 AM at 74 E 49' and 13 N 05' ( Moodabidri ) I have marked Lagna along with Rahu and Shukra as PSK which are in Pushkaramsha. Her marriage took place in 17/11/1978 during Shukra Dasa- Shukra's Antara ( 15/10/1977 to 30/11/1978 ) using Dwisaptati Sama Dasa as Lagna lord Chandra is in 7th house. Shukra is Badhkadhipaty for this chart but is in placed in 10th house aspecting its own 4th house.Shukra is in Pushkaramsha so it has given marriage at a younger age eventhough he is Badhaka for this chart.Lagna is in Pushkaramsha.Now look at the period between 1/3/1990 and 16/4/1991 which is Shani Dasa- Chandra's Antara.This is the worst period in her life..Shani is Vakra and is with Vakra Guru in 6th house from Lagna and both Shani and Chandra are in Dwi-Dwadasha sthanas.Shani is in Poorvashadha Nakshatra ruled by Shukra who is a Badhaka for this chart,so she suffered from a rare disease called Pericarditis which converted into Tuberculosis of the Lungs.So she went for a surgery for the removal of puss from her heart cover on 27/7/1990 but she was not cured and the problems increased.But again anoted heart specialist was consulted and she was admitted to the hospital and her heart cover ( Pericardium ) was removed on 4/10/1990.Doctors lost the hope as the disease has occupied the lungs.But thanks to Pushkaramsha Lagna and Pushkaramsha Shukra who is the Nakshatra Lord of Shani.The surgery was successful and she came back to the life.Also note that Rahu was aspecting Shani and Guru and Shukra also.But Rahu, the creator of the disease as he is in Maraka place is in Pushkaramsha.So these malefic planets gave her disease but as the said planets are in Pushkaramsha,the disease got cured by the Blessings of God. So I made a tedious study about Pushkaramsha planets and found that if the Lagna is also in Pushkaramsha all the ills ( Doshas ) in the chart will be removed after experiencing some difficulties.As per me Pushkaramsha planets are above than even exalted and Vargottama planets. I have taken this chart as an example for Pushkaramsha planets. With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smaran, Ramadas Rao. --- On Wed, 18/2/09, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sanjayrathRE: Pushkara and vargottama " 'Gopal Goel' " <gkgoel1937, sohamsa , " 'Ramdas Hosabettu' " <kashyapagotraja Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , vedic astrology , " 'ancient indian astrology' " , " 'Chubb Phyllis' " <phyllis, " 'Ramadas Rao' " <ramadasrao Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:30 PM om gurave namah Dear Goel sahib Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation Vargottama is vargottama – it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life. [Garga Muni's teachings] With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PMsohamsa ; Ramdas HosabettuCc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath Dear Ramdas Rao ji, You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Ramadas Rao <ramadasraoSanjay Rath <sanjayrath Cc: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937; So Hamsa <sohamsa >; phyllis Thursday, 19 February, 2009 11:13:49 AMRE: Pushkara and vargottama OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH Dear Samjay Ji, Namaste.I am always studying using Pushkaramsha planets and in Muhurtas, Pushkaramsha Lagna which gave fantastic results.That is why eventhough Surya is exalted in Mesha Rashi its debilitation Navamsha falls in Pushkaramsha,so he has given good results related to Karakattwas of Surya.Also I have found out even if a malefic /debilitated planet is associated with a Pushkaramsha planet,it will purify the malefic planet/debilitated planet,thus enhancing the auspicious results.Eventhough Chandra Kala Nadi has used very frequently the use of Pushkaramsha, some research in this field is required.As per me,Pushkaramsha planets have to be held esteem. As an example,here is the birth particulars of my wife who has gone upto the door of Yama Raj's Nivas but came back and living with me. +--------------+ |Ma GL |Sk (PSK)AL |Sy Bu | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Ke | |Lg (PSK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| |Ch | |Ra (PSK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |GuR SaR | | |HL Md | | | | |Gk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Ra / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |Gk \ / \ / | |HL Md x Lg x Bu Sy | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 4 / AL \ | | / \ / \ | | x Sk | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Ch x GL Ma | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / GuR \ / Ke \ | | / SaR \ / \ | +--------------+ 16/05/1960 at 10:20:07 AM at 74 E 49' and 13 N 05' ( Moodabidri ) I have marked Lagna along with Rahu and Shukra as PSK which are in Pushkaramsha. Her marriage took place in 17/11/1978 during Shukra Dasa- Shukra's Antara ( 15/10/1977 to 30/11/1978 ) using Dwisaptati Sama Dasa as Lagna lord Chandra is in 7th house. Shukra is Badhkadhipaty for this chart but is in placed in 10th house aspecting its own 4th house.Shukra is in Pushkaramsha so it has given marriage at a younger age eventhough he is Badhaka for this chart.Lagna is in Pushkaramsha.Now look at the period between 1/3/1990 and 16/4/1991 which is Shani Dasa- Chandra's Antara.This is the worst period in her life.Shani is Vakra and is with Vakra Guru in 6th house from Lagna and both Shani and Chandra are in Dwi-Dwadasha sthanas.Shani is in Poorvashadha Nakshatra ruled by Shukra who is a Badhaka for this chart,so she suffered from a rare disease called Pericarditis which converted into Tuberculosis of the Lungs.So she went for a surgery for the removal of puss from her heart cover on 27/7/1990 but she was not cured and the problems increased.But again anoted heart specialist was consulted and she was admitted to the hospital and her heart cover ( Pericardium ) was removed on 4/10/1990.Doctors lost the hope as the disease has occupied the lungs.But thanks to Pushkaramsha Lagna and Pushkaramsha Shukra who is the Nakshatra Lord of Shani.The surgery