Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath

[Guest guest]

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Learned Members,

I casted a prasna yesterday when Mr.Obama took his oath of office &

the analysis has been done in my website. I am extracting the material

posted in website.(Not giving the address here, as it may be allowed.

A simple web search on my name will do).

 

Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath

 

Mr.Barack H.Obama or Mr.Barack Hussein Obama is the 1st " black "

president in the history of United States of America, who took his

oath of office in a critical period,

when there is Global Economic Slowdown.US being the most powerful

economic republic, with its high GDP(Source-World Bank Report for the

year 2007) & ranks in first 20 in per-capita income have suffered

havoc for the past few months

(actually for the past few years, when the mortgage industry reached

its saturation level,the banks started failing for a number of

reasons, primarily many mortgage account holders started becoming

defaulters & ultimately loan foreclosures. Finally, banks had to sell

them had to either keep the house else sell it at minimum price, which

ultimately resulted in the lending bank's loss).

Let me put here the " Saga of Bank's Failure " in USA. I am not aware of

any other country, but in USA, the banks can sell the loan papers or

mortgage deed, to some other financial institution. For example,

Suppose Mr.A takes a loan from Bank ABC for $100K, at an interest of

10%, for over 30 years. With a Fixed interest, Mr.A's monthly payment

is $877.57.However, it will alter according to ARM(Adjustable Rate

Mortgage, in our country which is known as " Floating Rate " ).After

serving the mortgage for 1 yr, Bank ABC decides to sell this loan off

to Bank DEF for $120K, thus selling it at a premium of $20k.

Now the contract/deed remains the same, only the customer needs to

make his payment to Bank DEF, as instructed. After 6 months, Bank DEF

sells this loan to Bank GHI for $140K. Now Bank GHI is receiving the

monthly payments of this mortgage from Mr.A. Notice the inflated value

of the loan.Banks do this practise to gain the long term profit, as it

is three times than the original value of loan given to the customer.

 

After paying this loan regularly, Mr.A finds it difficult to continue

with this mortgage, due to pay cut, medical emergencies & a lot more

contingencies that might have hit him, like loss of jobs etc.

Now this Mr.A speaks to Bank GHI & asks for some options, which can be

deferral of one or two payments, which puts his loan behind. For

deferred payments, nothing goes towards his principal, as the amount

that was supposed to go to the principal is eaten away by the

" Deferred Amount " .

Mr.A still tries hard, but finally fails to continue with his payment

& raises his hands above, as he cannot continue with the mortgage.

In USA, you can file a Bankruptcy, but in India???Its called

insolvent. In USA, everything depends on your credit, be your

education, buying commodities, even I heard interviews also depend on

your credit score, apart from giving loans.

So finally the loan doesn't get the paid-off. The bank has only option

of taking over the house & put the house on sale say for $100K, after

the property being foreclosed. Now a " second-hand house " isn't easy to

sale, as anyone trying to buy this house, have to take a loan/mortgage

from a bank & buy that house. Finally, the house is disposed off at

$80K, after much negotiation.

 

So you could see the total loss for the bank i.e. Bank GHI, which is

next $70K. This is one of the basic reason for the banks to fail in

US.Unfortunately, like India, the Central Bank in USA(Federal Reserve

Bank) has no control on the banks in USA. Each bank has its own

principle on charging interests from the customers, giving out loans.

 

The Real Estate industry was also at a boom, while the sky high

interest hit most of the customers to pay further & there was an

Economic crash & we started seeing big banks failing in USA like

Lehman Bros., Citigroup, Bank of America etc.

 

Election 2008

 

Election in United States in the year 2008 was quite significant. We

had a democratic Presidential Nominee from the Sr.Senator from the

State of Illinois, who campaigned saying that US needs a change, who

was contesting against a republican leader John Mccain, the Sr.Senator

of Arizona, who had been famous for making some controversial remarks.

The warmonger Bush did little in order to save his economy, as he was

busy in employing troops in Iraq & Afghanistan & also review the

baseless investigation reports by CIA.In order to do something some

good to the country, as a matter of respect, helped the banks for the

bail out, before leaving his office. So in this conjecture, it was

important for a person to handle the issues carefully.Several issues

like controlling Military expenses, create jobs in the country,

prevent further job cuts, tax relief for middle class people,

controlling its increasing debts etc.

As expected by many & wanted by many, Mr.Barack Hussein Obama was

elected as the President of United States of America

 

The Oath on 20th January 2009

" Yes we can to justice and equality. Yes we can to opportunity and

prosperity. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can repair this world.

Yes we can. "

Thus having said these words, Mr.Barack Hussein Obama proclaimed

" Change has come to America " . The year 2009 is very important for

United States of America. Mr.Abraham Lincoln's 200th birth anniversary

will be observed across United States, this year on February 12th.

People also find a marked similarity between Mr.Obama &

Mr.Lincoln---they contested from same state.

 

 

Ultimately the day has come. All the Americans & world had been

waiting for this big day.

 

With some initial fumble/interruption,the 44th President Elect Barack

Hussein Obama takes the oath,while touching The Bible(which was used

by Mr.Abraham Lincoln, when he took his oath of office)

" I Barack Hussein Obama do solemnly swear that I will faithfully

execute the office of President of the United States..... " , the local

time in Kolkata was 22:34:20 hrs(Indian Standard Time) on 20th January

2009.

 

Immediately a prasna chart was casted. Let's see what does it say

 

The Prasna Chart

 

The oath has been taken on a Tuesday afternoon(but the place the

Prasna was casted, it was Night), tithi was Krishna Dashami tithi.

Dashami tithi is lorded by Basuki, one of the 8 Holy snakes according

to Hindu Mythology. Basuki was that snake who helped the Devas &

Asuras during the great sea-churning. However, Dashami tithi falling

on a tuesday, results in Tithi-Dagdha, as many would know.The Yoga is

also Ganda Yoga,which is also not favourable.Good thing is Moon is in

Anuradha nakshatra, which is considered to be " Mridu " (modest

Nakshatra) & its deity being Indra, the lord of Devas.

 

Mr.Obama is taking his office in a very critical period, when his

country is facing a lot of economical issues, as we have been seeing

for the past 6-7 months(though the actual problem started 2 yrs ago,

when the mortgage industry reached its saturation point, sky high

interest rates, floating rates, even they have a ceiling, it never

decreased, even property costs were too high, while many customers

went to be defaulters & it was a major reason for the banks to fail,

as banks could do nothing, but dispose it off at any cost, which was a

major reason for the failure of Giants like Lehman bros for example),

it has been facing several unsolved issues, which were never been

solved by his predecessor. It was obvious for Obama to win, due to his

excessive campaigning & stressing upon that US needs a change. He also

added that the worst is over. Is it??Or it was a promo/trailer that he

has been watching for so far & the story will be " aired " in few

days??? Lets read the Prasna chart.

 

The Lagna is a dual & Shirshodaya sign. The Lagna lord is in 5th

house, retrograde with 12th lord Sun, 4th & 7th lord Jupiter & it

falls in RKA.Mercury, the Lagna lord, also happens to be Lord of Karma

Bhava. Lagna is in the Nakshatra of Moon(11th lord), while Mercury is

in the Nakshatra of Sun(12th lord) & Moon in the Nakshatra of

Saturn(retro). Its notable here that Mercury & Sun are in 5th house in

the same degree & Mercury is eclipsed & also retrograde.Jupiter, the

4th & 7th lord is 3 degrees away from Sun, & also retrograde.RKA falls

in 5-11 houses from Lagna. Moon has Purna Ithsala with Mercury,Sun

while Bhavishyat Ithsala with Jupiter.

