Brihata Jataka - Written at times of sayana.

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinayji,

 

I was also told that the Brihat Jataka was written fior the Sayana

positions in those times, as the ayanmsha was just 1-2degrees when this

text was written. We followed the sayana positions imn the past.

 

Your take and comments on this.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Anglophiles spread such rumours from time to time. Nirayan method is

well documented. There is no evidence of tropical method in ancient

India. You can find only modern conjectures, no ancient evidence.

 

-VJ

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> I was also told that the Brihat Jataka was written fior the Sayana

> positions in those times, as the ayanmsha was just 1-2degrees when this

> text was written. We followed the sayana positions imn the past.

>

> Your take and comments on this.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

[Guest guest]

So when did the anayanamsha concept began, then ? From which year ? And before that , on what position of planets were the computations based on, and predicted ? ( In India )

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

, "vinayjhaa16" <vinayjhaa16 wrote:>> Anglophiles spread such rumours from time to time. Nirayan method is> well documented. There is no evidence of tropical method in ancient> India. You can find only modern conjectures, no ancient evidence.> > -VJ> > > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Vinayji,> > > > I was also told that the Brihat Jataka was written fior the Sayana> > positions in those times, as the ayanmsha was just 1-2degrees when this> > text was written. We followed the sayana positions imn the past.> > > > Your take and comments on this.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> >>

[Guest guest]

Bhaskar Jee,

 

Nice question ! This is what I asked some members before, but no one

was curious. But before it, why you are not asking " what is the

original Indian definition of ayanamsha ? " I had asked CH to answer

this question, but I got abuses in reply.

 

Colebrooke, Burhess, Thibo and other Western scholars have imposed

their own modern scientific conceptions on ancient Indian concept of

Ayanamsha, which is causing all the trouble.

 

Precession is the motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis supposedly fixed

stars according to modern astronomy. Ayanamsha is the motion of the

" bha-chakra " ( circle of nakshatras ) according to Suryasiddhanta,

which can be said otherwise as " motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis

bha-chakra.

 

so far OK. The trouble arises when bha-chakra is implied to mean the

great circle of supposedly fixed stars, which is against ancient

definition. Suryasiddhanta clearly says that bha-chakra is not fixed,

but makes one revolotion in 60 solar years !

 

These are very intricate questions. Suryasiddhanta says that it was

given by Surya to Maya just before the end of Satayuga, ie 2163198 BC

! Modern scholars will not believe it. Mr Chandra Hari start abusing

me again. Moreover, you have already said you are not interested in

ancient mathematics because they are not applicable now, in your view.

Then, why waste time over such topics ?

 

You will gain a lively interest in Suryasiddhanta only when you are

convinced of its applicability NOW. There is only one way to prove it

: test my software. Without testing the applicability of SS, how can I

prove that it is applicable today ?

 

There is anothe way. Look at the world map ( Fig. 11) at the bottom of

webpage

http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting

 

Now, compare this map with the world map in the article at

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010

 

Do you find some similarity between both maps ? One article was

accepted by Indian's premier institute of science at international

conference in which 814 scientists heard me. The other article was

presented by the seniormost astrologer of this country (HOD of

Jyotisha, plus head of faculty plus professor, no other person holds

so many posts in the world).

 

I cannot explain all these things at once. Unless you test my

software, you will never be seriously interested in Suryasiddhanta

which has been ridiculed as anachronistic by all those powers of the

world who are valued today. Once you start using my software (using

principles of Brihat Parshara Hra Shastra), you will find yourself so

much interested in practical problems and solutions of predictive

astrology that you will not waste you time in asking questions about

mathematics of Suryasiddhanta, which will require not only many years

to understand, but an entirely new attitude which you will never

develop unless you believe in the applicability of Suryasiddhanta :

hence test Kundalee software. The test of pudding lies in tasting it.

 

I do not intend to hide the mathematics of SS, but I mean to say that

you will not be interested in difficult mathematics unless you find it

useful.