was successful and she came back to the life.Also note that Rahu was aspecting Shani and Guru and Shukra also.But Rahu, the creator of the disease as he is in Maraka place is in Pushkaramsha.So these malefic planets gave her disease but as the said planets are in Pushkaramsha,the disease got cured by the Blessings of God. So I made a tedious study about Pushkaramsha planets and found that if the Lagna is also in Pushkaramsha all the ills ( Doshas ) in the chart will be removed after experiencing some difficulties.As per me Pushkaramsha planets are above than even exalted and Vargottama planets. I have taken this chart as an example for Pushkaramsha planets. With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smaran, Ramadas Rao. --- On Wed, 18/2/09, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sanjayrathRE: Pushkara and vargottama " 'Gopal Goel' " <gkgoel1937, sohamsa , " 'Ramdas Hosabettu' " <kashyapagotraja Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , vedic astrology , " 'ancient indian astrology' " , " 'Chubb Phyllis' " <phyllis, " 'Ramadas Rao' " <ramadasrao Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:30 PM om gurave namah Dear Goel sahib Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation Vargottama is vargottama – it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes.. No fun in life. [Garga Muni's teachings] With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM sohamsa ; Ramdas HosabettuCc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath Dear Ramdas Rao ji, You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Get your own website and domain for just Rs.1,999/year.* Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Namaste Mr. Sanjay Rath ji, Very often we hear that we are in kaliyuga while others through their lengthy mathematics come out with different years..... how to say we are in kaliyuga or not. Taking a hint from Sri Yuketeswar Giri ji the Guru of Sri Paramahansa Yogananda, that kaliyuga has long expired and we are in treta yuga.... for many corrupt practises or sins are getting into media highlight than never before..... indicates Truth " surfacing or floating " .... atleast can see some judicial justice being served....so we are past Kaliyuga.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " Sanjay Rath " <srath wrote: om gurave namah Dear Goel sahib Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation Vargottama is vargottama †" it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic ise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. othing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life. [Garga Muni’s teachings] With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Rath, //In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt.// Is it mentioned that hidden, secret BPHS, which is said to have been preserved by an Oriya family??(obviously yours....!!!)Or this is the most corrupted form of Parasari Astrology??? I have 3 debilitated planets in rashi!! There had been no drastic rise from rags to riches & never felt the " effects of rajayoga " . I would appreciate your reply. Thank you, Gaurav. , " Sanjay Rath " <srath wrote: > > > > > > om gurave namah > > Dear Goel sahib > > Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation > > > > Vargottama is vargottama †" it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. > > In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life. > > [Garga Muni’s teachings] > > > > With Warm Regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com > > Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ > > > > Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM > sohamsa ; Ramdas Hosabettu > Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath > Subject: > > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji, > > You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. > > Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be > > its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. > > This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. > > But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, > > the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. > > On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, > > it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers > > some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. > > Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > > _____ > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname Sign up now! <http://in.rd./tagline_dbid_2/*http:/in.promos./address> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Dear Gaurav ji,I do not know your chart and cannot say what your debilitated planets are doing there, but consider this:Two people are applying for the same job:One with an exalted 2/6/10L will go with true credentials, speak honestly, and wait to get the job on merit. One with a debilitated 2/6/10L will fake his credentials, boast shamelessly and bribe his way to the job.Who gets the job in Kalyug, need not tell you. This is with one planet and one department. If you have 3 or 4 such planets, then you win in all departments. What if you you're sowing the wrong seeds for your next life? Who cares? Now don't take it literally also, the planet's position in rashi is moderated by its varga dispositions. This is generally applying principles on desh-kaal-patra. No BPHS is needed in this. The dignity of planets has a meaning in esoteric, not much significance when you're looking at material gains. That is why malefics and debilitated planets in upchay sthans are considered more useful for a native. Hope you get my point.RegardsNeelam2009/2/20 <gaurav.ghosh ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Rath, //In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt.// Is it mentioned that hidden, secret BPHS, which is said to have been preserved by an Oriya family??