 

However there is Manua Yoga as well of all the planets involved in

Ithsala, as mentioned before.Mercury being retrograde, gets involved

in Rudda Yoga as well,so it cancels the Ithsala it formed with Moon.

Again see, the sign dispositor of 10th lord is Saturn, who is in 12th

house & retro.Lagna is being aspected only 2 planets---Jupiter & Rahu.

Now, Let's look at Dashamsa of the Prasna chart.

 

The Dasamsa Lagna is Scorpio with the 10th lord, Sun & Retro

Mercury(8th & 11th lord, aspected by Retrograde Saturn, while Lagna

lord goes to 10th house, assisted by Ketu, Moon(9th lord) & aspected

by Jupiter, lord of 2nd House & 5th house. An excellent Rajayoga that

forms in the Dashamsa. Now time for analysis, after all the technical

part.

 

So, combining all these technical stuff, the road to the White House

in The Capitol Hill is not going to be smooth for Mr.Obama. He will

have to face various oppositions & obstacles, in foreign relations,

also in undertaking various initiatives for bail-outs. To be noted,his

opposition is much stronger than people supporting him.He will

certainly take steps for economic relief measures for the country, but

given this planetary conditions, I doubt whether he will be successful

with full support.Job positions might deterioarate in his country,

while there are ample reasons for trade & agriculture to fail. The

Leisure industry will be running at losses, however, he will be quite

successful in relieving the banks from their debts. Revenue cut is

also possible.Tenth lord in 12th lord's nakshatra, somehow tells me

his initiative in remigrating the outsourced jobs back to US, which is

a part of his Election Agenda. Now I calculated a 4 yr dasa for this

Prasna, as the Presidential Term in US is for 4 yrs.

 

The Dasa for his 4 yr rule, starts with Saturn Dasa. The nation's

first role is to control the debts of various banks etc, for which we

might see some bailouts from the next day of his oath. Saturn being

the 6th lord, aspected by Venus, who is the 2nd lord(revenue,

deposits) & 9th house lord aspects the 5th & 6th lord(debts). However,

we experience some lawlessness/attcks in this period, may be people

campaigning against a black president...may be!!!

Some infancy death may increase during this time as well,like public

ill-health.

Then comes the period of Mercury from July.This period is quite

important & significant period, When most of the initiative of the

president is going to fail, He will be in a dilemma on to take what

decision, as whatever decision he takes, may not be welcome by all,

may be the rulers of the states.At times he will be little successful.

However, when Ketu moves to Gemini this year, it can initiate some

problems. Specially, in the job sector of the country, while Rahu's

move to Sagittarius proves to be beneficial. It may indicate some

relief in the real estate sector.

 

Execution of convicts may also be possible during this period, Rahu

transits in Nakshatra of Venus, lord of 2nd & 9th house.So the

retrograde Mercury will certainly improve the condition of the country

during its period from July 2009 to February 2010.

Jupiter will meet his dire enemy in 6th bhava next year on January 10,

2010, whilst Saturn enters the 1st house of Prasna Lagna on October

12, 2009. The transit of Jupiter will be bad for the country & for

Mr.Obama's administration. Foreign relations may be affected, even

some celebrities may have some toughtime in the country, while

financial issuess, scandals are not impossible.Saturn's transit will

be neutral as he will be in Moon's Nakshatra. There can be an outbreak

of poor public health, territorial attacks & assassinations.

It is important to note that the Ketu will also start operating during

this period, which will be on till May, 2010.However, during the

period of Ketu, finances will be strong.

 

Numerology, 44th President & his Oath

 

As per Indian(or Hindu/Vedic Numerology) 44=4+4=8. 8 is the number of

Saturn as per Indian Numerology. It surely indicates that the his

Govt. is going to have a toughtime ahead. It also indicates government

being goal oriented, have to tackle a lot of oppositions.

 

There can be significant delays in undertakings, failures &

humiliation. Mr.Obama may prefer working alone than with a group,

while his works will be slow.

The day was 20th January, 2009, when added up, it becomes

2+0+0+1+2+0+0+9=14=1+4=5.

Number " 5 " is for Mercury in Hindu Numerology.

There can be creative methods of reforming the economy, which can be

endless. However, the country will be needing tolerance & be easily

satisfied for what it can make & can do.Nothing complex will work for,

the country, so simple yet effective measures have to be adopted with

consistent application of technology.

Year 2009(2+0+0+9=11=1+1=2) is opposite to that of Number 5, where

2009 is ruled by Moon. Moon is the emotion, the message of heart, the

significator of the mind, on the contrary, Mercury is the academic

discipline, our intellect, rationality, logic. As all would know,

emotions is always opposite to intellect.

So the journey of Mr.Barack Obama is not going to be smooth as usual.

He has a lot of work left ahead,on which he has to focus.

 

So help " Obama " God....

 

 

January 21st, 2009.

[Guest guest]

As per the US constitution, a man becomes President exactly at 12 noon local time, irrespective of whether he has taken the oath or not. So Obama was President before he too the oath about 4-5 minutes later. Oath is a mere formality and does not mark the time of start of the Presidency. I think it will be more accurate if a chart is cast for 12 noon.--- On Wed, 21/1/09, <gaurav.ghosh wrote: <gaurav.ghosh Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath Date: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 9:28 PM

 

||Jai Ramakrishna| |

Dear Learned Members,

I casted a prasna yesterday when Mr.Obama took his oath of office &

the analysis has been done in my website. I am extracting the material

posted in website.(Not giving the address here, as it may be allowed.

A simple web search on my name will do).

 

Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath

 

Mr.Barack H.Obama or Mr.Barack Hussein Obama is the 1st "black"

president in the history of United States of America, who took his

oath of office in a critical period,

when there is Global Economic Slowdown.US being the most powerful

economic republic, with its high GDP(Source-World Bank Report for the

year 2007) & ranks in first 20 in per-capita income have suffered

havoc for the past few months

(actually for the past few years, when the mortgage industry reached

its saturation level,the banks started failing for a number of

reasons, primarily many mortgage account holders started becoming

defaulters & ultimately loan foreclosures. Finally, banks had to sell

them had to either keep the house else sell it at minimum price, which

ultimately resulted in the lending bank's loss).

Let me put here the "Saga of Bank's Failure" in USA. I am not aware of

any other country, but in USA, the banks can sell the loan papers or

mortgage deed, to some other financial institution. For example,

Suppose Mr.A takes a loan from Bank ABC for $100K, at an interest of

10%, for over 30 years. With a Fixed interest, Mr.A's monthly payment

is $877.57.However, it will alter according to ARM(Adjustable Rate

Mortgage, in our country which is known as "Floating Rate").After

serving the mortgage for 1 yr, Bank ABC decides to sell this loan off

to Bank DEF for $120K, thus selling it at a premium of $20k.

Now the contract/deed remains the same, only the customer needs to

make his payment to Bank DEF, as instructed. After 6 months, Bank DEF

sells this loan to Bank GHI for $140K. Now Bank GHI is receiving the

monthly payments of this mortgage from Mr.A. Notice the inflated value

of the loan.Banks do this practise to gain the long term profit, as it

is three times than the original value of loan given to the customer.

