Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 HAPPY NEW YEAR Greetings to all. I 've joined the group yesterday. Not sure what the current thread of discussion is on. Going thru this email am guessing the discussion around Guru ( Jupiter). Have a question below - will appreciate clarifications and illumination in this regard. If Lagan - is Simha - then Lord of 5 and 8 being Jupiter is in Kumbha with Moon ( Chandra Rashi) - in Gajakesari Yoga - what are implications in terms of the Yoga benefits/potential is following are some other related positions: Sani ( lord of Kumbha) in Makara as retrograde with Ketu Rahu with Sukra in Moon's house Kataka ( 12th from Simha Lagna). a) Will the native be an idealist ( less of a practical person) as Jupiter aspects Lagna and occupies Sani's house. b) also what's the implication of Lord of 8 being in 7th ( house owened by Sani) ? Does that impact longevity of the native ie reduce lifespan by some extent ? c) also does Ketu in conjunction with Saturn - the owner of 7th aspecting Sukra who is in moon's house and lord of 10th ( profession) have a bearing on self-confidence in matters related to professions/job/career ? Thanks Venkateshwar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dear Bhagavati ji, From the Root (Moola Nakshatra and Sagetterious) Sun is the 9th lord. So I wonder whether it is just Bhavam or Bhavat Bhavam. Any way the significator of soul (Guru within) and Siva (Paramacharya) is Sun and therefore it is just natural that Sun is the significator of Guru (Teacher). As per Mihira Sun is the significator of Son as well, as naturally indicated by Sun's 5th lordship. Jupiter as the significator of conciousness (Prajna) and being the Deva guru (Brihaspati) is naturally the significator of Guru (Teacher). Jupiter is Male, of Beeja (sperm) of conciousness, of Guru-Sishya continuety, of Parampara and naturally becomes the significator of children (especially son) it seems. Thanks for sharing an innovative thought. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:> > Dear astro members, > > A thought just occured to me. In the natural zodiac Sun is the lord of > the 5th house and jupiter is the lord of the 9th house. Then why is Sun > the significator of 9th house and Jupiter the significator of 5th > house. Bhavatbhavam in natural zodiac? > > Happy new year to all > bhagavathi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dear Bhagavati ji,This is of course very interesting. 5-9 houses of a chart have a very special relationship being the bhavat bhavam or sookshm houses for each other and understandably so. More interesting is that from 5th from 5th is ruled by its significator Jupiter and 9th from 9H is ruled by its significator Sun. Thereby showing the support obtained through the bhavat bhavam. This is quite significant as the father-self-son is the cycle of procreation and cosmogenesis. A unique natural compatibility is thereby ensured in the process. While the above concept is important, bhavesh and karak relationship also has a different perspective.The zodiac signs, houses and their lordships portray the progressive primary impulses that carry the soul forward on its journey to self realisation and ultimate merger into the source. The various zodiacal signs also represent different qualities which the native imbibes gradually during the course of his evolution. Each sign, takes the soul a step ahead on this path. The signs also denote the earthly stroll that a native takes after his birth. Thus starting from the birth, each house and sign denotes a part of the life cycle. The 27 asterisms also join in the scheme for psychological transmutations in different signs. When the ego comes to magha or 5H, it is individualised as human being but is wrapped under ahamkara, avidya and abhimana and is encased in materialism oblivious of its divine self. Here it is governed by Sun. From Moola or 9H, the process of self-realisation is actuated by the nourishing and nurturing of the soul through the lessons of righteousness and dharma. In this sense, the house lords (here sun and jup) are primarily functioning to protect and promote what the house stands for. The sthir karakas as we know are of two types, one for the bhavas and the other for traits/actions/processes. Karakas are supposed to be the 'role models' advising us to follow the path of the karaka to ensure that we prosper in activities related to that house/ signification. e.g. mars as karaka for 3H indicates energy and valour, though house lord mercury has a different domain in physical aspects. As a karaka for brothers also, mars is what our brothers, like arms, should be. Similarly, for 9H we can say that SUN is what father should be like or Jupiter is how a son should grow to be. Since each house denotes many different things, besides one karaka for house, we may also need to check the significator for a particular trait under consideration. E.g Jupiter is karaka for 5H and sons, but 5H is also for creativity so a look at venus becomes mandatory. 