(obviously yours....!!!)Or this is the most corrupted form of Parasari Astrology??? I have 3 debilitated planets in rashi!! There had been no drastic rise from rags to riches & never felt the " effects of rajayoga " . I would appreciate your reply. Thank you, Gaurav. , " Sanjay Rath " <srath wrote: > > > > > > om gurave namah > > Dear Goel sahib > > Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation > > > > Vargottama is vargottama †" it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. > > In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life. > > [Garga Muni’s teachings] > > > > With Warm Regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com > > Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ > > > > Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM > sohamsa ; Ramdas Hosabettu > Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath > > > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji, > > You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. > > Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be > > its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. > > This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. > > But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, > > the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. > > On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, > > it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers > > some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. > > Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > > _____ > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname Sign up now! <http://in.rd./tagline_dbid_2/*http:/in.promos./address> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 In continuation:What I have said about exalted and debilitated planets, may not be taken literally as this is moderated by many factors and negativity is extreme with association of malefics. Just wanted to emphasize the point that a debilitated planet will make the person a go-getter and at what cost, will depend on his other placements. RegardsNeelam2009/2/20 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Dear Gaurav ji,I do not know your chart and cannot say what your debilitated planets are doing there, but consider this:Two people are applying for the same job:One with an exalted 2/6/10L will go with true credentials, speak honestly, and wait to get the job on merit. One with a debilitated 2/6/10L will fake his credentials, boast shamelessly and bribe his way to the job.Who gets the job in Kalyug, need not tell you. This is with one planet and one department. If you have 3 or 4 such planets, then you win in all departments. What if you you're sowing the wrong seeds for your next life? Who cares? Now don't take it literally also, the planet's position in rashi is moderated by its varga dispositions. This is generally applying principles on desh-kaal-patra. No BPHS is needed in this. The dignity of planets has a meaning in esoteric, not much significance when you're looking at material gains. That is why malefics and debilitated planets in upchay sthans are considered more useful for a native. Hope you get my point.RegardsNeelam2009/2/20 <gaurav.ghosh ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Rath, //In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt.// Is it mentioned that hidden, secret BPHS, which is said to have been preserved by an Oriya family??(obviously yours....!!!)Or this is the most corrupted form of Parasari Astrology??? I have 3 debilitated planets in rashi!! There had been no drastic rise from rags to riches & never felt the " effects of rajayoga " . I would appreciate your reply. Thank you, Gaurav. , " Sanjay Rath " <srath wrote: > > > > > > om gurave namah > > Dear Goel sahib > > Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation > > > > Vargottama is vargottama †" it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time. > > In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life. > > [Garga Muni’s teachings] > > > > With Warm Regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com > > Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ > > > > Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM > sohamsa ; Ramdas Hosabettu > Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath > > > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji, > > You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. > > Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be > > its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. > > This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. > > But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, > > the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account. > > On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, > > it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers > > some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. > > Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > > _____ > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname Sign up now! <http://in.rd./tagline_dbid_2/*http:/in.promos./address> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Dear Neelam-ji, I do agree to your statement. My views are : Malefics are "dog-eat-dog" type. They want to excell at any cost. There are too many successful sports person with deb Mars. regards chakraborty neelam gupta [neelamgupta07]Friday, February 20, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pushkara and vargottama In continuation:What I have said about exalted and debilitated planets, may not be taken literally as this is moderated by many factors and negativity is extreme with association of malefics. Just wanted to emphasize the point that a debilitated planet will make the person a go-getter and at what cost, will depend on his other placements. RegardsNeelam 2009/2/20 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Dear Gaurav ji,I do not know your chart and cannot say what your debilitated planets are doing there, but consider this:Two people are applying for the same job:One with an exalted 2/6/10L will go with true credentials, speak honestly, and wait to get the job on merit. One with a debilitated 2/6/10L will fake his credentials, boast shamelessly and bribe his way to the job.Who gets the job in Kalyug, need not tell you. This is with one planet and one department. If you have 3 or 4 such planets, then you win in all departments. What if you you're sowing the wrong seeds for your next life? Who cares? Now don't take it literally also, the planet's position in rashi is moderated by its varga dispositions.This is generally applying principles on desh-kaal-patra. No BPHS is needed in this. The dignity of planets has a meaning in esoteric, not much significance when you're looking at material gains. That is why malefics and debilitated planets in upchay sthans are considered more useful for a native. Hope you get my point.