Re:Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath Doubts

January 23, 2009

Dear grp,

Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter in kanyadanam.

He repeats the sloka saying

" I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in marriage to,

Sri So and so on this day etc "

Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in marriage to

so and so whose name is so and so......

In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is valid or not?

Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?

Tatvam- Asi

As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama becaqme 44th

president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can we in

validate this event as per constitution?

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> hare ramakrishna

>

> dear grp

>

> astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on time of

> happening ( those who want pls remebr story of bhaskaracharya's

> daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as those days

water

> clocks were using for measurin time )

>

> so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as it is

>

> this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's

>

> so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who

interested

> can post it for view and discussion in grp

>

> i will tell my opinions on change of time later

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , " nameisego "

> <nameisego@> wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> >

> > The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as void

> > because change in wording does not take away sentiment or meaning

> > expressed there in.

> >

> > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

>

January 23, 2009

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,

Today morning I was just going through this matter i.e. one becomes a

president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a president after the

oath of office??

Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after taking an oath,

while 20th amendment says, one is president, by default, so here the

question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat supercedes the

importance of oath.

Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in the name of

public, means that from now onwards you are going to execute your

power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes an authority for

the position he has been given.

I noted another member saying that we should consider that time when

he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.

Thank you,

.

, " nameisego "

<nameisego wrote:

>

> Dear grp,

>

> Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter in kanyadanam.

> He repeats the sloka saying

> " I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in marriage to,

> Sri So and so on this day etc "

> Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in marriage to

> so and so whose name is so and so......

>

> In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is valid or not?

> Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?

>

> Tatvam- Asi

>

> As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama becaqme 44th

> president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can we in

> validate this event as per constitution?

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > hare ramakrishna

> >

> > dear grp

> >

> > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on time of

> > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of bhaskaracharya's

> > daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as those days

> water

> > clocks were using for measurin time )

> >

> > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as it is

> >

> > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's

> >

> > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who

> interested

> > can post it for view and discussion in grp

> >

> > i will tell my opinions on change of time later

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > , " nameisego "

> > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Friends,

> > >

> > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as void

> > > because change in wording does not take away sentiment or meaning

> > > expressed there in.

> > >

> > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> >

>

January 23, 2009

On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts administered the presidential oath a second time to President Obama "out of an abundance of caution," according to the White House, due to the fact that, when the oath was administered to President Obama the first time, in the public inauguration ceremony, the word "faithfully" was misplaced. The second oath was administered in a simple, private ceremony in the Map Room of the White House.[11][20][21][22] Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his predecessors' in that the private ceremony happened after the public one.

Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President of the United States as the forty-fourth President of the United States at 19:35 EST, January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) (Duration: 54 seconds)

THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same

regrds sunil nair

, "" <gaurav.ghosh wrote:>> ||Jai Ramakrishna||> Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,> Today morning I was just going through this matter i.e. one becomes a> president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a president after the> oath of office??> Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after taking an oath,> while 20th amendment says, one is president, by default, so here the> question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat supercedes the> importance of oath.> Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in the name of> public, means that from now onwards you are going to execute your> power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes an authority for> the position he has been given.> I noted another member saying that we should consider that time when> he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.> Thank you,> .> > , "nameisego"> nameisego@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear grp,> > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter in kanyadanam.> > He repeats the sloka saying > > "I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in marriage to, > > Sri So and so on this day etc"> > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in marriage to > > so and so whose name is so and so......> > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is valid or not?> > Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?> > > > Tatvam- Asi> > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama becaqme 44th > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can we in > > validate this event as per constitution?> > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on time of> > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of bhaskaracharya's> > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as those days > > water> > > clocks were using for measurin time )> > > > > > > > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as it is> > > > > > > > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's> > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who > > interested> > > can post it for view and discussion in grp> > > > > > > > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > , "nameisego"> > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Friends,> > > >> > > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as void> > > > because change in wording does not take away sentiment or meaning> > > > expressed there in.> > > >> > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.> > > >> > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > >> > >> >>

January 23, 2009

Dear group,

Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives results.

To each his own.

Tatvam-Asi

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts administered the

> presidential oath a second time to President Obama " out of an

abundance

> of caution, " according to the White House, due to the fact that,

when

> the oath was administered to President Obama the first time, in the

> public inauguration ceremony, the word " faithfully " was misplaced.

The

> second oath was administered in a simple, private ceremony in the

Map

> Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_(White_House)> of the

White

> House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .[11][20][21][22]

> Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his predecessors' in that

the

> private ceremony happened after the public one.

>

> Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President of the

United

> States as the forty-fourth President of the United States at 19:35

EST,

> January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) (Duration: 54

seconds)

>

> THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> , " "

> <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,

> > Today morning I was just going through this matter i.e. one

becomes a

> > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a president after

the

> > oath of office??

> > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after taking an oath,

> > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by default, so here

the

> > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat supercedes

the

> > importance of oath.

> > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in the name of

> > public, means that from now onwards you are going to execute your

> > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes an

authority for

> > the position he has been given.

> > I noted another member saying that we should consider that time

when

> > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.

> > Thank you,

> > .

> >

> > , " nameisego "

> > nameisego@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear grp,

> > >

> > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter in

> kanyadanam.

> > > He repeats the sloka saying

> > > " I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in

marriage

> to,

> > > Sri So and so on this day etc "

> > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in

marriage to

> > > so and so whose name is so and so......

> > >

> > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is valid or not?

> > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?

> > >

> > > Tatvam- Asi

> > >

> > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama becaqme

44th

> > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can we in

> > > validate this event as per constitution?

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hare ramakrishna

> > > >

> > > > dear grp

> > > >

> > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on time

of

> > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of

bhaskaracharya's

> > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as those

days

> > > water

> > > > clocks were using for measurin time )

> > > >

> > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as it is

> > > >

> > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's

> > > >

> > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who

> > > interested

> > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp

> > > >

> > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > >

> > > > , " nameisego "

> > > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as

> void

> > > > > because change in wording does not take away sentiment or

> meaning

> > > > > expressed there in.