5H is also for speculation, so mercury would have a role. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dear Sreenadhji, // From the Root (Moola Nakshatra and Sagetterious) Sun is the 9th lord. So I wonder whether it is just Bhavam or Bhavat Bhavam.// If we consider form the root,the sun may be ok but jupiter is not the 5th lord from there //As per Mihira Sun is the significator of Son as well, as naturally indicated by Sun's 5th lordship// This is good information for me. For calculating Bheeja sphuta, we use longitudes of both sun and jupiter. We consider 9th house for father. So Jupiter can be a significator of father also. These are only some of my research views. Thank you for your message Regards, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dear neelamji, //5-9 houses of a chart have a very special relationship being the bhavat bhavam or sookshm houses for each other and understandably so. More interesting is that from 5th from 5th is ruled by its significator Jupiter and 9th from 9H is ruled by its significator Sun. Thereby showing the support obtained through the bhavat bhavam.// Thank you for the nice writeup. This will help me a lot in further addressing this. Regards, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dear Venkateshwar ji,Except the traits given by Leo lagna, one cannot say anything else with surety unless position of lagna lord is known. It appears that LL sun is in 11H in Gemini and 9L mars is swagrahi in 9H. Both lagna and LL are aspected by Jupiter. Leo lagna aspected by 5L/8L Jupiter makes the native satwik and religious. LL in 11H also gives him good gains as bhagya is also good. Overall the person will be comfortable and holding good social position and assets. He might also be strong and good looking. Your doubts are almost answered by yourself. For further details, it is important to have the full chart with correct BT so that amsha, other vargas, etc can be drawn. No yoga can be studied with an incomplete chart and without the dasha pattern obtained by the native. There are pointers on marital/relationship issues/problems as 7H is afflicted with 8L and 12L, 7L in 6H, retrograde in R/K axis, venus afflicted in 12H with R/K, mars and Saturn. But nothing conclusive can be said without details. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Neelamji Thanks for your analysis; yes Lord of 9 Mars is in 9th - Mesha; and Surya is in 11th Gemini. The particulars: June 23 1962 - Male; place: Bombay, India and time : 11.45 am. You have opened up the channel of understanding. Thanks Venkatesh--- On Thu, 1/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: A new year thought!!! Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:08 AM Dear Venkateshwar ji,Except the traits given by Leo lagna, one cannot say anything else with surety unless position of lagna lord is known. It appears that LL sun is in 11H in Gemini and 9L mars is swagrahi in 9H. Both lagna and LL are aspected by Jupiter. Leo lagna aspected by 5L/8L Jupiter makes the native satwik and religious. LL in 11H also gives him good gains as bhagya is also good. Overall the person will be comfortable and holding good social position and assets. He might also be strong and good looking. Your doubts are almost answered by yourself. For further details, it is important to have the full chart with correct BT so that amsha, other vargas, etc can be drawn. No yoga can be studied with an incomplete chart and without the dasha pattern obtained by the native. There are pointers on marital/relationshi p issues/problems as 7H is afflicted with 8L and 12L, 7L in 6H, retrograde in R/K axis, venus afflicted in 12H with R/K, mars and Saturn. But nothing conclusive can be said without details. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Venkatesh ji and group,Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from the classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga given the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of understanding about the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the points which could lead to better understanding are: What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct?Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA?What is Kesari Yoga?What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are yuti, samsaptam or in angles? I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Good observation. It apparently seems that you have not read any of my posts on this previously. Gajkesari has to be checked from Natal Chart strictly, and then again double strictly to be confirmed from the Bhava Chalit, whether Jupiter or The Moon have not changed their houses in the Bhava Chalita. If they have, then the GK Yoga becomes defunct. As soon as they leave their Kendra positions from the Bhava Chalita, then forget the GK Yoga. ( In fact all Yogas must be checked so ). best wishes, Bhaskar. , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Venkatesh ji and group,> > Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often> proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from> the classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga> given the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of> understanding about the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the> points which could lead to better understanding are:> > What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct?> Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA?> What is Kesari Yoga?> What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are> yuti, samsaptam or in angles?> > I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Thank you Bhaskar ji for sharing your views. With many other conditions, it is also said that Jupiter and moon forming this yoga should also be in kendra to ascendant/moon. Do you agree with this?There is one translation of BPHS which says: Gaj Kesari Yoga is formed when Guru is in a Kendra from Lagna or from Chandra, and be yuti with, or receiving a Drishti from benefic, avoiding at the same time debilitation, combustion andinimical Räshi, Gaj Kesari Yog is caused. In the above cases, the GKY formed in other houses will obviously get eliminated?Any comments on why is it called Gajkesari?RegardsNeelam 2009/1/2 Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Dear Neelam ji, Good observation. It apparently seems that you have not read any of my posts on this previously. Gajkesari has to be checked from Natal Chart strictly, and then again double strictly to be confirmed from the Bhava Chalit, whether Jupiter or The Moon have not changed their houses in the Bhava Chalita. If they have, then the GK Yoga becomes defunct. As soon as they leave their Kendra positions from the Bhava Chalita, then forget the GK Yoga. ( In fact all Yogas must be checked so ). best wishes, Bhaskar. , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Venkatesh ji and group, > > Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often> proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from> the classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga > given the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of> understanding about the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the> points which could lead to better understanding are:> > What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct?> Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA?> What is Kesari Yoga?> What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are > yuti, samsaptam or in angles?> > I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Neelam ji Thank you very much for nicely coining the exact questions i had; because Gaj - Kesari - in my understanding mean Elephant - Lion ; i would like to understand the exact few doubts you coined in your email. My dear friend whose dob particulars i earlier sent always would boast about his Gaj Kesari Yog. While he is usually OK and doing well - has a good family children decent livelihood/profession, settled in the US etc - he has always has tended to be an idealist/philosopher/nature lover etc and tends to be less of a pragmatic practical decision maker. Thanks Venkateshwar--- On Fri, 1/2/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: A new year thought!!! Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 8:45 AM Dear Venkatesh ji and group,Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from the classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga given the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of understanding about the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the points which could lead to better understanding are:What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct?Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA?What is Kesari Yoga?What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are yuti, samsaptam or in angles?I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Shri Bhaskar Thanks for your response. I am a still initial learner - hence some questions: a) how do i trace to the thread with your earlier postings regarding Gaj Kesari Yog. b) what is Bhava Chalitha - you mentioned about moon house change in Bhava Chalitha. ? Thanks Venkateshwar--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: A new year thought!!! Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 8:53 AM Dear Neelam ji, Good observation. It apparently seems that you have not read any of my posts on this previously. Gajkesari has to be checked from Natal Chart strictly, and then again double strictly to be confirmed from the Bhava Chalit, whether Jupiter or The Moon have not changed their houses in the Bhava Chalita. If they have, then the GK Yoga becomes defunct. As soon as they leave their Kendra positions from the Bhava Chalita, then forget the GK Yoga. ( In fact all Yogas must be checked so ). best wishes, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Venkatesh ji and group,> > Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often> proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from> the classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga> given the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of> understanding about the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the> points which could lead to better understanding are:> > What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct?> Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA?> What is Kesari Yoga?> What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are> yuti, samsaptam or in angles?> > I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Neelamji and Bhaskar ji In the birth particulars i gave - does the native's Gaj Kesari gets reduced. I heard that a clean Gaj Kesari Yoga cancells all negatives; maybe that is an over-generalisation. Would you say Guru being Lord of 8 in Kumbha ( Saturn's house) and Saturn being retorgrade in 6th ( Makara) with Ketu and the impenidning Rah/Ketu axis - Rahu/Sukra in 12th ( in Kataka) all contribute to reduction of the yoga. Clearly in this case - i know the native - he is otherwise a bright, brilliant , philosophical person - whose self-doubt, lack of self-confidence in himself often tears him apart especially related to jobs and relationships. However , the blessing he has - possibly an attribute indicated by Gaja Kesari Yoga - no matter how short-tempered he maybe , people always treat him with respect and regard him as a noble person. Kind Regards Venkateshwar--- On Thu, 1/1/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 wrote: venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23Re: A new year thought!!! Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:00 PM Dear Neelamji Thanks for your analysis; yes Lord of 9 Mars is in 9th - Mesha; and Surya is in 11th Gemini. The particulars: June 23 1962 - Male; place: Bombay, India and time : 11.45 am. You have opened up the channel of understanding. Thanks Venkatesh--- On Thu, 1/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: A new year thought!!! Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:08 AM Dear Venkateshwar ji,Except the traits given by Leo lagna, one cannot say anything else with surety unless position of lagna lord is known. It appears that LL sun is in 11H in Gemini and 9L mars is swagrahi in 9H. Both lagna and LL are aspected by Jupiter. Leo lagna aspected by 5L/8L Jupiter makes the native satwik and religious. LL in 11H also gives him good gains as bhagya is also good. Overall the person will be comfortable and holding good social position and assets. He might also be strong and good looking. Your doubts are almost answered by yourself. For further details, it is important to have the full chart with correct BT so that amsha, other vargas, etc can be drawn. No yoga can be studied with an incomplete chart and without the dasha pattern obtained by the native. There are pointers on marital/relationshi p issues/problems as 7H is afflicted with 8L and 12L, 7L in 6H, retrograde in R/K axis, venus afflicted in 12H with R/K, mars and Saturn. But nothing conclusive can be said without details. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 One last point - i often find that this person is like the 'Arjuna' in the battlefield who is shivering, and in self-doubt about his incapacity and is in need of the Lord Krishna as in the Bhagwad Geetha to inspire him into the field of action. So is the Rahu/Ketu axis with Saturn /Venus in the houses in relation with Guru/Chandra indicators of such a vacilaation of purpsose versus action. Will be thankful for comments by learned members of the forum.--- On Fri, 1/2/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 wrote: venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23Re: A new year thought!!! Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:26 AM Dear Neelamji and Bhaskar ji In the birth particulars i gave - does the native's Gaj Kesari gets reduced. I heard that a clean Gaj Kesari Yoga cancells all negatives; maybe that is an over-generalisation . Would you say Guru being Lord of 8 in Kumbha ( Saturn's house) and Saturn being retorgrade in 6th ( Makara) with Ketu and the impenidning Rah/Ketu axis - Rahu/Sukra in 12th ( in Kataka) all contribute to reduction of the yoga. Clearly in this case - i know the native - he is otherwise a bright, brilliant , philosophical person - whose self-doubt, lack of self-confidence in himself often tears him apart especially related to jobs and relationships. However , the blessing he has - possibly an attribute indicated by Gaja Kesari Yoga - no matter how short-tempered he maybe , people always treat him with respect and regard him as a noble person. Kind Regards Venkateshwar--- On Thu, 1/1/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 > wrote: venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, January 1, 2009, 3:00 PM Dear Neelamji Thanks for your analysis; yes Lord of 9 Mars is in 9th - Mesha; and Surya is in 11th Gemini. The particulars: June 23 1962 - Male; place: Bombay, India and time : 11.45 am. You have opened up the channel of understanding. Thanks Venkatesh--- On Thu, 