Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 hare rama krishna dear grp Here some heatd discussion are going on and my knowledge dont allow me ( as it is limited ) to commnt .what we r interested is astrology and its effectivness .SO i request both scholars shri Vinay ji ( who is into adhyamta bhava ( athindriyam njanam jyothisham ) of astro sciences and sidhanthas ) and shri chandra hari ji who is a scientist and had done lot of good works in sidhanthic astrology and has back up of modern sicence and tantric -yogic philosophy behind him and also good worshipper of ma durga .So we know u both has a point but what is required by the time -the kala is both scholars work together and help humaniity and help us and future generation frm the erosion in knowledge happened by various reasons and western wrong trnslations to wilful agendas . so i am in mouna as osho said (not because Mounam vidhwanu bhushanam but because of my ignorence ) hope all will take litely and contribute for more jyothiss the lite which can only help human beings frm this darkness of this yuga and understand more spiritualy and finaly to moksha for both practitionr and queriest . with humble bow to both scholars sunil nair just sit by my side silently, then you will understand WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE AWAKENED ONES you will have to learn to understand their language, not according to you but according to them.... YOU LISTEN ACCORDING TO YOURSELF. You don't listen silently. You don't listen having put your mind aside.... YOUR MIND IS CONSTANTLY DISTORTING; it is giving its own color to everything that it hears. Your mind is making you stupid, although you think your mind is making you intelligent. LISTENING TO THE BUDDHAS NEEDS A CERTAIN SPACE, A DIFFERENT KIND OF SPACE. You have to listen very silently, you have to listen without any thoughts. You have not to listen with any prejudice, you have not to decide for or against. You are not to be in a hurry to decide whether they are right or wrong. JUST LISTEN WITHOUT BEING FOR OR AGAINST. Don't be in a hurry, otherwise you will do something stupid.... YOU KEEP YOUR STUPID MIND SILENT. Tell to the mind, "Please be quiet." It is okay in the ordinary world but not with the Buddhas, not with the awakened ones. Whenever new disciples used to come to Gautam the Buddha he will say to them, "FOR TWO YEARS YOU JUST SIT BY MY SIDE SILENTLY, then something will be possible. Then I can say something to you and then you will be able to understand." ONCE A GREAT PHILOSOPHER, MAULINGAPUTTA, CAME TO SEE HIM. He had thousands of disciples of his own. He was a well-known philosopher, very much respected, a great scholar. When Buddha said to him, "For two years you be here and be silent; then there is a possibility, a possibility of something transpiring between me and you," of course he was offended. He said, "What do you think? That I am an ignorant person that cannot understand you? You can say whatsoever you want to say right now; there is no need for me to wait for two years. I can understand the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Gita -- why not you?" Buddha said, "If you have understood the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Gita, why you have come here? For what? Your questions are answered! If you have understood Upanishads, then what is left? THEN DON'T WASTE MY TIME. You know already. So get lost!" He must have felt very shocked. He had come with five hundred disciples; they were also shocked. But he must have been a man of great guts -- he understood the point. He said, "That's right. IF I HAVE UNDERSTOOD -- REALLY UNDERSTOOD -- THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO COME TO YOU. I have come to you because my questions have not yet been answered. I know all the Vedas and the Upanishads, but they have not transformed my being." Then Buddha said, "Follow what I am saying. FOR TWO YEARS NO ASKING OF QUESTIONS. Unlearn everything. For two years keep quiet and be silent and sit here." When this was happening, SARIPUTTA, ONE OF BUDDHA'S GREAT DISCIPLES who was sitting there, STARTED LAUGHING. Maulingaputta said, 'Why this man is laughing? Is he crazy or something?" Buddha said, "You ask him." Sariputta was asked. Sariputta said, "I am laughing because this man is really very cunning" -- he was talking about Buddha -- "I had come just like you and AND HE TOLD ME TO BE QUIET AND SILENT FOR TWO YEARS. AND IN THOSE TWO YEARS ALL MY QUESTIONS DISAPPEARED. Now I have nothing to ask! And he goes on asking me, 'Sariputta, why don't you ask now?' So my suggestion to you is: if you want to ask, ask now; if you don't want to ask, then listen to him. Then be silent for two years." And this happened. After two years Buddha asked Maulingaputta -- exactly after two years -- "Where are your questions?" And he laughed, bowed down, touched his feet, and he said, "They have disappeared in silence. Just watching you, just seeing you, slowly slowly my clarity became more and more transparent. THE MIND DISAPPEARED AND I COULD SEE YOU WITH A NO-MIND. A totally different kind of relating has happened. Something has