Re:gajakesariyoga .. sai

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Dear Madam i could see many peopleincluding my father in law father etc and friends and relatives having perfect text book yogas without defunc however there are nowhere near the results given forthe yogas millions born same time and place how many realise such yogas astrologers mostly attribute good yogas when they become vips and if does not work finding negative yogas in the same hors. and highlight same jupiter stays for more than a year and moon contact in 4,7,10 many times and create yogas for millions and millions of people in world and very very few are vips millions live very very ordinary lifeseven in any calamilities in world only only common rickshaw puller fruit vender innocent poor people only gets in to eternal loss and trouble however we could see many such yogas in these people horoscope also

twins for example in most familiesw lead entirely different life styles ande not a concretre universally acceptable rules framed to analyse and convince and to adopt in same line for othersif everything runs as expected in astrological frame work in human lives in day to day affairs as boasted by many astrologers and tv medias advertisemnt for pariharams etc nothing will move many will avoid and postpone their efforts if these are sure of becomeing rich or poor or dying at one stage where is the role for efforts in livesat the end if known of background we can trace yogas suited to them and fix if not known can beat around bush and give evasive lenthly replies for such horoscopes however cannot rule out astrology as we see most unexpectedthings happen good or bad but can analyse for self and keep searching good and bad events to come good events can be expected if i am able to know what i am today 15

to 20 years back my attitude and behaviour in life shall be completely different many parents try for marriage beween 25 to 30 however it gets delayed for years more can any astrologer declare to eagerly parents at 25 that yrchild will get married at onkly 32 (which happend in my life ) y will not get child , y will die at 30 years y wont get job etc etc how can be assure individulas predictions rarely works and mostly fails thank y with regards --- On Fri, 2/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: A new year thought!!! Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 10:15 PM

 

Dear Venkatesh ji and group,Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from the classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga given the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of understanding about the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the points which could lead to better understanding are:

What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct?Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA?What is Kesari Yoga?What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are yuti, samsaptam or in angles?

I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above.RegardsNeelam

 

 

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Dear Sairaman ji,

Its a pleasure to receive your mail after 2-3 centuries.

// predictions rarely works and mostly fails //

Prediction mostly comes out right with those who know how to predict, and mostly fails with those who are imposters.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:>> Dear Madam i could see many peopleincluding my father in law father etc and friends and relatives having perfect text book yogas without defunc however there are nowhere near the results given forthe yogas > > millions born same time and place how many realise such yogas > > astrologers mostly attribute good yogas when they become vips and if does not work finding negative yogas in the same hors. and highlight same > > jupiter stays for more than a year and moon contact in 4,7,10 many times and create yogas for millions and millions of people in world and very very few are vips millions live very very ordinary lifes> even in any calamilities in world only only common rickshaw puller fruit vender innocent poor people only gets in to eternal loss and trouble > > however we could see many such yogas in these people horoscope also > > twins for example in most familiesw lead entirely different life styles > ande not a concretre universally acceptable rules framed to analyse and convince and to adopt in same line for others> > if everything runs as expected in astrological frame work in human lives in day to day affairs as boasted by many astrologers and tv medias advertisemnt for pariharams etc nothing will move many will avoid and postpone their efforts if these are sure of becomeing rich or poor or dying at one stage where is the role for efforts in lives> > at the end if known of background we can trace yogas suited to them and fix if not known can beat around bush and give evasive lenthly replies for such horoscopes > > however cannot rule out astrology as we see most unexpectedthings happen good or bad > but can analyse for self and keep searching good and bad events to come good events can be expected > > if i am able to know what i am today 15 to 20 years back my attitude and behaviour in life shall be completely different > > many parents try for marriage beween 25 to 30 however it gets delayed for years more can any astrologer declare to eagerly parents at 25 that yrchild will get married at onkly 32 (which happend in my life ) y will not get child , y will die at 30 years y wont get job etc etc > how can be assure individulas > > predictions rarely works and mostly fails > > thank y with regards > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> neelam gupta neelamgupta07 Re: A new year thought!!!> > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 10:15 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh ji and group,> > Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from the classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga given the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of understanding about the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the points which could lead to better understanding are:> > > What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct?> Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA?> What is Kesari Yoga?> What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are yuti, samsaptam or in angles?> > > I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above.> > Regards> Neelam> >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Go to http://in.webmessenger./>

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Dear Sairam ji,This is precisely what I am trying to bring out. Either the Yoga has no meaning or our understanding about the yoga and its results is faulty. Could you please give us the details of some of the 'perfect GKYs " as you say, with your comments on the native.

