Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Dear friends Members in this group are well educated and have interest. I respect all members. Thanks for Sunilji for mentioning about commercial aspect. Considering all expenses on books,softwares,computer,internet, papers,typing/printing charges,xeroxing,binding,envelopes etc. and labour involved,infuture price of my book will be Rs.110/- plus postage for English version. According to me,I have already found the truth.I want to communicate to those who are interested.(But not at my loss). Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Dear friends, In this temporary world where nothing is true or "always remaining", then we must not spend much time in allegations, or counter allegations, or any confessions, or justifications. There is not much time on our hands. Who am I ? Am I Bhaskar ? Or am I Seth Lalaprasadji of Mirzapur who was a cotton merchant a 100 years back who left 2 sons when he died, and who too are no more? Or am I RanbirSingh a loyal general of the Rajput forces 300 years back in the army of Raja of Mewad whose wife did johar when the Mughals raided the fort ? Or am I a small zamindar a 1000 years back who had a small family of 3 children and a loving wife? Or am I the pundit thousands of years back, who strayed from his path, and had to be re-born in a vaishya family ? Or am I just a member of the kshatriya clan whom Lord Shanka gave a Darshan and asked to drop the weapons and turn vaishyas after which we came to be known as Maheswaris ? I am not even sure, who am I actually . Who are we ? Nothing in the sands of time . we woudl all be forgotten in the winds which will be blowing in the coming centuries. Bhaskar and his old names of previous incarnations too would be forgotten. Everything is so temporary here. But till we are here, everyone needs money to feed his family. Some do it through other occu[pations. Few of us o it through astrology or related sciences. There is no harm in earning money, no crime, but lets all remember that every single rupee we earn has to come through honest means, without fooling anyone. And we are answerable to none about how we earn. But we are answerable to God who is always going to remain permanently with us, whatever forms we may take in various incarnations. rest people who lift a finger on us, to whom we may have to explain, will fade away. So will the person doing the explanation or justification fade away. What will remain is the truth. let us not indulge in any insinuations , but remain true to ourselves and to Dharma, and remain good colleauges here on the forum. Any argument or discussion which leads us to accusing or justfying any accusation, that argument must be stopped before it reaches that stage. Sorry for the long mail. But when I am not sure who am I even , then why all this ? Let me just do my duties prescribed and leave all rest for contemplations to the person who requires the same. I cannot spend my time in discussing, arguing, allegation, counter allegations, then justifications etc. The bills have to be paid. Some money ha sto be given to the wife this month, as on every month. Some money to be saved for the rainy day. I ahve to finish my meditation and have not yet started it. Hav eto go for a evening walk as I missed the morning one. Hav eto do Yoga. Have to do 64 malas of Japa. have to learn astrology properly. Bhaskars feelings are refected in the above post. Is anyone else too who feels the same way ? Bhaskar. , "prafulla Vaman Mendki" <prafulla_mendki wrote:>> Dear friends> Members in this group are well educated and have interest.> I respect all members.> Thanks for Sunilji for mentioning about commercial aspect.> Considering all expenses on books,softwares,computer,internet,> papers,typing/printing charges,xeroxing,binding,envelopes etc. and > labour involved,infuture price of my book will be Rs.110/- plus> postage for English version.> According to me,I have already found the truth.I want to communicate to> those who are interested.(But not at my loss).> Prafulla> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I thank Prafulla jee for his tolerance. Sunilji should not mention the commercial aspect of Prafulla jee's book here. But Prafulla jee is also wasting our time if he is not ready to discuss a single point clearly. I've also spent much time on MBh and I dot believe in Prafulla jee's claims. He must show some proofs, at least one. -VJ ========= ============= Dear friends Members in this group are well educated and have interest. I respect all members. Thanks for Sunilji for mentioning about commercial aspect. Considering all expenses on books,softwares,computer,internet, papers,typing/printing charges,xeroxing,binding,envelopes etc. and labour involved,infuture price of my book will be Rs.110/- plus postage for English version. According to me,I have already found the truth.I want to communicate to those who are interested.(But not at my loss). Prafulla , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki wrote: > > Dear friends > Members in this group are well educated and have interest. > I respect all members. > Thanks for Sunilji for mentioning about commercial aspect. > Considering all expenses on books,softwares,computer,internet, > papers,typing/printing charges,xeroxing,binding,envelopes etc. and > labour involved,infuture price of my book will be Rs.110/- plus > postage for English version. > According to me,I have already found the truth.I want to communicate to > those who are interested.