 

After paying this loan regularly, Mr.A finds it difficult to continue

with this mortgage, due to pay cut, medical emergencies & a lot more

contingencies that might have hit him, like loss of jobs etc.

Now this Mr.A speaks to Bank GHI & asks for some options, which can be

deferral of one or two payments, which puts his loan behind. For

deferred payments, nothing goes towards his principal, as the amount

that was supposed to go to the principal is eaten away by the

"Deferred Amount".

Mr.A still tries hard, but finally fails to continue with his payment

& raises his hands above, as he cannot continue with the mortgage.

In USA, you can file a Bankruptcy, but in India???Its called

insolvent. In USA, everything depends on your credit, be your

education, buying commodities, even I heard interviews also depend on

your credit score, apart from giving loans.

So finally the loan doesn't get the paid-off. The bank has only option

of taking over the house & put the house on sale say for $100K, after

the property being foreclosed. Now a "second-hand house" isn't easy to

sale, as anyone trying to buy this house, have to take a loan/mortgage

from a bank & buy that house. Finally, the house is disposed off at

$80K, after much negotiation.

 

So you could see the total loss for the bank i.e. Bank GHI, which is

next $70K. This is one of the basic reason for the banks to fail in

US.Unfortunately, like India, the Central Bank in USA(Federal Reserve

Bank) has no control on the banks in USA. Each bank has its own

principle on charging interests from the customers, giving out loans.

 

The Real Estate industry was also at a boom, while the sky high

interest hit most of the customers to pay further & there was an

Economic crash & we started seeing big banks failing in USA like

Lehman Bros., Citigroup, Bank of America etc.

 

Election 2008

 

Election in United States in the year 2008 was quite significant. We

had a democratic Presidential Nominee from the Sr.Senator from the

State of Illinois, who campaigned saying that US needs a change, who

was contesting against a republican leader John Mccain, the Sr.Senator

of Arizona, who had been famous for making some controversial remarks.

The warmonger Bush did little in order to save his economy, as he was

busy in employing troops in Iraq & Afghanistan & also review the

baseless investigation reports by CIA.In order to do something some

good to the country, as a matter of respect, helped the banks for the

bail out, before leaving his office. So in this conjecture, it was

important for a person to handle the issues carefully.Several issues

like controlling Military expenses, create jobs in the country,

prevent further job cuts, tax relief for middle class people,

controlling its increasing debts etc.

As expected by many & wanted by many, Mr.Barack Hussein Obama was

elected as the President of United States of America

 

The Oath on 20th January 2009

"Yes we can to justice and equality. Yes we can to opportunity and

prosperity. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can repair this world.

Yes we can."

Thus having said these words, Mr.Barack Hussein Obama proclaimed

"Change has come to America". The year 2009 is very important for

United States of America. Mr.Abraham Lincoln's 200th birth anniversary

will be observed across United States, this year on February 12th.

People also find a marked similarity between Mr.Obama &

Mr.Lincoln-- -they contested from same state.

 

Ultimately the day has come. All the Americans & world had been

waiting for this big day.

 

With some initial fumble/interruption ,the 44th President Elect Barack

Hussein Obama takes the oath,while touching The Bible(which was used

by Mr.Abraham Lincoln, when he took his oath of office)

"I Barack Hussein Obama do solemnly swear that I will faithfully

execute the office of President of the United States....." , the local

time in Kolkata was 22:34:20 hrs(Indian Standard Time) on 20th January

2009.

 

Immediately a prasna chart was casted. Let's see what does it say

 

The Prasna Chart

 

The oath has been taken on a Tuesday afternoon(but the place the

Prasna was casted, it was Night), tithi was Krishna Dashami tithi.

Dashami tithi is lorded by Basuki, one of the 8 Holy snakes according

to Hindu Mythology. Basuki was that snake who helped the Devas &

Asuras during the great sea-churning. However, Dashami tithi falling

on a tuesday, results in Tithi-Dagdha, as many would know.The Yoga is

also Ganda Yoga,which is also not favourable.Good thing is Moon is in

Anuradha nakshatra, which is considered to be "Mridu"(modest

Nakshatra) & its deity being Indra, the lord of Devas.

 

Mr.Obama is taking his office in a very critical period, when his

country is facing a lot of economical issues, as we have been seeing

for the past 6-7 months(though the actual problem started 2 yrs ago,

when the mortgage industry reached its saturation point, sky high

interest rates, floating rates, even they have a ceiling, it never

decreased, even property costs were too high, while many customers

went to be defaulters & it was a major reason for the banks to fail,

as banks could do nothing, but dispose it off at any cost, which was a

major reason for the failure of Giants like Lehman bros for example),

it has been facing several unsolved issues, which were never been

solved by his predecessor. It was obvious for Obama to win, due to his

excessive campaigning & stressing upon that US needs a change. He also

added that the worst is over. Is it??Or it was a promo/trailer that he

has been watching for so far & the story will be "aired" in few

days??? Lets read the Prasna chart.

 

The Lagna is a dual & Shirshodaya sign. The Lagna lord is in 5th

house, retrograde with 12th lord Sun, 4th & 7th lord Jupiter & it

falls in RKA.Mercury, the Lagna lord, also happens to be Lord of Karma

Bhava. Lagna is in the Nakshatra of Moon(11th lord), while Mercury is

in the Nakshatra of Sun(12th lord) & Moon in the Nakshatra of

Saturn(retro) . Its notable here that Mercury & Sun are in 5th house in

the same degree & Mercury is eclipsed & also retrograde.Jupiter, the

4th & 7th lord is 3 degrees away from Sun, & also retrograde.RKA falls

in 5-11 houses from Lagna. Moon has Purna Ithsala with Mercury,Sun

while Bhavishyat Ithsala with Jupiter.

 

However there is Manua Yoga as well of all the planets involved in

Ithsala, as mentioned before.Mercury being retrograde, gets involved

in Rudda Yoga as well,so it cancels the Ithsala it formed with Moon.

Again see, the sign dispositor of 10th lord is Saturn, who is in 12th

house & retro.Lagna is being aspected only 2 planets---Jupiter & Rahu.

Now, Let's look at Dashamsa of the Prasna chart.

 

The Dasamsa Lagna is Scorpio with the 10th lord, Sun & Retro

Mercury(8th & 11th lord, aspected by Retrograde Saturn, while Lagna

lord goes to 10th house, assisted by Ketu, Moon(9th lord) & aspected

by Jupiter, lord of 2nd House & 5th house. An excellent Rajayoga that

forms in the Dashamsa. Now time for analysis, after all the technical

part.

 

So, combining all these technical stuff, the road to the White House

in The Capitol Hill is not going to be smooth for Mr.Obama. He will

have to face various oppositions & obstacles, in foreign relations,

also in undertaking various initiatives for bail-outs. To be noted,his

opposition is much stronger than people supporting him.He will

certainly take steps for economic relief measures for the country, but

given this planetary conditions, I doubt whether he will be successful

with full support.Job positions might deterioarate in his country,

while there are ample reasons for trade & agriculture to fail. The

Leisure industry will be running at losses, however, he will be quite

successful in relieving the banks from their debts. Revenue cut is

also possible.Tenth lord in 12th lord's nakshatra, somehow tells me

his initiative in remigrating the outsourced jobs back to US, which is

a part of his Election Agenda. Now I calculated a 4 yr dasa for this

Prasna, as the Presidential Term in US is for 4 yrs.