RegardsNeelam

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Dear Neelamji,

 

I understand that this yoga has to be interpreted carefully. If a housewife has this yoga then her husband is benefitted by this and benefit comes to her indirectly and not directly.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Fri, 1/2/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re:gajakesariyoga .. sai Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:16 AM

 

 

Dear Sairam ji,This is precisely what I am trying to bring out. Either the Yoga has no meaning or our understanding about the yoga and its results is faulty. Could you please give us the details of some of the 'perfect GKYs" as you say, with your comments on the native.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Sunilji,

 

//If a housewife has this yoga then her husband is benefitted by this

and benefit comes to her indirectly and not directly.//

 

Why would this be? Yogas should manifest without any discrimination.

If the kalatrabhava is involved, then maybe the husband will be

benefitted. In many families, the wife is religious, her man is not.

GKY need not give riches to a person, however the person will have a

spiritual inclination at the appropriate dasha periods,depending on

the strength of the yoga, can have a lasting fame.

 

In my opinion, 85% of indians in US exhibit GKY, because they

automatically become spiritual due to the depressing life. You see

most people are famous in their local counties, temple activities,

fund-raising for spiritual work etc. This includes also women.

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

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Dear Bhagavathiji,

 

Yes, I agree with you in general. At times the housewife may not have scope to show her talents. I think my statement needs correction. Instead of saying "not directly' it should probably be "even when direct benefits are not always appreciable".

 

My wife had Gajakesari yoga and she was very honest and brutally frank and truthful. She was not conventionally spiritual but fasted every monday without fail. She was Saraswat Brahmin from Mumbai and I was from Assam. She was a doctor in a civil hospital and after marriage she resigned her job for the sake of the family. We met in Mumbai and it was a sort of love at first sight. After 38 years of being together she passed away four years ago. I always felt that her Gajakesari yoga protected me.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

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Dear Sairam nat,

I fully agree with you what you have writer. How ever you have exaggerated the

views. The astrology is the only science which predicts time. It show

probabilities, or tendencies not determined. The native has free will power

though tied with the stumps. He has power to improve upon his kriyamana karma.

It is only a guide for the learned people. So take astrology as a guide.

Love and regards

--- On Fri, 1/2/09, sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:

 

sairam nat <sairaman53

Re:gajakesariyoga .. sai

 

Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:37 PM

 

 

Dear Madam i could see many peopleincluding my father in law father etc and

friends and relatives having perfect text book yogas without defunc however

there are nowhere near the results given forthe yogas

 

millions born same time and place how many realise such yogas

 

astrologers mostly attribute good yogas when they become vips and if does not

work finding negative yogas in the same hors. and highlight same

 

jupiter stays for more than a year and moon contact in 4,7,10 many times and

create yogas for millions and millions of people in world and very very few are

vips millions live very very ordinary lifes

even in any calamilities in world only only common rickshaw puller fruit vender

innocent poor people only gets in to eternal loss and trouble

 

however we could see many such yogas in these people horoscope  also

 

twins for example in most familiesw lead entirely different life styles

ande not a concretre universally acceptable rules framed to analyse and convince

and to adopt in same line for others

 

if everything runs as expected in astrological frame work in human  lives in day

to day affairs as boasted by many astrologers and tv medias advertisemnt for

pariharams etc nothing will move many will avoid and postpone their efforts if

these are sure of becomeing rich or poor or dying at one stage where is the role

for efforts in lives

 

at the end if known of background we can trace yogas suited to them and fix if

not known can beat around bush and give evasive lenthly replies for such

horoscopes

 

however cannot rule out astrology as we see most unexpectedthings happen good or

bad

but can analyse for self and keep searching good and bad events to come good

events can be expected

 

if i am able to know what i am today 15 to 20 years back my attitude and

behaviour in life shall be completely different

 

many parents try for marriage beween 25 to 30 however it gets delayed for years

more can any astrologer declare to eagerly parents at 25 that yrchild will get

married at onkly 32 (which happend in my life ) y will not get child , y will

die at 30 years y wont get job etc etc

how can be assure individulas

 

predictions rarely works and mostly fails

 

thank y with regards

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 2/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!

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Friday, 2 January, 2009, 10:15 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Venkatesh ji and group,

 

Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often

proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from the

classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga given

the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of understanding about

the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the points which could lead to

better understanding are:

 

What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct?

Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA?

What is Kesari Yoga?

What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are

yuti, samsaptam or in angles?

 

I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

 

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Dear All,I am quoting from one of KNR's article about the GkY. Those who are interested can get further insight and form their own opinions on the efficacy of this yoga. // GajaKesari Yoga: An Unorthodox View (KNR)

Gajakesari Yoga done mechanically, astrology is more of a disaster than a boon for a majority of astrologers. In the books of jyotisha written by many writers, including Dr. Raman many decades ago, a lopsided view of Yogas has been taken. The commonest and the most misapplied yoga is the Gajakesari Yoga which is seen in the horoscopes of nearly one-third human beings. This yoga which is said to increase the span of life of a human being, give him fame and an idealism not to be seen in others, has been always interpreted loosely. It is necessary a fuller view, when this Yoga is only protective, it being a good Yoga but weakly and when strongly. Then the full benefits of this Yoga are available only under certain conditions. 13 Case Studies, one example for each Lagna. An excellent analysis of Gajakesari Yoga.