 

Sincerely,

-VJ

===== =========== =================

 

-VJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> So when did the anayanamsha concept began, then ? From which year ? And

> before that , on what position of planets were the computations based

> on, and predicted ? ( In India )

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

, " vinayjhaa16 "

> <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Anglophiles spread such rumours from time to time. Nirayan method is

> > well documented. There is no evidence of tropical method in ancient

> > India. You can find only modern conjectures, no ancient evidence.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Vinayji,

> > >

> > > I was also told that the Brihat Jataka was written fior the Sayana

> > > positions in those times, as the ayanmsha was just 1-2degrees when

> this

> > > text was written. We followed the sayana positions imn the past.

> > >

> > > Your take and comments on this.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay ji,

 

Please put the link of your software again please. It will be very

difficult for me to now search it in this deluge of mails related to

these threads. Previously i was not serious about your claims, so did

not take interest. But let me satisfy myself now, by using your

software.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " vinayjhaa16 "

<vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Bhaskar Jee,

>

> Nice question ! This is what I asked some members before, but no one

> was curious. But before it, why you are not asking " what is the

> original Indian definition of ayanamsha ? " I had asked CH to answer

> this question, but I got abuses in reply.

>

> Colebrooke, Burhess, Thibo and other Western scholars have imposed

> their own modern scientific conceptions on ancient Indian concept of

> Ayanamsha, which is causing all the trouble.

>

> Precession is the motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis supposedly fixed

> stars according to modern astronomy. Ayanamsha is the motion of the

> " bha-chakra " ( circle of nakshatras ) according to Suryasiddhanta,

> which can be said otherwise as " motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis

> bha-chakra.

>

> so far OK. The trouble arises when bha-chakra is implied to mean the

> great circle of supposedly fixed stars, which is against ancient

> definition. Suryasiddhanta clearly says that bha-chakra is not fixed,

> but makes one revolotion in 60 solar years !

>

> These are very intricate questions. Suryasiddhanta says that it was

> given by Surya to Maya just before the end of Satayuga, ie 2163198 BC

> ! Modern scholars will not believe it. Mr Chandra Hari start abusing

> me again. Moreover, you have already said you are not interested in

> ancient mathematics because they are not applicable now, in your view.

> Then, why waste time over such topics ?

>

> You will gain a lively interest in Suryasiddhanta only when you are

> convinced of its applicability NOW. There is only one way to prove it

> : test my software. Without testing the applicability of SS, how can I

> prove that it is applicable today ?

>

> There is anothe way. Look at the world map ( Fig. 11) at the bottom of

> webpage

>

http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting

>

> Now, compare this map with the world map in the article at

>

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010

>

> Do you find some similarity between both maps ? One article was

> accepted by Indian's premier institute of science at international

> conference in which 814 scientists heard me. The other article was

> presented by the seniormost astrologer of this country (HOD of

> Jyotisha, plus head of faculty plus professor, no other person holds

> so many posts in the world).

>

> I cannot explain all these things at once. Unless you test my

> software, you will never be seriously interested in Suryasiddhanta

> which has been ridiculed as anachronistic by all those powers of the

> world who are valued today. Once you start using my software (using

> principles of Brihat Parshara Hra Shastra), you will find yourself so

> much interested in practical problems and solutions of predictive

> astrology that you will not waste you time in asking questions about

> mathematics of Suryasiddhanta, which will require not only many years

> to understand, but an entirely new attitude which you will never

> develop unless you believe in the applicability of Suryasiddhanta :

> hence test Kundalee software. The test of pudding lies in tasting it.

>

> I do not intend to hide the mathematics of SS, but I mean to say that

> you will not be interested in difficult mathematics unless you find it

> useful.

>

> Sincerely,

> -VJ

> ===== =========== =================

>

> -VJ

>

>

, " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > So when did the anayanamsha concept began, then ? From which year ?

And

> > before that , on what position of planets were the computations

based

> > on, and predicted ? ( In India )

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " vinayjhaa16 "

> > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Anglophiles spread such rumours from time to time. Nirayan method

is

> > > well documented. There is no evidence of tropical method in

ancient

> > > India. You can find only modern conjectures, no ancient evidence.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinayji,

> > > >

> > > > I was also told that the Brihat Jataka was written fior the

Sayana

> > > > positions in those times, as the ayanmsha was just 1-2degrees

when

> > this

> > > > text was written. We followed the sayana positions imn the past.