 

The Dasa for his 4 yr rule, starts with Saturn Dasa. The nation's

first role is to control the debts of various banks etc, for which we

might see some bailouts from the next day of his oath. Saturn being

the 6th lord, aspected by Venus, who is the 2nd lord(revenue,

deposits) & 9th house lord aspects the 5th & 6th lord(debts). However,

we experience some lawlessness/ attcks in this period, may be people

campaigning against a black president... may be!!!

Some infancy death may increase during this time as well,like public

ill-health.

Then comes the period of Mercury from July.This period is quite

important & significant period, When most of the initiative of the

president is going to fail, He will be in a dilemma on to take what

decision, as whatever decision he takes, may not be welcome by all,

may be the rulers of the states.At times he will be little successful.

However, when Ketu moves to Gemini this year, it can initiate some

problems. Specially, in the job sector of the country, while Rahu's

move to Sagittarius proves to be beneficial. It may indicate some

relief in the real estate sector.

 

Execution of convicts may also be possible during this period, Rahu

transits in Nakshatra of Venus, lord of 2nd & 9th house.So the

retrograde Mercury will certainly improve the condition of the country

during its period from July 2009 to February 2010.

Jupiter will meet his dire enemy in 6th bhava next year on January 10,

2010, whilst Saturn enters the 1st house of Prasna Lagna on October

12, 2009. The transit of Jupiter will be bad for the country & for

Mr.Obama's administration. Foreign relations may be affected, even

some celebrities may have some toughtime in the country, while

financial issuess, scandals are not impossible.Saturn' s transit will

be neutral as he will be in Moon's Nakshatra. There can be an outbreak

of poor public health, territorial attacks & assassinations.

It is important to note that the Ketu will also start operating during

this period, which will be on till May, 2010.However, during the

period of Ketu, finances will be strong.

 

Numerology, 44th President & his Oath

 

As per Indian(or Hindu/Vedic Numerology) 44=4+4=8. 8 is the number of

Saturn as per Indian Numerology. It surely indicates that the his

Govt. is going to have a toughtime ahead. It also indicates government

being goal oriented, have to tackle a lot of oppositions.

 

There can be significant delays in undertakings, failures &

humiliation. Mr.Obama may prefer working alone than with a group,

while his works will be slow.

The day was 20th January, 2009, when added up, it becomes

2+0+0+1+2+0+ 0+9=14=1+ 4=5.

Number "5" is for Mercury in Hindu Numerology.

There can be creative methods of reforming the economy, which can be

endless. However, the country will be needing tolerance & be easily

satisfied for what it can make & can do.Nothing complex will work for,

the country, so simple yet effective measures have to be adopted with

consistent application of technology.

Year 2009(2+0+0+9= 11=1+1=2) is opposite to that of Number 5, where

2009 is ruled by Moon. Moon is the emotion, the message of heart, the

significator of the mind, on the contrary, Mercury is the academic

discipline, our intellect, rationality, logic. As all would know,

emotions is always opposite to intellect.

So the journey of Mr.Barack Obama is not going to be smooth as usual.

He has a lot of work left ahead,on which he has to focus.

 

So help "Obama" God....

 

 

January 21st, 2009.

 

 

 

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Dear Bill Kumar,

I agree with you that Obama took oath 5 minutes later i.e. 12:05 GMT (and according to IST at 10:35 pm.) But still he took Oath. So I feel the time should be 12:05 GMT. I shall be glad to know the opinion of others

Regards

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Mr.Bill Kumar, Mr.Kursija & others,

First of the all, the oath was taken at 12:05 mins(Eastern Standard

TIme & not GMT which stands for Greenwich Mean Time).A president-elect

is a " president-elect " until he assumes the office & one assumes the

office, when he takes the oath. I hope everyone will agree with me.

Can we consider that a president-elect will remain to be the same,

without taking any oath??I hope everyone will agree with me in this

part. Like in India, suppose Dr.Manmohan Singh attains majority & is

the leader of the winning party & one of the candidate to be the prime

minister, so he officially becomes a PM once he takes an oath.

Likewise, Obama is the president once he has taken the oath.

You all can go through my analysis on the prasna casted when he took

the oath & comment on the same.

Thank you,

.

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija "

<sckursija wrote:

>

> Dear Bill Kumar,

> I agree with you that Obama took oath 5 minutes later i.e. 12:05 GMT

(and according to IST at 10:35 pm.) But still he took Oath. So I feel

the time should be 12:05 GMT. I shall be glad to know the opinion of

others

> Regards

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I read with interest the predictions made regarding Obama,based on

the timing of his oath taking. But then, the media has published

reports stating that the oath taken was void because the content of the

oath were not the same as enshrined in the constitution. And hence he

had to take it once again. But whereas, there has been also another

viewpoint that whatever time he might take oath, he is the President

from 12 noon itself. And some also say that it is like childbirth and

baptism. The day and time he was declared elected must be taken as the

time of he being the President, that is, sometime in November and Jan

20th 12 noon is the day and time of baptism or inauguration as

President.

 

Can we give a thought to this opinion. Would this be worth a discussion

at all. I am a novice and not as learned as most you and hence, all of

you can take a call on this.

 

Regards,

 

John--- On Thu, 1/22/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:S.C. Kursija <sckursija Re:Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:16 PM

 

Dear Bill Kumar,

I agree with you that Obama took oath 5 minutes later i.e. 12:05 GMT (and according to IST at 10:35 pm.) But still he took Oath. So I feel the time should be 12:05 GMT. I shall be glad to know the opinion of others

Regards

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Good observation.

 

I wished to write the same point some time back, but refrained myself

because did not wish to look like intruding the thread.

 

Anyways it does not make any differnce to me, what time he took oath,

because we have so many matters in india itself to study, Oath taking

ceremony in USA would be too far fetched studies for me.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, John Aldrich

<johnaldrichinc wrote:

>

>

> I read with interest the predictions made regarding Obama,based on

> the timing of his oath taking. But then, the media has published

> reports stating that the oath taken was void because the content of

the

> oath were not the same as enshrined in the constitution. And hence he

> had to take it once again. But whereas, there has been also another

> viewpoint that whatever time he might take oath, he is the President

> from 12 noon itself. And some also say that it is like childbirth and

> baptism. The day and time he was declared elected must be taken as the

> time of he being the President, that is, sometime in November and Jan

> 20th 12 noon is the day and time of baptism or inauguration as

> President.

>

>

>

> Can we give a thought to this opinion. Would this be worth a

discussion

> at all. I am a novice and not as learned as most you and hence, all of

> you can take a call on this.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> John

>

> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, S.C. Kursija sckursija wrote:

>

> S.C. Kursija sckursija

> Re:Barack Obama, the 44th

President of US & His Oath

>

> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:16 PM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Bill Kumar,

> I agree with you that Obama took oath 5 minutes later i.e. 12:05 GMT

(and according to IST at 10:35 pm.) But still he took Oath. So I feel

the time should be 12:05 GMT. I shall be glad to know the opinion of

others

> Regards

>

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Dear John,

 

It is my humble opinion that all three charts are valid and have

things to tell us about the upcoming four years of Obama's presidency,

though the 12:05 chart is perhaps most telling as it reveals the life

force/prana of Obama and the public when he spoke the promise and

millions cheered.