1/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, January 1, 2009, 10:08 AM Dear Venkateshwar ji,Except the traits given by Leo lagna, one cannot say anything else with surety unless position of lagna lord is known. It appears that LL sun is in 11H in Gemini and 9L mars is swagrahi in 9H. Both lagna and LL are aspected by Jupiter. Leo lagna aspected by 5L/8L Jupiter makes the native satwik and religious. LL in 11H also gives him good gains as bhagya is also good. Overall the person will be comfortable and holding good social position and assets. He might also be strong and good looking. Your doubts are almost answered by yourself. For further details, it is important to have the full chart with correct BT so that amsha, other vargas, etc can be drawn. No yoga can be studied with an incomplete chart and without the dasha pattern obtained by the native. There are pointers on marital/relationshi p issues/problems as 7H is afflicted with 8L and 12L, 7L in 6H, retrograde in R/K axis, venus afflicted in 12H with R/K, mars and Saturn. But nothing conclusive can be said without details. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Venkateshwarr ji, Any good software would give you the positions of the planets in Bhava Chalita, including J.Hora. My earlier postings regarding Gajkesari would contain the same facts mentioned in this recent post. Facts do not change. Never. best regards, Bhaskar. , venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 wrote: > > Dear Shri Bhaskar > > Thanks for your response. I am a still initial learner - hence some questions: > > a) how do i trace to the thread with your earlier postings regarding Gaj Kesari Yog. > b) what is Bhava Chalitha - you mentioned about moon house change in Bhava Chalitha. ? > > Thanks > Venkateshwar > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote: > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises > Re: A new year thought!!! > > Friday, January 2, 2009, 8:53 AM > Dear Neelam ji, > Good observation. > It apparently seems that you have not read any of my posts on this previously. Gajkesari has to be checked from Natal Chart strictly, and then again double strictly to be confirmed from the Bhava Chalit, whether Jupiter or The Moon have not changed their houses in the Bhava Chalita. If they have, then the GK Yoga becomes defunct. As soon as they leave their Kendra positions from the Bhava Chalita, then forget the GK Yoga. ( In fact all Yogas must be checked so ). > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Venkatesh ji and group, > > > > Gaj Kesari Yoga is one of the fancy embellishments in the chart and is often > > proudly displayed and projected by the owner. If we deviate slightly from > > the classic definition (as we normally do), GKY is also the most common yoga > > given the fast movement of Moon. There is, obviously, some lack of > > understanding about the formation and results of this yoga. Some of the > > points which could lead to better understanding are: > > > > What are the conditions for GKY and what makes it defunct? > > Why is it called GAJ KESARI YOGA? > > What is Kesari Yoga? > > What difference do we notice in the results of GKY when Jupiter and moon are > > yuti, samsaptam or in angles? > > > > I would appreciate if learned members can share their views on the above. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Sirs, I am not aware of which native are you talking about. I am just talking of the Gaj kesari manifesting in ones chart. regards, Bhaskar. , venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 wrote: > > Dear Neelamji and Bhaskar ji > > In the birth particulars i gave - does the native's Gaj Kesari gets reduced. > > I heard that a clean Gaj Kesari Yoga cancells all negatives; maybe that is an over-generalisation. > > Would you say Guru being Lord of 8 in Kumbha ( Saturn's house) and Saturn being retorgrade in 6th ( Makara) with Ketu and the impenidning Rah/Ketu axis - Rahu/Sukra in 12th ( in Kataka) all contribute to reduction of the yoga. > > Clearly in this case - i know the native - he is otherwise a bright, brilliant , philosophical person - whose self-doubt, lack of self-confidence in himself often tears him apart especially related to jobs and relationships. > > However , the blessing he has - possibly an attribute indicated by Gaja Kesari Yoga - no matter how short-tempered he maybe , people always treat him with respect and regard him as a noble person. > > Kind Regards > Venkateshwar > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 wrote: > > venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 > Re: A new year thought!!! > > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:00 PM > Dear Neelamji > > Thanks for your analysis; yes Lord of 9 Mars is in 9th - Mesha; and Surya is in 11th Gemini. > > The particulars: June 23 1962 - Male; place: Bombay, India and time : 11.45 am. > > You have opened up the channel of understanding. > > Thanks > Venkatesh > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote: > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > Re: A new year thought!!! > > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:08 AM Dear Venkateshwar ji, > > Except the traits given by Leo lagna, one cannot say anything else with surety unless position of lagna lord is known. It appears that LL sun is in 11H in Gemini and 9L mars is swagrahi in 9H. Both lagna and LL are aspected by Jupiter. Leo lagna aspected by 5L/8L Jupiter makes the native satwik and religious. LL in 11H also gives him good gains as bhagya is also good. Overall the person will be comfortable and holding good social position and assets. He might also be strong and good looking. > Your doubts are almost answered by yourself. For further details, it is important to have the full chart with correct BT so that amsha, other vargas, etc can be drawn. No yoga can be studied with an incomplete chart and without the dasha pattern obtained by the native. > There are pointers on marital/relationshi p issues/problems as 7H is afflicted with 8L and 12L, 7L in 6H, retrograde in R/K axis, venus afflicted in 12H with R/K, mars and Saturn. But nothing conclusive can be said without details. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Venkatesh ji,As I told you earlier, your friend has many other good yogas also in his chart, apart from GKY.Benefics in kendras, mahabhagya yoga, LL in 11H, the YK mangal extremely powerful in bhagyasthan, all planets in visible half are some of the good features of the chart. Jupiter aspects lagna, moon and LL which is very good. Aquarius Jupiter in pisces in navamsh making him very philosophical and religious.The gajkesari yoga is also good and he's got its fructification at the prime of his life. The classics say for a GKY in 7H: The person is learned, skilled, a trader, wealthy, and will experience conjugal bliss. The person will have luck and obtain wealth through business partnerships. Jupiter being 8L and moon a s12L do diminish the good results, and as result he has moved out of the country. Jup in inimical sign in 7H creates problems in relationships. But overall it remains aauspicious and gives good results in its dasha. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 My Dear Venkatesh , // One last point - i often find that this person is like the 'Arjuna' in the battlefield who is shivering, and in self-doubt about his incapacity and is in need of the Lord Krishna as in the Bhagwad Geetha to inspire him into the field of action./ Arjuna was never in doubt about his incapacities. In fact he was confident about his capacities to kill his target. He was not shivering but sad and unsure whether he should fight, because on the opposite sides were his Gurus who had taught him the techniques of warfare, and who had blessed him since childhood. Do not compare idiot mortals with the Great ones like Arjuna, and do not have misconceptions about the Great ones , please. Bhaskar. , venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 wrote:>> One last point - i often find that this person is like the 'Arjuna' in the battlefield who is shivering, and in self-doubt about his incapacity and is in need of the Lord Krishna as in the Bhagwad Geetha to inspire him into the field of action.> > So is the Rahu/Ketu axis with Saturn /Venus in the houses in relation with Guru/Chandra indicators of such a vacilaation of purpsose versus action.> > Will be thankful for comments by learned members of the forum.> > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 wrote:> > venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 Re: A new year thought!!!> > Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:26 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji and Bhaskar ji> > In the birth particulars i gave - does the native's Gaj Kesari gets reduced.> > I heard that a clean Gaj Kesari Yoga cancells all negatives; maybe that is an over-generalisation .> > Would you say Guru being Lord of 8 in Kumbha ( Saturn's house) and Saturn being retorgrade in 6th ( Makara) with Ketu and the impenidning Rah/Ketu axis - Rahu/Sukra in 12th ( in Kataka) all contribute to reduction of the yoga.> > Clearly in this case - i know the native - he is otherwise a bright, brilliant , philosophical person - whose self-doubt, lack of self-confidence in himself often tears him apart especially related to jobs and relationships.> > However , the blessing he has - possibly an attribute indicated by Gaja Kesari Yoga - no matter how short-tempered he maybe , people always treat him with respect and regard him as a noble person.> > Kind Regards> Venkateshwar> > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 > wrote:> > venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:00 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji> > Thanks for your analysis; yes Lord of 9 Mars is in 9th - Mesha; and Surya is in 11th Gemini.> > The particulars: June 23 1962 - Male; place: Bombay, India and time : 11.45 am.> > You have opened up the channel of understanding.