(But not at my loss). > Prafulla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Dear Prafulla, Thank you for nor taking umbrage at my referring to the commercial aspects. Rather you have now elaborated the expenses incurred. You have already published your book. Then why should you hesitate to share some of the data as nobody can steal your data to block your book any more? Rather it may help increase the sale of the book once you satisfy the members of the forum about your findings. Of course the final decision is yours. In fact I am in the process of writing a book on another subject but even then I am sharing my findings freely. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 1/6/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki wrote: prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki Mahabharata Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:49 AM Dear friends Members in this group are well educated and have interest. I respect all members. Thanks for Sunilji for mentioning about commercial aspect. Considering all expenses on books,softwares, computer, internet, papers,typing/ printing charges,xeroxing, binding,envelope s etc. and labour involved,infuture price of my book will be Rs.110/- plus postage for English version. According to me,I have already found the truth.I want to communicate to those who are interested.( But not at my loss). Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Dear Sunilji Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my year.The difference of opinion is not much. But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong thoughts among Indian readers. e.g. At present I am reading a book about " Aryans " which is published in May 2008. It clearly makes statements like " Rugved was written in 1500BC to 2000BC " .It says that Indra faught war in this period. It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata. I have seen many such books. These authers are still living in British slavery. Who will criticise them? When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana what we can expect? Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Dear Prafullaji, In this world of duality good and evil both have to stay. Day and night, sukh dukh, jawani budhapa, jindagi maut all have to remain here to make this world what it is. Shrishti ka chakra nahin chalega agar sab acche honge aur samajhdar honge toh. Same way thre would be believers and non-believers both. Scholars and idiots both. Honest and unscruplous people both. The likes of the specimens you mentioned, if dont find a place on this earth, then who will ask for you and me ? Our government - the less said about it, the better. We can write volumes on our Govt. Let these people do what they have to, write what they have to. That does not make it the truth. The world is big and we cannot make all see sense. That is the job of God. We have to look at our own self at such times, because you cannot change the circumstances or the external factors, only the internal ones, and your own approach on how to deal or view these . best wishes, Bhaskar. , "prafulla Vaman Mendki" <prafulla_mendki wrote:>> Dear Sunilji> Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my> year.The difference of opinion is not much.> But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong thoughts> among Indian readers.> e.g. At present I am reading a book about "Aryans" which is> published in May 2008.> It clearly makes statements like "Rugved was written in 1500BC to> 2000BC".It says that Indra faught war in this period.> It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is> not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata.> I have seen many such books.> These authers are still living in British slavery.> Who will criticise them?> When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana> what we can expect?> Prafulla> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Prafulla jee, Why you cannot discuss at least a few points with us? You are avoiding me; but why? http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay+Jha , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki wrote: > > Dear Sunilji > Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my > year.The difference of opinion is not much. > But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong thoughts > among Indian readers. > e.g. At present I am reading a book about " Aryans " which is > published in May 2008. > It clearly makes statements like " Rugved was written in 1500BC to > 2000BC " .It says that Indra faught war in this period. > It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is > not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata. > I have seen many such books. > These authers are still living in British slavery. > Who will criticise them? > When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana > what we can expect? > Prafulla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dear Vinayji I am avoiding anybody. I think that the discussion about date of Mahabharata may become endless and I do not wish to indulge in it. also my father in law exipred on 7th.So I will not able to discuss for some days. But I do not wish to leave any questions regarding my book unaswered. Therefore I am trying to clear doubts raised by some members. 