 

I feel that the different charts reflect different levels and degrees

of karma at play.

 

What is most interesting to me is to try and interpret the nimittas on

the inauguration day. They ran behind schedule and then there was

a mistake in the order of words spoken by Chief Justice Roberts and

followed by Pres. Obama. This omen may be related to big upcoming

problems between Obama's administration and the Supreme Court.

 

Also, having to make two separate oaths may reflect some

duality of heart, mind or consciousness in Obama, perhaps related to

his nature of bridging opposing factions in the world. I know it is

seen in Mercury in the swearing in chart because Mercury was

combust and retrograde...but what does it foretell for the future,

as an omen?

 

Thank you,

Juliana

 

, John Aldrich

<johnaldrichinc wrote:

>

>

> I read with interest the predictions made regarding Obama,based on

> the timing of his oath taking. But then, the media has published

> reports stating that the oath taken was void because the content of the

> oath were not the same as enshrined in the constitution. And hence he

> had to take it once again. But whereas, there has been also another

> viewpoint that whatever time he might take oath, he is the President

> from 12 noon itself. And some also say that it is like childbirth and

> baptism. The day and time he was declared elected must be taken as the

> time of he being the President, that is, sometime in November and Jan

> 20th 12 noon is the day and time of baptism or inauguration as

> President.

>

>

>

> Can we give a thought to this opinion. Would this be worth a discussion

> at all. I am a novice and not as learned as most you and hence, all of

> you can take a call on this.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> John

>

> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

>

> S.C. Kursija <sckursija

> Re:Barack Obama, the 44th

President of US & His Oath

>

> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:16 PM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Bill Kumar,

> I agree with you that Obama took oath 5 minutes later i.e. 12:05 GMT

(and according to IST at 10:35 pm.) But still he took Oath. So I feel

the time should be 12:05 GMT. I shall be glad to know the opinion of

others

> Regards

>

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Dear Bhaskarji Jhonji & others,

The way i look at it, Obama ( the President ) was concieved when he won the race against Sen. Mcain. Thus the beej was implanted in the womb. It came out with his swearing in. Thus he is now President.

Please see the connection between the placement of Sun & Saturn in his chart & the Transits during the sowing of the "beej" and the swearing in.

As for his tenure, I think the first day is promising and a pointer to what he is going to do thru his term. He may have removed a fundamental cause for agony for many people in the Islamic world. Now there will be less fig leaf's to cover for violence.

There will be many changes in the Big Oil / Big Industry nexus. And resultant pain to the autocratic monarchs in Middle East.

 

Thanks & Regards

 

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Thu, 22/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re:Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath Date: Thursday, 22 January, 2009, 9:44 PM

 

 

Good observation.I wished to write the same point some time back, but refrained myselfbecause did not wish to look like intruding the thread.Anyways it does not make any differnce to me, what time he took oath,because we have so many matters in india itself to study, Oath takingceremony in USA would be too far fetched studies for me.regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, John Aldrich<johnaldrichinc@ ...> wrote:>>> I read with interest the predictions made regarding Obama,based on> the timing of his oath taking. But then, the media has published> reports stating that the oath taken was void because the content ofthe> oath were not the same as enshrined in the constitution. And hence he> had to take it once again.

But whereas, there has been also another> viewpoint that whatever time he might take oath, he is the President> from 12 noon itself. And some also say that it is like childbirth and> baptism. The day and time he was declared elected must be taken as the> time of he being the President, that is, sometime in November and Jan> 20th 12 noon is the day and time of baptism or inauguration as> President.>>>> Can we give a thought to this opinion. Would this be worth adiscussion> at all. I am a novice and not as learned as most you and hence, all of> you can take a call on this.>>>> Regards,>>>> John>> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, S.C. Kursija sckursija@.. . wrote:>> S.C. Kursija sckursija@.. .> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Barack Obama, the 44thPresident of US & His

Oath> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:16 PM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bill Kumar,> I agree with you that Obama took oath 5 minutes later i.e. 12:05 GMT(and according to IST at 10:35 pm.) But still he took Oath. So I feelthe time should be 12:05 GMT. I shall be glad to know the opinion ofothers> Regards>

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Dear Chiranjiviji,

 

I appreciate your enthusiasm and inclinations towards analysis of such

incidences.

 

I normally never look up at charts of famous personalities unless I am

sure about their birth times. These people are too big and represent big

countries. I remember much before the electuons, one member of these

forums who does not visit the forums since last two years but is a great

Jyotish in my view, did send me a mail writing some similiraties between

mines and Obamas chart. But i laughed it off and deleted the mail, and

have never till date looked at Obamas chart.

 

I have still not perfected trying to predict many important important

incidents in a persons life, such as timing marriage etc, so for me, all

this is out of bounds.

 

Please carry on.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji Jhonji & others,

> The way i look at it, Obama ( the President ) was concieved when he

won the race against Sen. Mcain. Thus the beej was implanted in the

womb. It came out with his swearing in. Thus he is now President.

> Please see the connection between the placement of Sun & Saturn in his

chart & the Transits during the sowing of the " beej " and the swearing

in.

> As for his tenure, I think the first day is promising and a pointer to

what he is going to do thru his term. He may have removed a fundamental

cause for agony for many people in the Islamic world. Now there will be

less fig leaf's to cover for violence.

> There will be many changes in the Big Oil / Big Industry nexus. And

resultant pain to the autocratic monarchs in Middle East.

> Â

> Thanks & Regards

> Â

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

> --- On Thu, 22/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re:Barack Obama, the 44th

President of US & His Oath

>

> Thursday, 22 January, 2009, 9:44 PM

>

Good observation.

>

> I wished to write the same point some time back, but refrained myself

> because did not wish to look like intruding the thread.

>

> Anyways it does not make any differnce to me, what time he took oath,

> because we have so many matters in india itself to study, Oath taking

> ceremony in USA would be too far fetched studies for me.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, John Aldrich

> <johnaldrichinc@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I read with interest the predictions made regarding Obama,based on

> > the timing of his oath taking. But then, the media has published

> > reports stating that the oath taken was void because the content of

> the

> > oath were not the same as enshrined in the constitution. And hence

he

> > had to take it once again. But whereas, there has been also another

> > viewpoint that whatever time he might take oath, he is the President

> > from 12 noon itself. And some also say that it is like childbirth

and

> > baptism. The day and time he was declared elected must be taken as

the

> > time of he being the President, that is, sometime in November and

Jan

> > 20th 12 noon is the day and time of baptism or inauguration as

> > President.

> >

> >

> >

> > Can we give a thought to this opinion. Would this be worth a

> discussion

> > at all. I am a novice and not as learned as most you and hence, all

of

> > you can take a call on this.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > John

> >

> > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, S.C. Kursija sckursija@ . wrote:

> >

> > S.C. Kursija sckursija@ .

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Barack Obama, the 44th

> President of US & His Oath

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:16 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Bill Kumar,

> > I agree with you that Obama took oath 5 minutes later i.e. 12:05 GMT

> (and according to IST at 10:35 pm.) But still he took Oath. So I feel

> the time should be 12:05 GMT. I shall be glad to know the opinion of

> others

> > Regards

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Friends,

 

The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as void

because change in wording does not take away sentiment or meaning

expressed there in.

 

So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.