> > > > >

> > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 24, 2009

Hare ramakrishna

dear Name is ego ji

I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont reduce astrology into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table gossip predictions

There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is true with astrology .

so take caution and go with real reserch and basics

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> > > > Dear group,> > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives results.> To each his own.> > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts administered the> > presidential oath a second time to President Obama "out of an > abundance> > of caution," according to the White House, due to the fact that, > when> > the oath was administered to President Obama the first time, in the> > public inauguration ceremony, the word "faithfully" was misplaced. > The> > second oath was administered in a simple, private ceremony in the > Map> > Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_(White_House)> of the > White> > House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .[11][20][21][22]> > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his predecessors' in that > the> > private ceremony happened after the public one.> > > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President of the > United> > States as the forty-fourth President of the United States at 19:35 > EST,> > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) (Duration: 54 > seconds)> > > > > > > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > , ""> > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > >> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,> > > Today morning I was just going through this matter i.e. one > becomes a> > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a president after > the> > > oath of office??> > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after taking an oath,> > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by default, so here > the> > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat supercedes > the> > > importance of oath.> > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in the name of> > > public, means that from now onwards you are going to execute your> > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes an > authority for> > > the position he has been given.> > > I noted another member saying that we should consider that time > when> > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.> > > Thank you,> > > .> > >> > > , "nameisego"> > > nameisego@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear grp,> > > >> > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter in> > kanyadanam.> > > > He repeats the sloka saying> > > > "I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in > marriage> > to,> > > > Sri So and so on this day etc"> > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in > marriage to> > > > so and so whose name is so and so......> > > >> > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is valid or not?> > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?> > > >> > > > Tatvam- Asi> > > >> > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama becaqme > 44th> > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can we in> > > > validate this event as per constitution?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hare ramakrishna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear grp> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on time > of> > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of > bhaskaracharya's> > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as those > days> > > > water> > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as it is> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's> > > > >> > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who> > > > interested> > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "nameisego"> > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as> > void> > > > > > because change in wording does not take away sentiment or> > meaning> > > > > > expressed there in.> > > > > >> > > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.> > > > > >> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

January 24, 2009

Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

There are always two sides of a coin. For some, the cup is half empty

and for some it is half full.

I would request you to let both the sides to prove themselves.

You may predict based on your convictions and let others do the same

based on what they feel is correct.

Time will prove which time of oath was correct.

Shall we take it up from here please?

Tatvam-Asi

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna

>

> dear Name is ego ji

>

> I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont reduce

astrology

> into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table gossip

> predictions

>

> There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is true with

astrology

> .

>

> so take caution and go with real reserch and basics

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , " nameisego "

> <nameisego@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear group,

> >

> > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives results.

> > To each his own.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts administered the

> > > presidential oath a second time to President Obama " out of an

> > abundance

> > > of caution, " according to the White House, due to the fact that,

> > when

> > > the oath was administered to President Obama the first time, in

the

> > > public inauguration ceremony, the word " faithfully " was

misplaced.

> > The

> > > second oath was administered in a simple, private ceremony in

the

> > Map

> > > Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_(White_House)> of

the

> > White

> > > House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .[11][20][21]

[22]

> > > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his predecessors' in

that

> > the

> > > private ceremony happened after the public one.

> > >

> > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President of the

> > United

> > > States as the forty-fourth President of the United States at

19:35

> > EST,

> > > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) (Duration: 54

> > seconds)

> > >

> > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > , " "

> > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,

> > > > Today morning I was just going through this matter i.e. one

> > becomes a

> > > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a president

after

> > the

> > > > oath of office??

> > > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after taking an

oath,

> > > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by default, so

here

> > the

> > > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat

supercedes

> > the

> > > > importance of oath.

> > > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in the name

of

> > > > public, means that from now onwards you are going to execute

your

> > > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes an

> > authority for

> > > > the position he has been given.

> > > > I noted another member saying that we should consider that

time

> > when

> > > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > .

> > > >

> > > > , " nameisego "

> > > > nameisego@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear grp,

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter in

> > > kanyadanam.

> > > > > He repeats the sloka saying

> > > > > " I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in

> > marriage

> > > to,

> > > > > Sri So and so on this day etc "

> > > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in

> > marriage to

> > > > > so and so whose name is so and so......

> > > > >

> > > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is valid or

not?

> > > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam- Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama becaqme

> > 44th

> > > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can we

in

> > > > > validate this event as per constitution?

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sunil

nair "

> > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hare ramakrishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear grp

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on

time

> > of

> > > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of

> > bhaskaracharya's

> > > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as

those

> > days

> > > > > water

> > > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as

it is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who

> > > > > interested

> > > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " nameisego "

> > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be

held as

> > > void

> > > > > > > because change in wording does not take away sentiment

or

> > > meaning

> > > > > > > expressed there in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 24, 2009