1) I have no connection with JNU and I do not know about their findings.So I do notwish to comment on it.I will give information about my book only. 2) Some members have raised question about age of ShriKrishna at the time of war. I have not calculated so far.But in future I will find date of birth of ShriKrishna (from reference in Mahabharata.) I think Mahabharata is more reliable because in Puranas,some matter was added in 1901BC(e.g. Kaliyug was extended from 1200years to 4,32,000 years)I do not think that Krishna and others were very old.Nobody can fight after 80 years. 3)Bhishma died on 16/17 Dec 3008BC,Magha Shuka 8,when moon was in Rohini. Please note that 10 th Sept 3008BC was Kartik Krishna 13. After that there was additional Kartik month.In those days ,additional month was taken after 30 months.So 16/17 Dec was Magh Shukla 8.If we take months as per Pournimant method,(as is custom in North) then we do not have to take additional month. Also pl note that at present winter solastice year is 365.24274049 days which is longer than average euinox year(365.2422days) Also it changes every year. Therefore by calculation,winter solastice day in 3008BC was 16/17 Dec (not 21 Dec as now). war was faught on alternate days except after Jayadratha fell and after Shalya fell. War ended on 14 Oct ,Margashirsha Shukla 4,Shravan.(When Balram also returned on 42 th day from piligrim) Bhishma fell on 10 th day(of war) i.e. on 28 th sept. After 58 nights,on 24 Nov,Poush full moon day,he said that Magh(as per Pournimant method) was about to start. Prafulla -- In , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Prafulla jee, > Why you cannot discuss at least a few points with us? > > You are avoiding me; but why? > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay+Jha > > > , " prafulla Vaman > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunilji > > Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my > > year.The difference of opinion is not much. > > But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong thoughts > > among Indian readers. > > e.g. At present I am reading a book about " Aryans " which is > > published in May 2008. > > It clearly makes statements like " Rugved was written in 1500BC to > > 2000BC " .It says that Indra faught war in this period. > > It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is > > not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata. > > I have seen many such books. > > These authers are still living in British slavery. > > Who will criticise them? > > When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana > > what we can expect? > > Prafulla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thanks for your answer, Prafulla jee. I am busy in updating my software. You can look at http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Lord+Krishna for one of the many possible dates. I do not hold to any fixed view , but I believe the main MBh War must be placed 56 days befor Uttarayana, which could not be possible in BC 3102. Hence we must go earlier dates, not later as you are doing, because the battle took place in Dwapar Age according to all acnient authorities. I differ from your view of Lord Krishna not beong able to fight after 80. You do not belong to JNU brand, but you do not recognize the power of Lord Krishna either. I have firm proofs of the fact that Veda Vyasa jee used Suryadiddhanta. Hence it is not proper to use modern astronomy in evaluating MBh and Puranas. If you want Suryadiddhantic software (freely) for your researches, you can download it from http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Software+Download But you are free to have your views. Sincerely, -VJ , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki wrote: > > Dear Vinayji > I am avoiding anybody. > I think that the discussion about date of Mahabharata may > become endless and I do not wish to indulge in it. > also my father in law exipred on 7th.So I will not able to discuss > for some days. > But I do not wish to leave any questions regarding my book > unaswered. Therefore I am trying to clear doubts raised by some > members. > 1) I have no connection with JNU and I do not know about their > findings.So I do notwish to comment on it.I will give information > about my book only. > 2) Some members have raised question about age of ShriKrishna > at the time of war. > I have not calculated so far.But in future I will find date of > birth of ShriKrishna (from reference in Mahabharata.) > I think Mahabharata is more reliable because in Puranas,some > matter was added in 1901BC(e.g. Kaliyug was extended from 1200years > to 4,32,000 years)I do not think that Krishna and others were > very old.Nobody can fight after 80 years. > 3)Bhishma died on 16/17 Dec 3008BC,Magha Shuka 8,when moon was in > Rohini. > Please note that 10 th Sept 3008BC was Kartik Krishna 13. > After that there was additional Kartik month.In those > days ,additional month was taken after 30 months.So 16/17 Dec was > Magh Shukla 8.If we take months as per Pournimant method,(as is > custom in North) then we do not have to take additional month. > Also pl note that at present winter solastice year is 365.24274049 > days which is longer than average euinox year(365.2422days) > Also it changes every year. > Therefore by calculation,winter solastice day in 3008BC was > 16/17 Dec (not 21 Dec as now). > war was faught on alternate days except after Jayadratha fell > and after Shalya fell. > War ended on 14 Oct ,Margashirsha Shukla 4,Shravan.