> > > >

> > > > Your take and comments on this.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Software+Download

 

It works best in Win98 / Win2000 / WnXP-SP2.

 

Installing my software in WinXP-SP3 and Vista may fail, because I

never tested on them.

 

Hindi version is fuller, but even English version contains all

essential pages. Next version will be uploaded within few days.

 

-VJ

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Dear Vinay ji,

>

> Please put the link of your software again please. It will be very

> difficult for me to now search it in this deluge of mails related to

> these threads. Previously i was not serious about your claims, so did

> not take interest. But let me satisfy myself now, by using your

> software.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " vinayjhaa16 "

> <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar Jee,

> >

> > Nice question ! This is what I asked some members before, but no one

> > was curious. But before it, why you are not asking " what is the

> > original Indian definition of ayanamsha ? " I had asked CH to answer

> > this question, but I got abuses in reply.

> >

> > Colebrooke, Burhess, Thibo and other Western scholars have imposed

> > their own modern scientific conceptions on ancient Indian concept of

> > Ayanamsha, which is causing all the trouble.

> >

> > Precession is the motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis supposedly fixed

> > stars according to modern astronomy. Ayanamsha is the motion of the

> > " bha-chakra " ( circle of nakshatras ) according to Suryasiddhanta,

> > which can be said otherwise as " motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis

> > bha-chakra.

> >

> > so far OK. The trouble arises when bha-chakra is implied to mean the

> > great circle of supposedly fixed stars, which is against ancient

> > definition. Suryasiddhanta clearly says that bha-chakra is not fixed,

> > but makes one revolotion in 60 solar years !

> >

> > These are very intricate questions. Suryasiddhanta says that it was

> > given by Surya to Maya just before the end of Satayuga, ie 2163198 BC

> > ! Modern scholars will not believe it. Mr Chandra Hari start abusing

> > me again. Moreover, you have already said you are not interested in

> > ancient mathematics because they are not applicable now, in your view.

> > Then, why waste time over such topics ?

> >

> > You will gain a lively interest in Suryasiddhanta only when you are

> > convinced of its applicability NOW. There is only one way to prove it

> > : test my software. Without testing the applicability of SS, how can I

> > prove that it is applicable today ?

> >

> > There is anothe way. Look at the world map ( Fig. 11) at the bottom of

> > webpage

> >

> http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting

> >

> > Now, compare this map with the world map in the article at

> >

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010

> >

> > Do you find some similarity between both maps ? One article was

> > accepted by Indian's premier institute of science at international

> > conference in which 814 scientists heard me. The other article was

> > presented by the seniormost astrologer of this country (HOD of

> > Jyotisha, plus head of faculty plus professor, no other person holds

> > so many posts in the world).

> >

> > I cannot explain all these things at once. Unless you test my

> > software, you will never be seriously interested in Suryasiddhanta

> > which has been ridiculed as anachronistic by all those powers of the

> > world who are valued today. Once you start using my software (using

> > principles of Brihat Parshara Hra Shastra), you will find yourself so

> > much interested in practical problems and solutions of predictive

> > astrology that you will not waste you time in asking questions about

> > mathematics of Suryasiddhanta, which will require not only many years

> > to understand, but an entirely new attitude which you will never

> > develop unless you believe in the applicability of Suryasiddhanta :

> > hence test Kundalee software. The test of pudding lies in tasting it.

> >

> > I do not intend to hide the mathematics of SS, but I mean to say that

> > you will not be interested in difficult mathematics unless you find it

> > useful.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > -VJ

> > ===== =========== =================

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > So when did the anayanamsha concept began, then ? From which year ?