 

Tatvam-Asi

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hare ramakrishna

 

dear grp

 

astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on time of happening ( those who want pls remebr story of bhaskaracharya's daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as those days water clocks were using for measurin time )

 

so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as it is

 

this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's

so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who interested can post it for view and discussion in grp

 

i will tell my opinions on change of time later

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> > > Friends,> > The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as void > because change in wording does not take away sentiment or meaning > expressed there in.> > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.> > Tatvam-Asi>

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Namaste,

Shri.sunil nair ji,

Utterances of Vedic vakya 'bhakti hInam,kiriyaa hInam paripoorna tadustumae'

after completion of any rule bound holly karma, resembles to me that Sastras

treat our 'acts' as " full final and complete in all respects " if such acts were

done with true devotion / 'mana' involvement.

 

On the same,above footing the oath which was administered first time can be held

as " full final and complete in all respects " for the purpose of our astrological

declinations;on the other hand

Sou. Lilavati Bhaskara's case shall not be compared to the instant case as it is

different one,for the reason that she(Sou.Lilavati) willfully violated her

father Bhaskaracharya's instructions on the eve of her marriage mukurtha,hence

her marriage did not attained paripoorna state as desired by her father.

 

By weighing-in my above reasons,I hope you may agree to the views expressed by

Shri.Tatvam-Asi ji.

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

hare ramakrishna

 

dear grp

 

astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on time of happening (

those who want pls remebr story of bhaskaracharya's daughters marriage time

blocked by some small pearl as those days water clocks were using for measurin

time )

 

so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as it is

 

this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's

so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who interested can post

it for view and discussion in grp

 

i will tell my opinions on change of time later

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, " nameisego " <nameisego

wrote:

>

>

>

> Friends,

>

> The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as void

> because change in wording does not take away sentiment or meaning

> expressed there in.

>

> So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

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hare rama krishna

dear gupta ji /name is ego ji

 

what ever others may take on it here is my views .

 

i AM giving 2 instances as i dont know wat happened ON US oath taking muhurtha

 

one is in due cource u r re doing it ,like u r going to a place but find u r mistAKEN AND TAKEN A DIFFRNT rOUTE,so correcting here SO THE MUHURTHA IS SAME as OLD ONE

 

OTHER IS LATER U UNDERSTOOD IT IS WRONG AND U r RE DOing IT ,IT IS DIFFRNT MUHURTHA all together ,we dont care here obama is 44th prez or not here .just use astro principles only .

 

SO U CAN TAKE it DEPENDS ON THE INCIDENT AS I AM NOT AWARE OF IT.but pls aware of the principles involved than mistaking it .

REALY WAT HAPPENED IN US i dont know yet nor interested too unless grp is interested (even that is wy i asked others to make chart and post it for dsicussions )

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:>> Namaste,> Shri.sunil nair ji,> Utterances of Vedic vakya 'bhakti hInam,kiriyaa hInam paripoorna tadustumae' after completion of any rule bound holly karma, resembles to me that Sastras treat our 'acts' as "full final and complete in all respects" if such acts were done with true devotion / 'mana' involvement.> > On the same,above footing the oath which was administered first time can be held as "full final and complete in all respects" for the purpose of our astrological declinations;on the other hand> Sou. Lilavati Bhaskara's case shall not be compared to the instant case as it is different one,for the reason that she(Sou.Lilavati) willfully violated her father Bhaskaracharya's instructions on the eve of her marriage mukurtha,hence her marriage did not attained paripoorna state as desired by her father.> > By weighing-in my above reasons,I hope you may agree to the views expressed by Shri.Tatvam-Asi ji.> > With regards,> D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > hare ramakrishna> > dear grp > > astrology is kala tantra means the prediction s based on time of happening ( those who want pls remebr story of bhaskaracharya's daughters marriage time blocked by some small pearl as those days water clocks were using for measurin time )> > so any change is change in timing and it shud b taken as it is > > this is the view of orthodox vedic astro prinicple 's > so in short new time is applicable for OBama and those who interested can post it for view and discussion in grp > > i will tell my opinions on change of time later > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > , "nameisego" nameisego@ wrote:> >> > > > > > Friends,> > > > The oath which was administered first time cannot be held as void > > because change in wording does not take away sentiment or meaning > > expressed there in.> > > > So IMHO, first oath should be taken into account.> > > > Tatvam-Asi> >>

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Dear Kumar,

It may not be correct to cast chart basing on the formal time of becoming President. Unless he takes Oath and sign the document he cannot be considered as assuming charge. This is entirely, my personal openion

 

Thanx to all

Ghatty Chandra--- On Thu, 22/1/09, bill kumar <billupa1 wrote:

bill kumar <billupa1Re: Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oath Date: Thursday, 22 January, 2009, 10:58 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

As per the US constitution, a man becomes President exactly at 12 noon local time, irrespective of whether he has taken the oath or not. So Obama was President before he too the oath about 4-5 minutes later. Oath is a mere formality and does not mark the time of start of the Presidency. I think it will be more accurate if a chart is cast for 12 noon.--- On Wed, 21/1/09, <gaurav.ghosh@ > wrote:

<gaurav.ghosh@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His Oathancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, 21 January, 2009, 9:28 PM

 

 

||Jai Ramakrishna| |Dear Learned Members,I casted a prasna yesterday when Mr.Obama took his oath of office & the analysis has been done in my website. I am extracting the materialposted in website.(Not giving the address here, as it may be allowed.A simple web search on my name will do).Barack Obama, the 44th President of US & His OathMr.Barack H.Obama or Mr.Barack Hussein Obama is the 1st "black"president in the history of United States of America, who took hisoath of office in a critical period,when there is Global Economic Slowdown..US being the most powerfuleconomic republic, with its high GDP(Source-World Bank Report for theyear 2007) & ranks in first 20 in per-capita income have sufferedhavoc for the past few months(actually for the past few years, when the mortgage industry reachedits saturation level,the banks started failing for a number ofreasons, primarily

many mortgage account holders started becomingdefaulters & ultimately loan foreclosures. Finally, banks had to sellthem had to either keep the house else sell it at minimum price, whichultimately resulted in the lending bank's loss).Let me put here the "Saga of Bank's Failure" in USA. I am not aware ofany other country, but in USA, the banks can sell the loan papers ormortgage deed, to some other financial institution.. For example,Suppose Mr.A takes a loan from Bank ABC for $100K, at an interest of10%, for over 30 years. With a Fixed interest, Mr.A's monthly paymentis $877.57.However, it will alter according to ARM(Adjustable RateMortgage, in our country which is known as "Floating Rate").Afterserving the mortgage for 1 yr, Bank ABC decides to sell this loan offto Bank DEF for $120K, thus selling it at a premium of $20k.Now the contract/deed remains the same, only the customer needs tomake his

payment to Bank DEF, as instructed. After 6 months, Bank DEFsells this loan to Bank GHI for $140K. Now Bank GHI is receiving themonthly payments of this mortgage from Mr.A. Notice the inflated valueof the loan.Banks do this practise to gain the long term profit, as itis three times than the original value of loan given to the customer.After paying this loan regularly, Mr.A finds it difficult to continuewith this mortgage, due to pay cut, medical emergencies & a lot morecontingencies that might have hit him, like loss of jobs etc.Now this Mr.A speaks to Bank GHI & asks for some options, which can bedeferral of one or two payments, which puts his loan behind. Fordeferred payments, nothing goes towards his principal, as the amountthat was supposed to go to the principal is eaten away by the"Deferred Amount".Mr.A still tries hard, but finally fails to continue with his payment & raises