(When Balram also > returned on 42 th day from piligrim) > Bhishma fell on 10 th day(of war) i.e. on 28 th sept. > After 58 nights,on 24 Nov,Poush full moon day,he said that > Magh(as per Pournimant method) was about to start. > Prafulla > > > > > -- In , " vinayjhaa16 " > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > Prafulla jee, > > Why you cannot discuss at least a few points with us? > > > > You are avoiding me; but why? > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay+Jha > > > > > > , " prafulla Vaman > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunilji > > > Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my > > > year.The difference of opinion is not much. > > > But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong thoughts > > > among Indian readers. > > > e.g. At present I am reading a book about " Aryans " which is > > > published in May 2008. > > > It clearly makes statements like " Rugved was written in 1500BC > to > > > 2000BC " .It says that Indra faught war in this period. > > > It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is > > > not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata. > > > I have seen many such books. > > > These authers are still living in British slavery. > > > Who will criticise them? > > > When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana > > > what we can expect? > > > Prafulla > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I agree with you. Moreover the war did not take place on the alternate days as Prafulla thinks It took place daily and Bhishma spent 58 nights on the bed of arrows. SKB --- On Fri, 1/9/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Mahabharata Friday, January 9, 2009, 1:23 AM Thanks for your answer, Prafulla jee. I am busy in updating my software. You can look at http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Lord+Krishna for one of the many possible dates. I do not hold to any fixed view , but I believe the main MBh War must be placed 56 days befor Uttarayana, which could not be possible in BC 3102. Hence we must go earlier dates, not later as you are doing, because the battle took place in Dwapar Age according to all acnient authorities. I differ from your view of Lord Krishna not beong able to fight after 80. You do not belong to JNU brand, but you do not recognize the power of Lord Krishna either. I have firm proofs of the fact that Veda Vyasa jee used Suryadiddhanta. Hence it is not proper to use modern astronomy in evaluating MBh and Puranas. If you want Suryadiddhantic software (freely) for your researches, you can download it from http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Software+ Download But you are free to have your views. Sincerely, -VJ ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinayji > I am avoiding anybody. > I think that the discussion about date of Mahabharata may > become endless and I do not wish to indulge in it. > also my father in law exipred on 7th.So I will not able to discuss > for some days. > But I do not wish to leave any questions regarding my book > unaswered. Therefore I am trying to clear doubts raised by some > members. > 1) I have no connection with JNU and I do not know about their > findings.So I do notwish to comment on it.I will give information > about my book only. > 2) Some members have raised question about age of ShriKrishna > at the time of war. > I have not calculated so far.But in future I will find date of > birth of ShriKrishna (from reference in Mahabharata. ) > I think Mahabharata is more reliable because in Puranas,some > matter was added in 1901BC(e.g. Kaliyug was extended from 1200years > to 4,32,000 years)I do not think that Krishna and others were > very old.Nobody can fight after 80 years. > 3)Bhishma died on 16/17 Dec 3008BC,Magha Shuka 8,when moon was in > Rohini. > Please note that 10 th Sept 3008BC was Kartik Krishna 13. > After that there was additional Kartik month.In those > days ,additional month was taken after 30 months.So 16/17 Dec was > Magh Shukla 8.If we take months as per Pournimant method,(as is > custom in North) then we do not have to take additional month. > Also pl note that at present winter solastice year is 365.24274049 > days which is longer than average euinox year(365.2422days) > Also it changes every year. > Therefore by calculation, winter solastice day in 3008BC was > 16/17 Dec (not 21 Dec as now). > war was faught on alternate days except after Jayadratha fell > and after Shalya fell. > War ended on 14 Oct ,Margashirsha Shukla 4,Shravan.(When Balram also > returned on 42 th day from piligrim) > Bhishma fell on 10 th day(of war) i.e. on 28 th sept. > After 58 nights,on 24 Nov,Poush full moon day,he said that > Magh(as per Pournimant method) was about to start. > Prafulla > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > Prafulla jee, > > Why you cannot discuss at least a few points with us? > > > > You are avoiding me; but why? > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla Vaman > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunilji > > > Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my > > > year.The difference of opinion is not much. > > > But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong thoughts > > > among Indian readers. > > > e.g. At present I am reading a book about " Aryans " which is > > > published in May 2008. > > > It clearly makes statements