> And

> > > before that , on what position of planets were the computations

> based

> > > on, and predicted ? ( In India )

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vinayjhaa16 "

> > > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Anglophiles spread such rumours from time to time. Nirayan method

> is

> > > > well documented. There is no evidence of tropical method in

> ancient

> > > > India. You can find only modern conjectures, no ancient evidence.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinayji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was also told that the Brihat Jataka was written fior the

> Sayana

> > > > > positions in those times, as the ayanmsha was just 1-2degrees

> when

> > > this

> > > > > text was written. We followed the sayana positions imn the past.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your take and comments on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinayji,I think you are mixing up the concept of the earth's positional time cycle of 25,800 years with the concept of the earth's positional time cycle of 60 years with respect to the combined movement of Jupiter and earth. Due to the former the equinox / solstice come back to the earlier position and due to the later the combined Jupiter and the Moon come back to the earlier position. Regards,SKB--- On Sun, 1/11/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Brihata Jataka - Written at times of sayana. Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 8:49 AM

 

Bhaskar Jee,

 

Nice question ! This is what I asked some members before, but no one

was curious. But before it, why you are not asking "what is the

original Indian definition of ayanamsha ?" I had asked CH to answer

this question, but I got abuses in reply.

 

Colebrooke, Burhess, Thibo and other Western scholars have imposed

their own modern scientific conceptions on ancient Indian concept of

Ayanamsha, which is causing all the trouble.

 

Precession is the motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis supposedly fixed

stars according to modern astronomy. Ayanamsha is the motion of the

"bha-chakra" ( circle of nakshatras ) according to Suryasiddhanta,

which can be said otherwise as "motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis

bha-chakra.

 

so far OK. The trouble arises when bha-chakra is implied to mean the

great circle of supposedly fixed stars, which is against ancient

definition. Suryasiddhanta clearly says that bha-chakra is not fixed,

but makes one revolotion in 60 solar years !

 

These are very intricate questions. Suryasiddhanta says that it was

given by Surya to Maya just before the end of Satayuga, ie 2163198 BC

! Modern scholars will not believe it. Mr Chandra Hari start abusing

me again. Moreover, you have already said you are not interested in

ancient mathematics because they are not applicable now, in your view.

Then, why waste time over such topics ?

 

You will gain a lively interest in Suryasiddhanta only when you are

convinced of its applicability NOW. There is only one way to prove it

: test my software. Without testing the applicability of SS, how can I

prove that it is applicable today ?

 

There is anothe way. Look at the world map ( Fig. 11) at the bottom of

webpage

http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing

 

Now, compare this map with the world map in the article at

http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010

 

Do you find some similarity between both maps ? One article was

accepted by Indian's premier institute of science at international

conference in which 814 scientists heard me. The other article was

presented by the seniormost astrologer of this country (HOD of

Jyotisha, plus head of faculty plus professor, no other person holds

so many posts in the world).

 

I cannot explain all these things at once. Unless you test my

software, you will never be seriously interested in Suryasiddhanta

which has been ridiculed as anachronistic by all those powers of the

world who are valued today. Once you start using my software (using

principles of Brihat Parshara Hra Shastra), you will find yourself so

much interested in practical problems and solutions of predictive

astrology that you will not waste you time in asking questions about

mathematics of Suryasiddhanta, which will require not only many years

to understand, but an entirely new attitude which you will never

develop unless you believe in the applicability of Suryasiddhanta :

hence test Kundalee software. The test of pudding lies in tasting it.

 

I do not intend to hide the mathematics of SS, but I mean to say that

you will not be interested in difficult mathematics unless you find it

useful.

 

Sincerely,

-VJ

===== =========== ============ =====

 

-VJ

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> So when did the anayanamsha concept began, then ? From which year ? And

> before that , on what position of planets were the computations based

> on, and predicted ? ( In India )

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinayjhaa16"

> <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> >

> > Anglophiles spread such rumours from time to time. Nirayan method is

> > well documented. There is no evidence of tropical method in ancient

> > India. You can find only modern conjectures, no ancient evidence.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Vinayji,

> > >

> > > I was also told that the Brihat Jataka was written fior the Sayana

> > > positions in those times, as the ayanmsha was just 1-2degrees when

> this

> > > text was written. We followed the sayana positions imn the past.

> > >

> > > Your take and comments on this.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay ji,

// Moreover, you have already said you are not interested inancient mathematics because they are not applicable now, in your view. Then, why waste time over such topics ? //

I have never said that I am not interested in ancient maths because it is not applicable today. I have meant what is the application value of this maths today to the present day utilities of the astrologers in this Group ? I am still not interested in the maths part, which I re-confirm .

