Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Jupiter's cycle is already separate, and it is well documented. Its annual effects are mentioned since time immemorial. Many scientists have also worked on it. My work has NO connection with Jupiter. NO CONNECTION AT ALL . But it does not mean Jupiter's cycle is false. -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear Vinayji,It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature reference.SKB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Sir, You say " It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature reference. " You must have specifiy which of my statements appeared in need of referencing ; I will provide the reference. I never write falsities. But it is not possible to write in the manner of scientific papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much time. Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience and are interested only in the history of its mathematical aspect,rest of astrology is bogus. Unless they apply their " scientific method " to astrology, it is impossible to convince them of anything. All your doubts can be cleared if you test the " astrological " results of what you or I say. Without a test of practical applicability of astrology, any discussion is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that website to you which contains the most important things of astrology. You can get the perfect " modern astronomical " differential equation of mean moon from Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it onlt if I say it is from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta. Suryasiddhanta is abominable, outdated, anachronistic,obscurantist, etc. I got my rain forecasts verified from topmost scientific establishments, but even you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of those forecasts. I am tolerating this waste of my time on dead history just because I want to attract the attention of members here towards the future. What is the use of quotations from ancient if scientists continue to believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess what I find true, and I make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify my results into the JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard, because if I reveal the whole truth, scientists will refuse to listen, so great is their hatred for such things. Now I must bore you with something like atomic physics in astrophysics. Earth's Precessional Period PP = 25789.48832324 years Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14 Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964, which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton wrt electron, notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty which causes some amount of uncertainty in our measurements. There are many such " coincidence " in physics which defy all explanations. You must have heard of Superstring Theory of Michael Green also, which is a different thing but has many similar coincidences. Since you want to detract me from my main theme (vefification of astrology scientifically) will bore you with many such " coincidences " in future, if you do not get angry. I am not going to be buried in talks about mere history ; if history cannot help in shaping future it is useless. Sincerely, -VJ , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Vinayji, > > It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature reference. > > SKB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Vinayji, Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical significance or the concept of the mathematical operation must be known otherwise the tool has no use. Regards, SKB--- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Brihata Jataka Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM Sir,You say "It will be very nice of you if you can give some literaturereference." You must have specifiy which of my statements appeared inneed of referencing ; I will provide the reference. I never writefalsities. But it is not possible to write in the manner of scientificpapers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much time.Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience and are interestedonly in the history of its mathematical aspect,rest of astrology isbogus. Unless they apply their "scientific method" to astrology, it isimpossible to convince them of anything. All your doubts can becleared if you test the "astrological" results of what you or I say.Without a test of practical applicability of astrology, any discussionis a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that website to you whichcontains the most important things of astrology. You can get theperfect "modern astronomical" differential equation of mean moon fromSuryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it onlt if I say it isfrom XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta. Suryasiddhanta isabominable, outdated, anachronistic, obscurantist, etc. I got my rainforecasts verified from topmost scientific establishments, but evenyou will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of those forecasts. I amtolerating this waste of my time on dead history just because I wantto attract the attention of members here towards the future.What is the use of quotations from ancient if scientists continue tobelieve those texts to be outdated ? I possess what I find true, and Imake forecasts on that basis, and then I modify my results into theJARGON of modern science to get my voice heard, because if I revealthe whole truth, scientists will refuse to listen, so great is theirhatred for such things.Now I must bore you with something like atomic physics in astrophysics.Earth's Precessional Period PP = 25789.48832324 yearsTropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days(1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964,which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton wrt electron,notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty which causes some amountof uncertainty in our measurements.There are many such "coincidence" in physics which defy allexplanations. You must have heard of Superstring Theory of MichaelGreen also, which is a different thing but has many similarcoincidences. Since you want to detract me from my main theme(vefification of astrology scientifically) will bore you with manysuch "coincidences" in future, if you do not get angry. I am not goingto be buried in talks about mere history ; if history cannot help inshaping future it is useless.Sincerely,-VJancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Dear Vinayji,> > It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature reference.> > SKB> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Sunil Jee, Your view is perfectly valid for physical sciences. But the criterion of test of astrology is astrological significance and not the physical significance. We need that model of astrology which gives best astrological results. Compliance with rules of physical astronomy is not a criterion for astrology, because this supposed rule has created a situation in which no software is fully satidfactory. -VJ ============ ============ ============ , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Vinayji, > > Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical significance or the concept of the mathematical operation must be known otherwise the tool has no use. > > Regards, > > SKB > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 > Re: Brihata Jataka > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM Sir, > > You say " It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature > reference. " You must have specifiy which of my statements appeared in > need of referencing ; I will provide the reference. I never write > falsities. But it is not possible to write in the manner of scientific > papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much time. > > Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience and are interested > only in the history of its mathematical aspect,rest of astrology is > bogus. Unless they apply their " scientific method " to astrology, it is > impossible to convince them of anything. All your doubts can be > cleared if you test the " astrological " results of what you or I say. > Without a test of practical applicability of astrology, any discussion > is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that website to you which > contains the most important things of astrology. You can get the > perfect " modern astronomical " differential equation of mean moon from > Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it onlt if I say it is > from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta. Suryasiddhanta is > abominable, outdated, anachronistic, obscurantist, etc. I got my rain > forecasts verified from topmost scientific establishments, but even > you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of those forecasts. I am > tolerating this waste of my time on dead history just because I want > to attract the attention of members here towards the future. > > What is the use of quotations from ancient if scientists continue to > believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess what I find true, and I > make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify my results into the > JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard, because if I reveal > the whole truth, scientists will refuse to listen, so great is their > hatred for such things. > > Now I must bore you with something like atomic physics in astrophysics. > > Earth's Precessional Period PP = 25789.48832324 years > Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days > > (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14 > > Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964, > > which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton wrt electron, > notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty which causes some amount > of uncertainty in our measurements. > > There are many such " coincidence " in physics which defy all > explanations. You must have heard of Superstring Theory of Michael > Green also, which is a different thing but has many similar > coincidences. Since you want to detract me from my main theme > (vefification of astrology scientifically) will bore you with many > such " coincidences " in future, if you do not get angry. I am not going > to be buried in talks about mere history ; if history cannot help in > shaping future it is useless. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature reference. > > > > SKB > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Vinayji,You have missed the point. You showed some arithmetical calculations but did not tell about their significance whether physical or astrological.SKB--- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Brihata Jataka Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:26 AM Sunil Jee, Your view is perfectly valid for physical sciences. But the criterion of test of astrology is astrological significance and not the physical significance. We need that model of astrology which gives best astrological results. Compliance with rules of physical astronomy is not a criterion for astrology, because this supposed rule has created a situation in which no software is fully satidfactory. -VJ ============ ============ ============ ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Vinayji, > > Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical significance or the concept of the mathematical operation must be known otherwise the tool has no use. > > Regards, > > SKB > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM > > > > > > > Sir, > > You say "It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature > reference." You must have specifiy which of my statements appeared in > need of referencing ; I will provide the reference. I never write > falsities. But it is not possible to write in the manner of scientific > papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much time. > > Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience and are interested > only in the history of its mathematical aspect,rest of astrology is > bogus. Unless they apply their "scientific method" to astrology, it is > impossible to convince them of anything. All your doubts can be > cleared if you test the "astrological" results of what you or I say. > Without a test of practical applicability of astrology, any discussion > is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that website to you which > contains the most important things of astrology. You can get the > perfect "modern astronomical" differential equation of mean moon from > Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it onlt if I say it is > from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta. Suryasiddhanta is > abominable, outdated, anachronistic, obscurantist, etc. I got my rain > forecasts verified from topmost scientific establishments, but even > you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of those forecasts. I am > tolerating this waste of my time on dead history just because I want > to attract the attention of members here towards the future. > > What is the use of quotations from ancient if scientists continue to > believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess what I find true, and I > make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify my results into the > JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard, because if I reveal > the whole truth, scientists will refuse to listen, so great is their > hatred for such things. > > Now I must bore you with something like atomic physics in astrophysics. > > Earth's Precessional Period PP = 25789.48832324 years > Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days > > (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14 > > Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964, > > which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton wrt electron, > notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty which causes some amount > of uncertainty in our measurements. > > There are many such "coincidence" in physics which defy all > explanations. You must have heard of Superstring Theory of Michael > Green also, which is a different thing but has many similar > coincidences. Since you want to detract me from my main theme > (vefification of astrology scientifically) will bore you with many > such "coincidences" in future, if you do not get angry. I am not going > to be buried in talks about mere history ; if history cannot help in > shaping future it is useless. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature reference. > > > > SKB > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Sir, The significance of things you want requires a whole book, which will have no connection with astrology. You are diverting me away from my present task of proving the validity of practical astrology. See /message/17527 -VK ================ ================== , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Vinayji, > > You have missed the point. You showed some arithmetical calculations but did not tell about their significance whether physical or astrological. > > SKB > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 > Re: Brihata Jataka > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:26 AM > > > > > Sunil Jee, > > > > Your view is perfectly valid for physical sciences. But the criterion > > of test of astrology is astrological significance and not the physical > > significance. We need that model of astrology which gives best > > astrological results. Compliance with rules of physical astronomy is > > not a criterion for astrology, because this supposed rule has created > > a situation in which no software is fully satidfactory. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ============ ============ > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > Vinayji, > > > > > > Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical significance or the > > concept of the mathematical operation must be known otherwise the tool > > has no use. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > You say " It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature > > > reference. " You must have specifiy which of my statements appeared in > > > need of referencing ; I will provide the reference. I never write > > > falsities. But it is not possible to write in the manner of scientific > > > papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much time. > > > > > > Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience and are interested > > > only in the history of its mathematical aspect,rest of astrology is > > > bogus. Unless they apply their " scientific method " to astrology, it is > > > impossible to convince them of anything. All your doubts can be > > > cleared if you test the " astrological " results of what you or I say. > > > Without a test of practical applicability of astrology, any discussion > > > is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that website to you which > > > contains the most important things of astrology. You can get the > > > perfect " modern astronomical " differential equation of mean moon from > > > Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it onlt if I say it is > > > from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta. Suryasiddhanta is > > > abominable, outdated, anachronistic, obscurantist, etc. I got my rain > > > forecasts verified from topmost scientific establishments, but even > > > you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of those forecasts. I am > > > tolerating this waste of my time on dead history just because I want > > > to attract the attention of members here towards the future. > > > > > > What is the use of quotations from ancient if scientists continue to > > > believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess what I find true, and I > > > make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify my results into the > > > JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard, because if I reveal > > > the whole truth, scientists will refuse to listen, so great is their > > > hatred for such things. > > > > > > Now I must bore you with something like atomic physics in astrophysics. > > > > > > Earth's Precessional Period PP = 25789.48832324 years > > > Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days > > > > > > (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14 > > > > > > Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964, > > > > > > which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton wrt electron, > > > notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty which causes some amount > > > of uncertainty in our measurements. > > > > > > There are many such " coincidence " in physics which defy all > > > explanations. You must have heard of Superstring Theory of Michael > > > Green also, which is a different thing but has many similar > > > coincidences. Since you want to detract me from my main theme > > > (vefification of astrology scientifically) will bore you with many > > > such " coincidences " in future, if you do not get angry. I am not going > > > to be buried in talks about mere history ; if history cannot help in > > > shaping future it is useless. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > > > > > It will be very nice of you if you can give some literature reference. > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Vinayji, If that is so my request to you would be that kindly do not show such things which would need the writing of a book to explain. Thus you will save yourself from the impending trouble. SKB --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 > Re: Brihata Jataka > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:06 PM > Sir, > > The significance of things you want requires a whole book, > which will > have no connection with astrology. You are diverting me > away from my > present task of proving the validity of practical > astrology. See > /message/17527 > > -VK > ================ ================== > > , Sunil > Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > > > Vinayji, > > > > You have missed the point. You showed some > arithmetical calculations > but did not tell about their significance whether physical > or > astrological. > > > > SKB > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 > <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 > > Re: Brihata Jataka > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jee, > > > > > > > > Your view is perfectly valid for physical sciences. > But the criterion > > > > of test of astrology is astrological significance and > not the physical > > > > significance. We need that model of astrology which > gives best > > > > astrological results. Compliance with rules of > physical astronomy is > > > > not a criterion for astrology, because this supposed > rule has created > > > > a situation in which no software is fully > satidfactory. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > ============ ============ ============ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Vinayji, > > > > > > > > > > Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical > significance or the > > > > concept of the mathematical operation must be known > otherwise the tool > > > > has no use. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata > Jataka > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > You say " It will be very nice of you if you > can give some literature > > > > > reference. " You must have specifiy which of > my statements appeared in > > > > > need of referencing ; I will provide the > reference. I never write > > > > > falsities. But it is not possible to write in the > manner of scientific > > > > > papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much > time. > > > > > > > > > > Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience > and are interested > > > > > only in the history of its mathematical > aspect,rest of astrology is > > > > > bogus. Unless they apply their " scientific > method " to astrology, it is > > > > > impossible to convince them of anything. All your > doubts can be > > > > > cleared if you test the " astrological " > results of what you or I say. > > > > > Without a test of practical applicability of > astrology, any discussion > > > > > is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that > website to you which > > > > > contains the most important things of astrology. > You can get the > > > > > perfect " modern astronomical " > differential equation of mean moon from > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it > onlt if I say it is > > > > > from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta. > Suryasiddhanta is > > > > > abominable, outdated, anachronistic, > obscurantist, etc. I got my rain > > > > > forecasts verified from topmost scientific > establishments, but even > > > > > you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of > those forecasts. I am > > > > > tolerating this waste of my time on dead history > just because I want > > > > > to attract the attention of members here towards > the future. > > > > > > > > > > What is the use of quotations from ancient if > scientists continue to > > > > > believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess > what I find true, and I > > > > > make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify > my results into the > > > > > JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard, > because if I reveal > > > > > the whole truth, scientists will refuse to > listen, so great is their > > > > > hatred for such things. > > > > > > > > > > Now I must bore you with something like atomic > physics in > astrophysics. > > > > > > > > > > Earth's Precessional Period PP = > 25789.48832324 years > > > > > Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days > > > > > > > > > > (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14 > > > > > > > > > > Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964, > > > > > > > > > > which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton > wrt electron, > > > > > notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty > which causes some amount > > > > > of uncertainty in our measurements. > > > > > > > > > > There are many such " coincidence " in > physics which defy all > > > > > explanations. You must have heard of Superstring > Theory of Michael > > > > > Green also, which is a different thing but has > many similar > > > > > coincidences. Since you want to detract me from > my main theme > > > > > (vefification of astrology scientifically) will > bore you with many > > > > > such " coincidences " in future, if you > do not get angry. I am not going > > > > > to be buried in talks about mere history ; if > history cannot help in > > > > > shaping future it is useless. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, Sunil > Bhattacharjya > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be very nice of you if you can give > some literature > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Dear Vinayji, You do not know the meaning of abuse. You have not been abused uptil now, because the members here are good and patient. But its high time that you prove us what is the essence of your dicssuions and presence here ? Your software is hard to download, is the feedback given by many over here and not just few. I had put some queries to you which were simple and connected to your own subject, but yet you were helpless in replying same. Apart from the greatness of your software as projected by you, and the knowledge of your un-verificable academic degrees, what else has been explained here or put forth, i could not understand. Please illuminate on same. Bhaskar. , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Sir, > What " impending trouble " you talk of ? What more trouble can I face. > Not a single day has elapsed without at least one abusive message > against me. I mentioned some difficult things in annoyance, because > the simple things are not allowed here, even by you : please read the > following before I leave this forum : > " Scientific Method of Comparing Astrological Softwares " ( > /message/17527 ) > -VJ > ============== =================== > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote: > > > > Vinayji, > > > > If that is so my request to you would be that kindly do not show > such things which would need the writing of a book to explain. Thus > you will save yourself from the impending trouble. > > > > SKB > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ > > > Re: Brihata Jataka > > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:06 PM > > > Sir, > > > > > > The significance of things you want requires a whole book, > > > which will > > > have no connection with astrology. You are diverting me > > > away from my > > > present task of proving the validity of practical > > > astrology. See > > > /message/17527 > > > > > > -VK > > > ================ ================== > > > > > > , Sunil > > > Bhattacharjya > > > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Vinayji, > > > > > > > > You have missed the point. You showed some > > > arithmetical calculations > > > but did not tell about their significance whether physical > > > or > > > astrological. > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 > > > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> > > > > Re: Brihata Jataka > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your view is perfectly valid for physical sciences. > > > But the criterion > > > > > > > > of test of astrology is astrological significance and > > > not the physical > > > > > > > > significance. We need that model of astrology which > > > gives best > > > > > > > > astrological results. Compliance with rules of > > > physical astronomy is > > > > > > > > not a criterion for astrology, because this supposed > > > rule has created > > > > > > > > a situation in which no software is fully > > > satidfactory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ============ ============ ============ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinayji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical > > > significance or the > > > > > > > > concept of the mathematical operation must be known > > > otherwise the tool > > > > > > > > has no use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata > > > Jataka > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say " It will be very nice of you if you > > > can give some literature > > > > > > > > > reference. " You must have specifiy which of > > > my statements appeared in > > > > > > > > > need of referencing ; I will provide the > > > reference. I never write > > > > > > > > > falsities. But it is not possible to write in the > > > manner of scientific > > > > > > > > > papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience > > > and are interested > > > > > > > > > only in the history of its mathematical > > > aspect,rest of astrology is > > > > > > > > > bogus. Unless they apply their " scientific > > > method " to astrology, it is > > > > > > > > > impossible to convince them of anything. All your > > > doubts can be > > > > > > > > > cleared if you test the " astrological " > > > results of what you or I say. > > > > > > > > > Without a test of practical applicability of > > > astrology, any discussion > > > > > > > > > is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that > > > website to you which > > > > > > > > > contains the most important things of astrology. > > > You can get the > > > > > > > > > perfect " modern astronomical " > > > differential equation of mean moon from > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it > > > onlt if I say it is > > > > > > > > > from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta. > > > Suryasiddhanta is > > > > > > > > > abominable, outdated, anachronistic, > > > obscurantist, etc. I got my rain > > > > > > > > > forecasts verified from topmost scientific > > > establishments, but even > > > > > > > > > you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of > > > those forecasts. I am > > > > > > > > > tolerating this waste of my time on dead history > > > just because I want > > > > > > > > > to attract the attention of members here towards > > > the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the use of quotations from ancient if > > > scientists continue to > > > > > > > > > believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess > > > what I find true, and I > > > > > > > > > make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify > > > my results into the > > > > > > > > > JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard, > > > because if I reveal > > > > > > > > > the whole truth, scientists will refuse to > > > listen, so great is their > > > > > > > > > hatred for such things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I must bore you with something like atomic > > > physics in > > > astrophysics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth's Precessional Period PP = > > > 25789.48832324 years > > > > > > > > > Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton > > > wrt electron, > > > > > > > > > notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty > > > which causes some amount > > > > > > > > > of uncertainty in our measurements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many such " coincidence " in > > > physics which defy all > > > > > > > > > explanations. You must have heard of Superstring > > > Theory of Michael > > > > > > > > > Green also, which is a different thing but has > > > many similar > > > > > > > > > coincidences. Since you want to detract me from > > > my main theme > > > > > > > > > (vefification of astrology scientifically) will > > > bore you with many > > > > > > > > > such " coincidences " in future, if you > > > do not get angry. I am not going > > > > > > > > > to be buried in talks about mere history ; if > > > history cannot help in > > > > > > > > > shaping future it is useless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, Sunil > > > Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be very nice of you if you can give > > > some literature > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Mr.Vinay, Where are the secrets of astrology you promised to give the members here, a week back ? You are not even ready to take challenge of the blind chart like many of us have done before. This reflects on your confidence. What is the right ayanamsha, what is the date when the tropical and sidereal zodiacs meet ? When did the ayanamsha concept begun in India and why ? Before the concept of ayanamsha began what astrology were we into? And uptill what date ? During Varamihiras time and the author of Surya siddhantas time was the ayanamsha concept there in vogue ? You call yourself a great Sanskrit knower - Please tell us what this shloka means ? " Yasmin niramshasyaat sanskritorko ayanamsha ka : Tata Dinantu Mahatpunyam rahasyum Munibhi : Smritam // Now if I have done mistake in writing this in English you may check this shloka in Vashishta Samhita - Jyotirvicharane. Now do not think that all the members here are idiots and not able to understand your gibberish mails. I can discuss with you on Surya Siddhanta but do not wish to waste my time on this because I am into predictive astrology. Your baggage must be taken to a forum or Group which is dedicated to Astronomy and not astrology. Understand ? Understood ? Bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Vinayji, When you open the pandora's box you will have to take the trouble to close it yourself. Now do'nt ask me which pandora's box I am talking about. If you make a controversial statement you will invite trouble yourself. Now I hope you understand the impending trouble I was talking about. Please do not live in the past. If you have had enough of trouble already you cannot blame anybody. Bohraji asked you about the Varga according to you. If you do not want to talk about Varga you should have kept quiet on it from the beginning. Here nobody is your enemy. You made a statement about the second set of Saptasindhu but when I asked you for more details you could not give. I was not testing you. I sincerely wanted to know where you found it. Lord Rama has been mentioned in Rigveda several times and Lord Parashurama was also mentioned separately ther as dvijaputra Rama.There is a possibility that Sarayu could have been called one of the seven rivers of the Saptasindhu. But When I asked you to substantiate your statement you shrank. Now Sreenadhji is asking you something and I feel there is nothing wrong in giving straight answer to him. But it appears that you will not give any answer. Why do you open a subject and then shrink from responding. This creates doubt in the mind of people about your genuine scholarship. Now you will again quote your regular reference to IISc and NASA etc.to prove that you are a genuine scholar. You are talking about trust . Trust has to be earned. Just because you presented some papers in some conferences and just because some scholarly people know you you cannot command trust. You presented your paper in the IISc conference and we do not know how the audience received it and what are their comments. None of the memebers of this forum had seen the proceedings of that conference. The members of our forum were not born yesterday and I feel many of us believe that you are a sincere and genuine scholar. Please do not hesittate to share what becomes necessary due to your own statments. If you has some limitations please do tell us where that is required. I believe that astrology is a genuine subject but should not oversell it. Philosophy teaches me that we are born with a load of prarabdha karma and that has decided our birth time, birthplace and opur family-background and environment. Lord Krishna tells Arjuna that if a person does not succeed in Yoga in one life he would take birth in family of yogies etc. But Lord Krishna hinted about the free-will also in the last chapter of the Bhagavad Gita. So I personally do not believe that everything is hundred percent pre-ordained. Further one's horoscope is so much influenced by the horoscope of the closest person. I personally know when somebody approached one astrologer called Mr. patankar and asked him about what were the chances of his getting a son, the astrologer told him that he would need to see the horoscope of that man's wife as well. This convinces me that Mr. patankar is a sincere astrologer. How many astrologers like him are around? Scientifically it is like the "Inteference" phenomenon applicable to light. That is why we have probably heard about the story where the first astrologer Bhrigu was cursed by Mothr Parvati that nobody will be able to see the future accurately.. Nonetheless I believe that Natal horoscope does give the effect of the past karmic forces. To know things accurately aty any time one has also to use, in conjunction, the dynamic astrological systems like Prasna system. Did the Suryasiddhanta say that, with its help, one will be able to make the huindred percent accurate predictions. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya jee, " " Bohraji asked you about the Varga according to you. If you do not want to talk about Varga you should have kept quiet on it from the beginning. " " Where I have asked about it ? Please, can you remind me? Thanks, M.S.Bohra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 hare ramakrishna dear vinay ji i deleted ur messges because it doesnot contain any astro contents or some thing new to this grp to learn or discuss .other wise u r ruling the roost for last so many days and nothing contributed . u r always talking abt the number of ppl downloaded ur software ,i know once one of our memebrs blog link we published in grp and they got 500 hits in one day ,so dont talk abt numbrs and confuse us .As serious astro students and astrologers we r after any model which can giv results .Here u r talking abt planets no where near the actual positions ,means it can b a wrong calculation too .( i am just arguing for the sake of arguemnts ) so the burden is on u to explain it ,it is not that we download or not ur software ,after down loading how they will predict ??? what way they can use it ? now u r saying so many panchanga makers r using ur software how they r arriving at some month ? thithi ? karana etc ? how it can b used in muhurtha s ? i dont know .may b u hold the secret sreendh ji was talking abt living tradition in kerala i dont think he was abusing u .any one interested in some subjuct will take the working model or hitherto unknown unprooved one ,u can tell me No sankrit university realy produced good astrologers with the best of my knowledge even professors i dont think they r good predicters after all astrology is all abt predictions and getting results ,what ever may b the planets positions or model we use ,in that case kerala model is prooven it and still prooving it ,we dont need to care what universities teaching or even camebridge or NASA is supporting hope u got wat we wanted to tell u it is opinion of many memebrs who sent mails to me prvtly too so pls b positiv and strt contributing ,shed all inhibitions ,but make sure that ur mail has astro content than complaint . all calsssics we call it classics because it passd tru 1000s of yrs and tested by time ,people and cultures ,no one was complaining abt so and so abused me or no one tested it,if it has worth u dont even need to worry abt it ,just small spark will create a big fire regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:>> Bhaskar jee> After Srinadhjee's attack on my character and Sunil Nair's deletion of my non-abusive replies, I cannot remain in this forum. Will your servant tolerate what I have tolerated ever since I joined this forum ? Sunil Nair is a very good person, but he will not allow me to defend myself against false charges. He will not ask Srinadhjee to refrain from personal attacks. Then what shall I do in this forum , hearing abuses and boasting of my credentials so that people here do not abuse me,instead of doing any positive work ??