like " Rugved was written in 1500BC > to > > > 2000BC " .It says that Indra faught war in this period. > > > It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is > > > not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata. > > > I have seen many such books. > > > These authers are still living in British slavery. > > > Who will criticise them? > > > When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana > > > what we can expect? > > > Prafulla > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I do not exactly remember whether Bhishma jee was on arrow bed for 56 or 58 beds, I will have to consult the source. But I remember clearly that the battle took plaice DAILY. -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Dear Sunilji Mahabharata war was faught on alternate days except for 2 days. This is alrady proved by Late G.V.Kavishwar in his Marathi book " Mahabharatatil Gudh Rahasye'(which means Mysteries in Mahabharata)He has given in detail what happened on every day including rest days.So I do not have to prove it again. secondly, Bhishma cearly said on 58 th night that Shukla paksha was about to end and Magha(as per Pounimant method) was about to start.This night was Poush Full Moon day/Poush Krishna 1(Magh Krishna 1 as per Noth Indian custom).But he did not die on this 58 th night.He died on Magh Shukla 8. Prafulla , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > I agree with you. Moreover the war did not take place on the alternate days as Prafulla thinks It took place daily and Bhishma spent 58 nights on the bed of arrows. > > SKB > > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 > Re: Mahabharata > > Friday, January 9, 2009, 1:23 AM > > Thanks for your answer, Prafulla jee. > > > > I am busy in updating my software. You can look at > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Lord+Krishna for one of the many > > possible dates. > > > > I do not hold to any fixed view , but I believe the main MBh War must > > be placed 56 days befor Uttarayana, which could not be possible in BC > > 3102. Hence we must go earlier dates, not later as you are doing, > > because the battle took place in Dwapar Age according to all acnient > > authorities. > > > > I differ from your view of Lord Krishna not beong able to fight after > > 80. You do not belong to JNU brand, but you do not recognize the power > > of Lord Krishna either. > > > > I have firm proofs of the fact that Veda Vyasa jee used > > Suryadiddhanta. Hence it is not proper to use modern astronomy in > > evaluating MBh and Puranas. If you want Suryadiddhantic software > > (freely) for your researches, you can download it from > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Software+ Download > > > > But you are free to have your views. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -VJ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla Vaman > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinayji > > > I am avoiding anybody. > > > I think that the discussion about date of Mahabharata may > > > become endless and I do not wish to indulge in it. > > > also my father in law exipred on 7th.So I will not able to discuss > > > for some days. > > > But I do not wish to leave any questions regarding my book > > > unaswered. Therefore I am trying to clear doubts raised by some > > > members. > > > 1) I have no connection with JNU and I do not know about their > > > findings.So I do notwish to comment on it.I will give information > > > about my book only. > > > 2) Some members have raised question about age of ShriKrishna > > > at the time of war. > > > I have not calculated so far.But in future I will find date of > > > birth of ShriKrishna (from reference in Mahabharata. ) > > > I think Mahabharata is more reliable because in Puranas,some > > > matter was added in 1901BC(e.g. Kaliyug was extended from 1200years > > > to 4,32,000 years)I do not think that Krishna and others were > > > very old.Nobody can fight after 80 years. > > > 3)Bhishma died on 16/17 Dec 3008BC,Magha Shuka 8,when moon was in > > > Rohini. > > > Please note that 10 th Sept 3008BC was Kartik Krishna 13. > > > After that there was additional Kartik month.In those > > > days ,additional month was taken after 30 months.So 16/17 Dec was > > > Magh Shukla 8.If we take months as per Pournimant method,(as is > > > custom in North) then we do not have to take additional month. > > > Also pl note that at present winter solastice year is 365.24274049 > > > days which is longer than average euinox year(365.2422days) > > > Also it changes every year. > > > Therefore by calculation, winter solastice day in 3008BC was > > > 16/17 Dec (not 21 Dec as now). > > > war was faught on alternate days except after Jayadratha fell > > > and after Shalya fell. > > > War ended on 14 Oct ,Margashirsha Shukla 4,Shravan.