Hare rama krishna dear Name is ego ji according to u which time is correct ??the first one or the new changed version ??also i wud like to hear ur predictions based on ur assumption with valid reasons tooany one can say u take which ever is true according to ur version and easy and democractic too in todays world ( todays world blvs more in applaus than reality ) .but i want astro reasons and very well in adavnce too which will solv all problems and show the worth of any arguemnts of u or any one .( as u said time will prove, prov wat ?????did u do any predictions ??)other wise pls say astro is all humbug and just time pass we do as we wish and imgaine regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,> > There are always two sides of a coin. For some, the cup is half empty > and for some it is half full.> > I would request you to let both the sides to prove themselves.> > You may predict based on your convictions and let others do the same > based on what they feel is correct.> > Time will prove which time of oath was correct.> > Shall we take it up from here please?> > Tatvam-Asi> > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > dear Name is ego ji> > > > > > > > I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont reduce > astrology> > into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table gossip> > predictions> > > > There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is true with > astrology> > .> > > > > > > > so take caution and go with real reserch and basics> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > , "nameisego"> > <nameisego@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear group,> > >> > > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives results.> > > To each his own.> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts administered the> > > > presidential oath a second time to President Obama "out of an> > > abundance> > > > of caution," according to the White House, due to the fact that,> > > when> > > > the oath was administered to President Obama the first time, in > the> > > > public inauguration ceremony, the word "faithfully" was > misplaced.> > > The> > > > second oath was administered in a simple, private ceremony in > the> > > Map> > > > Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_(White_House)> of > the> > > White> > > > House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .[11][20][21]> [22]> > > > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his predecessors' in > that> > > the> > > > private ceremony happened after the public one.> > > >> > > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President of the> > > United> > > > States as the forty-fourth President of the United States at > 19:35> > > EST,> > > > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) (Duration: 54> > > seconds)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > , ""> > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,> > > > > Today morning I was just going through this matter i.e. one> > > becomes a> > > > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a president > after> > > the> > > > > oath of office??> > > > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after taking an > oath,> > > > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by default, so > here> > > the> > > > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat > supercedes> > > the> > > > > importance of oath.> > > > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in the name > of> > > > > public, means that from now onwards you are going to execute > your> > > > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes an> > > authority for> > > > > the position he has been given.> > > > > I noted another member saying that we should consider that > time> > > when> > > > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.> > > > > Thank you,> > > > > .> > > > >> > > > > , "nameisego"> > > > > nameisego@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear grp,> > > > > >> > > > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter in> > > > kanyadanam.> > > > > > He repeats the sloka saying> > > > > > "I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in> > > marriage> > > > to,> > > > > > Sri So and so on this day etc"> > > > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in> > > marriage to> > > > > > so and so whose name is so and so......> > > > > >> > > > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is valid or > not?> > > > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?> > > > > >> > > > > > Tatvam- Asi> > > > > >> > > > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama becaqme> > > 44th> > > > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can we > in> > > > > > validate this event as per constitution?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "sunil > nair"> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hare ramakrishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear grp> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on > time> > > of> > > > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of> > > bhaskaracharya's> > > > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as > those> > > days> > > > > > water> > > > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as > it is> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who> > > > > > interested> > > > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "nameisego"> > > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be > held as> > > > void> > > > > > > > because change in wording does not take away sentiment > or> > > > meaning> > > > > > > > expressed there in.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

January 24, 2009

Dear Sunil Ji,

First of all, it is un necessary to type in bold/caps when we put

forth our point of view.

It amounts to depicting Anger/shouting on net.

I take the first oath taking time at 12.05 Noon as correct time.

I will put forth my predictions based on that time .

Rgds

Tatvam-Asi

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear Name is ego ji

>

> according to u which time is correct ??the first one or the new

changed

> version ??also i wud like to hear ur predictions based on ur

assumption

> with valid reasons too

>

> any one can say u take which ever is true according to ur version

and

> easy and democractic too in todays world ( todays world blvs more

in

> applaus than reality ) .but i want astro reasons and very well in

> adavnce too which will solv all problems and show the worth of any

> arguemnts of u or any one .( as u said time will prove, prov wat

> ?????did u do any predictions ??)

>

> other wise pls say astro is all humbug and just time pass we do as

we

> wish and imgaine

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , " nameisego "

> <nameisego@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> >

> > There are always two sides of a coin. For some, the cup is half

empty

> > and for some it is half full.

> >

> > I would request you to let both the sides to prove themselves.

> >

> > You may predict based on your convictions and let others do the

same

> > based on what they feel is correct.

> >

> > Time will prove which time of oath was correct.

> >

> > Shall we take it up from here please?

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna

> > >

> > > dear Name is ego ji

> > >

> > > I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont reduce

> > astrology

> > > into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table gossip

> > > predictions

> > >

> > > There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is true with

> > astrology

> > > .

> > >

> > > so take caution and go with real reserch and basics

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " nameisego "

> > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear group,

> > > >

> > > > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives results.

> > > > To each his own.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts administered

the

> > > > > presidential oath a second time to President Obama " out of

an

> > > > abundance

> > > > > of caution, " according to the White House, due to the fact

that,

> > > > when

> > > > > the oath was administered to President Obama the first

time, in

> > the

> > > > > public inauguration ceremony, the word " faithfully " was

> > misplaced.

> > > > The

> > > > > second oath was administered in a simple, private ceremony

in

> > the

> > > > Map

> > > > > Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_(White_House)>

of

> > the

> > > > White

> > > > > House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .[11][20]

[21]

> > [22]

> > > > > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his predecessors' in

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > private ceremony happened after the public one.

> > > > >

> > > > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President of

the

> > > > United

> > > > > States as the forty-fourth President of the United States at

> > 19:35

> > > > EST,

> > > > > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) (Duration: 54

> > > > seconds)

> > > > >

> > > > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Gaurav

Ghosh "

> > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,

> > > > > > Today morning I was just going through this matter i.e.

one

> > > > becomes a

> > > > > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a

president

> > after

> > > > the

> > > > > > oath of office??

> > > > > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after taking

an

> > oath,

> > > > > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by default,

so

> > here

> > > > the

> > > > > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat

> > supercedes

> > > > the

> > > > > > importance of oath.

> > > > > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in the

name

> > of

> > > > > > public, means that from now onwards you are going to

execute

> > your

> > > > > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes an

> > > > authority for

> > > > > > the position he has been given.

> > > > > > I noted another member saying that we should consider that

> > time

> > > > when

> > > > > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.

> > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " nameisego "

> > > > > > nameisego@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear grp,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter

in

> > > > > kanyadanam.

> > > > > > > He repeats the sloka saying

> > > > > > > " I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in

> > > > marriage

> > > > > to,

> > > > > > > Sri So and so on this day etc "

> > > > > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in

> > > > marriage to

> > > > > > > so and so whose name is so and so......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is

valid or

> > not?

> > > > > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tatvam- Asi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama

becaqme

> > > > 44th

> > > > > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can

we

> > in

> > > > > > > validate this event as per constitution?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " sunil

> > nair "

> > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear grp

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based

on

> > time

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of

> > > > bhaskaracharya's

> > > > > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as

> > those

> > > > days

> > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken

as

> > it is

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and

those who

> > > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " nameisego "

> > > > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be

> > held as

> > > > > void

> > > > > > > > > because change in wording does not take away

sentiment

> > or

> > > > > meaning

> > > > > > > > > expressed there in.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 24, 2009

hare rama krishna dear ego ji pls do it ,we r waiting .regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > First of all, it is un necessary to type in bold/caps when we put > forth our point of view.> > It amounts to depicting Anger/shouting on net.> > I take the first oath taking time at 12.05 Noon as correct time.> > I will put forth my predictions based on that time .> > Rgds> > Tatvam-Asi> > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear Name is ego ji> > > > according to u which time is correct ??the first one or the new > changed> > version ??also i wud like to hear ur predictions based on ur > assumption> > with valid reasons too> > > > any one can say u take which ever is true according to ur version > and> > easy and democractic too in todays world ( todays world blvs more > in > > applaus than reality ) .but i want astro reasons and very well in> > adavnce too which will solv all problems and show the worth of any> > arguemnts of u or any one .( as u said time will prove, prov wat> > ?????did u do any predictions ??)> > > > other wise pls say astro is all humbug and just time pass we do as > we> > wish and imgaine> > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > , "nameisego"> > <nameisego@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,> > >> > > There are always two sides of a coin. For some, the cup is half > empty> > > and for some it is half full.> > >> > > I would request you to let both the sides to prove themselves.> > >> > > You may predict based on your convictions and let others do the > same> > > based on what they feel is correct.> > >> > > Time will prove which time of oath was correct.> > >> > > Shall we take it up from here please?> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > >> > > > dear Name is ego ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont reduce> > > astrology> > > > into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table gossip> > > > predictions> > > >> > > > There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is true with> > > astrology> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so take caution and go with real reserch and basics> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > > , "nameisego"> > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear group,> > > > >> > > > > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives results.> > > > > To each his own.> > > > >> > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts administered > the> > > > > > presidential oath a second time to President Obama "out of > an> > > > > abundance> > > > > > of caution," according to the White House, due to the fact > that,> > > > > when> > > > > > the oath was administered to President Obama the first > time, in> > > the> > > > > > public inauguration ceremony, the word "faithfully" was> > > misplaced.> > > > > The> > > > > > second oath was administered in a simple, private ceremony > in> > > the> > > > > Map> > > > > > Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_(White_House)> > of> > > the> > > > > White> > > > > > House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .[11][20]> [21]> > > [22]> > > > > > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his predecessors' in> > > that> > > > > the> > > > > > private ceremony happened after the public one.> > > > > >> > > > > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President of > the> > > > > United> > > > > > States as the forty-fourth President of the United States at> > > 19:35> > > > > EST,> > > > > > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) (Duration: 54> > > > > seconds)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Gaurav > Ghosh"> > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > > > > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,> > > > > > > Today morning I was just going through this matter i.e. > one> > > > > becomes a> > > > > > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a > president> > > after> > > > > the> > > > > > > oath of office??> > > > > > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after taking > an> > > oath,> > > > > > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by default, > so> > > here> > > > > the> > > > > > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat> > > supercedes> > > > > the> > > > > > > importance of oath.> > > > > > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in the > name> > > of> > > > > > > public, means that from now onwards you are going to > execute> > > your> > > > > > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes an> > > > > authority for> > > > > > > the position he has been given.> > > > > > > I noted another member saying that we should consider that> > > time> > > > > when> > > > > > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.> > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "nameisego"> > > > > > > nameisego@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear grp,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his daughter > in> > > > > > kanyadanam.> > > > > > > > He repeats the sloka saying> > > > > > > > "I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and so in> > > > > marriage> > > > > > to,> > > > > > > > Sri So and so on this day etc"> > > > > > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my daughter in> > > > > marriage to> > > > > > > > so and so whose name is so and so......> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is > valid or> > > not?> > > > > > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage ceremony?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tatvam- Asi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama > becaqme> > > > > 44th> > > > > > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now can > we> > > in> > > > > > > > validate this event as per constitution?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "sunil> > > nair"> > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear grp> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based > on> > > time> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of> > > > > bhaskaracharya's> > > > > > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as> > > those> > > > > days> > > > > > > > water> > > > > > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken > as> > > it is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and > those who> > > > > > > > interested> > > > > > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "nameisego"> > > > > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Friends,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be> > > held as> > > > > > void> > > > > > > > > > because change in wording does not take away > sentiment> > > or> > > > > > meaning> > > > > > > > > > expressed there in.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

January 25, 2009

Dear sri sunil Nair ji,

I think you have misspelt my name omitting " nameis " and wrote

just " ego ji " .

Such attitude is non condusive to having a decent discussion.

Tatvam-Asi

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> hare rama krishna

> dear ego ji

>

> pls do it ,we r waiting .

>

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , " nameisego "

> <nameisego@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Ji,

> >

> > First of all, it is un necessary to type in bold/caps when we put

> > forth our point of view.

> >

> > It amounts to depicting Anger/shouting on net.

> >

> > I take the first oath taking time at 12.05 Noon as correct time.

> >

> > I will put forth my predictions based on that time .

> >

> > Rgds

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear Name is ego ji

> > >

> > > according to u which time is correct ??the first one or the new

> > changed

> > > version ??also i wud like to hear ur predictions based on ur

> > assumption

> > > with valid reasons too

> > >

> > > any one can say u take which ever is true according to ur

version

> > and

> > > easy and democractic too in todays world ( todays world blvs

more

> > in

> > > applaus than reality ) .but i want astro reasons and very well

in

> > > adavnce too which will solv all problems and show the worth of

any

> > > arguemnts of u or any one .( as u said time will prove, prov wat

> > > ?????did u do any predictions ??)

> > >

> > > other wise pls say astro is all humbug and just time pass we

do as

> > we

> > > wish and imgaine

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " nameisego "

> > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > >

> > > > There are always two sides of a coin. For some, the cup is

half

> > empty

> > > > and for some it is half full.

> > > >

> > > > I would request you to let both the sides to prove themselves.

> > > >

> > > > You may predict based on your convictions and let others do

the

> > same

> > > > based on what they feel is correct.

> > > >

> > > > Time will prove which time of oath was correct.

> > > >

> > > > Shall we take it up from here please?

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Name is ego ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont

reduce

> > > > astrology

> > > > > into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table

gossip

> > > > > predictions

> > > > >

> > > > > There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is true

with

> > > > astrology

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > > so take caution and go with real reserch and basics

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nameisego "

> > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear group,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives

results.