I asked you "So when did the anayanamsha concept began, then ? From which year ? And before that , on what position of planets were the computations based on, and predicted ? ( In India )"

You chose not to answer this, with the argument that too much of maths is involved here and this would take many pages etc.etc. But I think that if You have done your homework, this must not take more than 3 Lines to answer, or at the most 5 Lines. Anyway I cannot take out juice from an Orange where its not there. Lets move ahead.

My other queries -

1) What is the rate of movement of the point of Aries,causing the ayanamsha ?

2) At what point do both the sideral and Trpical zodiacs meet, and when have they met bfore and would meet again in future.

regards,

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinayji,

 

We have had good discussions on the mathematical base, half of which I

could not understand and found leading nowhere. The main topics hovering

on the messages were : " ChandraHari " and " The efficiency of your

software " .

 

Okay both the points have been taken. ( I have yet to put your software

in working condition, because when I click on Setup.exe I get the

message " Insert a CD " So I do not know how to move further).

 

Now we have to move forward keeping both above subjects off our backs

now. What exactly we were looking from you, were the secrets of

astrology which made us participate unsuccussefully in this thread. You

have now to pull this out from your bag, and give us these, so that we

can apply this in our predictive astrology. Rest of the discussions are

becoming monotonous.

 

kind regards,

 

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Bhaskar jee,

 

You do not believe when I say that your questions will consume a great

deal of my time, because I will have to speak against the wrong

interpretations of ancient texts by Western scholars. If without

proving their falsehood, I give the real meanings of ancients texts,

some people will again start abusing me as being a " fraud " , because

they have blind faith in dishonest and ill-informed interpreters like

Colebrooke, Burgess, etc. Now, some members will start abusing me for

calling these great " Tapasvis " dishonest (Chandrahari jee had labeled

Burgess a " Tapasvi " ), and a fresh controversy will start, wasting

everyone's time, including mine. Please give me some time to explain

things. These problems cannot be answered in one sentence.

 

Since you are not ready ready to relent, you are forcing me to chose

one of two options : either I should resign from this forum or request

you to have some patience. The falsehood propagated by Western

pseudo-scholars cannot be proven to be false in 2 or 3 lines, and

without proving the falsehood of existing Western views about ancient

Indian texts, truth cannot be stated and proven. There is no shortcut

to truth. Sunil jee is also resolute to prove that ayanamsha is

precession. It is the firm opinion of a majority of those persons who

impose modern opinions upon ancient texts, without even caring to read

the originals. You are compelling me to start a fight with almost

everyone. It is not a good way. The problem of ayanamsha is one of the

greatest problems in modern Indian astrology. Why you want an answer

it in just one sentence?

 

Mr Chandrahari quoted Burgess to prove me false (on ayanamsha), but

Chandrahari jee did not mention that Burgess had quoted ancient texts

wrongly and dishonestly. I am writing on these things. Even God cannot

solve your problem in one sentence, because a short reply will start a

new controversy. Without clearing the existing doubts, no satisfactory

answer is possible. Due to wastage of my time is useless personal

feuds & c, I am not even able to write any good topic either for this

forum or for my website, and I am also unable to upload the new

version of my software for which a lot of persons are enquiring.

 

The time wasted in writing this answer to convince you that the riddle

of ayanamsha cannot be solved in one sentence could have been devoted

to writing down that detailed answer, which will take weeks and

perhaps months, and will be published either here if I am permitted to

remain a member or at my website, in a series of short pieces, the

first part of which I am posting today, if you and other members allow

me to write anything worthwhile at all. I have 864 unanswered mails in

my mailbox. Will you have some patience, please ?

 

-VJ

[Guest guest]

Sunil Jee,

I am not " mixing up " precession with Jovian movements, but I stated

what is exactly mentioned what is written in Suryasiddhanta, I repeat

what I said : " Suryasiddhanta clearly says that bha-chakra is not

fixed,but makes one revolotion in 60 solar years ! "

 

If you conclude that I am " mixing up " , I must be either be a fool to

read " bha-chakra " instead of Jupiter, or a fraud to push my view in

the name of ancient texts. I know you have no time to consult texts

aleays, since you must be busy in other jobs too, but I always write

what I can subtantiate. Once I wrote here that " I do not remember

whether Bhishma Pitamaha was on qrrow-bed fro 56 or 58 days " ; later I

consulted the original text and wrote that it was 58. It is my rule. I

never quote either falsely or on the basis of memories which may

sometimes cheat. If I do not remember, then I mention that I do not

remember. If I quote a text, it means the text is before me, because

my i always work in my library and never mis-quote.

