Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear Vinayji,The physical planets been identified from the ancient times so I will not like to think of them as not being astrological planets. For example the festival of "Kumbha" is connected with the presence of the physical planet Jupiter in the Simha rashi. The effects of the planets on the human beings and on the earth depend on the combination of several factors, as has been mentioned in my mail sent yesterday. Probably you have overlooked that mail, where I was talking of the interdependence of these factors and the resulting fuzzy effect. The astrological planets Rahu and Ketu are however the mathematical points to describe additional effects of the relative linear positioning of the Sun, the Moon and the Earth. For this kind of advanced work as well as for the Geocentric mathematical work one must salute the ancient greats and no scientist can demean them. Like they have their own place the modern scientists too have their place. Here I am not talking only about the academically trained scientists. I include them also who have faith in science.It appeared that you have assumed that the modern astronomers are not aware of the interdependence of the effects of the various factors and that the scientists consider only the masses of these heavenly bodies. Regards,SKB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Sir,You are discussing from within an ivory tower, I have faced the dilemma of working on new grounds and presenting my results in scientific manner so as to make my work acceptable. Why you suppose I am blind to see physical planets. But astrological effects of physical planets is an unscientific notion which you will never be able to get published in any peer revieweed scientific journal. I know the "intense love" mainstream scientists exhibit for astrology, and the "respectable" place astrology finds in scientific journals.I would love to see your fuzzy theory about astrological effect of physical planets published in any peer reviewed scientific journal.You did not read carefully my paper to CAOS, IISc, in which it was clearly mentioned that my theory of rain forecasting was based upon astronomy, otherwise you sould not have reminded me of influence of planets upon Earth. Many scientists have investigated upon connections of sun spot cycles, lunar phases, etc upon Earth's seasons, although I deleted such references from my paper in order to make my paper short and compact. But can you cite any scientific paper on the role of Saturn or Rahu on Earth's seasons ?? Since you are not interested in astrological test of astrology and insist on physical explanation of astrology, I must demand you should base your fuzzy logic on well established and well sourced doctrines of modern science.-VJ============== ============= , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Vinayji,> > The physical planets been identified from the ancient times so I will not like to think of them as not being astrological planets. For example the festival of "Kumbha" is connected with the presence of the physical planet Jupiter in the Simha rashi. The effects of the planets on the human beings and on the earth depend on the combination of several factors, as has been mentioned in my mail sent yesterday. Probably you have overlooked that mail, where I was talking of the interdependence of these factors and the resulting fuzzy effect. The astrological planets Rahu and Ketu are however the mathematical points to describe additional effects of the relative linear positioning of the Sun, the Moon and the Earth. For this kind of advanced work as well as for the Geocentric mathematical work one must salute the ancient greats and no scientist can demean them. Like they have their own place the modern scientists too have their place. Here I am not> talking only about the academically trained scientists. I include them also who have faith in science.> > It appeared that you have assumed that the modern astronomers are not aware of the interdependence of the effects of the various factors and that the scientists consider only the masses of these heavenly bodies.> > Regards,> > SKB> > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16 wrote:> vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16 Re: let us get back to discussions> > Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:35 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jee@ & c:> > > > Your comments :"in his enthusiasm for the ancient teachings, Vinayji> > has shown some disdain for the modern science."> > > > I say that physical astronomy is perfectly true for physical world but> > not for non-physical things ; it is not a rejection for for disdain of> > modern science.> > > > Astrology deals with non-physical deities incidentally bearing same> > names as physical planets , and astrology deals with astrological> > effects of these daities which is outside the subject matter of modern> > science. I know no reputed scienctist in the world accepts astrology> > as "scientific" and that is why scientists oppose teaching of> > astrology in generak universities. They want to destroy astrology.> > Persons like Sunil jee are exceptions who may believe astrology to be> > a true branch of knowledge.> > > > Astrology cannot be proven to be perfectly true unless it is tested on> > the basis of its original mathematics, which Sunil jee interprets as> > my disdain for modern science.> > > > I could get approval for my work from world's reputed scientific> > institutions only through my connections with astrological researches,> > so great is disdain for astrology among most of scientists.