> > > > > > To each his own.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " sunil

nair "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts

administered

> > the

> > > > > > > presidential oath a second time to President Obama " out

of

> > an

> > > > > > abundance

> > > > > > > of caution, " according to the White House, due to the

fact

> > that,

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > the oath was administered to President Obama the first

> > time, in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > public inauguration ceremony, the word " faithfully " was

> > > > misplaced.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > second oath was administered in a simple, private

ceremony

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > Map

> > > > > > > Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_

(White_House)>

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > White

> > > > > > > House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .[11]

[20]

> > [21]

> > > > [22]

> > > > > > > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his

predecessors' in

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > private ceremony happened after the public one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President

of

> > the

> > > > > > United

> > > > > > > States as the forty-fourth President of the United

States at

> > > > 19:35

> > > > > > EST,

> > > > > > > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009)

(Duration: 54

> > > > > > seconds)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Gaurav

> > Ghosh "

> > > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > > > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,

> > > > > > > > Today morning I was just going through this matter

i.e.

> > one

> > > > > > becomes a

> > > > > > > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a

> > president

> > > > after

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > oath of office??

> > > > > > > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after

taking

> > an

> > > > oath,

> > > > > > > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by

default,

> > so

> > > > here

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat

> > > > supercedes

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > importance of oath.

> > > > > > > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in

the

> > name

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > public, means that from now onwards you are going to

> > execute

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes

an

> > > > > > authority for

> > > > > > > > the position he has been given.

> > > > > > > > I noted another member saying that we should consider

that

> > > > time

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.

> > > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " nameisego "

> > > > > > > > nameisego@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear grp,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his

daughter

> > in

> > > > > > > kanyadanam.

> > > > > > > > > He repeats the sloka saying

> > > > > > > > > " I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and

so in

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > to,

> > > > > > > > > Sri So and so on this day etc "

> > > > > > > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my

daughter in

> > > > > > marriage to

> > > > > > > > > so and so whose name is so and so......

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is

> > valid or

> > > > not?

> > > > > > > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage

ceremony?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tatvam- Asi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama

> > becaqme

> > > > > > 44th

> > > > > > > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now

can

> > we

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > validate this event as per constitution?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " sunil

> > > > nair "

> > > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dear grp

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s

based

> > on

> > > > time

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of

> > > > > > bhaskaracharya's

> > > > > > > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small

pearl as

> > > > those

> > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b

taken

> > as

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro

prinicple 's

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and

> > those who

> > > > > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " nameisego "

> > > > > > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Friends,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The oath which was administered first time

cannot be

> > > > held as

> > > > > > > void

> > > > > > > > > > > because change in wording does not take away

> > sentiment

> > > > or

> > > > > > > meaning

> > > > > > > > > > > expressed there in.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into

account.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 25, 2009

dear Name is ego ji or tatwam asi ji pls concntrte in academic discussion than pointing out the flaw in my typing or langauge which is not my rashtra bhasha or even mother toungue last time u r pointing out the caps/bolds used by me ,the poor slumdog brother of u who dont hav better computer and his key board was stuck but managed to type a messge and was teaching me etiquettes of english language so u hav 2 timing ,so u r giving us the results of each one and the future events will decide the truth and we r closing a dispute for once and for all as u said them time will say which is correct ,but u must say astrologicaly why u feel so regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> Dear sri sunil Nair ji,> > I think you have misspelt my name omitting "nameis" and wrote > just "ego ji".> > Such attitude is non condusive to having a decent discussion.> > Tatvam-Asi> > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > hare rama krishna> > dear ego ji> > > > pls do it ,we r waiting .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > , "nameisego"> > <nameisego@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > >> > > First of all, it is un necessary to type in bold/caps when we put> > > forth our point of view.> > >> > > It amounts to depicting Anger/shouting on net.> > >> > > I take the first oath taking time at 12.05 Noon as correct time.> > >> > > I will put forth my predictions based on that time .> > >> > > Rgds> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > >> > > > dear Name is ego ji> > > >> > > > according to u which time is correct ??the first one or the new> > > changed> > > > version ??also i wud like to hear ur predictions based on ur> > > assumption> > > > with valid reasons too> > > >> > > > any one can say u take which ever is true according to ur > version> > > and> > > > easy and democractic too in todays world ( todays world blvs > more> > > in> > > > applaus than reality ) .but i want astro reasons and very well > in> > > > adavnce too which will solv all problems and show the worth of > any> > > > arguemnts of u or any one .( as u said time will prove, prov wat> > > > ?????did u do any predictions ??)> > > >> > > > other wise pls say astro is all humbug and just time pass we > do as> > > we> > > > wish and imgaine> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > > , "nameisego"> > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,> > > > >> > > > > There are always two sides of a coin. For some, the cup is > half> > > empty> > > > > and for some it is half full.> > > > >> > > > > I would request you to let both the sides to prove themselves.> > > > >> > > > > You may predict based on your convictions and let others do > the> > > same> > > > > based on what they feel is correct.> > > > >> > > > > Time will prove which time of oath was correct.> > > > >> > > > > Shall we take it up from here please?> > > > >> > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > >> > > > > > dear Name is ego ji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont > reduce> > > > > astrology> > > > > > into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table > gossip> > > > > > predictions> > > > > >> > > > > > There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is true > with> > > > > astrology> > > > > > .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > so take caution and go with real reserch and basics> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "nameisego"> > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear group,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives > results.> > > > > > > To each his own.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "sunil > nair"> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts > administered> > > the> > > > > > > > presidential oath a second time to President Obama "out > of> > > an> > > > > > > abundance> > > > > > > > of caution," according to the White House, due to the > fact> > > that,> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > the oath was administered to President Obama the first> > > time, in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > public inauguration ceremony, the word "faithfully" was> > > > > misplaced.> > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > second oath was administered in a simple, private > ceremony> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > Map> > > > > > > > Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_> (White_House)>> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > White> > > > > > > > House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .[11]> [20]> > > [21]> > > > > [22]> > > > > > > > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his > predecessors' in> > > > > that> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > private ceremony happened after the public one.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the President > of> > > the> > > > > > > United> > > > > > > > States as the forty-fourth President of the United > States at> > > > > 19:35> > > > > > > EST,> > > > > > > > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) > (Duration: 54> > > > > > > seconds)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "Gaurav> > > Ghosh"> > > > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > > > > > > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,> > > > > > > > > Today morning I was just going through this matter > i.e.> > > one> > > > > > > becomes a> > > > > > > > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a> > > president> > > > > after> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > oath of office??> > > > > > > > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after > taking> > > an> > > > > oath,> > > > > > > > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by > default,> > > so> > > > > here> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat> > > > > supercedes> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > importance of oath.> > > > > > > > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in > the> > > name> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > public, means that from now onwards you are going to> > > execute> > > > > your> > > > > > > > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes > an> > > > > > > authority for> > > > > > > > > the position he has been given.> > > > > > > > > I noted another member saying that we should consider > that> > > > > time> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.> > > > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "nameisego"> > > > > > > > > nameisego@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear grp,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his > daughter> > > in> > > > > > > > kanyadanam.> > > > > > > > > > He repeats the sloka saying> > > > > > > > > > "I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and > so in> > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > to,> > > > > > > > > > Sri So and so on this day etc"> > > > > > > > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my > daughter in> > > > > > > marriage to> > > > > > > > > > so and so whose name is so and so......> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham is> > > valid or> > > > > not?> > > > > > > > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage > ceremony?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Tatvam- Asi> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama> > > becaqme> > > > > > > 44th> > > > > > > > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now > can> > > we> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > validate this event as per constitution?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil> > > > > nair"> > > > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear grp> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s > based> > > on> > > > > time> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of> > > > > > > bhaskaracharya's> > > > > > > > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small > pearl as> > > > > those> > > > > > > days> > > > > > > > > > water> > > > > > > > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b > taken> > > as> > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro > prinicple 's> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and> > > those who> > > > > > > > > > interested> > > > > > > > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "nameisego"> > > > > > > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The oath which was administered first time > cannot be> > > > > held as> > > > > > > > void> > > > > > > > > > > > because change in wording does not take away> > > sentiment> > > > > or> > > > > > > > meaning> > > > > > > > > > > > expressed there in.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into > account.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