Jupiter, we know is the planet of ideals. Being the Guru of gods. In a Gajakesari Yoga such idealism should blossom out. Does it happen always? The author remembers Anand Sing about whom he wrote in his book Astrological Journey Through History, Mystery and Horoscopes and refers to his sense of humor. He had said once that in Kaliyuga it is Rahu and Saturn which give better results because of the influence of the age and not Jupiter. One may pose many questions:

· What is the type of idealism which Jupiter can give in the materialistic and permissive societies of the west?· What is the significance of, if at all, of Jupiter for the materialistic and permissive societies of the west ?

· Remembering Anand Sing and his sense of Humor, should one forget Jupiter's classical role as an idealist in the materialistic and permissive societies of twentieth century?· Where is idealism left in Indian life where rampant corruption and materialism have now come to dominate the social life in the last two decades?//

We should now first actually decide how is GKY formed? The parashari GKY, or kesari yoga from phaldeepika or the commonly accepted 'jup-moon in kendra'?Let us continue the probe...RegardsNeelam

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Dear Neelamji & Bhaskarji

 

Thank you so much for so much insight into Gajakesari Yoga. The KNR article you mentioned seems to exemplify the questions i had in mind when i put forth my questions on the Yoga and its efficacy.

 

In the native i mentioned - yes its the 'idealism' that is clearly visible and permeated and time and again it is PROVIDENCE or DIVINE GRACE that rescues him from clutches of errors he makes in the mundane world ( these are errors because in the world condition that is - so aptly described in the KNR article you pointed); from a conscientitious perspective the thoughts are right.

 

Dear Bhaskarji - thanks once again for you setting my perspective right on Arjuna 's dilema in the midst of Dharmakshetra/Kurukshetra.

 

JAI SHRI KRISHNA

 

Venkateshwar--- On Sat, 1/3/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re:gajakesariyoga .. sai Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 4:13 AM

 

 

Dear All,I am quoting from one of KNR's article about the GkY. Those who are interested can get further insight and form their own opinions on the efficacy of this yoga. // GajaKesari Yoga: An Unorthodox View (KNR)Gajakesari Yoga done mechanically, astrology is more of a disaster than a boon for a majority of astrologers. In the books of jyotisha written by many writers, including Dr. Raman many decades ago, a lopsided view of Yogas has been taken. The commonest and the most misapplied yoga is the Gajakesari Yoga which is seen in the horoscopes of nearly one-third human beings. This yoga which is said to increase the span of life of a human being, give him fame and an idealism not to be seen in others, has been always interpreted loosely. It is necessary a fuller view, when this Yoga is only protective, it being a good Yoga but weakly and when strongly. Then the full benefits of this Yoga are available only under certain

conditions. 13 Case Studies, one example for each Lagna. An excellent analysis of Gajakesari Yoga.Jupiter, we know is the planet of ideals. Being the Guru of gods. In a Gajakesari Yoga such idealism should blossom out. Does it happen always? The author remembers Anand Sing about whom he wrote in his book Astrological Journey Through History, Mystery and Horoscopes and refers to his sense of humor. He had said once that in Kaliyuga it is Rahu and Saturn which give better results because of the influence of the age and not Jupiter. One may pose many questions:· What is the type of idealism which Jupiter can give in the materialistic and permissive societies of the west?· What is the significance of, if at all, of Jupiter for the materialistic and permissive societies of the west ?· Remembering Anand Sing and his sense of Humor, should one forget Jupiter's classical role as an idealist in the materialistic and permissive

societies of twentieth century?· Where is idealism left in Indian life where rampant corruption and materialism have now come to dominate the social life in the last two decades?//We should now first actually decide how is GKY formed? The parashari GKY, or kesari yoga from phaldeepika or the commonly accepted 'jup-moon in kendra'?Let us continue the probe...RegardsNeelam

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Dear Sairam nat ji,Your three WHYs... prompted me to cast the charts for the dates given by you.1) Father: 15.11.1924 (gem lagna) 2) Father in law: 29.4.1925 (leo lagna) 3) Wife: 10.3.1959 (cancer lagna)

There might be a mistake, but as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, 1 and 3 do not have any GKY. Pls. clarify.Only second qualifies for the yoga from Chandra lagna. But as we all understand, one yoga is not be all and end all. The major problem with this chart is the empty kendras. There is nothing to sustain when pillars are weak. People with empty kendras are seen to have major ups and downs and generally more difficult life with advancing age. A careful study would reveal the real problems.

RegardsNeelam