> > > > Before declaring me to be an opponent of modern science, Sunil jee> > should have tested my proficiency in his own subject atomic physics,> > which was my first love, followed by astronomy, I learnt astrology later.> > > > _VJ> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Dear Vinay jee, By Physical Planet position (Astronomy) we get only the positions of planets but for Astrological effects we are depended on only our ancient text which have written by our great Munis and Mahrishis.So that scientist not considering our Astrology as science because they could not find any relation in both of them and we are unable to explain it.I am agree with you in such way. Presently we are unable to explain the any relation or Astrology and Astronomy as such regards to right prediction.How the physical planets effects us or in other word control us.These all putting the question marks on our great knowledge of Astrology as says unscientific other means.Which is not fact we know we are controlled by our 'Grah' and it is pure science but we still don't know how they effect us so the controversy arising with different views. People are interested in only ready made solution not interested to devote some time in some difficult subjects to understand it properly and scientifically. If some feel it's all just time consuming for them, they go on their way and rise some interesting topics by which they can involve most of members with them.Who are interested in your topic they will go on in discussion with you.Stopping to any body to say is not a right approach and solution at all. If you have some new in astrology you can take your time but give some material so people can wait for more.I know some complex subjects needed some elementary rectification and well explanations then people can understand the real subject.Every body is so curiously waiting for final outcome.I am also with them. Other wise take new topics to explore your knowledge and experiences with we all. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Sir, > > You are discussing from within an ivory tower, I have faced the dilemma > of working on new grounds and presenting my results in scientific > manner so as to make my work acceptable. > > Why you suppose I am blind to see physical planets. But astrological > effects of physical planets is an unscientific notion which you will > never be able to get published in any peer revieweed scientific journal. > I know the " intense love " mainstream scientists exhibit for astrology, > and the " respectable " place astrology finds in scientific journals. > > I would love to see your fuzzy theory about astrological effect of > physical planets published in any peer reviewed scientific journal. > > You did not read carefully my paper to CAOS, IISc, in which it was > clearly mentioned that my theory of rain forecasting was based upon > astronomy, otherwise you sould not have reminded me of influence of > planets upon Earth. Many scientists have investigated upon connections > of sun spot cycles, lunar phases, etc upon Earth's seasons, although I > deleted such references from my paper in order to make my paper short > and compact. But can you cite any scientific paper on the role of Saturn > or Rahu on Earth's seasons ?? Since you are not interested in > astrological test of astrology and insist on physical explanation of > astrology, I must demand you should base your fuzzy logic on well > established and well sourced doctrines of modern science. > > -VJ > ============== ============= > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > The physical planets been identified from the ancient times so I will > not like to think of them as not being astrological planets. For > example the festival of " Kumbha " is connected with the presence of the > physical planet Jupiter in the Simha rashi. The effects of the planets > on the human beings and on the earth depend on the combination of > several factors, as has been mentioned in my mail sent yesterday. > Probably you have overlooked that mail, where I was talking of the > interdependence of these factors and the resulting fuzzy effect. The > astrological planets Rahu and Ketu are however the mathematical points > to describe additional effects of the relative linear positioning of the > Sun, the Moon and the Earth. For this kind of advanced work as well as > for the Geocentric mathematical work one must salute the ancient greats > and no scientist can demean them. Like they have their own place the > modern scientists too have their place. Here I am not > > talking only about the academically trained scientists. I include > them also who have faith in science. > > > > It appeared that you have assumed that the modern astronomers are not > aware of the interdependence of the effects of the various factors and > that the scientists consider only the masses of these heavenly bodies. > > > > Regards, > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: let us get back to discussions > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jee@ & c: > > > > > > > > Your comments : " in his enthusiasm for the ancient teachings, Vinayji > > > > has shown some disdain for the modern science. " > > > > > > > > I say that physical astronomy is perfectly true for physical world but > > > > not for non-physical things ; it is not a rejection for for disdain of > > > > modern science. > > > > > > > > Astrology deals with non-physical deities incidentally bearing same > > > > names as physical planets , and astrology deals with astrological > > > > effects of these daities which is outside the subject matter of modern > > > > science. I know no reputed scienctist in the world accepts astrology > > > > as " scientific " and that is why scientists oppose teaching of > > > > astrology in generak universities. They want to destroy astrology. > > > > Persons like Sunil jee are exceptions who may believe astrology to be > > > > a true branch of knowledge. > > > > > > > > Astrology cannot be proven to be perfectly true unless it is tested on > > > > the basis of its original mathematics, which Sunil jee interprets as > > > > my disdain for modern science. > > > > > > > > I could get approval for my work from world's reputed scientific > > > > institutions only through my connections with astrological researches, > > > > so great is disdain for astrology among most of scientists. > > > > > > > > Before declaring me to be an opponent of modern science, Sunil jee > > > > should have tested my proficiency in his own subject atomic physics, > > > > which was my first love, followed by astronomy, I learnt astrology > later. > > > > > > > > _VJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Bohra Jee, You said : " People are interested in only ready made solution not interested to devote some time in some difficult subjects... Every body is so curiously waiting for final outcome. " I offered a ready made solution, which a large number of people are downloading and using ( 295 downloads in 13 days). I never STARTED any technical or difficult issue, because any wastage of my precious time is resulting in a delay of next update of my software. But when I answer, I am charged of raising difficult issues. Some people are not interested in touching my software and want me to prove it. My software has been approved by Sanskrit university recognized by UGC, among other reputed institutions, but these proofs are inadequate. Such persons are free to reject me. -VJ ========= ============ , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Vinay jee, > > By Physical Planet position (Astronomy) we get only the positions of > planets but for Astrological effects we are depended on only our > ancient text which have written by our great Munis and Mahrishis.So > that scientist not considering our Astrology as science because they > could not find any relation in both of them and we are unable to > explain it.I am agree with you in such way. > > Presently we are unable to explain the any relation or Astrology and > Astronomy as such regards to right prediction.How the physical planets > effects us or in other word control us.These all putting the question > marks on our great knowledge of Astrology as says unscientific other > means.Which is not fact we know we are controlled by our 'Grah' and it > is pure science but we still don't know how they effect us so the > controversy arising with different views. > > People are interested in only ready made solution not interested to > devote some time in some difficult subjects to understand it properly > and scientifically. > > If some feel it's all just time consuming for them, they go on their > way and rise some interesting topics by which they can involve most of > members with them.Who are interested in your topic they will go on in > discussion with you.Stopping to any body to say is not a right > approach and solution at all. > > If you have some new in astrology you can take your time but give some > material so people can wait for more.I know some complex subjects > needed some elementary rectification and well explanations then people > can understand the real subject.Every body is so curiously waiting for > final outcome.I am also with them. > > Other wise take new topics to explore your knowledge and experiences > with we all. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > You are discussing from within an ivory tower, I have faced the dilemma > > of working on new grounds and presenting my results in scientific > > manner so as to make my work acceptable. > > > > Why you suppose I am blind to see physical planets. But astrological > > effects of physical planets is an unscientific notion which you will > > never be able to get published in any peer revieweed scientific journal. > > I know the " intense love " mainstream scientists exhibit for astrology, > > and the " respectable " place astrology finds in scientific journals. > > > > I would love to see your fuzzy theory about astrological effect of > > physical planets published in any peer reviewed scientific journal. > > > > You did not read carefully my paper to CAOS, IISc, in which it was > > clearly mentioned that my theory of rain forecasting was based upon > > astronomy, otherwise you sould not have reminded me of influence of > > planets upon Earth. Many scientists have investigated upon connections > > of sun spot cycles, lunar phases, etc upon Earth's seasons, although I > > deleted such references from my paper in order to make my paper short > > and compact. But can you cite any scientific paper on the role of Saturn > > or Rahu on Earth's seasons ?? Since you are not interested in > > astrological test of astrology and insist on physical explanation of > > astrology, I must demand you should base your fuzzy logic on well > > established and well sourced doctrines of modern science. > > > > -VJ > > ============== ============= > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > > > The physical planets been identified from the ancient times so I will > > not