> > Thanks> Venkatesh> > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:08 AM> > > > > Dear Venkateshwar ji,> > Except the traits given by Leo lagna, one cannot say anything else with surety unless position of lagna lord is known. It appears that LL sun is in 11H in Gemini and 9L mars is swagrahi in 9H. Both lagna and LL are aspected by Jupiter. Leo lagna aspected by 5L/8L Jupiter makes the native satwik and religious. LL in 11H also gives him good gains as bhagya is also good. Overall the person will be comfortable and holding good social position and assets. He might also be strong and good looking. > Your doubts are almost answered by yourself. For further details, it is important to have the full chart with correct BT so that amsha, other vargas, etc can be drawn. No yoga can be studied with an incomplete chart and without the dasha pattern obtained by the native.> There are pointers on marital/relationshi p issues/problems as 7H is afflicted with 8L and 12L, 7L in 6H, retrograde in R/K axis, venus afflicted in 12H with R/K, mars and Saturn. But nothing conclusive can be said without details. > > > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Thank you Bhaskar ji for the correction in my thinking. I was alluding to the fact that the Lord had to propel him into the field of action and Arjuna's dilema. But thanks for correcting the aberration in my metaphorical thought. JAI SHRI KRISHNA. Kind Regards Venkateshwar--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: A new year thought!!! Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:09 AM My Dear Venkatesh , // One last point - i often find that this person is like the 'Arjuna' in the battlefield who is shivering, and in self-doubt about his incapacity and is in need of the Lord Krishna as in the Bhagwad Geetha to inspire him into the field of action./ Arjuna was never in doubt about his incapacities. In fact he was confident about his capacities to kill his target. He was not shivering but sad and unsure whether he should fight, because on the opposite sides were his Gurus who had taught him the techniques of warfare, and who had blessed him since childhood. Do not compare idiot mortals with the Great ones like Arjuna, and do not have misconceptions about the Great ones , please. Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 wrote:>> One last point - i often find that this person is like the 'Arjuna' in the battlefield who is shivering, and in self-doubt about his incapacity and is in need of the Lord Krishna as in the Bhagwad Geetha to inspire him into the field of action.> > So is the Rahu/Ketu axis with Saturn /Venus in the houses in relation with Guru/Chandra indicators of such a vacilaation of purpsose versus action.> > Will be thankful for comments by learned members of the forum.> > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 wrote:> > venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:26 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji and Bhaskar ji> > In the birth particulars i gave - does the native's Gaj Kesari gets reduced.> > I heard that a clean Gaj Kesari Yoga cancells all negatives; maybe that is an over-generalisation .> > Would you say Guru being Lord of 8 in Kumbha ( Saturn's house) and Saturn being retorgrade in 6th ( Makara) with Ketu and the impenidning Rah/Ketu axis - Rahu/Sukra in 12th ( in Kataka) all contribute to reduction of the yoga.> > Clearly in this case - i know the native - he is otherwise a bright, brilliant , philosophical person - whose self-doubt, lack of self-confidence in himself often tears him apart especially related to jobs and relationships.> > However , the blessing he has - possibly an attribute indicated by Gaja Kesari Yoga - no matter how short-tempered he maybe , people always treat him with respect and regard him as a noble person.> > Kind Regards> Venkateshwar> > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 > wrote:> > venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:00 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji> > Thanks for your analysis; yes Lord of 9 Mars is in 9th - Mesha; and Surya is in 11th Gemini.> > The particulars: June 23 1962 - Male; place: Bombay, India and time : 11.45 am.> > You have opened up the channel of understanding.> > Thanks> Venkatesh> > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:08 AM> > > > > Dear Venkateshwar ji,> > Except the traits given by Leo lagna, one cannot say anything else with surety unless position of lagna lord is known. It appears that LL sun is in 11H in Gemini and 9L mars is swagrahi in 9H. Both lagna and LL are aspected by Jupiter. Leo lagna aspected by 5L/8L Jupiter makes the native satwik and religious. LL in 11H also gives him good gains as bhagya is also good. Overall the person will be comfortable and holding good social position and assets. He might also be strong and good looking. > Your doubts are almost answered by yourself. For further details, it is important to have the full chart with correct BT so that amsha, other vargas, etc can be drawn. No yoga can be studied with an incomplete chart and without the dasha pattern obtained by the native.