transpired. There are no questions, no answers either, but I am utterly contented. I have arrived home." OSHO Walking in Zen, Sitting in ZenCh #2: This Is Sacred, This Is Divineam in Buddha Hall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 sorry the messge got overlapped ,so posting agin sunil nair WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE AWAKENED ONES you will have to learn to understand their language, not according to you but according to them.... YOU LISTEN ACCORDING TO YOURSELF. You don't listen silently. You don't listen having put your mind aside.... YOUR MIND IS CONSTANTLY DISTORTING; it is giving its own color to everything that it hears. Your mind is making you stupid, although you think your mind is making you intelligent. LISTENING TO THE BUDDHAS NEEDS A CERTAIN SPACE, A DIFFERENT KIND OF SPACE. You have to listen very silently, you have to listen without any thoughts. You have not to listen with any prejudice, you have not to decide for or against. You are not to be in a hurry to decide whether they are right or wrong. JUST LISTEN WITHOUT BEING FOR OR AGAINST. Don't be in a hurry, otherwise you will do something stupid.... YOU KEEP YOUR STUPID MIND SILENT. Tell to the mind, "Please be quiet." It is okay in the ordinary world but not with the Buddhas, not with the awakened ones. Whenever new disciples used to come to Gautam the Buddha he will say to them, "FOR TWO YEARS YOU JUST SIT BY MY SIDE SILENTLY, then something will be possible. Then I can say something to you and then you will be able to understand." ONCE A GREAT PHILOSOPHER, MAULINGAPUTTA, CAME TO SEE HIM. He had thousands of disciples of his own. He was a well-known philosopher, very much respected, a great scholar. When Buddha said to him, "For two years you be here and be silent; then there is a possibility, a possibility of something transpiring between me and you," of course he was offended. He said, "What do you think? That I am an ignorant person that cannot understand you? You can say whatsoever you want to say right now; there is no need for me to wait for two years. I can understand the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Gita -- why not you?" Buddha said, "If you have understood the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Gita, why you have come here? For what? Your questions are answered! If you have understood Upanishads, then what is left? THEN DON'T WASTE MY TIME. You know already. So get lost!" He must have felt very shocked. He had come with five hundred disciples; they were also shocked. But he must have been a man of great guts -- he understood the point. He said, "That's right. IF I HAVE UNDERSTOOD -- REALLY UNDERSTOOD -- THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO COME TO YOU. I have come to you because my questions have not yet been answered. I know all the Vedas and the Upanishads, but they have not transformed my being." Then Buddha said, "Follow what I am saying. FOR TWO YEARS NO ASKING OF QUESTIONS. Unlearn everything. For two years keep quiet and be silent and sit here." When this was happening, SARIPUTTA, ONE OF BUDDHA'S GREAT DISCIPLES who was sitting there, STARTED LAUGHING. Maulingaputta said, 'Why this man is laughing? Is he crazy or something?" Buddha said, "You ask him." Sariputta was asked. Sariputta said, "I am laughing because this man is really very cunning" -- he was talking about Buddha -- "I had come just like you and AND HE TOLD ME TO BE QUIET AND SILENT FOR TWO YEARS. AND IN THOSE TWO YEARS ALL MY QUESTIONS DISAPPEARED. Now I have nothing to ask! And he goes on asking me, 'Sariputta, why don't you ask now?' So my suggestion to you is: if you want to ask, ask now; if you don't want to ask, then listen to him. Then be silent for two years." And this happened. After two years Buddha asked Maulingaputta -- exactly after two years -- "Where are your questions?" And he laughed, bowed down, touched his feet, and he said, "They have disappeared in silence. Just watching you, just seeing you, slowly slowly my clarity became more and more transparent. THE MIND DISAPPEARED AND I COULD SEE YOU WITH A NO-MIND. A totally different kind of relating has happened. Something has transpired. There are no questions, no answers either, but I am utterly contented. I have arrived home." OSHO Walking in Zen, Sitting in ZenCh #2: This Is Sacred, This Is Divineam in Buddha Hall , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > hare rama krishna> > > > dear grp> > > > Here some heatd discussion are going on and my knowledge dont allow me (> as it is limited ) to commnt .what we r interested is astrology and its> effectivness .SO i request both scholars shri Vinay ji ( who is into> adhyamta bhava ( athindriyam njanam jyothisham ) of astro sciences and> sidhanthas ) and shri chandra hari ji who is a scientist and had done> lot of good works in sidhanthic astrology and has back up of modern> sicence and tantric -yogic philosophy behind him and also good> worshipper of ma durga .So we know u both has a point but what is> required by the time -the kala is both scholars work together and help> humaniity and help us and future generation frm the erosion in knowledge> happened by various reasons and western wrong trnslations to wilful> agendas .