 

Your problem is that you are able to digest this 60-year solar cycle

of nakshatra-chakra mentioned in Suryasiddhanta. Jovian cycle is of

59.3 years only. Now I am giving the answer, which you will find it

hard to digest, and harder to refute :

 

Suns's apparent period viv-a-vis Esrth is of 1 year, while

Suryasiddhantic nakshatra cycle is of 60 solar years. Hence, it takes

61 years for the Sun to arrive at any fixed point of the

nakshatra-chakra. Since annual cycles of seasons such as monsoons are

dependent on differential heating of seas viv-a-vis land, these

seasonal cycles are dependent on Sun, and therefore show a 61-year

cycle in all phenomena related to global and Indian rainfall,

temperature, pressure, etc. It also proves that this nakshatra chakra

is not imagunary but influences our climatic phenomena profoundly. I

did not mention this reason in my paper. Please keep it to yourself,

and try to respect astrology, only then you will be able to get more

facts. I hope you will take my words positively, and not as

" teaching " , as some members have charged me of.

 

Regards,

 

-VJ

============== ==================

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> I think you are mixing up the concept of the earth's positional 

time cycle of 25,800 years with the concept of the earth's positional

time cycle of 60 years with respect to the combined movement of

Jupiter and earth. Due to the former the equinox / solstice come back

to the earlier position and due to the later the combined Jupiter and

the Moon come back to the earlier position.

>

>  Regards,

>

> SKB

>

> --- On Sun, 1/11/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

> vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

> Re: Brihata Jataka - Written at

times of sayana.

>

> Sunday, January 11, 2009, 8:49 AM

>

>

>

>

>

Bhaskar Jee,

>

>

>

> Nice question ! This is what I asked some members before, but no one

>

> was curious. But before it, why you are not asking " what is the

>

> original Indian definition of ayanamsha ? " I had asked CH to answer

>

> this question, but I got abuses in reply.

>

>

>

> Colebrooke, Burhess, Thibo and other Western scholars have imposed

>

> their own modern scientific conceptions on ancient Indian concept of

>

> Ayanamsha, which is causing all the trouble.

>

>

>

> Precession is the motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis supposedly fixed

>

> stars according to modern astronomy. Ayanamsha is the motion of the

>

> " bha-chakra " ( circle of nakshatras ) according to Suryasiddhanta,

>

> which can be said otherwise as " motion of the equinoxes vis-a-vis

>

> bha-chakra.

>

>

>

> so far OK. The trouble arises when bha-chakra is implied to mean the

>

> great circle of supposedly fixed stars, which is against ancient

>

> definition. Suryasiddhanta clearly says that bha-chakra is not fixed,

>

> but makes one revolotion in 60 solar years !

>

>

>

> These are very intricate questions. Suryasiddhanta says that it was

>

> given by Surya to Maya just before the end of Satayuga, ie 2163198 BC

>

> ! Modern scholars will not believe it. Mr Chandra Hari start abusing

>

> me again. Moreover, you have already said you are not interested in

>

> ancient mathematics because they are not applicable now, in your view.

>

> Then, why waste time over such topics ?

>

>

>

> You will gain a lively interest in Suryasiddhanta only when you are

>

> convinced of its applicability NOW. There is only one way to prove it

>

> : test my software. Without testing the applicability of SS, how can I

>

> prove that it is applicable today ?

>

>

>

> There is anothe way. Look at the world map ( Fig. 11) at the bottom of

>

> webpage

>

> http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+

to+Rain+Forecast ing

>

>

>

> Now, compare this map with the world map in the article at

>

> http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009-

Mar+2010

>

>

>

> Do you find some similarity between both maps ? One article was

>

> accepted by Indian's premier institute of science at international

>

> conference in which 814 scientists heard me. The other article was

>

> presented by the seniormost astrologer of this country (HOD of

>

> Jyotisha, plus head of faculty plus professor, no other person holds

>

> so many posts in the world).