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/20 <gaurav.ghosh > ||Jai Ramakrishna||Dear Mr.Rath,//In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is notdebilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic risefrom rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt.//Is it mentioned that hidden, secret BPHS, which is said to have beenpreserved by an Oriya family??(obviously yours....!!!)Or this is themost corrupted form of Parasari Astrology???I have 3 debilitated planets in rashi!!There had been no drastic rise from rags to riches & never felt the"effects of rajayoga".I would appreciate your reply.Thank you,Gaurav. , "Sanjay Rath"<srath wrote:>> > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear Goel sahib> > Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do withshrishti or creation> > > > Vargottama is vargottama â€" it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time.> > In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is notdebilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic risefrom rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothingsubstantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes.No fun in life.> > [Garga Muni’s teachings] > > > > With Warm Regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> > www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org,www.sagittariuspublications.com> > Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/> > > > Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM> sohamsa ; Ramdas Hosabettu> Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ;vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; ChubbPhyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath> > > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji,> > You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama.> > Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsahappen to be > > its sign of debility , it may not be that effective.> > This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , itssign of exaltation or debilitation are considered.> > But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planetsauspiciousness on a scale of 20 points,> > the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken intoaccount.> > On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhavaplacement) or in Puskar Navamsa,> > it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousnessis taken away if it suffers > > some infirmity as suggested by Parasara.> > Regards,> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > > _____ > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. 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Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Neelamji, Thank you for such a wonderful explanation... Since this forum is not meant to discuss individual charts, so I will definitely refrain from putting my birth details & break the forum rules & regulations!! Yes, debilitated planets have a meaning, not necessarily it has to have a connotation of doing certain good/result in the " Raj Yoga " or material gains... Shree Ramakrishna had 3 exalted planets, with Venus in 2nd house as exalted. Definitely any people looking at his chart,without having a prior knowledge of the native, will confer that this person must have good wealth, when Shree Ramakrishna had wealth to offer, which was purely spiritual. Vargas, Nakshatra occupied has a role to play.. & finally comes the great " Parasara Exception " , of which I am sure, you know! So this kind of vague statement like real rajyogas take place when the planets are debilitated is very generic statement. Yes, a person certainly make a good amount of wealth & fortune(both through moral & immoral means!!)having a debilitated, not necessarily that planet will be responsible has to have a role to play in making this wealth. There may be those *other factors* as the learned people say... Gaurav. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Gaurav ji, > > I do not know your chart and cannot say what your debilitated planets are > doing there, but consider this: > > Two people are applying for the same job: > One with an exalted 2/6/10L will go with true credentials, speak honestly, > and wait to get the job on merit. > One with a debilitated 2/6/10L will fake his credentials, boast shamelessly > and bribe his way to the job. > > Who gets the job in Kalyug, need not tell you. This is with one planet and > one department. If you have 3 or 4 such planets, then you win in all > departments. What if you you're sowing the wrong seeds for your next life? > Who cares? Now don't take it literally also, the planet's position in rashi > is moderated by its varga dispositions. > > This is generally applying principles on desh-kaal-patra. No BPHS is needed > in this. The dignity of planets has a meaning in esoteric, not much > significance when you're looking at material gains. That is why malefics and > debilitated planets in upchay sthans are considered more useful for a > native. > Hope you get my point. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/2/20 <gaurav.ghosh > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Rath, > > //In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not > > debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise > > from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt.// > > Is it mentioned that hidden, secret BPHS, which is said to have been > > preserved by an Oriya family??