January 25, 2009

Dear All,

To-day in one of the Vernacular News Paper the birth details of Barack Obama has been given as under:

Date of Birth 4th August 1961

Time of Birth 19.24

Place of Birth Honolulu

and the chart shows Capricorn as ascendant with Jupiter and Saturn both being retrograde.

Sun and Mercury are in 7th in Cancer

Moon in 5th in Taurus

Venus in 5th in Gemini

Rahu and Mars in 8th in Leo

Ketu in 2nd in Aquarius

I hope the above data helps in analysisng the Oath Chart.

D D Trivedi

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re:Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath Doubts Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:51 AM

dear Name is ego ji or tatwam asi ji pls concntrte in academic discussion than pointing out the flaw in my typing or langauge which is not my rashtra bhasha or even mother toungue last time u r pointing out the caps/bolds used by me ,the poor slumdog brother of u who dont hav better computer and his key board was stuck but managed to type a messge and was teaching me etiquettes of english language so u hav 2 timing ,so u r giving us the results of each one and the future events will decide the truth and we r closing a dispute for once and for all as u said them time will say which is correct ,but u must say astrologicaly why u feel so regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namahancient_indian_ astrology, "nameisego" <nameisego@.. .> wrote:>> Dear sri sunil Nair ji,>

> I think you have misspelt my name omitting "nameis" and wrote > just "ego ji".> > Such attitude is non condusive to having a decent discussion.> > Tatvam-Asi> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > hare rama krishna> > dear ego ji> > > > pls do it ,we r waiting .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "nameisego"> > <nameisego@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > >> > > First of all, it is un necessary to type in bold/caps when we put> > > forth our point of view.> > >> > > It amounts to depicting

Anger/shouting on net.> > >> > > I take the first oath taking time at 12.05 Noon as correct time.> > >> > > I will put forth my predictions based on that time .> > >> > > Rgds> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > >> > > > dear Name is ego ji> > > >> > > > according to u which time is correct ??the first one or the new> > > changed> > > > version ??also i wud like to hear ur predictions based on ur> > > assumption> > > > with valid reasons too> > > >> >

> > any one can say u take which ever is true according to ur > version> > > and> > > > easy and democractic too in todays world ( todays world blvs > more> > > in> > > > applaus than reality ) .but i want astro reasons and very well > in> > > > adavnce too which will solv all problems and show the worth of > any> > > > arguemnts of u or any one .( as u said time will prove, prov wat> > > > ?????did u do any predictions ??)> > > >> > > > other wise pls say astro is all humbug and just time pass we > do as> > > we> > > > wish and imgaine> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah>

> > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "nameisego"> > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,> > > > >> > > > > There are always two sides of a coin. For some, the cup is > half> > > empty> > > > > and for some it is half full.> > > > >> > > > > I would request you to let both the sides to prove themselves.> > > > >> > > > > You may predict based on your convictions and let others do > the> > > same> > > > > based on what they feel is correct.> > > > >> > > > > Time will prove which time of oath was correct.> > > > >> > > > > Shall

we take it up from here please?> > > > >> > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > >> > > > > > dear Name is ego ji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont > reduce> > > > > astrology> > > > > > into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table > gossip> > > > > > predictions>

> > > > >> > > > > > There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is true > with> > > > > astrology> > > > > > .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > so take caution and go with real reserch and basics> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "nameisego"> > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear group,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives > results.> > > > > > > To each his own.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil > nair"> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts > administered> > > the> > > > > > > > presidential oath a second time to President Obama "out > of> > > an> > > > > > > abundance> > > > > > > > of caution," according to the White House, due to the > fact> > > that,> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > the oath was administered to President Obama the first> > > time, in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > public inauguration ceremony, the word "faithfully" was> > > > > misplaced.> > > > > > > The> > > > > > >

> second oath was administered in a simple, private > ceremony> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > Map> > > > > > > > Room <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Map_Room_> (White_House)>> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > White> > > > > > > > House <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ White_House> .[11]> [20]> > > [21]> > > > > [22]> > > > > > > > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his > predecessors' in> > > > > that> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > private ceremony happened after the public one.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of

the President > of> > > the> > > > > > > United> > > > > > > > States as the forty-fourth President of the United > States at> > > > > 19:35> > > > > > > EST,> > > > > > > > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009) > (Duration: 54> > > > > > > seconds)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is same> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Gaurav> > > Ghosh"> > > > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| |> > > > > > > > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,> > > > > > > > > Today morning I was just going through this matter > i.e.> > > one> > > > > > > becomes a> > > > > > > > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a> > > president> > > > > after> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > oath of office??> > > > > > > > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after > taking> > > an> >