>

>

>

> I cannot explain all these things at once. Unless you test my

>

> software, you will never be seriously interested in Suryasiddhanta

>

> which has been ridiculed as anachronistic by all those powers of the

>

> world who are valued today. Once you start using my software (using

>

> principles of Brihat Parshara Hra Shastra), you will find yourself so

>

> much interested in practical problems and solutions of predictive

>

> astrology that you will not waste you time in asking questions about

>

> mathematics of Suryasiddhanta, which will require not only many years

>

> to understand, but an entirely new attitude which you will never

>

> develop unless you believe in the applicability of Suryasiddhanta :

>

> hence test Kundalee software. The test of pudding lies in tasting it.

>

>

>

> I do not intend to hide the mathematics of SS, but I mean to say that

>

> you will not be interested in difficult mathematics unless you find it

>

> useful.

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

>

> ===== =========== ============ =====

>

>

>

> -VJ

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

>

> <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > So when did the anayanamsha concept began, then ? From which year

? And

>

> > before that , on what position of planets were the computations based

>

> > on, and predicted ? ( In India )

>

> >

>

> > regards/Bhaskar.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vinayjhaa16 "

>

> > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Anglophiles spread such rumours from time to time. Nirayan method is

>

> > > well documented. There is no evidence of tropical method in ancient

>

> > > India. You can find only modern conjectures, no ancient evidence.

>

> > >

>

> > > -VJ

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

>

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Vinayji,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I was also told that the Brihat Jataka was written fior the Sayana

>

> > > > positions in those times, as the ayanmsha was just 1-2degrees when

>

> > this

>

> > > > text was written. We followed the sayana positions imn the past.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Your take and comments on this.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > regards,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Bhaskar.

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vinayji,I respect astrology and do believe in this august subject and that is why I was the first among the researchers on the date of the Mahabharata war to say that Saturn cannot be in Rohini to afflict Rohini. The 60-year cycle is so important that it was used in the past like we use the centuries today. Aryabhatta expressed his time-period in terms of the 60-year cycle. The Chinese too used this cycle from long past. It is only to be expected that after 60 years the Sun, the Moon and the biggest planet Jupiter can come to the same longitudinal point and there can be replication of the meteorological effects. This to my mind cannot be ignored.SKB

[Guest guest]

You might have read in my paper presented to CAOS,IISc that many

researchers had noticed a quasi ~60 year cycle, but its exact duration

was fluctuating from 55 to 85 years. I was the first to provide a

definite proof of a 61 year cycle.

 

The 59.3 year (= 60 samvatsaras of Jupiter = 5 revolutions) cycle

cannot be equated to 61 year crcle. This problem was discussed at

CAOS,IISc in detail.

 

1.7 year error is too much to be missed in the graphs I produced.

There is not even a single week's error in 61 year cycle. Jupiter's

meteorological influence is profound, but Jupiter's cycle is not

connected to this 61 year cycle.

 

-VJ

=========== ============

-- In , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Vinayji,

>

> I respect astrology and do believe in this august subject and that

is why I was the first among the researchers on the date of the

Mahabharata war  to say that Saturn cannot be in Rohini to afflict Rohini.

>

> The 60-year cycle is so important that it was used in the past like

we use the centuries today. Aryabhatta expressed his time-period in

terms of the 60-year cycle. The Chinese too used this cycle from long

past. It is only to be expected that after 60 years the Sun, the Moon

and the biggest planet Jupiter can come to the same longitudinal point

and there can be replication of the meteorological effects. This to my

mind cannot be ignored.

>

> SKB

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinayji,Then one has to separate out the periods of the two cycles to show that they are different .Regards,SKB--- On Mon, 1/12/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Brihata Jataka - Written at times of sayana. Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:07 PM

 

You might have read in my paper presented to CAOS,IISc that many

researchers had noticed a quasi ~60 year cycle, but its exact duration

was fluctuating from 55 to 85 years. I was the first to provide a

definite proof of a 61 year cycle.

 

The 59.3 year (= 60 samvatsaras of Jupiter = 5 revolutions) cycle

cannot be equated to 61 year crcle. This problem was discussed at

CAOS,IISc in detail.

