Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 While I was searching for a verse in Isavasya Upanishad, I stumbled upon a site with the picture of Jesus Christ. Then I realized that it is an e-book in which the author is trying to prove that Isa in the Upanishad is Jesus. Anyone is aware of this? This is the first time coming across such ideas. Jaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear Revatiji,I have not seen that e-book. That guy has an agenda. How can that be? The Maitri upanishad gives the name of the 108 ancient upanishads and that list includes Isha upanishad. Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 1/11/09, revati_n27 <revati_n27 wrote:revati_n27 <revati_n27 Isavasya upanishad Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:35 AM While I was searching for a verse in Isavasya Upanishad, I stumbled upon a site with the picture of Jesus Christ. Then I realized that it is an e-book in which the author is trying to prove that Isa in the Upanishad is Jesus. Anyone is aware of this? This is the first time coming across such ideas. Jaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Sunil jee, Ishopanishada should not be included among one of the 108 upanishadas, some of which are later. 40th chapter of White Yajurveda is called Ishopanishada. Hence, Ishopanishada is a part of the Veda. Both extant branches of the White Yajurveda, Taittiriya and Maadhyandina, have slight differences in arrangement of shlokas. Therefore, there are two variants of Ishopanishada. There are other branches of White Yajurveda too, but they are not practiced now. -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear Sunilji: It is not just Isavasya upanishad, more than that it looks like. See the link below for details http://www.scribd.com/people/documents/106071-prof-m-m-ninan?popular=1 Jaya In , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Revatiji, > > I have not seen that e-book. That guy has an agenda. How can that be? The Maitri upanishad gives the name of the 108 ancient upanishads and that list includes Isha upanishad. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, revati_n27 <revati_n27 wrote: > revati_n27 <revati_n27 > Isavasya upanishad > > Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:35 AM > > > > > While I was searching for a verse in Isavasya Upanishad, I stumbled > > upon a site with the picture of Jesus Christ. Then I realized that it > > is an e-book in which the author is trying to prove that Isa in the > > Upanishad is Jesus. Anyone is aware of this? This is the first time > > coming across such ideas. > > > > Jaya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Vinayji,Ishopanishad is pre-Christ.SKB--- On Sun, 1/11/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Isavasya upanishad Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 9:54 PM Sunil jee, Ishopanishada should not be included among one of the 108 upanishadas, some of which are later. 40th chapter of White Yajurveda is called Ishopanishada. Hence, Ishopanishada is a part of the Veda. Both extant branches of the White Yajurveda, Taittiriya and Maadhyandina, have slight differences in arrangement of shlokas. Therefore, there are two variants of Ishopanishada. There are other branches of White Yajurveda too, but they are not practiced now. -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear Jayaji, Thank you for the link. The Hindus are themselves to blame for this state of affair. Though Hinduism and the daughter religions Buddhism and Jainism are older than some other religions, many followers of the latter want to lower the antiquity of the Hindu religion and also want to divide the Jainism and Buddhism from Hinduism. But many of the scholars of the former do not oppose these moves. It is for this reason that I think that the establishment of the correct dates of Lord Rama, that of the Mahabharata war as well as the date of Adi Sankaracharya and that of Varahamihira are very necessary. Adi Sankaracharya was born before Jesus Christ but many Hindus still believe that he was born after both Jesus Christ and Prophet Muhammad. Varahamihira said that the winter solstice at his time was in the first quarter of the Uttarashadha nakshatra. The first quarter of Uttarashadha, specifically for the purpose of the dating of Winter solstice, corresponds to the longitudinal spread between 277 and 280 degrees, as any astronomer, (be he modern astronomer or Jyotishi-astronemer), knows that the movement of the Winter solstice is in the reverse doirection just as in the case of Rahu and Ketu.Thus this definitely shows that Varahamihira was born much before Jesus Christ. Even then many of the so-called scholars continue to believe that Varahamihira was born in 505 CE, just because the western scholars said so. I find this very painful to bear. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Mon, 1/12/09, revati_n27 <revati_n27 wrote: revati_n27 <revati_n27 Re: Isavasya upanishad Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 7:35 AM Dear Sunilji:It is not just Isavasya upanishad, more than that it looks like. See the link below for details http://www.scribd. com/people/ documents/ 106071-prof- m-m-ninan? popular=1JayaIn ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Dear Revatiji,> > I have not seen that e-book. That guy has an agenda. How can that be? The Maitri upanishad gives the name of the 108 ancient upanishads and that list includes Isha upanishad. > > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, revati_n27 <revati_n27@ ...> wrote:> revati_n27 <revati_n27@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Isavasya upanishad> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:35 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > While I was searching for a verse in Isavasya Upanishad, I stumbled > > upon a site with the picture of Jesus Christ. Then I realized that it > > is an e-book in which the author is trying to prove that Isa in the > > Upanishad is Jesus. Anyone is aware of this? This is the first time > > coming across such ideas.> > > > Jaya> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Namaste Mr. Bhattacharya ji, Just to supplement and suggest minor difference of view point : //The Hindus are themselves to blame for this state of affair// Feel the govt(s). in power since independence and its strong west oriented education systems is primary reason. Our history is entirely distorted and any attempt to correct them is painted in lump black as " communal " . Emperor Akbar is next to God so is his grand grand child Emperor Aurangazeb, so do other Muslim invaders are all eulogized in the text books and children grown up accordingly. Christians feel Jesus Christs is " theirs " {white skinned like them}, but the fact is he is " Asian " so do Moses also..... There is NO religion in the West.....other than what is exported from Asia....{read India}. Year 1857 is considered as Year of Indian Uprising when facts are different....it was much before than that...... Democracy is Hindu concept, plagarized by West.... It was King Bharat who abdicated his throne in favor of competent person choosen from his general public/kingdom instead of giving it to his NOT SO incompetent sons... Problems started when King wanted his son to inherit the kingdom...... Archaelogy is dead in India { never born or born dead}, hence we are dependent on West for that information.....and to a great extent we are forced to take them on face value for our own inherent weakness...... Just a few lines..... in between the discussions..... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear Jayaji, Thank you for the link. I went through " jesus christ " upanishad. I have never read a document like this before. It mentions 3 major religions in India- Vedic the people who believe in nature, buddhists and the jains, both of whom have been mentioned as atheists. All I understood is that " Ishan " is a word used by the tamil christians for jesus, so the author has framed a nice story on the upanishad. This is also a very good example for how the internet is filled with spurious information. Regards, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Namaste Bhagavathi ji, Budhism or Jainism are NOT atheists ....nor founded on athetism..... the new " thinking " came at a time when " sacrifice " of animals became so rampant that humans were also got included...hence the over-emphasing " NO HARM " in the sayings of the respective enlightened leaders.....Hindu scriptures clearly mention at many places...God incarnate would appear on earth to protech the society /dharma...... mere blind interpretation of dictums without considering the history then / society prevailing at that moment.....is a gross deliberate mis-guidance or incorrect interpretation. West may boast to be scientific, yet my association with them revealed many instances of blind beliefs and practises.....many of the Chinese practises have their similarities in Hindu traditions or customs.....it is immaterial one may give a different interpretation for such practises......be it be birth or death or marriage...etc rites..... they are very similar across the globe...in all religions...of course of all Hindu system stand TALL and mother religion..... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear all, The only way to counter such people is to have multi pronged action plans. 1 Each one of us must spend some time in understanding and propagating our religion. This includes studying and teaching our scriptures, learning the past history and disseminating the greatness of our hoary culture. 2. The target groups must include all sections of the society, be they Hindus or not , but most specifically Hindus. The niche sections could be marginalized sections of the society, the middle class, the professionals and the movers and shakers. Each one of us should understand who they can work with best and ensure that maximum benefit is drawn in such an arena. The personal benefit should be sacrificed at all costs. 3. The scriptures must be made a part of our curriculum, For e.g., you will notice that the school texts teach the preachings of Buddha, Mahavira, Jesus Christ and Mohammed but they never write what is taught by Vedas, Upanishads and epics, which are in fact epict the greatest human values ever known to the mankind. 