his hands above, as he cannot continue with the mortgage.In USA, you can file a Bankruptcy, but in India???Its calledinsolvent. In USA, everything depends on your credit, be youreducation, buying commodities, even I heard interviews also depend onyour credit score, apart from giving loans.So finally the loan doesn't get the paid-off. The bank has only optionof taking over the house & put the house on sale say for $100K, afterthe property being foreclosed. Now a "second-hand house" isn't easy tosale, as anyone trying to buy this house, have to take a loan/mortgagefrom a bank & buy that house. Finally, the house is disposed off at$80K, after much negotiation.So you could see the total loss for the bank i.e. Bank GHI, which isnext $70K. This is one of the basic reason for the banks to fail inUS.Unfortunately, like India, the Central Bank in USA(Federal ReserveBank) has no control on the

banks in USA. Each bank has its ownprinciple on charging interests from the customers, giving out loans.The Real Estate industry was also at a boom, while the sky highinterest hit most of the customers to pay further & there was anEconomic crash & we started seeing big banks failing in USA likeLehman Bros., Citigroup, Bank of America etc.Election 2008Election in United States in the year 2008 was quite significant. Wehad a democratic Presidential Nominee from the Sr.Senator from theState of Illinois, who campaigned saying that US needs a change, whowas contesting against a republican leader John Mccain, the Sr.Senatorof Arizona, who had been famous for making some controversial remarks.The warmonger Bush did little in order to save his economy, as he wasbusy in employing troops in Iraq & Afghanistan & also review thebaseless investigation reports by CIA.In order to do

something somegood to the country, as a matter of respect, helped the banks for thebail out, before leaving his office. So in this conjecture, it wasimportant for a person to handle the issues carefully.Several issueslike controlling Military expenses, create jobs in the country,prevent further job cuts, tax relief for middle class people,controlling its increasing debts etc.As expected by many & wanted by many, Mr.Barack Hussein Obama waselected as the President of United States of AmericaThe Oath on 20th January 2009"Yes we can to justice and equality. Yes we can to opportunity andprosperity. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can repair this world.Yes we can."Thus having said these words, Mr.Barack Hussein Obama proclaimed"Change has come to America". The year 2009 is very important forUnited States of America. Mr.Abraham Lincoln's 200th birth anniversarywill be observed across

United States, this year on February 12th.People also find a marked similarity between Mr.Obama & Mr.Lincoln-- -they contested from same state.Ultimately the day has come. All the Americans & world had beenwaiting for this big day.With some initial fumble/interruption ,the 44th President Elect BarackHussein Obama takes the oath,while touching The Bible(which was usedby Mr.Abraham Lincoln, when he took his oath of office)"I Barack Hussein Obama do solemnly swear that I will faithfullyexecute the office of President of the United States....." , the localtime in Kolkata was 22:34:20 hrs(Indian Standard Time) on 20th January2009.Immediately a prasna chart was casted. Let's see what does it sayThe Prasna ChartThe oath has been taken on a Tuesday afternoon(but the place thePrasna was casted, it was Night), tithi was Krishna Dashami tithi.Dashami tithi is lorded by

Basuki, one of the 8 Holy snakes accordingto Hindu Mythology. Basuki was that snake who helped the Devas & Asuras during the great sea-churning. However, Dashami tithi fallingon a tuesday, results in Tithi-Dagdha, as many would know.The Yoga isalso Ganda Yoga,which is also not favourable.Good thing is Moon is inAnuradha nakshatra, which is considered to be "Mridu"(modestNakshatra) & its deity being Indra, the lord of Devas.Mr.Obama is taking his office in a very critical period, when hiscountry is facing a lot of economical issues, as we have been seeingfor the past 6-7 months(though the actual problem started 2 yrs ago,when the mortgage industry reached its saturation point, sky highinterest rates, floating rates, even they have a ceiling, it neverdecreased, even property costs were too high, while many customerswent to be defaulters & it was a major reason for the banks to fail,as

banks could do nothing, but dispose it off at any cost, which was amajor reason for the failure of Giants like Lehman bros for example),it has been facing several unsolved issues, which were never beensolved by his predecessor. It was obvious for Obama to win, due to hisexcessive campaigning & stressing upon that US needs a change. He alsoadded that the worst is over. Is it??Or it was a promo/trailer that hehas been watching for so far & the story will be "aired" in fewdays??? Lets read the Prasna chart.The Lagna is a dual & Shirshodaya sign. The Lagna lord is in 5thhouse, retrograde with 12th lord Sun, 4th & 7th lord Jupiter & itfalls in RKA.Mercury, the Lagna lord, also happens to be Lord of KarmaBhava. Lagna is in the Nakshatra of Moon(11th lord), while Mercury isin the Nakshatra of Sun(12th lord) & Moon in the Nakshatra ofSaturn(retro) . Its notable here that Mercury

& Sun are in 5th house inthe same degree & Mercury is eclipsed & also retrograde.Jupiter, the4th & 7th lord is 3 degrees away from Sun, & also retrograde.RKA fallsin 5-11 houses from Lagna. Moon has Purna Ithsala with Mercury,Sunwhile Bhavishyat Ithsala with Jupiter.However there is Manua Yoga as well of all the planets involved inIthsala, as mentioned before.Mercury being retrograde, gets involvedin Rudda Yoga as well,so it cancels the Ithsala it formed with Moon.Again see, the sign dispositor of 10th lord is Saturn, who is in 12thhouse & retro.Lagna is being aspected only 2 planets---Jupiter & Rahu.Now, Let's look at Dashamsa of the Prasna chart.The Dasamsa Lagna is Scorpio with the 10th lord, Sun & RetroMercury(8th & 11th lord, aspected by Retrograde Saturn, while Lagnalord goes to 10th house, assisted by Ketu, Moon(9th lord) & aspectedby Jupiter,

lord of 2nd House & 5th house. An excellent Rajayoga thatforms in the Dashamsa. Now time for analysis, after all the technicalpart.So, combining all these technical stuff, the road to the White Housein The Capitol Hill is not going to be smooth for Mr.Obama. He willhave to face various oppositions & obstacles, in foreign relations,also in undertaking various initiatives for bail-outs. To be noted,hisopposition is much stronger than people supporting him.He willcertainly take steps for economic relief measures for the country, butgiven this planetary conditions, I doubt whether he will be successfulwith full support..Job positions might deterioarate in his country,while there are ample reasons for trade & agriculture to fail. TheLeisure industry will be running at losses, however, he will be quitesuccessful in relieving the banks from their debts. Revenue cut isalso possible.Tenth

lord in 12th lord's nakshatra, somehow tells mehis initiative in remigrating the outsourced jobs back to US, which isa part of his Election Agenda. Now I calculated a 4 yr dasa for thisPrasna, as the Presidential Term in US is for 4 yrs.The Dasa for his 4 yr rule, starts with Saturn Dasa. The nation'sfirst role is to control the debts of various banks etc, for which wemight see some bailouts from the next day of his oath. Saturn beingthe 6th lord, aspected by Venus, who is the 2nd lord(revenue,deposits) & 9th house lord aspects the 5th & 6th lord(debts). However,we experience some lawlessness/ attcks in this period, may be peoplecampaigning against a black president... may be!!!Some infancy death may increase during this time as well,like publicill-health.Then comes the period of Mercury from July.This period is quiteimportant & significant period, When most of the initiative of