 

1.7 year error is too much to be missed in the graphs I produced.

There is not even a single week's error in 61 year cycle. Jupiter's

meteorological influence is profound, but Jupiter's cycle is not

connected to this 61 year cycle.

 

-VJ

=========== ============

-- In ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

>

> Vinayji,

>

> I respect astrology and do believe in this august subject and that

is why I was the first among the researchers on the date of the

Mahabharata war to say that Saturn cannot be in Rohini to afflict Rohini.

>

> The 60-year cycle is so important that it was used in the past like

we use the centuries today. Aryabhatta expressed his time-period in

terms of the 60-year cycle. The Chinese too used this cycle from long

past. It is only to be expected that after 60 years the Sun, the Moon

and the biggest planet Jupiter can come to the same longitudinal point

and there can be replication of the meteorological effects. This to my

mind cannot be ignored.

>

> SKB

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay ji, You quote CAOS,IISc too many times...==>> > You might have read in my paper presented to CAOS,IISc ..........>> This problem was discussed at CAOS,IISc in detail.....<== Your Bio-Data put in your wiki states - ==>Research paper 'A New Approach To Rain Forecasting' accepted by CAOS of IISc

( Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore) for presentation at

international conference 'Celebrating the Monsoons' (24-28 July, 2007,

IISc, Bangalore).<== But I wonder why your name is NOT mentioned in the list of Paper presenters in CAOS of IISc 2007 list. This list is publicly available at: http://caos.iisc.ernet.in/monsoon2007/program.html The only name with any similarity I could find was one "P.N. Vinay Chandran" who presented a paper about "Modeling Indian Ocean Circulation". ; There is no "Vinay Jha' present in that list. Why it happend so?? Any way than more than whether you really presented any paper in CAOS of IISc or not, I would be more interested in the knowledge you can share as a normal member - dropping the too much I-I, My-My statements. Girija Shankar Sastri is a good scholar I know and I know that you two know each other as well. Possibly we can meet in Alahabad by the end of Feb - me, Sunil Nair ji, You, Girija Shankar ji etc. ==>> The 59.3 year (= 60 samvatsaras of Jupiter = 5 revolutions) cycle> cannot be equated to 61 year crcle. This problem was discussed at> CAOS,IISc in detail.> > 1.7 year error is too much to be missed in the graphs I produced.> There is not even a single week's error in 61 year cycle. Jupiter's> meteorological influence is profound, but Jupiter's cycle is not> connected to this 61 year cycle.<== That is big claim! I appreciate the boldness with with such a claim is made - but I also heard that even a wind produced by butturfly's wings can cause a climatic change due to the chain of events it can generate - there seems to be too many parameters involved. Any way I accept that "the taste of pudding is in eating" - but monsoon prediction is neither my job nor my interest. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "vinayjhaa16" <vinayjhaa16 wrote:>> You might have read in my paper presented to CAOS,IISc that many> researchers had noticed a quasi ~60 year cycle, but its exact duration> was fluctuating from 55 to 85 years. I was the first to provide a> definite proof of a 61 year cycle.> > The 59.3 year (= 60 samvatsaras of Jupiter = 5 revolutions) cycle> cannot be equated to 61 year crcle. This problem was discussed at> CAOS,IISc in detail.> > 1.7 year error is too much to be missed in the graphs I produced.> There is not even a single week's error in 61 year cycle. Jupiter's> meteorological influence is profound, but Jupiter's cycle is not> connected to this 61 year cycle.> > -VJ> =========== ============> -- In , Sunil Bhattacharjya> sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:> >> > Vinayji,> >> > I respect astrology and do believe in this august subject and that> is why I was the first among the researchers on the date of the> Mahabharata war to say that Saturn cannot be in Rohini to afflict Rohini.> >> > The 60-year cycle is so important that it was used in the past like> we use the centuries today. Aryabhatta expressed his time-period in> terms of the 60-year cycle. The Chinese too used this cycle from long> past. It is only to be expected that after 60 years the Sun, the Moon> and the biggest planet Jupiter can come to the same longitudinal point> and there can be replication of the meteorological effects. This to my> mind cannot be ignored.> >> > SKB>