> > I was a bad guy because I never abused anyone, and was always abused, without a single day of gap. All of you must be happy without me. I cannot tolerate abuses anyone, I am a small monk, not a paramhamsa or a Buddha. Forgive and forget me. Thanks !> > Current version of my software was uploaded on 1-1-2009. To date, 313 downloads have taken place in 15 days. Only hals a dozen persons have reported problems in installation, which may be due to virus or other causes. I have been distributing this software for a long time, in CDs and through websites. I have three websites.> > -VJ> > > > > > ________________________________> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:57:44 PM> Re: Brihata Jataka> > > > Dear Vinayji,> > You do not know the meaning of abuse. You have not been abused uptil> now, because the members here are good and patient. But its high time> that you prove us what is the essence of your dicssuions and presence> here ?> > Your software is hard to download, is the feedback given by many over> here and not just few.> > I had put some queries to you which were simple and connected to your> own subject, but yet you were helpless in replying same.> > Apart from the greatness of your software as projected by you, and the> knowledge of your un-verificable academic degrees, what else has been> explained here or put forth, i could not understand.> > Please illuminate on same.> > Bhaskar.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinayjhaa16"> <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:> >> > Sir,> > What "impending trouble" you talk of ? What more trouble can I face.> > Not a single day has elapsed without at least one abusive message> > against me. I mentioned some difficult things in annoyance, because> > the simple things are not allowed here, even by you : please read the> > following before I leave this forum :> > " Scientific Method of Comparing Astrological Softwares" (> > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17527 )> > -VJ> > ============ == ============ =======> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya> > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:> > >> > > Vinayji,> > >> > > If that is so my request to you would be that kindly do not show> > such things which would need the writing of a book to explain. Thus> > you will save yourself from the impending trouble.> > >> > > SKB> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:> > >> > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:06 PM> > > > Sir,> > > >> > > > The significance of things you want requires a whole book,> > > > which will> > > > have no connection with astrology. You are diverting me> > > > away from my> > > > present task of proving the validity of practical> > > > astrology. See> > > >> http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17527> > > >> > > > -VK> > > > ============ ==== ============ ======> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil> > > > Bhattacharjya> > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Vinayji,> > > > >> > > > > You have missed the point. You showed some> > > > arithmetical calculations> > > > but did not tell about their significance whether physical> > > > or> > > > astrological.> > > > >> > > > > SKB> > > > >> > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16> > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:> > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:26 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sunil Jee,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Your view is perfectly valid for physical sciences.> > > > But the criterion> > > > >> > > > > of test of astrology is astrological significance and> > > > not the physical> > > > >> > > > > significance. We need that model of astrology which> > > > gives best> > > > >> > > > > astrological results. Compliance with rules of> > > > physical astronomy is> > > > >> > > > > not a criterion for astrology, because this supposed> > > > rule has created> > > > >> > > > > a situation in which no software is fully> > > > satidfactory.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -VJ> > > > >> > > > > ============ ============ ============> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > > > >> > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Vinayji,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical> > > > significance or the> > > > >> > > > > concept of the mathematical operation must be known> > > > otherwise the tool> > > > >> > > > > has no use.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > SKB> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> > > > ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>> > > > >> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata> > > > Jataka> > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > >> > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > You say "It will be very nice of you if you> > > > can give some literature> > > > >> > > > > > reference." You must have specifiy which of> > > > my statements appeared in> > > > >> > > > > > need of referencing ; I will provide the> > > > reference. I never write> > > > >> > > > > > falsities. But it is not possible to write in the> > > > manner of scientific> > > > >> > > > > > papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much> > > > time.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience> > > > and are interested> > > > >> > > > > > only in the history of its mathematical> > > > aspect,rest of astrology is> > > > >> > > > > > bogus. Unless they apply their "scientific> > > > method" to astrology, it is> > > > >> > > > > > impossible to convince them of anything. All your> > > > doubts can be> > > > >> > > > > > cleared if you test the "astrological"> > > > results of what you or I say.> > > > >> > > > > > Without a test of practical applicability of> > > > astrology, any discussion> > > > >> > > > > > is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that> > > > website to you which> > > > >> > > > > > contains the most important things of astrology.> > > > You can get the> > > > >> > > > > > perfect "modern astronomical"> > > > differential equation of mean moon from> > > > >> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it> > > > onlt if I say it is> > > > >> > > > > > from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta.> > > > Suryasiddhanta is> > > > >> > > > > > abominable, outdated, anachronistic,> > > > obscurantist, etc. I got my rain> > > > >> > > > > > forecasts verified from topmost scientific> > > > establishments, but even> > > > >> > > > > > you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of> > > > those forecasts. I am> > > > >> > > > > > tolerating this waste of my time on dead history> > > > just because I want> > > > >> > > > > > to attract the attention of members here towards> > > > the future.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > What is the use of quotations from ancient if> > > > scientists continue to> > > > >> > > > > > believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess> > > > what I find true, and I> > > > >> > > > > > make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify> > > > my results into the> > > > >> > > > > > JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard,> > > > because if I reveal> > > > >> > > > > > the whole truth, scientists will refuse to> > > > listen, so great is their> > > > >> > > > > > hatred for such things.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Now I must bore you with something like atomic> > > > physics in> > > > astrophysics.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Earth's Precessional Period PP => > > > 25789.48832324 years> > > > >> > > > > > Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton> > > > wrt electron,> > > > >> > > > > > notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty> > > > which causes some amount> > > > >> > > > > > of uncertainty in our measurements.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > There are many such "coincidence" in> > > > physics which defy all> > > > >> > > > > > explanations. You must have heard of Superstring> > > > Theory of Michael> > > > >> > > > > > Green also, which is a different thing but has> > > > many similar> > > > >> > > > > > coincidences. Since you want to detract me from> > > > my main theme> > > > >> > > > > > (vefification of astrology scientifically) will> > > > bore you with many> > > > >> > > > > > such "coincidences" in future, if you> > > > do not get angry. I am not going> > > > >> > > > > > to be buried in talks about mere history ; if> > > > history cannot help in> > > > >> > > > > > shaping future it is useless.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > -VJ> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com, Sunil> > > > Bhattacharjya> > > > >> > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Vinayji,> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > It will be very nice of you if you can give> > > > some literature> > > > reference.