(When Balram also > > > returned on 42 th day from piligrim) > > > Bhishma fell on 10 th day(of war) i.e. on 28 th sept. > > > After 58 nights,on 24 Nov,Poush full moon day,he said that > > > Magh(as per Pournimant method) was about to start. > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Prafulla jee, > > > > Why you cannot discuss at least a few points with us? > > > > > > > > You are avoiding me; but why? > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla Vaman > > > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji > > > > > Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my > > > > > year.The difference of opinion is not much. > > > > > But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong thoughts > > > > > among Indian readers. > > > > > e.g. At present I am reading a book about " Aryans " which is > > > > > published in May 2008. > > > > > It clearly makes statements like " Rugved was written in 1500BC > > > to > > > > > 2000BC " .It says that Indra faught war in this period. > > > > > It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is > > > > > not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata. > > > > > I have seen many such books. > > > > > These authers are still living in British slavery. > > > > > Who will criticise them? > > > > > When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana > > > > > what we can expect? > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Prafulla Jee, Please do not rely on false sources and read the original Mahabharata. Bhishma Pitamaha clearly said on the 58th day that " 58 days have elapsed..(in preceding shloka)...and it is Maagha month, whose (one quarter has elapsed and) three quarters are to come, it being Shukla paksha. " It is bad to quote one half of a shloka ( " it is Maagha Shukla " ) and omit the next half ( " three quarters are to come " ). Read the original " Maagho-ayam sam-anupraapto maasah saumyo yudhushthira tri-bhaaga-sheshah paksho-ayam shuklo bhavatir-mahati " -Anushaashanparvanibhishmasvargarohanaparvani, adhyaaya 166, shloka 28 Three quarters of magha remain, ie 22.5 tithi remain, which means 7.5 tithis elapsed. Hence it was ashtami. Please redo your book, it is based on wrong secondary sources. Such errors occur often. I honour the sincerity of your efforts, and hope that you may be able to give something valuable to us all. -VJ ============= ============= ============= , " prafulla Vaman Mendki " <prafulla_mendki wrote: > > Dear Sunilji > Mahabharata war was faught on alternate days except for 2 days. > This is alrady proved by Late G.V.Kavishwar in his Marathi > book " Mahabharatatil Gudh Rahasye'(which means Mysteries in > Mahabharata)He has given in detail what happened on every day > including rest days.So I do not have to prove it again. > secondly, Bhishma cearly said on 58 th night that Shukla paksha > was about to end and Magha(as per Pounimant method) was about to > start.This night was Poush Full Moon day/Poush Krishna 1(Magh > Krishna 1 as per Noth Indian custom).But he did not die on this > 58 th night.He died on Magh Shukla 8. > Prafulla > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > I agree with you. Moreover the war did not take place on the > alternate days as Prafulla thinks It took place daily and Bhishma > spent 58 nights on the bed of arrows. > > > > SKB > > > > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> > > Re: Mahabharata > > > > Friday, January 9, 2009, 1:23 AM > > > > Thanks for your answer, Prafulla jee. > > > > > > > > I am busy in updating my software. You can look at > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Lord+Krishna for one of > the many > > > > possible dates. > > > > > > > > I do not hold to any fixed view , but I believe the main MBh War > must > > > > be placed 56 days befor Uttarayana, which could not be possible in > BC > > > > 3102. Hence we must go earlier dates, not later as you are doing, > > > > because the battle took place in Dwapar Age according to all > acnient > > > > authorities. > > > > > > > > I differ from your view of Lord Krishna not beong able to fight > after > > > > 80. You do not belong to JNU brand, but you do not recognize the > power > > > > of Lord Krishna either. > > > > > > > > I have firm proofs of the fact that Veda Vyasa jee used > > > > Suryadiddhanta. Hence it is not proper to use modern astronomy in > > > > evaluating MBh and Puranas. If you want Suryadiddhantic software > > > > (freely) for your researches, you can download it from > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Software+ Download > > > > > > > > But you are free to have your views. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla Vaman > > > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji > > > > > I am avoiding anybody. > > > > > I think that the discussion about date of Mahabharata may > > > > > become endless and I do not wish to indulge in it. > > > > > also my father in law exipred on 7th.So I will not able to > discuss > > > > > for some days. > > > > > But I do not wish to leave any questions regarding my book > > > > > unaswered. Therefore I am trying to clear doubts raised by some > > > > > members. > > > > > 1) I have no connection with JNU and I do not know about their > > > > > findings.So I do notwish to comment on it.I will give information > > > > > about my book only. > > > > > 2) Some members have raised question about age of ShriKrishna > > > > > at the time of war. > > > > > I have not calculated so far.But in future I will find date of > > > > > birth of ShriKrishna (from reference in Mahabharata. ) > > > > > I think Mahabharata is more reliable because in Puranas,some > > > > > matter was added in 1901BC(e.g. Kaliyug was extended from > 1200years > > > > > to 4,32,000 years)I do not think that Krishna and others were > > > > > very old.Nobody can fight after 80 years. > > > > > 3)Bhishma died on 16/17 Dec 3008BC,Magha Shuka 8,when moon was in > > > > > Rohini. > > > > > Please note that 10 th Sept 3008BC was Kartik Krishna 13. > > > > > After that there was additional Kartik month.In those > > > > > days ,additional month was taken after 30 months.So 16/17 Dec was > > > > > Magh Shukla 8.If we take months as per Pournimant method,(as is > > > > > custom in North) then we do not have to take additional month. > > > > > Also pl note that at present winter solastice year is > 365.24274049 > > > > > days which is longer than average euinox year(365.2422days) > > > > > Also it changes every year. > > > > > Therefore by calculation, winter solastice day in 3008BC was > > > > > 16/17 Dec (not 21 Dec as now). > > > > > war was faught on alternate days except after Jayadratha fell > > > > > and after Shalya fell. > > > > > War ended on 14 Oct ,Margashirsha Shukla 4,Shravan.