(obviously yours....!!!)Or this is the > > most corrupted form of Parasari Astrology??? > > I have 3 debilitated planets in rashi!! > > There had been no drastic rise from rags to riches & never felt the > > " effects of rajayoga " . > > I would appreciate your reply. > > Thank you, > > Gaurav. > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Sanjay Rath " > > <srath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > Dear Goel sahib > > > > > > Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with > > shrishti or creation > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottama is vargottama †" it simply means the best division. > > Debility may not be bad all the time. > > > > > > In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not > > debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise > > from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in > > billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing > > substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. > > No fun in life. > > > > > > [Garga Muni’s teachings] > > > > > > > > > > > > With Warm Regards, > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > > > > > www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, > > www.sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937@] > > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>; Ramdas > > Hosabettu > > > Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest <Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily\ _Digest%40> > > ; > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>; > > ancient indian astrology; Chubb > > Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji, > > > > > > You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. > > > > > > Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa > > happen to be > > > > > > its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. > > > > > > This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its > > sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. > > > > > > But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets > > auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, > > > > > > the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into > > account. > > > > > > On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava > > placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, > > > > > > it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness > > is taken away if it suffers > > > > > > some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. 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Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Dear Gaurav ji and group,I do not know what is the origin of this thread as Goel ji is always cross posting on forums. But now that there is a discussion on exaltation/debilitation, let us prbe further. Have you ever wondered about the specific degrees and their dignity in shodashvargas? And the info they give us about the karkatwas of planets? These are the observations on varga positions of planets at their degree of exaltation/deb. (I'll upload the table in files section). Sun, the soul, debilitates in vamshamsh whether in exaltation or debilitation in rashi chart. An exalted moon remains exalted in D-4, but debilitates in D-7 whereas a deb moon is good for children getting exalted in saptamsh. Why an exalted moon behaves inimically in all vergas?Mars is very important in D-7, remaining exalted in saptamsh, whereas a deb mars is also deb in D-7. An exalted mars fares well in most departments and is never in any inimical or deb sign. Now look at mercury, deb mercury seems to do better for D-4, D-12 and D-60 while an exalted mercury fails in these departments.An exalted jup is generally good in all departments, specially in D-4. And whther exalted or deb. Jupiter it promotes spirituality, being exalted in vimsamsh. Coming to venus, it seems to govern, with mars, the saptamsh and navmansha, the only planet when exalted, remains exalted in navamsh and saptamsh.Take a look at Saturn. A deb Saturn might be a good idea. An exalted Saturn does badly in important areas of home (d-4), spouse (d-9) and work (d-10) while a debilitated Saturn exalts in these. Any clues? Hope this will throw open many new lines of thought and we will be able to integrate these in the preditive.RegardsNeelam2009/2/20 <gaurav.ghosh ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Neelamji, Thank you for such a wonderful explanation... Since this forum is not meant to discuss individual charts, so I will definitely refrain from putting my birth details & break the forum rules & regulations!! Yes, debilitated planets have a meaning, not necessarily it has to have a connotation of doing certain good/result in the " Raj Yoga " or material gains... Shree Ramakrishna had 3 exalted planets, with Venus in 2nd house as exalted. Definitely any people looking at his chart,without having a prior knowledge of the native, will confer that this person must have good wealth, when Shree Ramakrishna had wealth to offer, which was purely spiritual. Vargas, Nakshatra occupied has a role to play.. & finally comes the great " Parasara Exception " , of which I am sure, you know! So this kind of vague statement like real rajyogas take place when the planets are debilitated is very generic statement. Yes, a person certainly make a good amount of wealth & fortune(both through moral & immoral means!!)having a debilitated, not necessarily that planet will be responsible has to have a role to play in making this wealth. There may be those *other factors* as the learned people say... Gaurav. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Gaurav ji, > > I do not know your chart and cannot say what your debilitated planets are > doing there, but consider this: > > Two people are applying for the same job: > One with an exalted 2/6/10L will go with true credentials, speak honestly, > and wait to get the job on merit. > One with a debilitated 2/6/10L will fake his credentials, boast shamelessly > and bribe his way to the job. > > Who gets the job in Kalyug, need not tell you. This is with one planet and > one department. If you have 3 or 4 such planets, then you win in all > departments. What if you you're sowing the wrong seeds for your next life? > Who cares? Now don't take it literally also, the planet's position in rashi > is moderated by its varga dispositions. > > This is generally applying principles on desh-kaal-patra. No BPHS is needed > in this. The dignity of planets has a meaning in esoteric, not much > significance when you're looking at material gains. That is why malefics and > debilitated planets in upchay sthans are considered more useful for a > native. > Hope you get my point. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/2/20 <gaurav.ghosh > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Mr.Rath, > > //In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not > > debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise > > from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt.// > > Is it mentioned that hidden, secret BPHS, which is said to have been > > preserved by an Oriya family??(obviously yours....!!!)Or this is the > > most corrupted form of Parasari Astrology??? > > I have 3 debilitated planets in rashi!! > > There had been no drastic rise from rags to riches & never felt the > > " effects of rajayoga " . > > I would appreciate your reply. > > Thank you, > > Gaurav. > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " Sanjay Rath " > > <srath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > Dear Goel sahib > > > > > > Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with > > shrishti or creation > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottama is vargottama †" it simply means the best division. > > Debility may not be bad all the time. > > > > > > In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not > > debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise > > from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in > > billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing > > substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. > > No fun in life. > > > > > > [Garga Muni’s teachings] > > > > > > > > > > > > With Warm Regards, > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > > > > > www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, > > www.sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937@] > > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>; Ramdas > > Hosabettu > > > Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest <Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest%40> > > ; > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>; > > ancient indian astrology; Chubb > > Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji, > > > > > > You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama. > > > > > > Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa > > happen to be > > > > > > its sign of debility , it may not be that effective. > > > > > > This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its > > sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered. > > > > > > But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets > > auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points, > > > > > > the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into > > account. > > > > > > On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava > > placement) or in Puskar Navamsa, > > > > > > it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness > > is taken away if it suffers > > > > > > some infirmity as suggested by Parasara. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Respected Neelam Ji, Namate, May i request you throw some light on RAHU and KETU as well. in the same line what you have explained here and in your article... Appreciate and value your contributions as always.. With regards and respect Chandu2Chill , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Gaurav ji and group, I do not know what is the origin of this thread as Goel ji is always cross posting on forums. But now that there is a discussion on exaltation/debilitation, let us prbe further. Have you ever wondered about the specific degrees and their dignity in shodashvargas? And the info they give us about the karkatwas of planets? These are the observations on varga positions of planets at their degree of exaltation/deb. (I'll upload the table in files section). - Sun, the soul, debilitates in vamshamsh whether in exaltation or debilitation in rashi chart. - An exalted moon remains exalted in D-4, but debilitates in D-7 whereas a deb moon is good for children getting exalted in saptamsh. Why an exalted moon behaves inimically in all vergas? - Mars is very important in D-7, remaining exalted in saptamsh, whereas a deb mars is also deb in D-7. An exalted mars fares well in most departments and is never in any inimical or deb sign. - Now look at mercury, deb mercury seems to do better for D-4, D-12 and D-60 while an exalted mercury fails in these departments. - An exalted jup is generally good in all departments, specially in D- 4. And whther exalted or deb. Jupiter it promotes spirituality, being exalted in vimsamsh. - Coming to venus, it seems to govern, with mars, the saptamsh and navmansha, the only planet when exalted, remains exalted in navamsh and saptamsh. - Take a look at Saturn. A deb Saturn might be a good idea. An exalted Saturn does badly in important areas of home (d-4), spouse (d-9) and work (d-10) while a debilitated Saturn exalts in these. Any clues? Hope this will throw open many new lines of thought and we will be able to integrate these in the preditive. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Dear learned members of Forum, I also do not know when the tthread stared. I shall like to add what I know to the members of the forum. Pushkaramsha The Pushkaramsha planet is seen in navamsha chart. The Pushkaramsha planet is equal to Vargottam planet. · If a planet is posited in Agni tatva sign (Aries, Leo and Sagittarius) in Rashi chart and posited in Libra or Sagittarius sign in Navamsha, it is called that the planet is posited Pushkaramsha i.e. 7th and 9th navamsha. · If posited in Prithvi tatva sign (Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn) in rashi chart and , posited in Pisces or Taurus sign in navamsha i.e.5th and 3rd navamsha. · If posited in Vayu tatva (Gemini, Libra, Aquarius) in rashi chart and Pisces or Taurus in navamsha i.e. 6th and 8th navamsha. · If posited in Jala tatva (Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces) sign in rashi chart, posited in Cancer or Virgo sing in navamsha i.e. 1st and 3rd navamsha. So there are 24 Pushkaramsha in navamsha chart and two in each sigh. Vargottam When a planet is posited in the same sign in Rashi chart and Navamsha chart, it is called Vargottam. If a planet is vargottam, its results are increased. But if the planet is in its own sign in navamsha, its results are increased, but less than vargottam. If a malefic planet is vargottam, its malefic results become less. If posited in its own sign, its malefic results are normal. If posited in enemy’s sign, its malefic results increased. If the lord of the sign of navamsha is strong, the native enjoys the results of the navamsha. (Phaldeepika, shlok17, chapter 18) It is not clear that “Lord of navamsha is strong†The lord of navamsha should be strong in Rashi chart or in Navamsha? If Mars is vargottam in Aries it is auspicious being in own sign. Sun vargottam in Aries is highly auspicious being exalted vargottam. Saturn vargottam in Aries is malefic being in debilitated sign. So please see auspicious or malefic vargottam. See the vargottam is in chara or sthira or dwisvabhava sign. One should note that the vargottam planet s posited in exalted, own, friends, kendra trine or debilitated, enemy’s sign, 6th, 8th, or 12th navamsha. The results will be according to the strength of the planet. It is important to note the vargottam of Lagna and Moon. According to Lagna Chandrika, If the lagna is vargottam and lagna lord is posited in kendra or trine in rashi chart or a benefic planet is posited in navamsha lagna, a king is born. A vargottam planet in any house should have 30 or more bindu in Sarvaashtaka varga to enhance the good results. When vargottam planet has 20 or less bindu, in SAV the results are malefic. When a vargottam planet is debilitated vargottam it gives malefic results. See the chart of a female DOB March 26, 1971, birth at 1:20hrs, Delhi. She got operated for her uterus and appendage as her cyst got burst in the abdomen on 25th Jan, 2009. She was running Mercury/Rahu. Mercury is debilitated vargottam planet and posited in kendra in both charts in nakshtra of Revati and has 25 bindu in SAV and lord of 7th Thanks and regards--- On Fri, 2/20/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Pushkara and vargottama Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 3:07 PM Dear Gaurav ji and group,I do not know what is the origin of this thread as Goel ji is always cross posting on forums. But now that there is a discussion on exaltation/debilitation, let us prbe further. Have you ever wondered about the specific degrees and their dignity in shodashvargas? And the info they give us about the karkatwas of planets? These are the observations on varga positions of planets at their degree of exaltation/deb. (I'll upload the table in files section). Sun, the soul, debilitates in vamshamsh whether in exaltation or debilitation in rashi chart. An exalted moon remains exalted in D-4, but debilitates in D-7 whereas a deb moon is good for children getting exalted in saptamsh. Why an exalted moon behaves inimically in all vergas? Mars is very important in D-7, remaining exalted in saptamsh, whereas a deb mars is also deb in D-7. An exalted mars fares well in most departments and is never in any inimical or deb sign. Now look at mercury, deb mercury seems to do better for D-4, D-12 and D-60 while an exalted mercury fails in these departments. An exalted jup is generally good in all departments, specially in D-4. And whther exalted or deb. Jupiter it promotes spirituality, being exalted in vimsamsh. Coming to venus, it seems to govern, with mars, the saptamsh and navmansha, the only planet when exalted, remains exalted in navamsh and saptamsh. Take a look at Saturn. A deb Saturn might be a good idea. An exalted Saturn does badly in important areas of home (d-4), spouse (d-9) and work (d-10) while a debilitated Saturn exalts in these. Any clues? Hope this will throw open many new lines of thought and we will be able to integrate these in the preditive.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/20 <gaurav.ghosh ||Jai Ramakrishna||Dear Neelamji,Thank you for such a wonderful explanation...Since this forum is not meant to discuss individual charts, so I willdefinitely refrain from putting my birth details & break the forumrules & regulations!!Yes, debilitated planets have a meaning, not necessarily it has tohave a connotation of doing certain good/result in the "Raj Yoga" ormaterial gains...Shree Ramakrishna had 3 exalted planets, with Venus in 2nd house asexalted. Definitely any people looking at his chart,without having aprior knowledge of the native, will confer that this person must havegood wealth, when Shree Ramakrishna had wealth to offer, which waspurely spiritual.Vargas, Nakshatra occupied has a role to play.. & finally comes thegreat "Parasara Exception", of which I am sure, you know!So this kind of vague statement like real rajyogas take place when theplanets are debilitated is very generic statement.Yes, a person certainly make a good amount of wealth & fortune(boththrough moral & immoral means!!)having a debilitated, not necessarilythat planet will be responsible has to have a role to play in makingthis wealth.There may be those *other factors* as the learned people say...Gaurav. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Gaurav ji,> > I do not know your chart and cannot say what your debilitatedplanets are> doing there, but consider this:> > Two people are applying for the same job:> One with an exalted 2/6/10L will go with true credentials, speakhonestly,> and wait to get the job on merit.