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > SKB> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Vinay jee, // I cannot tolerate abuses anyone, I am a small monk, // A monk talks less and means more with the few words he speaks. But You have done the worst. You speak so much but mean nothing. Your postings have gone all waste literally. First of all you must not feel like some aggrieved party which you portray yourself as, when you say that you were abused by Srinadhji, Bhaskarji or so many others. You are twisting the facts just to appear as the hero of some tragedy film, which is not the truth. You write kilometres of lengthy mails which mean nothing actually, or end in no conclusion. You have just been asked by the members to bring out the stuff you have. But You are not doing this. First you promise people of tasty dishes and food, get them together for a party, and then keep on speaking about the tasty dishes you are making which no one can make or knows how to make blah blah etc.etc. These poor people are getting hungrier after hearing your claims, but the lunch time is over, the dinner time is over, and night has fallen, and now its nearing the next morning , but not a single roti or sabzi jhas even been presented uptil now to these people to eat. Thats your story. Who is to blame ? Figure it out. Not we at least. Bhaskar. , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Bhaskar jee > After Srinadhjee's attack on my character and Sunil Nair's deletion of my non-abusive replies, I cannot remain in this forum. Will your servant tolerate what I have tolerated ever since I joined this forum ? Sunil Nair is a very good person, but he will not allow me to defend myself against false charges. He will not ask Srinadhjee to refrain from personal attacks. Then what shall I do in this forum , hearing abuses and boasting of my credentials so that people here do not abuse me,instead of doing any positive work ?? > > I was a bad guy because I never abused anyone, and was always abused, without a single day of gap. All of you must be happy without me. I cannot tolerate abuses anyone, I am a small monk, not a paramhamsa or a Buddha. Forgive and forget me. Thanks ! > > Current version of my software was uploaded on 1-1-2009. To date, 313 downloads have taken place in 15 days. Only hals a dozen persons have reported problems in installation, which may be due to virus or other causes. I have been distributing this software for a long time, in CDs and through websites. I have three websites. > > -VJ > > > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:57:44 PM > Re: Brihata Jataka > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > You do not know the meaning of abuse. You have not been abused uptil > now, because the members here are good and patient. But its high time > that you prove us what is the essence of your dicssuions and presence > here ? > > Your software is hard to download, is the feedback given by many over > here and not just few. > > I had put some queries to you which were simple and connected to your > own subject, but yet you were helpless in replying same. > > Apart from the greatness of your software as projected by you, and the > knowledge of your un-verificable academic degrees, what else has been > explained here or put forth, i could not understand. > > Please illuminate on same. > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " > <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > What " impending trouble " you talk of ? What more trouble can I face. > > Not a single day has elapsed without at least one abusive message > > against me. I mentioned some difficult things in annoyance, because > > the simple things are not allowed here, even by you : please read the > > following before I leave this forum : > > " Scientific Method of Comparing Astrological Softwares " ( > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17527 ) > > -VJ > > ============ == ============ ======= > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote: > > > > > > Vinayji, > > > > > > If that is so my request to you would be that kindly do not show > > such things which would need the writing of a book to explain. Thus > > you will save yourself from the impending trouble. > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:06 PM > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > The significance of things you want requires a whole book, > > > > which will > > > > have no connection with astrology. You are diverting me > > > > away from my > > > > present task of proving the validity of practical > > > > astrology. See > > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17527 > > > > > > > > -VK > > > > ============ ==== ============ ====== > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil > > > > Bhattacharjya > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Vinayji, > > > > > > > > > > You have missed the point. You showed some > > > > arithmetical calculations > > > > but did not tell about their significance whether physical > > > > or > > > > astrological. > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil Jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your view is perfectly valid for physical sciences. > > > > But the criterion > > > > > > > > > > of test of astrology is astrological significance and > > > > not the physical > > > > > > > > > > significance. We need that model of astrology which > > > > gives best > > > > > > > > > > astrological results. Compliance with rules of > > > > physical astronomy is > > > > > > > > > > not a criterion for astrology, because this supposed > > > > rule has created > > > > > > > > > > a situation in which no software is fully > > > > satidfactory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ============ ============ ============ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinayji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical > > > > significance or the > > > > > > > > > > concept of the mathematical operation must be known > > > > otherwise the tool > > > > > > > > > > has no use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata > > > > Jataka > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say " It will be very nice of you if you > > > > can give some literature > > > > > > > > > > > reference. " You must have specifiy which of > > > > my statements appeared in > > > > > > > > > > > need of referencing ; I will provide the > > > > reference. I never write > > > > > > > > > > > falsities. But it is not possible to write in the > > > > manner of scientific > > > > > > > > > > > papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience > > > > and are interested > > > > > > > > > > > only in the history of its mathematical > > > > aspect,rest of astrology is > > > > > > > > > > > bogus. Unless they apply their " scientific > > > > method " to astrology, it is > > > > > > > > > > > impossible to convince them of anything. All your > > > > doubts can be > > > > > > > > > > > cleared if you test the " astrological " > > > > results of what you or I say. > > > > > > > > > > > Without a test of practical applicability of > > > > astrology, any discussion > > > > > > > > > > > is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that > > > > website to you which > > > > > > > > > > > contains the most important things of astrology. > > > > You can get the > > > > > > > > > > > perfect " modern astronomical " > > > > differential equation of mean moon from > > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it > > > > onlt if I say it is > > > > > > > > > > > from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta. > > > > Suryasiddhanta is > > > > > > > > > > > abominable, outdated, anachronistic, > > > > obscurantist, etc. I got my rain > > > > > > > > > > > forecasts verified from topmost scientific > > > > establishments, but even > > > > > > > > > > > you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of > > > > those forecasts. I am > > > > > > > > > > > tolerating this waste of my time on dead history > > > > just because I want > > > > > > > > > > > to attract the attention of members here towards > > > > the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the use of quotations from ancient if > > > > scientists continue to > > > > > > > > > > > believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess > > > > what I find true, and I > > > > > > > > > > > make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify > > > > my results into the > > > > > > > > > > > JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard, > > > > because if I reveal > > > > > > > > > > > the whole truth, scientists will refuse to > > > > listen, so great is their > > > > > > > > > > > hatred for such things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I must bore you with something like atomic > > > > physics in > > > > astrophysics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth's Precessional Period PP = > > > > 25789.48832324 years > > > > > > > > > > > Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton > > > > wrt electron, > > > > > > > > > > > notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty > > > > which causes some amount > > > > > > > > > > > of uncertainty in our measurements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many such " coincidence " in > > > > physics which defy all > > > > > > > > > > > explanations. You must have heard of Superstring > > > > Theory of Michael > > > > > > > > > > > Green also, which is a different thing but has > > > > many similar > > > > > > > > > > > coincidences. Since you want to detract me from > > > > my main theme > > > > > > > > > > > (vefification of astrology scientifically) will > > > > bore you with many > > > > > > > > > > > such " coincidences " in future, if you > > > > do not get angry. I am not going > > > > > > > > > > > to be buried in talks about mere history ; if > > > > history cannot help in > > > > > > > > > > > shaping future it is useless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, Sunil > > > > Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be very nice of you if you can give > > > > some literature > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Bohraji, I am sorry. There is a mistake. In fact Pradeepji asked him on Varga. Vinayji's reply was as follows: Quote Pradeep Jee, You charged me of copying materials from other modern authors ( and claiming it as my own ). You also charged me of "new" ideas. It meant I copied new ideas from old authors. Now you are diverting to vargas. What do you want ? Has any software developer in the past been treated thus ? Unquote Agreed that Vinayji is a big scholar-astrologer and he cannot reply to everything due to paucity of time. I will only request him to be considerate to the lesser astrologers and also not to make us curious about a thing, if he has no time to explain that, in case someone wants to know more about it. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 1/15/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 Re: Brihata Jataka Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 5:27 PM Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya jee,""Bohraji asked you about the Varga according to you. If you do notwant to talk about Varga you should have kept quiet on it from thebeginning.""Where I have asked about it ?Please, can you remind me?Thanks,M.S.Bohra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, People say "Upamaa Kaalidaasasya". But you also excel in giving Upamaa. Regards, Sunil K.Bhattacharjya--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Brihata Jataka Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:05 PM Dear Vinay jee,// I cannot tolerate abuses anyone, I am a small monk, //A monk talks less and means more with the few words he speaks. But Youhave done the worst. You speak so much but mean nothing. Your postingshave gone all waste literally.First of all you must not feel like some aggrieved party which youportray yourself as, when you say that you were abused by Srinadhji,Bhaskarji or so many others. You are twisting the facts just to appearas the hero of some tragedy film, which is not the truth.You write kilometres of lengthy mails which mean nothing actually, orend in no conclusion. You have just been asked by the members to bringout the stuff you have. But You are not doing this. First you promisepeople of tasty dishes and food, get them together for a party, and thenkeep on speaking about the tasty dishes you are making which no one canmake or knows how to make blah blah etc.etc. These poor people aregetting hungrier after hearing your claims, but the lunch time is over,the dinner time is over, and night has fallen, and now its nearing thenext morning , but not a single roti or sabzi jhas even been presenteduptil now to these people to eat.Thats your story. Who is to blame ? Figure it out. Not we at least.Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Vinay Jha<vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:>> Bhaskar jee> After Srinadhjee's attack on my character and Sunil Nair's deletion ofmy non-abusive replies, I cannot remain in this forum. Will your servanttolerate what I have tolerated ever since I joined this forum ? SunilNair is a very good person, but he will not allow me to defend myselfagainst false charges. He will not ask Srinadhjee to refrain frompersonal attacks. Then what shall I do in this forum , hearing abusesand boasting of my credentials so that people here do not abuseme,instead of doing any positive work ??>> I was a bad guy because I never abused anyone, and was always abused,without a single day of gap. All of you must be happy without me. Icannot tolerate abuses anyone, I am a small monk, not a paramhamsa or aBuddha. Forgive and forget me. Thanks !>> Current version of my software was uploaded on 1-1-2009. To date, 313downloads have taken place in 15 days. Only hals a dozen persons havereported problems in installation, which may be due to virus or othercauses. I have been distributing this software for a long time, in CDsand through websites. I have three websites.>> -VJ>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:57:44 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka>>>> Dear Vinayji,>> You do not know the meaning of abuse. You have not been abused uptil> now, because the members here are good and patient. But its high time> that you prove us what is the essence of your dicssuions and presence> here ?>> Your software is hard to download, is the feedback given by many over> here and not just few.>> I had put some queries to you which were simple and connected to your> own subject, but yet you were helpless in replying same.>> Apart from the greatness of your software as projected by you, and the> knowledge of your un-verificable academic degrees, what else has been> explained here or put forth, i could not understand.>> Please illuminate on same.>> Bhaskar.>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinayjhaa16"> <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:> >> > Sir,> > What "impending trouble" you talk of ? What more trouble can I face.> > Not a single day has elapsed without at least one abusive message> > against me. I mentioned some difficult things in annoyance, because> > the simple things are not allowed here, even by you : please readthe> > following before I leave this forum :> > " Scientific Method of Comparing Astrological Softwares" (> > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/17527 )> > -VJ> > ============ == ============ =======> > ancient_indian_ astrology, SunilBhattacharjya> > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:> > >> > > Vinayji,> > >> > > If that is so my request to you would be that kindly do not show> > such things which would need the writing of a book to explain. Thus> > you will save yourself from the impending trouble.> > >> > > SKB> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:> > >> > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:06 PM> > > > Sir,> > > >> > > > The significance of things you want requires a whole book,> > > > which will> > > > have no connection with astrology. You are diverting me> > > > away from my> > > > present task of proving the validity of practical> > > > astrology. See> > > >> http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/17527> > > >> > > > -VK> > > > ============ ==== ============ ======> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil> > > > Bhattacharjya> > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Vinayji,> > > > >> > > > > You have missed the point. You showed some> > > > arithmetical calculations> > > > but did not tell about their significance whether physical> > > > or> > > > astrological.> > > > >> > > > > SKB> > > > >> > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vinayjhaa16> > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:> > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata Jataka> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:26 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sunil Jee,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Your view is perfectly valid for physical sciences.> > > > But the criterion> > > > >> > > > > of test of astrology is astrological significance and> > > > not the physical> > > > >> > > > > significance. We need that model of astrology which> > > > gives best> > > > >> > > > > astrological results. Compliance with rules of> > > > physical astronomy is> > > > >> > > > > not a criterion for astrology, because this supposed> > > > rule has created> > > > >> > > > > a situation in which no software is fully> > > > satidfactory.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -VJ> > > > >> > > > > ============ ============ ============> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya> > > > >> > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Vinayji,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Scientists take mathematics as a tool. Physical> > > > significance or the> > > > >> > > > > concept of the mathematical operation must be known> > > > otherwise the tool> > > > >> > > > > has no use.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > SKB> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> > > > ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>> > > > >> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Brihata> > > > Jataka> > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > > > >> > > > > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:59 AM> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > You say "It will be very nice of you if you> > > > can give some literature> > > > >> > > > > > reference." You must have specifiy which of> > > > my statements appeared in> > > > >> > > > > > need of referencing ; I will provide the> > > > reference. I never write> > > > >> > > > > > falsities. But it is not possible to write in the> > > > manner of scientific> > > > >> > > > > > papers ALL THE TIME, because it takes too much> > > > time.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Scientists regard astrology as a pseudoscience> > > > and are interested> > > > >> > > > > > only in the history of its mathematical> > > > aspect,rest of astrology is> > > > >> > > > > > bogus. Unless they apply their "scientific> > > > method" to astrology, it is> > > > >> > > > > > impossible to convince them of anything. All your> > > > doubts can be> > > > >> > > > > > cleared if you test the "astrological"> > > > results of what you or I say.> > > > >> > > > > > Without a test of practical applicability of> > > > astrology, any discussion> > > > >> > > > > > is a wastage of time. I have not mentioned that> > > > website to you which> > > > >> > > > > > contains the most important things of astrology.> > > > You can get the> > > > >> > > > > > perfect "modern astronomical"> > > > differential equation of mean moon from> > > > >> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, but scientists will evaluate it> > > > onlt if I say it is> > > > >> > > > > > from XuryaXiddhanta and not from Suryasiddhanta.> > > > Suryasiddhanta is> > > > >> > > > > > abominable, outdated, anachronistic,> > > > obscurantist, etc. I got my rain> > > > >> > > > > > forecasts verified from topmost scientific> > > > establishments, but even> > > > >> > > > > > you will disbelieve if I disclose the basis of> > > > those forecasts. I am> > > > >> > > > > > tolerating this waste of my time on dead history> > > > just because I want> > > > >> > > > > > to attract the attention of members here towards> > > > the future.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > What is the use of quotations from ancient if> > > > scientists continue to> > > > >> > > > > > believe those texts to be outdated ? I possess> > > > what I find true, and I> > > > >> > > > > > make forecasts on that basis, and then I modify> > > > my results into the> > > > >> > > > > > JARGON of modern science to get my voice heard,> > > > because if I reveal> > > > >> > > > > > the whole truth, scientists will refuse to> > > > listen, so great is their> > > > >> > > > > > hatred for such things.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Now I must bore you with something like atomic> > > > physics in> > > > astrophysics.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Earth's Precessional Period PP => > > > 25789.48832324 years> > > > >> > > > > > Tropical Year TY = 365.24219878125 days> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > (1+X)(1+TY) = (PP * TY)/14> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Solving, we get X = 1836.07655964,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > which is the ABSOLUTE ratio of mass of a proton> > > > wrt electron,> > > > >> > > > > > notwithstanding the Principle of Uncertainty> > > > which causes some amount> > > > >> > > > > > of uncertainty in our measurements.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > There are many such "coincidence" in> > > > physics which defy all> > > > >> > > > > > explanations. You must have heard of Superstring> > > > Theory of Michael> > > > >> > > > > > Green also, which is a different thing but has> > > > many similar> > > > >> > > > > > coincidences. Since you want to detract me from> > > > my main theme> > > > >> > > > > > (vefification of astrology scientifically) will> > > > bore you with many> > > > >> > > > > > such "coincidences" in future, if you> > > > do not get angry. I am not going> > > > >> > > > > > to be buried in talks about mere history ; if> > > > history cannot help in> > > > >> > > > > > shaping future it is useless.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > -VJ> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com, Sunil> > > > Bhattacharjya> > > > >> > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Vinayji,> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > It will be very nice of you if you can give> > > > some literature> > > > reference.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > SKB> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Sunil Babu, In Bombay you must have heard even cobblers are busy. Everyone is so occupied with their own work that time managment is possible very rarely. The housewives too have hundreds of chores to attend to. At times they make-do with few minutes breakfasts like Toast butter, Chidve ki khichdi and Upma too. Since upma needs the least energy to bite and least time to gulp down, probably I may be good at upma. But beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. regards, Bhaskar. , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > People say " Upamaa Kaalidaasasya " . But you also excel in giving Upamaa. > > Regards, > > Sunil K.Bhattacharjya > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Brihata Jataka > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:05 PM > Dear Vinay jee, > > // I cannot tolerate abuses anyone, I am a small monk, // > > A monk talks less and means more with the few words he speaks. But You > have done the worst. You speak so much but mean nothing. Your postings > have gone all waste literally. > > First of all you must not feel like some aggrieved party which you > portray yourself as, when you say that you were abused by Srinadhji, > Bhaskarji or so many others. You are twisting the facts just to appear > as the hero of some tragedy film, which is not the truth. > > You write kilometres of lengthy mails which mean nothing actually, or > end in no conclusion. You have just been asked by the members to bring > out the stuff you have. But You are not doing this. First you promise > people of tasty dishes and food, get them together for a party, and then > keep on speaking about the tasty dishes you are making which no one can > make or knows how to make blah blah etc.etc. These poor people are > getting hungrier after hearing your claims, but the lunch time is over, > the dinner time is over, and night has fallen, and now its nearing the > next morning , but not a single roti or sabzi jhas even been presented > uptil now to these people to eat. > > Thats your story. Who is to blame ? Figure it out. Not we at least. > > Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 This is moderated message. All accusations/personal comments were deleted by the moderator. -------------------------------- Sunil Nair Jee, My response is very short :"You want astrological discussion, I want the same. Then why moderators do not moderate the messages which contain non-astro and abusive attacks on me, and when I defend my messages are stopped !!! If you want real discussion and informative contributions, then read /message/17527 and stop all nonsense from ALL sides."If you have time, this is my detailed response :You said "nothing contributed" by me. I contributed more materials with astro content that most members here, ........... . a congenial envirinment is restored, I can answer all your questions to the best of my knowledge.You are right in saying that the burden of proving is on me, but I will never be able to convince those who are not ready to test my software which are practical proofs of the ideas I have found to be true. A theory cannot be proven without practical. Now come to genuine points. You ask : after "down loading how they will predict ??? what way they can use it ?" The answer is well explained at my website in many articles through illustrated examples, and I am ready to provide as much further details as asked by USERs of Kundalee softwares, Your next question is about panchanga. Eight panchangas published from my softwares were made not from horoscope software (Kundalee) but from special panchanga making five free Suryadiddhantic and modern-scientific softwares specially tuned to the requirements of publishers, which give Word *.doc files in output in final formatted form, only the vrataa and parvas/festivals are to be hand made by the local pandit aocording to local traditions. I even know the TECHNIQUE of preparing local vrataa and parvas/festivals of all regions. I am not advertising my softwares, but clearing your doubts. I never tried to propagate my panchanga making softwares, but now I will do it.Since you have enquired about tithi in a panchanga, it needs an article on "Tithi & c in Panchangas", but presently am not in a mood to post this article to this forum ...... Sreenadhjee's message contained genuine questions which you see, . I have a page "Panchanga" at my website in which i will post a brief but clear article "Tithi in Panchangas" which will convince you about accuracy/inaccuracy of tithi, karana, muhurta, etc in all panchangas.Your next statement is :" No sankrit university realy produced good astrologers with the best of my knowledge even professors i dont think they r good predicters". ....... These internet-friendly astrologers cannot qualify in examinations conducted by Jyotisha departments recognized by UGC, which is why grapes are sour. Scholars of Sanskrit universities are not well acquainted in computers and internet. There absence from internet has created a wrong climate in internet. There are good and bad persons everywhere, . Or only those scholars of Sanskrit universities, NASA and IISc were fools who approved my work ?? Members here forced me to cite my credentials by raising doubts about my credentials. NI never questioned the authenticity of Kerala model ; it was never an issue. Your statement reveals your final decision : "Kerala model is prooven it and still prooving it ,we dont need to care what universities teaching or even camebridge or NASA is supporting". Either follow the scientific method of testing, , otherwise I will resort to my defences to the best of my abilities. Forums are not the whole world. I had chastised KSD Sanskrit University through a high court verdict, which ordered the VC to investigate and take a proper decision within six months, after which three assemblies of scholars of many states were organized and my points were proven. Justice is asked at proper place where real justice is delivered. VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Note: This message has been edited by moderator to keep out personal comments and attacks away from the group. Core essence relating subject Astrology is retained. Moderator Sunil Jee, Pradeep jee later said (at another forum) that he was not biased, .....! As for vargas, he posted his message (which you read here) at other forums too, where I answered there, but to date he has not replied. I never propounded any new idea about vargas, but Pradeep Jee's questions were genuine which I would have liked to answer. But he did not maintain correspondence. Maybe he was busy. -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Sunil jee Thanks for your impartiality and literary sense. -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 // These poor people are getting hungrier after hearing your claims, but the lunch time is over, the dinner time is over, and night has fallen, and now its nearing the next morning , but not a single roti or sabzi jhas even been presented uptil now to these people to eat.// Absolutely right, perhaps, i thought that i will cook it for myself in the KITCHEN, (instead of such long mail reading), But that free KUNDLEE (Kitchen) is not able to install in my computer. Vinajji, I had also reported this problem at your site. Can you make something easy so that we can install your software. Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Vijay Goel Jee, I do not use my website for mails because its mailing service is useless and is not in my control ; today I searched but failed to find your mail there. Please specify your problem by using email here at this forum. -VJ , Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > > // These poor people are getting hungrier after hearing your claims, but > the lunch time is over, > the dinner time is over, and night has fallen, and now its nearing the > next morning , but not a single roti or sabzi jhas even been presented > uptil now to these people to eat.// > > Absolutely right, perhaps, i thought that i will cook it for myself in > the KITCHEN, (instead of such long mail reading), But that free > KUNDLEE (Kitchen) is not able to install in my computer. > > Vinajji, I had also reported this problem at your site. > Can you make something easy so that we can install your software. > > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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