like to think of them as not being astrological planets. For > > example the festival of " Kumbha " is connected with the presence of the > > physical planet Jupiter in the Simha rashi. The effects of the planets > > on the human beings and on the earth depend on the combination of > > several factors, as has been mentioned in my mail sent yesterday. > > Probably you have overlooked that mail, where I was talking of the > > interdependence of these factors and the resulting fuzzy effect. The > > astrological planets Rahu and Ketu are however the mathematical points > > to describe additional effects of the relative linear positioning of the > > Sun, the Moon and the Earth. For this kind of advanced work as well as > > for the Geocentric mathematical work one must salute the ancient greats > > and no scientist can demean them. Like they have their own place the > > modern scientists too have their place. Here I am not > > > talking only about the academically trained scientists. I include > > them also who have faith in science. > > > > > > It appeared that you have assumed that the modern astronomers are not > > aware of the interdependence of the effects of the various factors and > > that the scientists consider only the masses of these heavenly bodies. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ > > > Re: let us get back to discussions > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jee@ & c: > > > > > > > > > > > > Your comments : " in his enthusiasm for the ancient teachings, Vinayji > > > > > > has shown some disdain for the modern science. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I say that physical astronomy is perfectly true for physical world but > > > > > > not for non-physical things ; it is not a rejection for for disdain of > > > > > > modern science. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology deals with non-physical deities incidentally bearing same > > > > > > names as physical planets , and astrology deals with astrological > > > > > > effects of these daities which is outside the subject matter of modern > > > > > > science. I know no reputed scienctist in the world accepts astrology > > > > > > as " scientific " and that is why scientists oppose teaching of > > > > > > astrology in generak universities. They want to destroy astrology. > > > > > > Persons like Sunil jee are exceptions who may believe astrology to be > > > > > > a true branch of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology cannot be proven to be perfectly true unless it is tested on > > > > > > the basis of its original mathematics, which Sunil jee interprets as > > > > > > my disdain for modern science. > > > > > > > > > > > > I could get approval for my work from world's reputed scientific > > > > > > institutions only through my connections with astrological researches, > > > > > > so great is disdain for astrology among most of scientists. > > > > > > > > > > > > Before declaring me to be an opponent of modern science, Sunil jee > > > > > > should have tested my proficiency in his own subject atomic physics, > > > > > > which was my first love, followed by astronomy, I learnt astrology > > later. > > > > > > > > > > > > _VJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Dear vinay jee, That para was for those who wants only ready made solution but not wish to know the whole system or base of system.If we learn through basic of any system than we can understand what is the real difference between this and others.It was not comment on your efforts. You are giving new software which based on new theories,if we understand your theories well then we will in position to know your whole concept well,it was my intention to say that. You have did so many efforts to develop new vision it will take time to accept and so many hurdle you will face.Right or wrong it will decide by future time only. Presently,impressed by you immense efforts. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Bohra Jee, > You said : " People are interested in only ready made solution not > interested to devote some time in some difficult subjects... Every > body is so curiously waiting for final outcome. " > > I offered a ready made solution, which a large number of people are > downloading and using ( 295 downloads in 13 days). I never STARTED any > technical or difficult issue, because any wastage of my precious time > is resulting in a delay of next update of my software. But when I > answer, I am charged of raising difficult issues. > > Some people are not interested in touching my software and want me to > prove it. My software has been approved by Sanskrit university > recognized by UGC, among other reputed institutions, but these proofs > are inadequate. Such persons are free to reject me. > > -VJ > ========= ============ > , " msbohra62 " > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > By Physical Planet position (Astronomy) we get only the positions of > > planets but for Astrological effects we are depended on only our > > ancient text which have written by our great Munis and Mahrishis.So > > that scientist not considering our Astrology as science because they > > could not find any relation in both of them and we are unable to > > explain it.I am agree with you in such way. > > > > Presently we are unable to explain the any relation or Astrology and > > Astronomy as such regards to right prediction.How the physical planets > > effects us or in other word control us.These all putting the question > > marks on our great knowledge of Astrology as says unscientific