thepresident is going to fail, He will be in a dilemma on to take whatdecision, as whatever decision he takes, may not be welcome by all,may be the rulers of the states.At times he will be little successful.However, when Ketu moves to Gemini this year, it can initiate someproblems. Specially, in the job sector of the country, while Rahu'smove to Sagittarius proves to be beneficial. It may indicate somerelief in the real estate sector.Execution of convicts may also be possible during this period, Rahutransits in Nakshatra of Venus, lord of 2nd & 9th house.So theretrograde Mercury will certainly improve the condition of the countryduring its period from July 2009 to February 2010.Jupiter will meet his dire enemy in 6th bhava next year on January 10,2010, whilst Saturn enters the 1st house of Prasna Lagna on October12, 2009. The transit of Jupiter will be bad for the country &

forMr.Obama's administration. Foreign relations may be affected, evensome celebrities may have some toughtime in the country, whilefinancial issuess, scandals are not impossible.Saturn' s transit willbe neutral as he will be in Moon's Nakshatra. There can be an outbreakof poor public health, territorial attacks & assassinations.It is important to note that the Ketu will also start operating duringthis period, which will be on till May, 2010.However, during theperiod of Ketu, finances will be strong.Numerology, 44th President & his OathAs per Indian(or Hindu/Vedic Numerology) 44=4+4=8. 8 is the number ofSaturn as per Indian Numerology. It surely indicates that the hisGovt. is going to have a toughtime ahead. It also indicates governmentbeing goal oriented, have to tackle a lot of oppositions.There can be significant delays in undertakings, failures & humiliation. Mr.Obama

may prefer working alone than with a group,while his works will be slow.The day was 20th January, 2009, when added up, it becomes2+0+0+1+2+0+ 0+9=14=1+ 4=5.Number "5" is for Mercury in Hindu Numerology.There can be creative methods of reforming the economy, which can beendless. However, the country will be needing tolerance & be easilysatisfied for what it can make & can do.Nothing complex will work for,the country, so simple yet effective measures have to be adopted withconsistent application of technology.Year 2009(2+0+0+9= 11=1+1=2) is opposite to that of Number 5, where2009 is ruled by Moon. Moon is the emotion, the message of heart, thesignificator of the mind, on the contrary, Mercury is the academicdiscipline, our intellect, rationality, logic. As all would know,emotions is always opposite to intellect.So the journey of Mr.Barack Obama is not going to be smooth as usual.He

has a lot of work left ahead,on which he has to focus.So help "Obama" God....January 21st, 2009.

 

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Dear all,

The time of the oath taking is a sensitive issue.

Here are two examples. You can yourself decide which is the right time for both issues.

1) A person with evil intentions entered a house where he knew a lady stays alone. He overpowered her and was about to impregnate her, but the door bell rang and he had to leave her in a dishevelled condition to attend the door bell. The work over with the courier person who deliverd a parcel, he once again went to the room where he had tied the lady and gagged her, and finished with the impregnating part. So now what time will you take for the impregnation here ? The previous one or the actual time of impregnation ? ( For those who are sattvic minded please change the characters in the above example to a newly married couple who were disturbed on their first night)

2) At a prize giving and honouring ceremony, the author received the Nobel prize and was handed the statue in presence of the dignitaries and audience. But theperson in charge of the shoot could not take the proper pictures, as someone shielded his camera by coming in between . He asked the Chief Guest on the podium to once again handover the prize to the winner, so that he could take the photo. Now which time would you take here for the prize received ?

regards/Bhaskar.

 

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Namaste,

 

The doer received,donor donned - the first sparisa mukurtha endured co-operation

among all concerned !

 

Regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

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Respected members,

I also feel that the ist time of oath taking of Obama should be taken for the

calculation only e.g. India got freedom on August 15, 1947 and declared republic

on Jan 26, 1950. There are some astrologer who predict for the year from 26th

Jan, 1950. But most of the eminent and celebrated astrologers predict on the

basis of 15th August, 1947.

Regards

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Dear members,

 

Yes, I agree with Mr. Kursija ji on taking the first time oath as the

time for calculation purpose......for anything subsequently happening is

derivative of the first one only.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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dear Kursija ji is getting freedom and becoming a republic is same ??regrds sunil nair , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Respected members,> I also feel that the ist time of oath taking of Obama should be taken for the calculation only e.g. India got freedom on August 15, 1947 and declared republic on Jan 26, 1950. There are some astrologer who predict for the year from 26th Jan, 1950. But most of the eminent and celebrated astrologers predict on the basis of 15th August, 1947.> Regards>

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Dear Bhaskar ji i think u know the answer to the questions u put forward here in first case when the act is realy happened and in 2nd case when the the price is realy distributed here there is no doubt abt it otherwise if some big wrestler mockly fails in frnd of his sisters young kid ,will we record it and take it as his failure ?? and he was deafeated by a young kid of 3 or 4 yrs ??No one understands what i am saying or thinks abt basis ,even in Kp the sub lords or sub sub lords decides ,if u thinks what is it exactly it is a time frame rite ??if nothing is applicable then whole astro is baseless and we r happy and we can do wat ever we feel like too Then why any one needs muhurtha /hora /signs nd even nakshtras s??biggest enmy of astrology sri Kaul ji who advocates muhurtha will not say this first of all any muhurtha is max 24 Minits .then if some one drags ( even knowingly or unknowingly ( and does it in some other sign or naskhtras then it will show its effects for sure ,interested parties can test it .self testing is best one and exprnce will b giving real lessons .)why the first muhurtha of oath taking got cancelled automaticaly ?? did any one think that ??did any one has any answer to it?? if there is no answer then u r free to take any time as u wish and no need of any muhurtha and all this is hogwash only And even the world is free to breath fresh air regrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear all,> > The time of the oath taking is a sensitive issue.> > Here are two examples. You can yourself decide which is the right time> for both issues.> > 1) A person with evil intentions entered a house where he knew a lady> stays alone. He overpowered her and was about to impregnate her, but the> door bell rang and he had to leave her in a dishevelled condition to> attend the door bell. The work over with the courier person who deliverd> a parcel, he once again went to the room where he had tied the lady and> gagged her, and finished with the impregnating part. So now what time> will you take for the impregnation here ? The previous one or the actual> time of impregnation ? ( For those who are sattvic minded please change> the characters in the above example to a newly married couple who were> disturbed on their first night)> > 2) At a prize giving and honouring ceremony, the author received the> Nobel prize and was handed the statue in presence of the dignitaries and> audience. But theperson in charge of the shoot could not take the proper> pictures, as someone shielded his camera by coming in between . He asked> the Chief Guest on the podium to once again handover the prize to the> winner, so that he could take the photo. Now which time would you take> here for the prize received ?> > regards/Bhaskar.>

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Namaste Mr. Sathiyanarayana & Mr. Name-is-Ego ji,

 

I recall from historical documents and notes, about the great

Vijayanagar empire foundation......where the original muhurta was fixed,

but during execution of foundation stone, some odd sound was mistaken as

the right omen, which was later realised as the wrong { by few minutes}

.....by then the life of the empire was brought done from 500 yrs to 250

yrs.....

 

A slight variation to the muhurta under-discussion.

 

with regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas