Bhava Chalit - Vinay Ji

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay ji

 

In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha.

 

1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are

judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha chart.

 

2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava-chalita,

lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in Raashi-

chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 degrees

to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned

independently''.

 

Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30

degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the

horizon''.

 

For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please explain

how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi Chakra?.

And how is half of it below horizon.

 

3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic)

and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article or

another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which

are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation

is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as so

important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your view

don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga

kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ?

 

 

I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total

contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the

same.

 

As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new

theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and

borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is

purely your choice.

 

However please be consistent in your logic.

 

Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical manifestation

of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the

atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you are

creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw

an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two

suns or different talas of the same sun ?

 

I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But

please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with

paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna.

 

There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more polite

as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after seeing

all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one

remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ?

 

Thanks

Pradeep

[Guest guest]

You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed

your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions :

 

(1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a

well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient

design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of

Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a

lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of

the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques.

 

Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these

statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you

are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy...

carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end

of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the

ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied

two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to

horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased

against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have

tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are

so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to understand them.

 

(2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the

original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first

divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms

of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even

after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who

composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more

votes, but it will destroy shaastras.

 

(3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga

charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only

in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop

me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you

charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these

theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You

say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied

(stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from

others, how they can be my new theories? If these theories are old,

them I stole them from others (whom you do not name), and if these

theories are my own cereations then I am distorting shaastras with my

novelties ; hence both head and tail are yours ! You should name those

" original " authors. I am a fraud in your eyes, but you do not feel it

necessary to provide the proof.

 

I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept

of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website

uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. Perhaps you

guessed that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . Why not reporting

to him or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of

plagiary sans evidences ?

 

(4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow,

someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus

as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a

historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research

in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find

out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out

accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not

possible to please everyone.

 

Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you

should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many

pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010

or

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/National+Astrology+%3A+Medini+Jyotisha

 

Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas

leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain

these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient

things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should

enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read

the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD

Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques.

But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate,

without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, like me.

 

-VJ

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, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay ji

>

> In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha.

>

> 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are

> judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha chart.

>

> 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava-chalita,

> lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in Raashi-

> chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 degrees

> to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned

> independently''.

>

> Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30

> degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the

> horizon''.

>

> For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please explain

> how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi Chakra?.

> And how is half of it below horizon.

>

> 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic)

> and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article or

> another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which

> are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation

> is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as so

> important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your view

> don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga

> kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ?

>

>

> I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total

> contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the

> same.

>

> As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new

> theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and

> borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is

> purely your choice.

>

> However please be consistent in your logic.

>

> Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical manifestation

> of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the

> atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you are

> creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw

> an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two

> suns or different talas of the same sun ?

>

> I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But

> please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with

> paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna.

>

> There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more polite

> as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after seeing

> all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one

> remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ?

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>