Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Dear Respected and learned friends, I want to write a research article on hyper-active children who have no concentration power and can not sit without activity for a moment.I have only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can provide some charts for the same with some details. Thanks and regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Kursija, I think connection between planets like Sun, Mars to Lagna/Lord/Moon are important for such activity. Actually these are *side-effects* of rajoguna as Shree Krishna said in Gita..chapter 14, Guna trayo bibhag yoga.Sun & Mars are rajoguna by nature. Yes. I have 1/2 charts where the *hyperactive children* have no concentration power, but always active. Date of birth is June 6, 1991, time of birth 11:40 am, Kolkata. Very angry, cannot concentrate. Cannot control his mind,his thoughts are always jumping from one to another. Sometimes, from sports to television etc. Thank you, . , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Dear Respected and learned friends, > > I want to write a research article on hyper-active children who have no concentration power and can not sit without activity for a moment.I have only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can provide some charts for the same with some details. > Thanks and regards. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear and Respected kursija, Son of my friend is such a canse. They live in USA, I would ask him to provide me the data. And I will forward it to your kindself. Asim--- On Sun, 1/25/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote: S.C. Kursija <sckursija Data wanted"A.V. Sunderam" <avsundaram, "Ancient_astrology" , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises, "Daya Shankar" <daya542001, "Dr. Roopa Vohra" <roopas81, "Gopal Goel" <gkgoel1937, "K. RangaChari" <krchari, "mahendra Nath Kedar" <mnkedar, "poonam Sachdeva" <sachdevapoonam, "Roopa Vohra" <drroopavohra, "S.N.. kAPOOR" <sn_kapoor, "Sreenadh" <sreelid, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala, "Vandana Sharma" <vandanaasharmaSunday, January 25, 2009, 6:57 PM Dear Respected and learned friends,I want to write a research article on hyper-active children who have no concentration power and can not sit without activity for a moment.I have only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can provide some charts for the same with some details.Thanks and regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Kursija ji, The child in this case is a hyperactive child who is a nuisance to his family members, to his classmates and to his teachers. His parents have been given warning several times at school that he would be expelled, and they have been asked to take him away and put him in some rehabilation type school. He will beat anybody whom he does not like, he is too moody and to himself, talks to himself is busy with his own things. He does not like to do any school studies and cannot write legibly too. But you teach him a magic stunt and he will remember this within minutes and relicate the magic. His concentration power is superb, but only in things and objects he likes, and not in what other normal children of his age do and like. His parents are very much worried about his future as he sometimes behaves normally and sometimes like a retarded child. he remembers all the catoon figures of the programmes on TV like POGO etc. he also emulates them and talks like them, but otherwise behaves very much unpredictably. I will call him unstable and abnormal in todays world. 15/2/99 08.07am Jaipur. regards, Bhaskar. , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Dear Respected and learned friends, > > I want to write a research article on hyper-active children who have no concentration power and can not sit without activity for a moment.I have only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can provide some charts for the same with some details. > Thanks and regards. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,That reminds me of Taare Zamin Par!Are we talking of dyslexia? Creative abilities and learning disabilities!It could be an interesting case to study.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Neelamji, I am not much educated, so do not understand the word 'dyslexia' . Yes but the child is exactly like the boy in that movie. His father is a very big business man, and his mother too is a very busy and dynamic young lady. Both are born socialites. And both of them have not had much time to give their child, through his birth. Though they have now started giving him few hours daily but not able to compensate . This boy has got exactly what you said " Creative abilities and learning disabilities! " Just see if you can help them. regards, Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > That reminds me of Taare Zamin Par! > Are we talking of dyslexia? Creative abilities and learning disabilities! > > It could be an interesting case to study. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,The boy is born in 6L moon's MD in 12H which is afflicted by all the malefics, neecha saturn, mars and R/K.He got moon-mer just after his birth. Mercury being the 8L in lagna. Hence his mind and logic perhaps have not developed properly. Mars is again aspected by saturn and does not get support from any benefic, hence Mars MD was also not supportive. But the hope exists in the beautiful placement of Jupiter in pisces which shows the inherent strength and wisdom. Now with Rahu's dasha in 2010, if efforts are made, the boy will pick up as Jupiter aspects Rahu and 10H. In navamsha also Juiter signifies creativity and intellect. Rahu in 6H is very good for augmentation of studies and intelligence. You must've seen his chart also. What is your opinion on this? After Rahu, Jupiter's period also indicates betterment.My best wishes for the child and his parents.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Bhaskar Ji, I also had the same experience till 12th standard + 2 years. After that I realized that children my age have moved too far ahead than me and somehow managed to be back in the main stream again. I realized that I might have Dyslexia. Since my Mother is a very Pious lady, no body advised me however I started chanting "OM NAMAH SHIVAYAH" & was back on track and moved ahead my peers. Warm Regards Amit Nakai Bhaskar Monday, January 26, 2009 9:38 PM Re: Data wanted Dear Kursija ji,The child in this case is a hyperactive child who is a nuisance to hisfamily members, to his classmates and to his teachers. His parents havebeen given warning several times at school that he would be expelled,and they have been asked to take him away and put him in somerehabilation type school. He will beat anybody whom he does not like, heis too moody and to himself, talks to himself is busy with his ownthings. He does not like to do any school studies and cannot writelegibly too. But you teach him a magic stunt and he will remember thiswithin minutes and relicate the magic. His concentration power issuperb, but only in things and objects he likes, and not in what othernormal children of his age do and like. His parents are very muchworried about his future as he sometimes behaves normally and sometimeslike a retarded child. he remembers all the catoon figures of theprogrammes on TV like POGO etc. he also emulates them and talks likethem, but otherwise behaves very much unpredictably. I will call himunstable and abnormal in todays world.15/2/99 08.07am Jaipur.regards,Bhaskar. , "S.C. Kursija"<sckursija wrote:>> Dear Respected and learned friends,>> I want to write a research article on hyper-active children who haveno concentration power and can not sit without activity for a moment.Ihave only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can provide somecharts for the same with some details.> Thanks and regards.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Amit ji,Do you also have an afflicted moon/mer with moon and mercury connected with saturn?? Dasha at birth also connected with moon, saturn or mercury??RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Amit ji, Alls well that ends well. You are fortunate to have a pious mother and the name of Shankar Bhagwaan with you, is the most precious treasure that one could ever hope for. regards, Bhaskar. , " Amit Nakai " <amit.nakai wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > I also had the same experience till 12th standard + 2 years. > > After that I realized that children my age have moved too far ahead than me and somehow managed to be back in the main stream again. > > I realized that I might have Dyslexia. > Since my Mother is a very Pious lady, no body advised me however I started chanting " OM NAMAH SHIVAYAH " & was back on track and moved ahead my peers. > > > Warm Regards > Amit Nakai > > > Bhaskar > Monday, January 26, 2009 9:38 PM > > Re: Data wanted > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > The child in this case is a hyperactive child who is a nuisance to his > family members, to his classmates and to his teachers. His parents have > been given warning several times at school that he would be expelled, > and they have been asked to take him away and put him in some > rehabilation type school. He will beat anybody whom he does not like, he > is too moody and to himself, talks to himself is busy with his own > things. He does not like to do any school studies and cannot write > legibly too. But you teach him a magic stunt and he will remember this > within minutes and relicate the magic. His concentration power is > superb, but only in things and objects he likes, and not in what other > normal children of his age do and like. His parents are very much > worried about his future as he sometimes behaves normally and sometimes > like a retarded child. he remembers all the catoon figures of the > programmes on TV like POGO etc. he also emulates them and talks like > them, but otherwise behaves very much unpredictably. I will call him > unstable and abnormal in todays world. > > 15/2/99 08.07am Jaipur. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > , " S.C. Kursija " > sckursija@ wrote: > > > > Dear Respected and learned friends, > > > > I want to write a research article on hyper-active children who have > no concentration power and can not sit without activity for a moment.I > have only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can provide some > charts for the same with some details. > > Thanks and regards. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Neelamji, I shall wait for Shri Goeljis opinions once he studies this chart. All I can say, is that I have a good hope for this chart in future, for spiritual attainments, as far as I remember having studied this chart a year ago. regards/Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > The boy is born in 6L moon's MD in 12H which is afflicted by all the > malefics, neecha saturn, mars and R/K. > He got moon-mer just after his birth. Mercury being the 8L in lagna. Hence > his mind and logic perhaps have not developed properly. Mars is again > aspected by saturn and does not get support from any benefic, hence Mars MD > was also not supportive. > > But the hope exists in the beautiful placement of Jupiter in pisces which > shows the inherent strength and wisdom. Now with Rahu's dasha in 2010, if > efforts are made, the boy will pick up as Jupiter aspects Rahu and 10H. In > navamsha also Juiter signifies creativity and intellect. Rahu in 6H is very > good for augmentation of studies and intelligence. > > You must've seen his chart also. What is your opinion on this? After Rahu, > Jupiter's period also indicates betterment. > > My best wishes for the child and his parents. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, I have Moon (Neecha) in Scorpio in 3rd house. Me-Ve in 5th House of Sa aspected by Sa from 11th House. Though Mo is not aspected by Sa, however Mo is in Anurahda (Star of Sa) Warm Regards Amit Nakai neelam gupta Monday, January 26, 2009 10:35 PM Re: Re: Data wanted Dear Amit ji,Do you also have an afflicted moon/mer with moon and mercury connected with saturn?? Dasha at birth also connected with moon, saturn or mercury??RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Amit ji,It is generally seen that Moon and Mercury connected with saturn, with dasha also of moon/saturn at birth, generally make the child a slow learner initially, even though he may be intelligent. Of course, the intensity of affliction has to be judged and result moderated accordingly. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, Thanks for the information regarding affliction of Moon & Mercury. Is the human intelligence only guided by Mercury, does Rahu also signify some intelligence for a living being. I heard one PHD in astrology stating that Me & Ra signify budhi. Both signify different aspects of budhi. What if Ra is also aspected by Sa. Warm Regards Amit Nakai neelam gupta Monday, January 26, 2009 11:34 PM Re: Re: Data wanted Dear Amit ji, It is generally seen that Moon and Mercury connected with saturn, with dasha also of moon/saturn at birth, generally make the child a slow learner initially, even though he may be intelligent. Of course, the intensity of affliction has to be judged and result moderated accordingly. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dear Amit ji,Rahu as such does not signify budhi. It however signifies great prowess which can amplify budhi to a great extent if it is suitably placed. In any case Rahu amplifies whatever it is associated with, be it good or bad. Rahu is said to be unconventional and technical, so the budhi will be applied to these aspects. An astrologer, if guided by rahu by placement and dasha, would be more fascinated by unconventional and non-traditional approaches, western methods etc, rather than the traditional studies. And he would try to be an 'astrology technocrat'. That is the use of budhi in a particular way. For that matter, all planets have their role to play in directing the budhi. But it is mercury, the karak who reflects this budhi through moon. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Namaste Mr. Kursija ji, Normally everyone has concentration....it is only that their concentration is at odd with what parents or office or friends think about......depending upon the age group.......like if LL in 3H would make the native to chase his hobbies....if in 9H little more inclined towards spirituality or foreign inclinations / likings, if LL in 12H would 12H cannot sit at one place......need continuous breaks for every 15-30 mins.....LL in 6H or 8H....slow to grasping / understand for they do get the superficial message of the words....but they tend to delve more that ...hence it may appear that they are slower...........in all such cases....good to see the mutual placement of the Moon. It is not often that LL & Moon are conjunct....to give a confirmed opinion..... navamsa positions must also be seen for its moderation. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Namaste Neelam ji, I have earlier shared a hororscope of a female in a different context & subject, with combinations mentioned by you....... Gemini Lagna Moon + Saturn (exalt) conjunct. Mercury conjunct with Sun & Ketu- in " Scissors " yoga - Shubh or Paap {Good or Bad}..is a interpretation view. i.e. Moon+Saturn behind, Jupiter+Venus ahead. This female is a slow and fast learner.....by nature slow...but competitive spirit is so strong...that she puts in hardwork to become fast in other's eyes...!! Conclusion : Agree to the view points.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Namaste Sreeram ji,I feel that saturn dasha in the initial years contributes to making of a TORTOISE, slow but steady, tough and hardworking and a winner ultimately. Provided the chart is fortified otherwise, say a good jupiter which is a boon in such cases. Then a strong 5H, as in this case, an exalted saturn, who is also bhagyesh, gives results after the hurdles in 8H. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, Thanks for the good explanation. Warm Regards Amit Nakai neelam gupta Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:31 AM Re:Data wanted Dear Amit ji,Rahu as such does not signify budhi. It however signifies great prowess which can amplify budhi to a great extent if it is suitably placed. In any case Rahu amplifies whatever it is associated with, be it good or bad. Rahu is said to be unconventional and technical, so the budhi will be applied to these aspects. An astrologer, if guided by rahu by placement and dasha, would be more fascinated by unconventional and non-traditional approaches, western methods etc, rather than the traditional studies. And he would try to be an 'astrology technocrat'. That is the use of budhi in a particular way. For that matter, all planets have their role to play in directing the budhi. But it is mercury, the karak who reflects this budhi through moon.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Respected Bhaskar, Thanks for the data. In medical terms it is called ADHD attention deficit hyperactive disorder. Dyslexia is only learning disability. Ms Neelam ji has given astrological reasons for the same. But I will not Analise the chart at present. I shall like to see some number of the charts and try to arrive at some conclusion for the same and try to find some natural and environmental method to make the children to adjust the life and some comfort to the parents as I have done for Autism child. Regards --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Data wanted > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 9:38 PM > Dear Kursija ji, > > The child in this case is a hyperactive child who is a > nuisance to his > family members, to his classmates and to his teachers. His > parents have > been given warning several times at school that he would be > expelled, > and they have been asked to take him away and put him in > some > rehabilation type school. He will beat anybody whom he does > not like, he > is too moody and to himself, talks to himself is busy with > his own > things. He does not like to do any school studies and > cannot write > legibly too. But you teach him a magic stunt and he will > remember this > within minutes and relicate the magic. His concentration > power is > superb, but only in things and objects he likes, and not in > what other > normal children of his age do and like. His parents are > very much > worried about his future as he sometimes behaves normally > and sometimes > like a retarded child. he remembers all the catoon figures > of the > programmes on TV like POGO etc. he also emulates them and > talks like > them, but otherwise behaves very much unpredictably. I will > call him > unstable and abnormal in todays world. > > 15/2/99 08.07am Jaipur. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > , " S.C. > Kursija " > <sckursija wrote: > > > > Dear Respected and learned friends, > > > > I want to write a research article on hyper-active > children who have > no concentration power and can not sit without activity for > a moment.I > have only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can > provide some > charts for the same with some details. > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dear Sreeram Sriniwas, Thanks for the reply and advice. I shall keep these points in my mind whild analyzing the charts. Regards. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 > Re: Data wanted > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:26 PM > Namaste Mr. Kursija ji, > > Normally everyone has concentration....it is only that > their > concentration is at odd with what parents or office or > friends think > about......depending upon the age group.......like if LL in > 3H would > make the native to chase his hobbies....if in 9H little > more inclined > towards spirituality or foreign inclinations / likings, if > LL in 12H > would 12H cannot sit at one place......need continuous > breaks for every > 15-30 mins.....LL in 6H or 8H....slow to grasping / > understand for they > do get the superficial message of the words....but they > tend to delve > more that ...hence it may appear that they are > slower...........in all > such cases....good to see the mutual placement of the Moon. > It is not > often that LL & Moon are conjunct....to give a > confirmed opinion..... > navamsa positions must also be seen for its moderation. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dear Asim sahibzada, Thanks for the efforts. I wait for the data.--- On Mon, 1/26/09, asim sahibzada <dilse_asim wrote: asim sahibzada <dilse_asimRe: Data wanted Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 8:31 PM Dear and Respected kursija, Son of my friend is such a canse. They live in USA, I would ask him to provide me the data. And I will forward it to your kindself. Asim--- On Sun, 1/25/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote: S.C. Kursija <sckursija Data wanted"A.V. Sunderam" <avsundaram, "Ancient_astrology" , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises, "Daya Shankar" <daya542001, "Dr. Roopa Vohra" <roopas81, "Gopal Goel" <gkgoel1937, "K. RangaChari" <krchari, "mahendra Nath Kedar" <mnkedar, "poonam Sachdeva" <sachdevapoonam, "Roopa Vohra" <drroopavohra, "S.N.. kAPOOR" <sn_kapoor, "Sreenadh" <sreelid, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala, "Vandana Sharma" <vandanaasharmaSunday, January 25, 2009, 6:57 PM Dear Respected and learned friends,I want to write a research article on hyper-active children who have no concentration power and can not sit without activity for a moment.I have only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can provide some charts for the same with some details.Thanks and regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Respected , Thanks for the data. I shall like to have the data for the another char also. Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dear Shri Kursija ji, The child is a resident of New Delhi. You may take your time and advise accordingly, so that I can inform the parents of the child when you do so. They are my close relatives so I bear their welfare to my heart. kind regards, Bhaskar. , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Respected Bhaskar, > Thanks for the data. In medical terms it is called ADHD attention deficit hyperactive disorder. Dyslexia is only learning disability. Ms Neelam ji has given astrological reasons for the same. But I will not Analise the chart at present. I shall like to see some number of the charts and try to arrive at some conclusion for the same and try to find some natural and environmental method to make the children to adjust the life and some comfort to the parents as I have done for Autism child. > Regards > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Re: Data wanted > > > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 9:38 PM > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > The child in this case is a hyperactive child who is a > > nuisance to his > > family members, to his classmates and to his teachers. His > > parents have > > been given warning several times at school that he would be > > expelled, > > and they have been asked to take him away and put him in > > some > > rehabilation type school. He will beat anybody whom he does > > not like, he > > is too moody and to himself, talks to himself is busy with > > his own > > things. He does not like to do any school studies and > > cannot write > > legibly too. But you teach him a magic stunt and he will > > remember this > > within minutes and relicate the magic. His concentration > > power is > > superb, but only in things and objects he likes, and not in > > what other > > normal children of his age do and like. His parents are > > very much > > worried about his future as he sometimes behaves normally > > and sometimes > > like a retarded child. he remembers all the catoon figures > > of the > > programmes on TV like POGO etc. he also emulates them and > > talks like > > them, but otherwise behaves very much unpredictably. I will > > call him > > unstable and abnormal in todays world. > > > > 15/2/99 08.07am Jaipur. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. > > Kursija " > > sckursija@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Respected and learned friends, > > > > > > I want to write a research article on hyper-active > > children who have > > no concentration power and can not sit without activity for > > a moment.I > > have only a few horoscopes. I shall be glad if you can > > provide some > > charts for the same with some details. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Kursija, You are most welcome.However, I forgot to include the 4th house/4L as well, with Moon & Lagna/LL. The other data I have is as follows:- Nov 10, 1978,place-kolkata, 8:00:27. He cannot concentrate well, always thinks that his parents dont love him & neglect him. He is poor in studies as well, though he studied in a reputed school of Kolkata. Also born in a very well-to-do aristocratic family, seems to ignore his family members. However, he was very close to his grandfather, who passed away last year. I hope this helps. Thank you, . , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Respected , > Thanks for the data. I shall like to have the data for the another char also. > Regards. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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