Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Dear Kursija-ji & Sreenadh-ji, The vernacular Ramayana I studied long back mentions that all planets were in captivity and Shani was even tied up with a chain ! The only other plausible explanation could be that ......... The movement of all planets were tracked by some system and the mean position of planets were within a very close range from the reference points ... (which may give the impression of limited mobility of planets - to the uninitiateds). Once that system was made dysfunctional by Hanuman, it was difficult for Ravana to rectify it within short span of time. BTW, Hanuman is also known as Maruti / Maruthi ..which may indicate desert storm too. (Maru -- desert, Marut - wind).Hanuman obscured Sun earlier in his childhood. Although Lanka may not had any desert. regards P L Chakraborty Sreenadh [sreesog] Monday, February 02, 2009 2:13 PM Re: Astrology of Ravana and Hanuman Dear Kursija ji, ==> .. " Ravana made nine planets his slave " means that Ravana has the knowledge of astronomy to such an extent that he knows all the calculations of movements of planets and up-planers and its influence on the human and universe as if they were his slaves. " liberation of nine planets from the slavery of Ravana " means that Hanuman confused Ravana in its calculations of movements and influence of planets that he made wrong calculations and decisions and lost the war. The remaining portion of propitiate the Hanuman and have the blessing of all nine planets is trade gimmicks of pandits for their business. <== That is an excellent interpretation!!! It is also interesting to note that - * There is a system of astrology connected with the name of Ravana - a tradition that is represented by the texts like Ravana Samhita. * There is a system of astrology connected with the name of Hanuman - a tradition that is represented by the systems such as Hanuman Jyotisham. [No consolidated book corrently available for the same, but only a scattered tradition of some lone quotes] * There is a system of astrology connected with the name of Sugreeva - a tradition that is represented by the system such as Sugreeva Jyotisham. [No consolidated book corrently available for the same, but only a scattered tradition of some lone quotes] True - it seems that they were all masters of some unique tradition of astronomy/astrology in some remote past. Thanks for sharing the thought. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Dear Robert Patrick, > I agree with you that it is said in Ramayana that Ravan has control over nine planets and Hanuman saved the navagraha. Please keep in mind that what ever has been said in Ramayana or other mythological books is in symbolic form. You have to under stand the meaning of that symbol as we do in case of icons in computer. What is the meaning of ten heads of Ravana? Why Rama selected the army of monkey like persons as soldiers? What is the meaning of that the Ravana has made nine planets as his slaves? and so on. Ravana has ten heads means (according to my understanding, though more research is needed) that Ravana was so intelligent that his intelligence was equal to ten intelligent persons i.e. very intelligent. The Money like persons as soldiers in the army of Rama who belong to the family of a king, who knows the use of armory, artillery and missiles etc, Money like persons means illiterate, untrained tribe persons who were healthy, faithful and brave > persons and needs little means to live upon. It also teaches that wars are won by such soldiers who are healthy, faithful and brave though not fully trained. . " Ravana made nine planets his slave " means that Ravana has the knowledge of astronomy to such an extent that he knows all the calculations of movements of planets and up-planers and its influence on the human and universe as if they were his slaves. " liberation of nine planets from the slavery of Ravana " means that Hanuman confused Ravana in its calculations of movements and influence of planets that he made wrong calculations and decisions and lost the war. > The remaining portion of propitiate the Hanuman and have the blessing of all nine planets is trade gimmicks of pandits for their business. > If my views have hurt any feeling of any reader I beg pardon from him.These are my own views. > Regards > > > > Sat, 1/31/09, Robert Partick robertpartick wrote: > > Robert Partick robertpartick > Hanuman > > Saturday, January 31, 2009, 10:39 PM > > > Greetings All, > I recently came across a story from the Ramayana where Hanuman saves the Navagrahas from Ravana's clutches during the war. In return the Navagrahas grant Hanuman the boon that any devotee who prays to Hanuman automatically gets the reprieve from the ille effects of the planets. I'd like to know the opinions of the gurus on this forum. > Any thoughts? > Om Namaha Shivaya, > Bob > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Dear Chakraborty ji, ==>The movement of all planets were tracked by some system and the mean position of planets were within a very close range from the reference points ... (which may give the impression of limited mobility of planets - to the uninitiateds).<== Do you want to say that - "Ravana might have followed Nirayana system of astrology and Hanuman might have followed Sayana system of astrology"? And also that Hanuman succeeded in erring Ravana in his predictive system, and that is why the story? Quite possible. Any way we don't have any evidence regarding all this but only can do some guess work. :)Tail Piece: 1--------------- Software Terminology: It seems that Ravana 10.0 was a good program but installing Hanuman 1.0 crashed him. Tail Piece: 2--------------- * "Rakshasa" (cruel?) is an ancient term used. But when reversed (just like So-Ham:Ham-Sa) it reads, Sakshara, meaning "Literate", one who knew alphabets and the reading writing system!!! * The vedic people depended on Sruti (heard) knowledge, indicating that possibly they don't had any writing system in that ancient past. They were called "Deva" (devine?) which when reversed reads "Vada", meaning "Argumentative"!!!! Some times, things are very cute, when looked from a different perspective. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Kursija-ji & Sreenadh-ji,> > The vernacular Ramayana I studied long back mentions that> all planets were in captivity and Shani was even tied up with> a chain !> > The only other plausible explanation could be that .........> > The movement of all planets were tracked by some system and> the mean position of planets were within a very close range from> the reference points ... (which may give the impression of limited> mobility of planets - to the uninitiateds).> > Once that system was made dysfunctional by Hanuman, it was difficult > for Ravana to rectify it within short span of time.> > BTW, Hanuman is also known as Maruti / Maruthi ..which may indicate> desert storm too. (Maru -- desert, Marut - wind).Hanuman obscured Sun > earlier in his childhood. Although Lanka may not had any desert.> > regards> > P L Chakraborty> > > > > Sreenadh [sreesog]> Monday, February 02, 2009 2:13 PM> > Re: Astrology of Ravana and Hanuman> > > > Dear Kursija ji, > ==>> ."Ravana made nine planets his slave" means that Ravana has the knowledge of> astronomy to such an extent that he knows all the calculations of movements> of planets and up-planers and its influence on the human and universe as if> they were his slaves. "liberation of nine planets from the slavery of> Ravana" means that Hanuman confused Ravana in its calculations of movements> and influence of planets that he made wrong calculations and decisions and> lost the war. > > The remaining portion of propitiate the Hanuman and have the blessing of all> nine planets is trade gimmicks of pandits for their business.> <==> That is an excellent interpretation!!! It is also interesting to note> that - > * There is a system of astrology connected with the name of Ravana - a> tradition that is represented by the texts like Ravana Samhita. > * There is a system of astrology connected with the name of Hanuman - a> tradition that is represented by the systems such as Hanuman Jyotisham. [No> consolidated book corrently available for the same, but only a scattered> tradition of some lone quotes]> * There is a system of astrology connected with the name of Sugreeva - a> tradition that is represented by the system such as Sugreeva Jyotisham. [No> consolidated book corrently available for the same, but only a scattered> tradition of some lone quotes]> True - it seems that they were all masters of some unique tradition of> astronomy/astrology in some remote past. > Thanks for sharing the thought. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "S.C. Kursija"> sckursija@ wrote:> >> > Dear Robert Patrick,> > I agree with you that it is said in Ramayana that Ravan has control over> nine planets and Hanuman saved the navagraha. Please keep in mind that what> ever has been said in Ramayana or other mythological books is in symbolic> form. You have to under stand the meaning of that symbol as we do in case of> icons in computer. What is the meaning of ten heads of Ravana? Why Rama> selected the army of monkey like persons as soldiers? What is the meaning of> that the Ravana has made nine planets as his slaves? and so on. Ravana has> ten heads means (according to my understanding, though more research is> needed) that Ravana was so intelligent that his intelligence was equal to> ten intelligent persons i.e. very intelligent. The Money like persons as> soldiers in the army of Rama who belong to the family of a king, who knows> the use of armory, artillery and missiles etc, Money like persons means> illiterate, untrained tribe persons who were healthy, faithful and brave> > persons and needs little means to live upon. It also teaches that wars are> won by such soldiers who are healthy, faithful and brave though not fully> trained. ."Ravana made nine planets his slave" means that Ravana has the> knowledge of astronomy to such an extent that he knows all the calculations> of movements of planets and up-planers and its influence on the human and> universe as if they were his slaves. "liberation of nine planets from the> slavery of Ravana" means that Hanuman confused Ravana in its calculations of> movements and influence of planets that he made wrong calculations and> decisions and lost the war. > > The remaining portion of propitiate the Hanuman and have the blessing of> all nine planets is trade gimmicks of pandits for their business.> > If my views have hurt any feeling of any reader I beg pardon from> him.These are my own views.> > Regards> > > > > > > > Sat, 1/31/09, Robert Partick robertpartick@ wrote:> > > > Robert Partick robertpartick@> > Hanuman> > > > Saturday, January 31, 2009, 10:39 PM> > > > > > Greetings All,> > I recently came across a story from the Ramayana where Hanuman saves the> Navagrahas from Ravana's clutches during the war. In return the Navagrahas> grant Hanuman the boon that any devotee who prays to Hanuman automatically> gets the reprieve from the ille effects of the planets. I'd like to know the> opinions of the gurus on this forum.> > Any thoughts?> > Om Namaha Shivaya,> > Bob> > > >> > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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