> There are pointers on marital/relationshi p issues/problems as 7H is afflicted with 8L and 12L, 7L in 6H, retrograde in R/K axis, venus afflicted in 12H with R/K, mars and Saturn. But nothing conclusive can be said without details. > > > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Venkatesh ji, Jai Shri Krishna . kind regards, Bhaskar. , venkatesh krishnamoorthy <vkfree23 wrote:>> Thank you Bhaskar ji for the correction in my thinking. > > I was alluding to the fact that the Lord had to propel him into the field of action and Arjuna's dilema. But thanks for correcting the aberration in my metaphorical thought.> > JAI SHRI KRISHNA.> > Kind Regards> Venkateshwar> > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote:> > Bhaskar rajiventerprises Re: A new year thought!!!> > Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:09 AM> > > > > > > > My Dear Venkatesh ,> > > > > > // One last point - i often find that this person is like the 'Arjuna' in the battlefield who is shivering, and in self-doubt about his incapacity and is in need of the Lord Krishna as in the Bhagwad Geetha to inspire him into the field of action./> Arjuna was never in doubt about his incapacities. In fact he was confident about his capacities to kill his target. He was not shivering but sad and unsure whether he should fight, because on the opposite sides were his Gurus who had taught him the techniques of warfare, and who had blessed him since childhood.> Do not compare idiot mortals with the Great ones like Arjuna, and do not have misconceptions about the Great ones , please.> Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23@ wrote:> >> > One last point - i often find that this person is like the 'Arjuna' in the battlefield who is shivering, and in self-doubt about his incapacity and is in need of the Lord Krishna as in the Bhagwad Geetha to inspire him into the field of action.> > > > So is the Rahu/Ketu axis with Saturn /Venus in the houses in relation with Guru/Chandra indicators of such a vacilaation of purpsose versus action.> > > > Will be thankful for comments by learned members of the forum.> > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23@ wrote:> > > > venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23@> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:26 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji and Bhaskar ji> > > > In the birth particulars i gave - does the native's Gaj Kesari gets reduced.> > > > I heard that a clean Gaj Kesari Yoga cancells all negatives; maybe that is an over-generalisation .> > > > Would you say Guru being Lord of 8 in Kumbha ( Saturn's house) and Saturn being retorgrade in 6th ( Makara) with Ketu and the impenidning Rah/Ketu axis - Rahu/Sukra in 12th ( in Kataka) all contribute to reduction of the yoga.> > > > Clearly in this case - i know the native - he is otherwise a bright, brilliant , philosophical person - whose self-doubt, lack of self-confidence in himself often tears him apart especially related to jobs and relationships.> > > > However , the blessing he has - possibly an attribute indicated by Gaja Kesari Yoga - no matter how short-tempered he maybe , people always treat him with respect and regard him as a noble person.> > > > Kind Regards> > Venkateshwar> > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 > wrote:> > > > venkatesh krishnamoorthy vkfree23 >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji> > > > Thanks for your analysis; yes Lord of 9 Mars is in 9th - Mesha; and Surya is in 11th Gemini.> > > > The particulars: June 23 1962 - Male; place: Bombay, India and time : 11.45 am.> > > > You have opened up the channel of understanding.> > > > Thanks> > Venkatesh> > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] A new year thought!!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:08 AM> > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkateshwar ji,> > > > Except the traits given by Leo lagna, one cannot say anything else with surety unless position of lagna lord is known. It appears that LL sun is in 11H in Gemini and 9L mars is swagrahi in 9H. Both lagna and LL are aspected by Jupiter. Leo lagna aspected by 5L/8L Jupiter makes the native satwik and religious. LL in 11H also gives him good gains as bhagya is also good. Overall the person will be comfortable and holding good social position and assets. He might also be strong and good looking. > > Your doubts are almost answered by yourself. For further details, it is important to have the full chart with correct BT so that amsha, other vargas, etc can be drawn. No yoga can be studied with an incomplete chart and without the dasha pattern obtained by the native.> > There are pointers on marital/relationshi p issues/problems as 7H is afflicted with 8L and 12L, 7L in 6H, retrograde in R/K axis, venus afflicted in 12H with R/K, mars and Saturn. But nothing conclusive can be said without details. > > > > > > Regards> > Neelam> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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