other > > means.Which is not fact we know we are controlled by our 'Grah' and it > > is pure science but we still don't know how they effect us so the > > controversy arising with different views. > > > > People are interested in only ready made solution not interested to > > devote some time in some difficult subjects to understand it properly > > and scientifically. > > > > If some feel it's all just time consuming for them, they go on their > > way and rise some interesting topics by which they can involve most of > > members with them.Who are interested in your topic they will go on in > > discussion with you.Stopping to any body to say is not a right > > approach and solution at all. > > > > If you have some new in astrology you can take your time but give some > > material so people can wait for more.I know some complex subjects > > needed some elementary rectification and well explanations then people > > can understand the real subject.Every body is so curiously waiting for > > final outcome.I am also with them. > > > > Other wise take new topics to explore your knowledge and experiences > > with we all. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > You are discussing from within an ivory tower, I have faced the > dilemma > > > of working on new grounds and presenting my results in scientific > > > manner so as to make my work acceptable. > > > > > > Why you suppose I am blind to see physical planets. But astrological > > > effects of physical planets is an unscientific notion which you will > > > never be able to get published in any peer revieweed scientific > journal. > > > I know the " intense love " mainstream scientists exhibit for > astrology, > > > and the " respectable " place astrology finds in scientific journals. > > > > > > I would love to see your fuzzy theory about astrological effect of > > > physical planets published in any peer reviewed scientific journal. > > > > > > You did not read carefully my paper to CAOS, IISc, in which it was > > > clearly mentioned that my theory of rain forecasting was based upon > > > astronomy, otherwise you sould not have reminded me of influence of > > > planets upon Earth. Many scientists have investigated upon connections > > > of sun spot cycles, lunar phases, etc upon Earth's seasons, although I > > > deleted such references from my paper in order to make my paper short > > > and compact. But can you cite any scientific paper on the role of > Saturn > > > or Rahu on Earth's seasons ?? Since you are not interested in > > > astrological test of astrology and insist on physical explanation of > > > astrology, I must demand you should base your fuzzy logic on well > > > established and well sourced doctrines of modern science. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============== ============= > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > > > > > The physical planets been identified from the ancient times so I > will > > > not like to think of them as not being astrological planets. For > > > example the festival of " Kumbha " is connected with the presence > of the > > > physical planet Jupiter in the Simha rashi. The effects of the planets > > > on the human beings and on the earth depend on the combination of > > > several factors, as has been mentioned in my mail sent yesterday. > > > Probably you have overlooked that mail, where I was talking of the > > > interdependence of these factors and the resulting fuzzy effect. The > > > astrological planets Rahu and Ketu are however the mathematical points > > > to describe additional effects of the relative linear positioning > of the > > > Sun, the Moon and the Earth. For this kind of advanced work as well as > > > for the Geocentric mathematical work one must salute the ancient > greats > > > and no scientist can demean them. Like they have their own place the > > > modern scientists too have their place. Here I am not > > > > talking only about the academically trained scientists. I include > > > them also who have faith in science. > > > > > > > > It appeared that you have assumed that the modern astronomers > are not > > > aware of the interdependence of the effects of the various factors and > > > that the scientists consider only the masses of these heavenly bodies. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ > > > > Re: let us get back to > discussions > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jee@ & c: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your comments : " in his enthusiasm for the ancient teachings, Vinayji > > > > > > > > has shown some disdain for the modern science. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I say that physical astronomy is perfectly true for physical > world but > > > > > > > > not for non-physical things ; it is not a rejection for for > disdain of > > > > > > > > modern science. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology deals with non-physical deities incidentally bearing same > > > > > > > > names as physical planets , and astrology deals with astrological > > > > > > > > effects of these daities which is outside the subject matter of > modern > > > > > > > > science. I know no reputed scienctist in the world accepts astrology > > > > > > > > as " scientific " and that is why scientists oppose teaching of > > > > > > > > astrology in generak universities. They want to destroy astrology. > > > > > > > > Persons like Sunil jee are exceptions who may believe astrology > to be > > > > > > > > a true branch of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology cannot be proven to be perfectly true unless it is > tested on > > > > > > > > the basis of its original mathematics, which Sunil jee interprets as > > > > > > > > my disdain for modern science. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could get approval for my work from world's reputed scientific > > > > > > > > institutions only through my connections with astrological > researches, > > > > > > > > so great is disdain for astrology among most of scientists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before declaring me to be an opponent of modern science, Sunil jee > > > > > > > > should have tested my proficiency in his own subject atomic physics, > > > > > > > > which was my first love, followed by astronomy, I learnt astrology > > > later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _VJ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Bohra jee, every one was angry because I was proposing something which was old. And you call it new !! My concepts have nothing new. My software is based upon texts compulsory in the Ganitacharya curriculum of Sanskrit universities in India. If I am expected to explain the whole system here, I will have to explain the whole syllabus of Ganitacharya here, which is not possible ! One should enrol at any recognized Sanskrit university as a student of Jyotisha. But if you want to know salient features instead of the whole system, I can delineate them, gradually. Why some members do not trust the decision of all heads of departments of all Sanskrit universities of India in favour of Suryasiddhanta earlier posted by me ? I am not lying if I say it is not my new idea. It is at the bottom of following page : http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s+Report%3B+%26+my+Paper+accepted+by\ +CAOS%2C+IISc and at following page : http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Credentials -VJ ============= =================== , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear vinay jee, > > That para was for those who wants only ready made solution but not > wish to know the whole system or base of system.If we learn through > basic of any system than we can understand what is the real difference > between this and others.It was not comment on your efforts. > > You are giving new software which based on new theories,if we > understand your theories well then we will in position to know your > whole concept well,it was my intention to say that. > > You have did so many efforts to develop new vision it will take time > to accept and so many hurdle you will face.Right or wrong it will > decide by future time only. > > Presently,impressed by you immense efforts. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > Bohra Jee, > > You said : " People are interested in only ready made solution not > > interested to devote some time in some difficult subjects... Every > > body is so curiously waiting for final outcome. " > > > > I offered a ready made solution, which a large number of people are > > downloading and using ( 295 downloads in 13 days). I never STARTED any > > technical or difficult issue, because any wastage of my precious time > > is resulting in a delay of next update of my software. But when I > > answer, I am charged of raising difficult issues. > > > > Some people are not interested in touching my software and want me to > > prove it. My software has been approved by Sanskrit university > > recognized by UGC, among other reputed institutions, but these proofs > > are inadequate. Such persons are free to reject me. > > > > -VJ > > ========= ============ > > , " msbohra62 " > > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > > > By Physical Planet position (Astronomy) we get only the positions of > > > planets but for Astrological effects we are depended on only our > > > ancient text which have written by our great Munis and Mahrishis.So > > > that scientist not considering our Astrology as science because they > > > could not find any relation in both of them and we are unable to > > > explain it.I am agree with you in such way. > > > > > > Presently we are unable to explain the any relation or Astrology and > > > Astronomy as such regards to right prediction.How the physical planets > > > effects us or in other word control us.These all putting the question > > > marks on our great knowledge of Astrology as says unscientific other > > > means.Which is not fact we know we are controlled by our 'Grah' and it > > > is pure science but we still don't know how they effect us so the > > > controversy arising with different views. > > > > > > People are interested in only ready made solution not interested to > > > devote some time in some difficult subjects to understand it properly > > > and scientifically. > > > > > > If some feel it's all just time consuming for them, they go on their > > > way and rise some interesting topics by which they can involve most of > > > members with them.Who are interested in your topic they will go on in > > > discussion with you.Stopping to any body to say is not a right > > > approach and solution at all. > > > > > > If you have some new in astrology you can take your time but give some > > > material so people can wait for more.I know some complex subjects > > > needed some elementary rectification and well explanations then people > > > can understand the real subject.Every body is so curiously waiting for > > > final outcome.I am also with them. > > > > > > Other wise take new topics to explore your knowledge and experiences > > > with we all. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " > > > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > You are discussing from within an ivory tower, I have faced the > > dilemma > > > > of working on new grounds and presenting my results in scientific > > > > manner so as to make my work acceptable. > > > > > > > > Why you suppose I am blind to see physical planets. But astrological > > > > effects of physical planets is an unscientific notion which you will > > > > never be able to get published in any peer revieweed scientific > > journal. > > > > I know the " intense love " mainstream scientists exhibit for > > astrology, > > > > and the " respectable " place astrology finds in scientific journals. > > > > > > > > I would love to see your fuzzy theory about astrological effect of > > > > physical planets published in any peer reviewed scientific journal. > > > > > > > > You did not read carefully my paper to CAOS, IISc, in which it was > > > > clearly mentioned that my theory of rain forecasting was based upon > > > > astronomy, otherwise you sould not have reminded me of influence of > > > > planets upon Earth. Many scientists have investigated upon > connections > > > > of sun spot cycles, lunar phases, etc upon Earth's seasons, > although I > > > > deleted such references from my paper in order to make my paper > short > > > > and compact. But can you cite any scientific paper on the role of > > Saturn > > > > or Rahu on Earth's seasons ?? Since you are not interested in > > > > astrological test of astrology and insist on physical explanation of > > > > astrology, I must demand you should base your fuzzy logic on well > > > > established and well sourced doctrines of modern science. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > ============== ============= > > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > > > > > > > The physical planets been identified from the ancient times so I > > will > > > > not like to think of them as not being astrological planets. For > > > > example the festival of " Kumbha " is connected with the presence > > of the > > > > physical planet Jupiter in the Simha rashi. The effects of the > planets > > > > on the human beings and on the earth depend on the combination of > > > > several factors, as has been mentioned in my mail sent yesterday. > > > > Probably you have overlooked that mail, where I was talking of the > > > > interdependence of these factors and the resulting fuzzy > effect. The > > > > astrological planets Rahu and Ketu are however the mathematical > points > > > > to describe additional effects of the relative linear positioning > > of the > > > > Sun, the Moon and the Earth. For this kind of advanced work as > well as > > > > for the Geocentric mathematical work one must salute the ancient > > greats > > > > and no scientist can demean them. Like they have their own place the > > > > modern scientists too have their place. Here I am not > > > > > talking only about the academically trained scientists. I include > > > > them also who have faith in science. > > > > > > > > > > It appeared that you have assumed that the modern astronomers > > are not > > > > aware of the interdependence of the effects of the various > factors and > > > > that the scientists consider only the masses of these heavenly > bodies. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Re: let us get back to > > discussions > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jee@ & c: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your comments : " in his enthusiasm for the ancient teachings, > Vinayji > > > > > > > > > > has shown some disdain for the modern science. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I say that physical astronomy is perfectly true for physical > > world but > > > > > > > > > > not for non-physical things ; it is not a rejection for for > > disdain of > > > > > > > > > > modern science. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology deals with non-physical deities incidentally bearing > same > > > > > > > > > > names as physical planets , and astrology deals with astrological > > > > > > > > > > effects of these daities which is outside the subject matter of > > modern > > > > > > > > > > science. I know no reputed scienctist in the world accepts > astrology > > > > > > > > > > as " scientific " and that is why scientists oppose teaching of > > > > > > > > > > astrology in generak universities. They want to destroy astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Persons like Sunil jee are exceptions who may believe astrology > > to be > > > > > > > > > > a true branch of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology cannot be proven to be perfectly true unless it is > > tested on > > > > > > > > > > the basis of its original mathematics, which Sunil jee > interprets as > > > > > > > > > > my disdain for modern science. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could get approval for my work from world's reputed scientific > > > > > > > > > > institutions only through my connections with astrological > > researches, > > > > > > > > > > so great is disdain for astrology among most of scientists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before declaring me to be an opponent of modern science, Sunil jee > > > > > > > > > > should have tested my proficiency in his own subject atomic > physics, > > > > > > > > > > which was my first love, followed by astronomy, I learnt astrology > > > > later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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