> > > oath,> > > > > > > > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by > default,> > > so> > > > > here> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It somewhat> > > > > supercedes> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > importance of oath.> > > > > > > > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or in > the> > > name> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > public, means that from now onwards you are going to> > > execute> > > > > your> > > > > > > > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he becomes > an> > > > > > >

authority for> > > > > > > > > the position he has been given.> > > > > > > > > I noted another member saying that we should consider > that> > > > > time> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.> > > > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "nameisego"> > > > > > > > > nameisego@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear grp,> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his > daughter> > > in> > > > > > > > kanyadanam.> > > > > > > > > > He repeats the sloka saying> > > > > > > > > > "I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So and > so in> > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > to,> > > > > > > > > > Sri So and so on this day etc"> > > > > > > > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my > daughter in> > > > > > > marriage to> > > > > > > > > > so and so whose name is so and so......> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In such a case, will

this kanya danam muhurtham is> > > valid or> > > > > not?> > > > > > > > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage > ceremony?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Tatvam- Asi> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack Obama> > > becaqme> > > > > > > 44th> > > > > > > > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time. Now > can> > > we> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > validate this event as per constitution?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > > > > nair"> > > > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear grp> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s > based> > > on> > > > > time> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of> > > > > > > bhaskaracharya' s> > > > > > > > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small > pearl as> > > > > those> > > > > > > days> > > > > > > > > > water> > > > > > > > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud b > taken> > > as> > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro > prinicple 's> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and> > > those who> > > > > > > > > > interested> > > > > > > > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp> > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "nameisego"> > > > > > > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The oath which was administered first time > cannot be> > > > > held as> > > > > > > > void> > > > > > > > > > > > because change in wording does not take away> > > sentiment> > > > > or> > > > > > > > meaning> > > > > > > > > > > > expressed there in.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > So IMHO, first oath

should be taken into > account.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

January 25, 2009

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Mr.Trivedi,

The details as you mention, is one of those which are floating

around.However, many claim this to be right time, as it is mentioned

in the birth certificate.(I have a scanned copy of the birth certificate).

Like this, some also are probabilities like 13:26:37(a time rectified

by astrologer Col. A.K. Gour), while 13:06 is also one of the floating

birthtime.

Good that all agrees that he was born on 4th Aug, 1961. Personally i

find him have tula lagna, & birth time rectified to 13:12/13:13 hrs on

the same day.

Thank you,

Gaurav.

, dushyant trivedi

<trivedi20 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> To-day in one of the Vernacular News Paper the birth details of

Barack Obama has been given as under:

>

> Date of Birth 4th August 1961

> Time of Birth 19.24

> Place of Birth Honolulu

>

> and the chart shows Capricorn as ascendant with Jupiter and Saturn

both being retrograde.

> Sun and Mercury are in 7th in Cancer

> Moon in 5th in Taurus

> Venus in 5th in Gemini

> Rahu and Mars in 8th in Leo

> Ketu in 2nd in Aquarius

>

> I hope the above data helps in analysisng the Oath Chart.

>

> D D Trivedi

January 25, 2009

Dear Dushyant Trivediji,

Yes I read it too. Although not very well versed with the language. The article was polite in the dangers facing the new man in office.

But the next AD of the President from March " 09 to Aug ' 10 (I think) is omnious. May God bless him and his dreams, for the sake of peace & the world.

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sun, 25/1/09, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:

dushyant trivedi <trivedi20Re: Re:Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath Doubts Date: Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:33 AM

Dear All,

To-day in one of the Vernacular News Paper the birth details of Barack Obama has been given as under:

Date of Birth 4th August 1961

Time of Birth 19.24

Place of Birth Honolulu

and the chart shows Capricorn as ascendant with Jupiter and Saturn both being retrograde.

Sun and Mercury are in 7th in Cancer

Moon in 5th in Taurus

Venus in 5th in Gemini

Rahu and Mars in 8th in Leo

Ketu in 2nd in Aquarius

I hope the above data helps in analysisng the Oath Chart.

D D Trivedi

January 25, 2009

Dear Sunil ji,

I am not sure I take your excuse as correct.

I am not sure if I will have a fruitful discussion also.

I choose to refrain from replying in future.

Tatvam-Asi

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear Name is ego ji or tatwam asi ji

>

> pls concntrte in academic discussion than pointing out the flaw in

my

> typing or langauge which is not my rashtra bhasha or even mother

toungue

>

> last time u r pointing out the caps/bolds used by me ,the poor

slumdog

> brother of u who dont hav better computer and his key board was

stuck

> but managed to type a messge and was teaching me etiquettes of

english

> language

>

> so u hav 2 timing ,so u r giving us the results of each one and the

> future events will decide the truth

>

> and we r closing a dispute for once and for all

>

> as u said them time will say which is correct ,but u must say

> astrologicaly why u feel so

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> , " nameisego "

> <nameisego@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear sri sunil Nair ji,

> >

> > I think you have misspelt my name omitting " nameis " and wrote

> > just " ego ji " .

> >

> > Such attitude is non condusive to having a decent discussion.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > hare rama krishna

> > > dear ego ji

> > >

> > > pls do it ,we r waiting .

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " nameisego "

> > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil Ji,

> > > >

> > > > First of all, it is un necessary to type in bold/caps when we

put

> > > > forth our point of view.

> > > >

> > > > It amounts to depicting Anger/shouting on net.

> > > >

> > > > I take the first oath taking time at 12.05 Noon as correct

time.

> > > >

> > > > I will put forth my predictions based on that time .

> > > >

> > > > Rgds

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Name is ego ji

> > > > >

> > > > > according to u which time is correct ??the first one or the

new

> > > > changed

> > > > > version ??also i wud like to hear ur predictions based on ur

> > > > assumption

> > > > > with valid reasons too

> > > > >

> > > > > any one can say u take which ever is true according to ur

> > version

> > > > and

> > > > > easy and democractic too in todays world ( todays world

blvs

> > more

> > > > in

> > > > > applaus than reality ) .but i want astro reasons and very

well

> > in

> > > > > adavnce too which will solv all problems and show the worth

of

> > any

> > > > > arguemnts of u or any one .( as u said time will prove,

prov wat

> > > > > ?????did u do any predictions ??)

> > > > >

> > > > > other wise pls say astro is all humbug and just time pass

we

> > do as

> > > > we

> > > > > wish and imgaine

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nameisego "

> > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are always two sides of a coin. For some, the cup is

> > half

> > > > empty

> > > > > > and for some it is half full.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would request you to let both the sides to prove

themselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may predict based on your convictions and let others

do

> > the

> > > > same

> > > > > > based on what they feel is correct.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Time will prove which time of oath was correct.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shall we take it up from here please?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " sunil

nair "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know what r u saying .but my request is dont

> > reduce

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > into vanilla and pott0to chips coffee shop on the table

> > gossip

> > > > > > > predictions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There cannot b 2 or 3 diffrnt truth in world same is

true

> > with

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so take caution and go with real reserch and basics

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " nameisego "

> > > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear group,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us proceed as per what we feel is right and gives

> > results.

> > > > > > > > To each his own.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " sunil

> > nair "

> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > * On January 21, 2009 , Chief Justice Roberts

> > administered

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > presidential oath a second time to President

Obama " out

> > of

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > abundance

> > > > > > > > > of caution, " according to the White House, due to

the

> > fact

> > > > that,

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > the oath was administered to President Obama the

first

> > > > time, in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > public inauguration ceremony, the word " faithfully "

was

> > > > > > misplaced.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > second oath was administered in a simple, private

> > ceremony

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Map

> > > > > > > > > Room <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_Room_

> > (White_House)>

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > White

> > > > > > > > > House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House> .

[11]

> > [20]

> > > > [21]

> > > > > > [22]

> > > > > > > > > Obama's oath-retaking differed from all his

> > predecessors' in

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > private ceremony happened after the public one.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Obama retakes takes the Oath of office of the

President

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > United

> > > > > > > > > States as the forty-fourth President of the United

> > States at

> > > > > > 19:35

> > > > > > > > EST,

> > > > > > > > > January 21, 2009 (00:35 UTC, January 22, 2009)

> > (Duration: 54

> > > > > > > > seconds)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > THis is diffrnt oath taking tho technicaly it is

same

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Gaurav

> > > > Ghosh "

> > > > > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shree Tatvamasiji,

> > > > > > > > > > Today morning I was just going through this matter

> > i.e.

> > > > one

> > > > > > > > becomes a

> > > > > > > > > > president by default at 12 noon??or one becomes a

> > > > president

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > oath of office??

> > > > > > > > > > Article 2 says, that one becomes a president after

> > taking

> > > > an

> > > > > > oath,

> > > > > > > > > > while 20th amendment says, one is president, by

> > default,

> > > > so

> > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > question of oath doesn't come into place. It

somewhat

> > > > > > supercedes

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > importance of oath.

> > > > > > > > > > Generally an oath, whether in the Name of God or

in

> > the

> > > > name

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > public, means that from now onwards you are going

to

> > > > execute

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > power, so once someone takes an oath, then he

becomes

> > an

> > > > > > > > authority for

> > > > > > > > > > the position he has been given.

> > > > > > > > > > I noted another member saying that we should

consider

> > that

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > he was selected, which I consider to be incorrect.

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " nameisego "

> > > > > > > > > > nameisego@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear grp,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let us assume that a father is giving away his

> > daughter

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > kanyadanam.

> > > > > > > > > > > He repeats the sloka saying

> > > > > > > > > > > " I so and so, here by give my daughter Sow. So

and

> > so in

> > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > to,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri So and so on this day etc "

> > > > > > > > > > > Instead, he repeats that I so and so give my

> > daughter in

> > > > > > > > marriage to

> > > > > > > > > > > so and so whose name is so and so......

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In such a case, will this kanya danam muhurtham

is

> > > > valid or

> > > > > > not?

> > > > > > > > > > > Or will he have to conduct another marriage

> > ceremony?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam- Asi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As per constitution of USA, at 12 noon, Barack

Obama

> > > > becaqme

> > > > > > > > 44th

> > > > > > > > > > > president irrespective of his oath taking time.

Now

> > can

> > > > we

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > validate this event as per constitution?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " sunil

> > > > > > nair "

> > > > > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction

s

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > happening ( those who want pls remebr story of

> > > > > > > > bhaskaracharya's

> > > > > > > > > > > > daughters marriage time blocked by some small

> > pearl as

> > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > clocks were using for measurin time )

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > so any change is change in timing and it shud

b

> > taken

> > > > as

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro

> > prinicple 's

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > so in short new time is applicable for OBama

and

> > > > those who

> > > > > > > > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > > > > > can post it for view and discussion in grp

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > i will tell my opinions on change of time

later

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " nameisego "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The oath which was administered first time

> > cannot be

> > > > > > held as

> > > > > > > > > void

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because change in wording does not take away

> > > > sentiment

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > meaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expressed there in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into

> > account.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 25, 2009

dear name is ego ji pls take my excuse as a way out and escape as fastest as u can like u hav done b4 ,b4 also u promised so many write ups and prooving urself .nothing happened i was worried abt the suppresiv person in u destorying/corrupting the astro sceanario and i hav givn my warning to grp that is allwho takes a re newed muhurtha as bogus /then what u will call muhurtha prayachithas mentioned in books and classics ??sure i dont hav ur pedigree like of lot of sankaracharyas blessed my ancesters regrds sunil nair , "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > I am not sure I take your excuse as correct.> > I am not sure if I will have a fruitful discussion also.> > I choose to refrain from replying in future.> > Tatvam-Asi> > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > dear Name is ego ji or tatwam asi ji> > > > pls concntrte in academic discussion than pointing out the flaw in > my> > typing or langauge which is not my rashtra bhasha or even mother > toungue> > > > last time u r pointing out the caps/bolds used by me ,the poor > slumdog> > brother of u who dont hav better computer and his key board was > stuck> > but managed to type a messge and was teaching me etiquettes of > english> > language> > > > so u hav 2 timing ,so u r giving us the results of each one and the> > future events will decide the truth> > > > and we r closing a dispute for once and for all> > > > as u said them time will say which is correct ,but u must say> > astrologicaly why u feel so> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >

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