(When Balram > also > > > > > returned on 42 th day from piligrim) > > > > > Bhishma fell on 10 th day(of war) i.e. on 28 th sept. > > > > > After 58 nights,on 24 Nov,Poush full moon day,he said that > > > > > Magh(as per Pournimant method) was about to start. > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla jee, > > > > > > Why you cannot discuss at least a few points with us? > > > > > > > > > > > > You are avoiding me; but why? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla > Vaman > > > > > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji > > > > > > > Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my > > > > > > > year.The difference of opinion is not much. > > > > > > > But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong > thoughts > > > > > > > among Indian readers. > > > > > > > e.g. At present I am reading a book about " Aryans " which is > > > > > > > published in May 2008. > > > > > > > It clearly makes statements like " Rugved was written in > 1500BC > > > > > to > > > > > > > 2000BC " .It says that Indra faught war in this period. > > > > > > > It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is > > > > > > > not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata. > > > > > > > I have seen many such books. > > > > > > > These authers are still living in British slavery. > > > > > > > Who will criticise them? > > > > > > > When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana > > > > > > > what we can expect? > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Dear Sunilji I am refering to the same Shloka which clearly says that Magh is about to start. Dear Sunilji, I am sorry to say that I can not redo as per your meaning. Thanks.I already said that discussion isnow closed. Prafulla , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Prafulla Jee, > > Please do not rely on false sources and read the original Mahabharata. > Bhishma Pitamaha clearly said on the 58th day that " 58 days have > elapsed..(in preceding shloka)...and it is Maagha month, whose (one > quarter has elapsed and) three quarters are to come, it being Shukla > paksha. " > > It is bad to quote one half of a shloka ( " it is Maagha Shukla " ) and > omit the next half ( " three quarters are to come " ). Read the original > > " Maagho-ayam sam-anupraapto maasah saumyo yudhushthira > tri-bhaaga-sheshah paksho-ayam shuklo bhavatir-mahati " > > -Anushaashanparvanibhishmasvargarohanaparvani, adhyaaya 166, shloka 28 > > Three quarters of magha remain, ie 22.5 tithi remain, which means 7.5 > tithis elapsed. Hence it was ashtami. > > Please redo your book, it is based on wrong secondary sources. Such > errors occur often. I honour the sincerity of your efforts, and hope > that you may be able to give something valuable to us all. > > -VJ > ============= ============= ============= > , " prafulla Vaman > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunilji > > Mahabharata war was faught on alternate days except for 2 days. > > This is alrady proved by Late G.V.Kavishwar in his Marathi > > book " Mahabharatatil Gudh Rahasye'(which means Mysteries in > > Mahabharata)He has given in detail what happened on every day > > including rest days.So I do not have to prove it again. > > secondly, Bhishma cearly said on 58 th night that Shukla paksha > > was about to end and Magha(as per Pounimant method) was about to > > start.This night was Poush Full Moon day/Poush Krishna 1(Magh > > Krishna 1 as per Noth Indian custom).But he did not die on this > > 58 th night.He died on Magh Shukla 8. > > Prafulla > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > > > I agree with you. Moreover the war did not take place on the > > alternate days as Prafulla thinks It took place daily and Bhishma > > spent 58 nights on the bed of arrows. > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@> > > > Re: Mahabharata > > > > > > Friday, January 9, 2009, 1:23 AM > > > > > > Thanks for your answer, Prafulla jee. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am busy in updating my software. You can look at > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Lord+Krishna for one of > > the many > > > > > > possible dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not hold to any fixed view , but I believe the main MBh War > > must > > > > > > be placed 56 days befor Uttarayana, which could not be possible in > > BC > > > > > > 3102. Hence we must go earlier dates, not later as you are doing, > > > > > > because the battle took place in Dwapar Age according to all > > acnient > > > > > > authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > I differ from your view of Lord Krishna not beong able to fight > > after > > > > > > 80. You do not belong to JNU brand, but you do not recognize the > > power > > > > > > of Lord Krishna either. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have firm proofs of the fact that Veda Vyasa jee used > > > > > > Suryadiddhanta. Hence it is not proper to use modern astronomy in > > > > > > evaluating MBh and Puranas. If you want Suryadiddhantic software > > > > > > (freely) for your researches, you can download it from > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Software+ Download > > > > > > > > > > > > But you are free to have your views. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prafulla Vaman > > > > > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji > > > > > > > I am avoiding anybody. > > > > > > > I think that the discussion about date of Mahabharata may > > > > > > > become endless and I do not wish to indulge in it. > > > > > > > also my father in law exipred on 7th.So I will not able to > > discuss > > > > > > > for some days. > > > > > > > But I do not wish to leave any questions regarding my book > > > > > > > unaswered. Therefore I am trying to clear doubts raised by some > > > > > > > members. > > > > > > > 1) I have no connection with JNU and I do not know about their > > > > > > > findings.So I do notwish to comment on it.I will give information > > > > > > > about my book only. > > > > > > > 2) Some members have raised question about age of ShriKrishna > > > > > > > at the time of war. > > > > > > > I have not calculated so far.But in future I will find date of > > > > > > > birth of ShriKrishna (from reference in Mahabharata. ) > > > > > > > I think Mahabharata is more reliable because in Puranas,some > > > > > > > matter was added in 1901BC(e.g. Kaliyug was extended from > > 1200years > > > > > > > to 4,32,000 years)I do not think that Krishna and others were > > > > > > > very old.Nobody can fight after 80 years. > > > > > > > 3)Bhishma died on 16/17 Dec 3008BC,Magha Shuka 8,when moon was in > > > > > > > Rohini. > > > > > > > Please note that 10 th Sept 3008BC was Kartik Krishna 13. > > > > > > > After that there was additional Kartik month.In those > > > > > > > days ,additional month was taken after 30 months.So 16/17 Dec was > > > > > > > Magh Shukla 8.If we take months as per Pournimant method,(as is > > > > > > > custom in North) then we do not have to take additional month. > > > > > > > Also pl note that at present winter solastice year is > > 365.24274049 > > > > > > > days which is longer than average euinox year(365.2422days) > > > > > > > Also it changes every year. > > > > > > > Therefore by calculation, winter solastice day in 3008BC was > > > > > > > 16/17 Dec (not 21 Dec as now). > > > > > > > war was faught on alternate days except after Jayadratha fell > > > > > > > and after Shalya fell. > > > > > > > War ended on 14 Oct ,Margashirsha Shukla 4,Shravan.(When Balram > > also > > > > > > > returned on 42 th day from piligrim) > > > > > > > Bhishma fell on 10 th day(of war) i.e. on 28 th sept. > > > > > > > After 58 nights,on 24 Nov,Poush full moon day,he said that > > > > > > > Magh(as per Pournimant method) was about to start. > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " vinayjhaa16 " > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla jee, > > > > > > > > Why you cannot discuss at least a few points with us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are avoiding me; but why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " prafulla > > Vaman > > > > > > > > Mendki " <prafulla_mendki@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji > > > > > > > > > Your opinion about Mahabharata war is only 138 years bfore my > > > > > > > > > year.The difference of opinion is not much. > > > > > > > > > But still there are many authers who are spreading wrong > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > among Indian readers. > > > > > > > > > e.g. At present I am reading a book about " Aryans " which is > > > > > > > > > published in May 2008. > > > > > > > > > It clearly makes statements like " Rugved was written in > > 1500BC > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > 2000BC " .It says that Indra faught war in this period. > > > > > > > > > It describes ancient Indian History from 10000BC.But there is > > > > > > > > > not a single word about Ramayana or Mahabharata. > > > > > > > > > I have seen many such books. > > > > > > > > > These authers are still living in British slavery. > > > > > > > > > Who will criticise them? > > > > > > > > > When the Govt. itself says that there is no proof of Ramayana > > > > > > > > > what we can expect? > > > > > > > > > Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Dear Shri Prafulla,Mahabharata war did not take place on alternate days. Prof. Kavishwar had not proved it. Hewaswrong. He only imagined it to be so to explain his dates. Years ago I had argument with him when he retired to Indore / Bhopal and he had no answer.Bhishma very clearly said that 58 nightswere over, on the bed of arrows, and one-third of the (Krishna) paksha still remained to become Shukla paksha. Please read the Sanskrit verse in the Mahabharata. On Bhismashtami his Adyashraddha was performed (and his soul got released and went to the world of Vasus). In several parts of India people perform Bhishma Tarpana on Bhishmashtami day, even now.Best wishes,Sunil Kumar Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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