> One with a debilitated 2/6/10L will fake his credentials, boastshamelessly> and bribe his way to the job.> > Who gets the job in Kalyug, need not tell you. This is with oneplanet and> one department. If you have 3 or 4 such planets, then you win in all> departments. What if you you're sowing the wrong seeds for your nextlife?> Who cares? Now don't take it literally also, the planet's positionin rashi> is moderated by its varga dispositions.> > This is generally applying principles on desh-kaal-patra. No BPHS isneeded> in this. The dignity of planets has a meaning in esoteric, not much> significance when you're looking at material gains. That is whymalefics and> debilitated planets in upchay sthans are considered more useful for a> native.> Hope you get my point.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/2/20 <gaurav.ghosh > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > Dear Mr.Rath,> > //In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not> > debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise> > from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt.//> > Is it mentioned that hidden, secret BPHS, which is said to have been> > preserved by an Oriya family??(obviously yours....!!!)Or this is the> > most corrupted form of Parasari Astrology???> > I have 3 debilitated planets in rashi!!> > There had been no drastic rise from rags to riches & never felt the> > "effects of rajayoga".> > I would appreciate your reply.> > Thank you,> > Gaurav.> >> >> > --- In <%40>, > > "Sanjay Rath"> > <srath@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > om gurave namah> > >> > > Dear Goel sahib> > >> > > Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with> > shrishti or creation> > >> > >> > >> > > Vargottama is vargottama â€" it simply means the best division.> > Debility may not be bad all the time.> > >> > > In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not> > debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise> > from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in> > billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing> > substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes.> > No fun in life.> > >> > > [Garga Muni’s teachings]> > >> > >> > >> > > With Warm Regards,> > >> > > Sanjay Rath> > >> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> > >> > > www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org,> > www.sagittariuspublications.com> > >> > > Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/> > >> > >> > >> > > Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937@]> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>; Ramdas> > Hosabettu> > > Cc:Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest <Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest%40>> > ;> > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>; > > ancient indian astrology; Chubb> > Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath> > > Subject:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji,> > >> > > You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or ucchaVargottama.> > >> > > Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa> > happen to be> > >> > > its sign of debility , it may not be that effective.> > >> > > This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its> > sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered.> > >> > > But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets> > auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points,> > >> > > the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into> > account.> > >> > > On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava> > placement) or in Puskar Navamsa,> > >> > > it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness> > is taken away if it suffers> > >> > > some infirmity as suggested by Parasara.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > > G.K.GOEL> > > Ph: 09350311433> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > INDIA> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Dear Sanjay Rath ji, It is good to see you here. Welcome to this group. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "Sanjay Rath" <srath wrote:>> om gurave namah> > Dear Goel sahib> > Nica Pushkara has completely different meaning. It has to do with shrishti or creation> > > > Vargottama is vargottama â€" it simply means the best division. Debility may not be bad all the time.> > In Kali Yuga real räjayoga effects are not felt if a planet is not debilitated in räshi or navasha at least. Then there is drastic rise from rags to riches and the effects of räjayoga are felt. One born in billions and dying in billions is not seeing any changes. Nothing substantial is happening in life. It just is the same without changes. No fun in life.> > [Garga Muni’s teachings]> > > > With Warm Regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:07 PM> sohamsa ; Ramdas Hosabettu> Cc: Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; vedic astrology ; ancient indian astrology; Chubb Phyllis; Ramadas Rao; Sanjay Rath> > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji,> > You are right, but there is a difference in Neecha or uccha Vargottama.> > Similarly , if a planet is in Puskar Navamsa , and that Navamsa happen to be > > its sign of debility , it may not be that effective.> > This is the reason that when Plenary strength is calculated , its sign of exaltation or debilitation are considered.> > But , as Vimsopaka Bala indicates the degree of planets auspiciousness on a scale of 20 points,> > the planets exaltation and debilitation signs are not taken into account.> > On one hand if a planet is in Vargottama (by sign or bhava placement) or in Puskar Navamsa,> > it becomes capable to confer good results , but some auspiciousness is taken away if it suffers > > some infirmity as suggested by Parasara.> > Regards,> > > G.K.GOEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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