4. Last but least, most of us abhor proactive and offesnsive action against those who abuse Hinduism but it looks like the need of the hour is to be offensive, at least towards those who are abusing Hinduism in a pre planned way with malicious intentions, such as the Christians who propagate the falisifcations that Vedas are prior to Jesus Christ or most of today's Hinduism has its roots in Christianity etc. Unfortunately, most of such people who propagate these falsifications are Indian converted Chrsitians. There should be radical Hindu groups which should be encouraged to file criminal cases against such people and even those who falsify or abuse Hinduism in the name of art and literature such as MF Hussian In any case, more unity and more awareness is essential on the part of common Hindu. Kindly acknowledge as the problem pertains to you, me and all of us. regards, Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Well said Sreeram_Srinivas jee, I fully endorse your statement. -VJ , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Namaste Bhagavathi ji, > > Budhism or Jainism are NOT atheists ....nor founded on athetism..... the > new " thinking " came at a time when " sacrifice " of animals became so > rampant that humans were also got included...hence the over-emphasing " > NO HARM " in the sayings of the respective enlightened leaders.....Hindu > scriptures clearly mention at many places...God incarnate would appear > on earth to protech the society /dharma...... mere blind interpretation > of dictums without considering the history then / society prevailing at > that moment.....is a gross deliberate mis-guidance or incorrect > interpretation. > > West may boast to be scientific, yet my association with them revealed > many instances of blind beliefs and practises.....many of the Chinese > practises have their similarities in Hindu traditions or customs.....it > is immaterial one may give a different interpretation for such > practises......be it be birth or death or marriage...etc rites..... they > are very similar across the globe...in all religions...of course of all > Hindu system stand TALL and mother religion..... > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Isaavaasyopanishad has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.Its one of the Vedic Texts which describes the Supreme Brahman Lord Naaraayana.Jesus Christ is yet tobe proved history but Lord Krishna has been already proved history by the archaeological findings of Dwaaraka by Prof.S.R.Rao.For Dwaaraka read rhe book The Lost City of Dwaraka by Prof.S.R.Rao.The one you are talking about is just another humback to wrongly prove that Jesus Christ is history.Jesus is an concocted myth by the ancient Romans. Cordially, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN. website: www.vedascience.com revati_n27 <revati_n27 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:05:23 AM Isavasya upanishad While I was searching for a verse in Isavasya Upanishad, I stumbled upon a site with the picture of Jesus Christ. Then I realized that it is an e-book in which the author is trying to prove that Isa in the Upanishad is Jesus. Anyone is aware of this? This is the first time coming across such ideas.Jaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear Bhagavathi ji: I did not read because I am impatient and it affects me emotionally and ruins my day if not weeks. But as Vivekananda said " by reading the first and last lines you can tell what is the essense of the page or book. I just forwarded that to share nonsense spreading around and those religiously blindfolded people buy it with devotion and spread it around. They think Christians started calling Jesus in Tamil first and then changed afterwards? As Sunilji said it is us hindus to blame and not just because of the intellectual part, also becuase of the caste system. If we had treated all same, none would have left Hinduism. They only take advantage of these situation and use it as a tool to convert. Few months ago,we had a discussion on infant death, we all brushed it off as it is normal in India. But the motivated missionaries will go there and give the essential vitamins and minerals and ask them to pray Jesus Christ and there we go, the miracle happens. People are very vulnerable when it comes to children and disease. That is where they are willing to change their faith. Again I am quoting Vivekananda as saying " People in India at that time (even now) were/ are not ready for vedanta, we have to make sure they get the basic needs such as food, shelter and cloths, then only we can preach religion to them and those who provide these become their God and Religion. Can't we use some preventive measures rather than treating afterwards even after centuries? Sorry for writing this much, have not tried to offend anyone, was only copying my mind. Love Jaya --- In , " bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote: > > Dear Jayaji, > > Thank you for the link. I went through " jesus christ " upanishad. I have > never read a document like this before. It mentions 3 major religions > in India- Vedic the people who believe in nature, buddhists and the > jains, both of whom have been mentioned as atheists. All I understood > is that " Ishan " is a word used by the tamil christians for jesus, so > the author has framed a nice story on the upanishad. > > This is also a very good example for how the internet is filled with > spurious information. > > Regards, > bhagavathi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 As much as I would not want to get into argument, I have to clarify that i have not launched insinuations against any specific group. Such illogical conclusions only show the automatic division that exists in your mind. I do discriminate against groups. I may remind you that there are any number of irreverant Hindus who talk in public forums against Hinduism. I only said that we should take legal action against any one who abuses our Religion, which did not happen so far with us, whereas it happens in other Communities. For e.g., one of the Moslems has written against Islam in Bihar and he was booked under hurting the sentiments of the Moslems. In any case, advocating legal action against the errant is not preaching hatred. It is one of the most civilized ways of defence. I do not think you agree easily but that is my two pence. Kishore patnaik On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Vijay Narayana <vijay.narayana wrote: Kishore, As much as i can understand your anger and fervor, could you please refrain from launching insinuating remarks against specific groups of society and people? Swami never taught hatred. [4th point is so driven out of it]. I could be wrong.. but that said, i am offended that i am part of a forum that is openly discussing such things. May be its fine in some other forums which you have put in the mailing list.. but certainly not in saistudent group... and i am a part of it. If you intend to respond, stop. think twice. I am least interested in a debate or argument here. so, dont go along targetting me.TO THE SAISTUDENTHYD GROUP: If the saistudenthyd group doesnt have a moderator, i request that one should be present and make sure appropriate content is sent to this. My opinion is that no sai-student-forums would like to indulge in criticism or attacks on any community (religious or otherwise). If anyone feels I have said anything wrong, pls let me know. I wouldnt mind unsubscribing to this. Btw, just came across this rare video recording of an interview given by Swami to a few american devotees way back in 1978. its quite interesting (and rather cute) to hear swami speak in english :-)enjoy-Part1 : http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=_x44mpk_V2U & feature=related Part2 : http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=F0aKzfC9uYc & feature=relatedPart3 : http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=LyU2GtvPtf8 & feature=related ciaoVijay On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:57 PM, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear all, The only way to counter such people is to have multi pronged action plans. 1 Each one of us must spend some time in understanding and propagating our religion. This includes studying and teaching our scriptures, learning the past history and disseminating the greatness of our hoary culture. 2. The target groups must include all sections of the society, be they Hindus or not , but most specifically Hindus. The niche sections could be marginalized sections of the society, the middle class, the professionals and the movers and shakers. Each one of us should understand who they can work with best and ensure that maximum benefit is drawn in such an arena. The personal benefit should be sacrificed at all costs. 3. The scriptures must be made a part of our curriculum, For e.g., you will notice that the school texts teach the preachings of Buddha, Mahavira, Jesus Christ and Mohammed but they never write what is taught by Vedas, Upanishads and epics, which are in fact epict the greatest human values ever known to the mankind. 4. Last but least, most of us abhor proactive and offesnsive action against those who abuse Hinduism but it looks like the need of the hour is to be offensive, at least towards those who are abusing Hinduism in a pre planned way with malicious intentions, such as the Christians who propagate the falisifcations that Vedas are prior to Jesus Christ or most of today's Hinduism has its roots in Christianity etc. Unfortunately, most of such people who propagate these falsifications are Indian converted Chrsitians. There should be radical Hindu groups which should be encouraged to file criminal cases against such people and even those who falsify or abuse Hinduism in the name of art and literature such as MF Hussian In any case, more unity and more awareness is essential on the part of common Hindu. Kindly acknowledge as the problem pertains to you, me and all of us. regards, Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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