> > so i am in mouna as osho said (not because Mounam vidhwanu bhushanam but> because of my ignorence )> > > > hope all will take litely and contribute for more jyothiss the lite> which can only help human beings frm this darkness of this yuga and> understand more spiritualy and finaly to moksha for both practitionr and> queriest .> > > > with humble bow to both scholars> > > > sunil nair> > just sit by my side silently, then you will understand> > > > WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE AWAKENED ONES you will have to learn to> understand their language, not according to you but according to> them....> > YOU LISTEN ACCORDING TO YOURSELF. You don't listen silently. You> don't listen having put your mind aside.... YOUR MIND IS CONSTANTLY> DISTORTING; it is giving its own color to everything that it hears. Your> mind is making you stupid, although you think your mind is making you> intelligent.> > LISTENING TO THE BUDDHAS NEEDS A CERTAIN SPACE, A DIFFERENT KIND OF> SPACE. You have to listen very silently, you have to listen without any> thoughts. You have not to listen with any prejudice, you have not to> decide for or against. You are not to be in a hurry to decide whether> they are right or wrong. JUST LISTEN WITHOUT BEING FOR OR AGAINST. Don't> be in a hurry, otherwise you will do something stupid....> > > > > > YOU KEEP YOUR STUPID MIND SILENT. Tell to the mind, "Please be> quiet." It is okay in the ordinary world but not with the Buddhas, not> with the awakened ones.> > > > Whenever new disciples used to come to Gautam the Buddha he will say> to them, "FOR TWO YEARS YOU JUST SIT BY MY SIDE SILENTLY, then something> will be possible. Then I can say something to you and then you will be> able to understand."> > ONCE A GREAT PHILOSOPHER, MAULINGAPUTTA, CAME TO SEE HIM. He had> thousands of disciples of his own. He was a well-known philosopher, very> much respected, a great scholar. When Buddha said to him, "For two years> you be here and be silent; then there is a possibility, a possibility of> something transpiring between me and you," of course he was offended.> > He said, "What do you think? That I am an ignorant person that> cannot understand you? You can say whatsoever you want to say right now;> there is no need for me to wait for two years. I can understand the> Vedas, the Upanishads, the Gita -- why not you?"> > Buddha said, "If you have understood the Vedas, the Upanishads, the> Gita, why you have come here? For what? Your questions are answered! If> you have understood Upanishads, then what is left? THEN DON'T WASTE MY> TIME. You know already. So get lost!"> > He must have felt very shocked. He had come with five hundred> disciples; they were also shocked. But he must have been a man of great> guts -- he understood the point. He said, "That's right. IF I HAVE> UNDERSTOOD -- REALLY UNDERSTOOD -- THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO COME TO YOU.> I have come to you because my questions have not yet been answered. I> know all the Vedas and the Upanishads, but they have not transformed my> being."> > Then Buddha said, "Follow what I am saying. FOR TWO YEARS NO ASKING> OF QUESTIONS. Unlearn everything. For two years keep quiet and be silent> and sit here."> > When this was happening, SARIPUTTA, ONE OF BUDDHA'S GREAT DISCIPLES> who was sitting there, STARTED LAUGHING.> > Maulingaputta said, 'Why this man is laughing? Is he crazy or> something?"> > Buddha said, "You ask him."> > Sariputta was asked. Sariputta said, "I am laughing because this man> is really very cunning" -- he was talking about Buddha -- "I had come> just like you and AND HE TOLD ME TO BE QUIET AND SILENT FOR TWO YEARS.> AND IN THOSE TWO YEARS ALL MY QUESTIONS DISAPPEARED. Now I have nothing> to ask! And he goes on asking me, 'Sariputta, why don't you ask now?' So> my suggestion to you is: if you want to ask, ask now; if you don't want> to ask, then listen to him. Then be silent for two years."> > And this happened. After two years Buddha asked Maulingaputta --> exactly after two years -- "Where are your questions?"> > And he laughed, bowed down, touched his feet, and he said, "They> have disappeared in silence. Just watching you, just seeing you, slowly> slowly my clarity became more and more transparent. THE MIND DISAPPEARED> AND I COULD SEE YOU WITH A NO-MIND. A totally different kind of relating> has happened. Something has transpired. There are no questions, no> answers either, but I am utterly contented. I have arrived home."> > OSHO> > Walking in Zen, Sitting in Zen> Ch #2: This Is Sacred, This Is Divine> am in Buddha Hall> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, That was a beautiful mail - especially the words of Osho, apt to the context. Thanks for such a nice post. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:hare rama krishna dear grp Here some heatd discussion are going on and my knowledge dont allow me ( as it is limited ) to commnt .what we r interested is astrology and its effectivness .SO i request both scholars shri Vinay ji ( who is into adhyamta bhava ( athindriyam njanam jyothisham ) of astro sciences and sidhanthas ) and shri chandra hari ji who is a scientist and had done lot of good works in sidhanthic astrology and has back up of modern sicence and tantric -yogic philosophy behind him and also good worshipper of ma durga .So we know u both has a point but what is required by the time -the kala is both scholars work together and help humaniity and help us and future generation frm the erosion in knowledge happened by various reasons and western wrong trnslations to wilful agendas . so i am in mouna as osho said (not because Mounam vidhwanu bhushanam but because of my ignorence ) hope all will take litely and contribute for more jyothiss the lite which can only help human beings frm this darkness of this yuga and understand more spiritualy and finaly to moksha for both practitionr and queriest . with humble bow to both scholars sunil nair just sit by my side silently, then you will understand WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE AWAKENED ONES you will have to learn to understand their language, not according to you but according to them.... YOU LISTEN ACCORDING TO YOURSELF. You don't listen silently. You don't listen having put your mind aside.... YOUR MIND IS CONSTANTLY DISTORTING; it is giving its own color to everything that it hears. Your mind is making you stupid, although you think your mind is making you intelligent. LISTENING TO THE BUDDHAS NEEDS A CERTAIN SPACE, A DIFFERENT KIND OF SPACE. You have to listen very silently, you have to listen without any thoughts. You have not to listen with any prejudice, you have not to decide for or against. You are not to be in a hurry to decide whether they are right or wrong. JUST LISTEN WITHOUT BEING FOR OR AGAINST. Don't be in a hurry, otherwise you will do something stupid.... YOU KEEP YOUR STUPID MIND SILENT. Tell to the mind, "Please be quiet." It is okay in the ordinary world but not with the Buddhas, not with the awakened ones. Whenever new disciples used to come to Gautam the Buddha he will say to them, "FOR TWO YEARS YOU JUST SIT BY MY SIDE SILENTLY, then something will be possible. Then I can say something to you and then you will be able to understand." ONCE A GREAT PHILOSOPHER, MAULINGAPUTTA, CAME TO SEE HIM. He had thousands of disciples of his own. He was a well-known philosopher, very much respected, a great scholar. When Buddha said to him, "For two years you be here and be silent; then there is a possibility, a possibility of something transpiring between me and you," of course he was offended. He said, "What do you think? That I am an ignorant person that cannot understand you? You can say whatsoever you want to say right now; there is no need for me to wait for two years. I can understand the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Gita -- why not you?" Buddha said, "If you have understood the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Gita, why you have come here? For what? Your questions are answered! If you have understood Upanishads, then what is left? THEN DON'T WASTE MY TIME. You know already. So get lost!" He must have felt very shocked. He had come with five hundred disciples; they were also shocked. But he must have been a man of great guts -- he understood the point. He said, "That's right. IF I HAVE UNDERSTOOD -- REALLY UNDERSTOOD -- THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO COME TO YOU. I have come to you because my questions have not yet been answered. I know all the Vedas and the Upanishads, but they have not transformed my being." Then Buddha said, "Follow what I am saying. FOR TWO YEARS NO ASKING OF QUESTIONS. Unlearn everything. For two years keep quiet and be silent and sit here." When this was happening, SARIPUTTA, ONE OF BUDDHA'S GREAT DISCIPLES who was sitting there, STARTED LAUGHING. Maulingaputta said, 'Why this man is laughing? Is he crazy or something?" Buddha said, "You ask him." Sariputta was asked. Sariputta said, "I am laughing because this man is really very cunning" -- he was talking about Buddha -- "I had come just like you and AND HE TOLD ME TO BE QUIET AND SILENT FOR TWO YEARS. AND IN THOSE TWO YEARS ALL MY QUESTIONS DISAPPEARED. Now I have nothing to ask! And he goes on asking me, 'Sariputta, why don't you ask now?' So my suggestion to you is: if you want to ask, ask now; if you don't want to ask, then listen to him. Then be silent for two years." And this happened. After two years Buddha asked Maulingaputta -- exactly after two years -- "Where are your questions?" And he laughed, bowed down, touched his feet, and he said, "They have disappeared in silence. Just watching you, just seeing you, slowly slowly my clarity became more and more transparent. THE MIND DISAPPEARED AND I COULD SEE YOU WITH A NO-MIND. A totally different kind of relating has happened. Something has transpired. There are no questions, no answers either, but I am utterly contented. I have arrived home." OSHO Walking in Zen, Sitting in ZenCh #2: This Is Sacred, This Is Divineam in Buddha Hall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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