Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Dear Sreenadhji, In my view each planet have their Karkatatva and basic characteristics.What they will deliver it will be decided by Ascendant only,as per all parasar's Theories. Result, we are getting by Dasa period of planet and in this each and every planet are involve,as like MD-AD-PD-PD etc.So we can say every planet can give benefice and malefic in common.So that we are telling Astrology is very complex subject after going through all the references and classics many times we feel,we doesn't know anything 'Desh,Kal and Paristithi " is also there to play there role.When a native suffering from very bad ill-health a good Dasa period will give him death.Now we will be in confusion,how a benefice lord causes the death,he give him a benefice result to free, from all pains. Classics give us a basic platform to understand but could not get the result as it is.It is my experience,other may have their view. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Smitha ji, > ==> > > Probably you are saying that it will > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in > > their respective periods. > <== > Yes. There is no planet that is completely benefic or malefic. Every > planet gives both benefic as well as malefic results. It all depends on > the significance (karakatvas) those planets have and the significance > (karakatvas) of Signs and houses that gets piped-through those planets. > This is the very reason for the importance of the basic 7-fold system > (such as deriving result based on Sign-Planet, House-Planet etc) and > lack of importance of the hair splitting related to the too much > generalized functional/natural benefic/malefic concepts etc. > ==> > > That reminds me, my mother passed away in > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?) > <== > * For Scorpio Lagna - 4th house is Aquarius (signifying mother). > Looking from this sign Jupiter is the Maraka lord for 4th house. Moon > is placed in 4th lord's maraka's (i.e. Jupiter's) house, and is placed > in the Maraka house of the native. > * Again looking from 4th house (Aquarius) - Mercury is the 8th lord > (11th from lagna), indicating/signifying death/longevity of mother. > Certainly that Mercury with Moon in Maraka sthana (in the house of > maraka from Aquarious) is not good for mother. > All this could be complimenting factors - but there could be other > indicators as well. > ==> > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part of my > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality) > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; or he > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money - > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for scorpio, so > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc. > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business would > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the input > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct? > <== > Yap - the line of thought is correct. Every planet can and will give > both benfic as well as malefic results. Even the most malefic planet > will have many benefic results to give, and even the most benefic planet > will have many malefic results to give. > > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " smith_ak1971 " > <anilsmi@> wrote: > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > Thank you so much for the clarification. So in my example, moon and > > mercury are both classified as benefics. When do we consider the > > functionality of the planets - is it for the respective house or the > > respective periods? ie functionally, mo being benefic as 9th lord and > > mercury being malefic as 8 and 11th lord, would this combination act > > benefic or malefic on each other. Probably you are saying that it will > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in > > their respective periods. That reminds me, my mother passed away in > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?) > > > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part of my > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality) > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; or he > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money - > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for scorpio, so > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc. > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business would > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the input > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct? > > > > Thank you, > > Sincerely, > > Smitha > > > > PS : Sreenadh ji and Bhaskarji, regarding that story of Akbar-Birbal, > > it was just that I felt every now and then, the discussions in the > > forum went off at a tangent, with people beginning to attack/defend > > credentials instead of staying on the discussion or putting things > > into perspective, the latest example being the one on " which one is > > the best ascendant " . Interestingly, like the malefic and benefic > > qualities of most planets, the discussion also brought about both > > malefic and benefic aspects.. Anyway, with the last few mails from you > > and Bohraji, the issue is rested and there is no need to say anything > > more. > > > > Love and regards, > > smitha > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Smita ji, > > > ==> > > > > scorpio asc with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would > moon > > > be afflicted or > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is > dark > > > > trayodasi moon? > > > <== > > > As per classical astrology when someone says " Subha " (Benefic) he > > > simply means natural benefic without any tags attached to that word > > > 'Subha'. It is simple and straight. If they had to point to > functional > > > malefic etc then they will specifically used the required words > > > 'Dustanadhipa " (owner of 6-8-12 etc) as required by the situation. > This > > > is one of the prime facts that we should keep in mind. > > > With this awareness now let us approach your question - > > > Strong Moon and mercury are natural benefics. Even though it is > told > > > that Weak Moon (Ksheena Indu) is malefic, skandahora gives clear > > > definition for the moon Ksheena Indu (weak Moon) by the following > > > statement - " Only the Moon of chaturdasi and Amavasi should be > > > considered as weak and none other " . Even though this is the most > > > authentic definition given by > > > Skanda Hora, most of the astrologers consider the Moon of the dark > Sukla > > > Ashtami to Amavasi and to Krishna Ashtami as week. It is a logically > > > correct approach even thogh not much supported by classics. > > > You have stated that your Moon is of Dark Trayodasi, which is > strong > > > as per any of the above defenitions. Thus it is clear that you got > two > > > natural benefics (mercury and strong Moon) in Sagetterious. > > > ==> > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in > Sagittarius, > > > will > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and su? Or > is > > > every > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being > > > stronger) > > > > making mercury benefic? > > > <== > > > This is a new point. If Sun and Mars are in Sagittarius along > with > > > Mercury then they (sun and Mars) definitely affect Mercury and make > it > > > malefic (as evident from Mihira's statement - > " PapabuhdastairyutaH " ). A > > > combust mercury becomes more malefic and not benefic. > > > Thus if you have Moon, Mercury, Sun, Mars in Sagittarius for > Scorpio > > > Lagna then, only Moon is the natural malefic in that list and Sun, > Mars > > > and Mercury are natural malefics. Hope this is clear. > > > But this DOES NOT mean that Sun or Mars will give only malefic > > results > > > or only benefic results. Every planet gives BOTH benefic as well as > > > malefic results. Check the House-Planet results and Sing-Planets > results > > > to identify which benefic results and which malefic results they > will > > > provide. Hope this helps. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > , " Smitha " <anilsmi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sreenadh ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going through the nature of panets for each ascendant - malefic or > > > benefic, > > > > gives me lots of doubts, as obviously this need lots of practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, (pardon me if this example is from my own chart) > scorpio > > > asc > > > > with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would moon be > afflicted > > > or > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is > dark > > > > trayodasi moon? (in which case, I have heard that 2 malefics when > > > combining, > > > > leads to both becoming benefic.. if it is true, what is the > principle > > > > acting?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in > Sagittarius, > > > will > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and su? Or > is > > > every > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being > > > stronger) > > > > making mercury benefic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very basic knowledge in astrology and so pardon my > questions if > > > they > > > > are irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > smitha > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dear Bohra ji, ==> > When a > native suffering from very bad ill-health a good Dasa period will give > him death.Now we will be in confusion, how a benefice lord causes the > death,he give him a benefice result to free, from all pains. <== No need of confusion - the possible results are given by sages in chapters such as Rasi seeladhyaya (Sign-Planet results) and Bhava bhaladhyaya (House-Planet results) etc. We just need to learn them and start using them to come out of the confusion - if any. I disagree to your opinion in the above context. If death is there - it is a bad result and not a good result. If there is a possibility of death - then there would be combinations present that clearly indicate the possibility of death clearly distinct from all this good/bad confusion. This is why the understanding of basic result derivation techniques is important. ==> > So that we are telling > Astrology is very complex subject after going through all the > references and classics many times we feel, we doesn't know anything <== Of course at times we feel that we don't know anything - but that is NOT because that astrology is very complex, but because of the simple fact that we haven't learned or understood much and also because of the fact that complete information on all astrological possibilities (e.g results for all vargas, all aspects, all combinations etc) are not available and so on. The fact is that - Astrology is a simple subject and not a complex one. A straight look at the fundamental 7-fold premise will make it clear. Making it too complex is usually done by vested interests and also because of the fact that we are usually not even ready to learn and memorize even the simple basic approach/results. For example - if I ask a simple questions such as - "what result should be told for Ve in 9th in Taurus?" - how many would be there who can give a clear and detailed answer even though the results for the same are discussed in detail in numerous astrological classics? Yap - almost none, or only a very few! Truly - this itself, this ignorance and unwillingness of ours to learn and memorize even the basic quotes and results is that which makes astrology complex. Complexity is not an inherent nature of astrology but ours! We look for the shortest path - and later only realize that the shortest path we took was the longest one!!! Love and regards, Sreenadh , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > In my view each planet have their Karkatatva and basic> characteristics.What they will deliver it will be decided by Ascendant> only,as per all parasar's Theories.> > Result, we are getting by Dasa period of planet and in this each and> every planet are involve,as like MD-AD-PD-PD etc.So we can say every> planet can give benefice and malefic in common.So that we are telling> Astrology is very complex subject after going through all the> references and classics many times we feel,we doesn't know anything> > 'Desh,Kal and Paristithi" is also there to play there role.When a> native suffering from very bad ill-health a good Dasa period will give> him death.Now we will be in confusion,how a benefice lord causes the> death,he give him a benefice result to free, from all pains.> Classics give us a basic platform to understand but could not get the> result as it is.It is my experience,other may have their view.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Smitha ji,> > ==>> > > Probably you are saying that it will> > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in> > > their respective periods.> > <==> > Yes. There is no planet that is completely benefic or malefic. Every> > planet gives both benefic as well as malefic results. It all depends on> > the significance (karakatvas) those planets have and the significance> > (karakatvas) of Signs and houses that gets piped-through those planets. > > This is the very reason for the importance of the basic 7-fold system> > (such as deriving result based on Sign-Planet, House-Planet etc) and> > lack of importance of the hair splitting related to the too much> > generalized functional/natural benefic/malefic concepts etc.> > ==>> > > That reminds me, my mother passed away in> > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?)> > <==> > * For Scorpio Lagna - 4th house is Aquarius (signifying mother).> > Looking from this sign Jupiter is the Maraka lord for 4th house. Moon> > is placed in 4th lord's maraka's (i.e. Jupiter's) house, and is placed> > in the Maraka house of the native.> > * Again looking from 4th house (Aquarius) - Mercury is the 8th lord> > (11th from lagna), indicating/signifying death/longevity of mother. > > Certainly that Mercury with Moon in Maraka sthana (in the house of> > maraka from Aquarious) is not good for mother.> > All this could be complimenting factors - but there could be other> > indicators as well.> > ==>> > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part of my> > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality)> > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe> > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; or he> > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money -> > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for scorpio, so> > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc.> > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business would> > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good> > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the input> > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct?> > <==> > Yap - the line of thought is correct. Every planet can and will give> > both benfic as well as malefic results. Even the most malefic planet> > will have many benefic results to give, and even the most benefic planet> > will have many malefic results to give. > > > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "smith_ak1971"> > <anilsmi@> wrote:> > >> > > Sreenadhji,> > >> > > Thank you so much for the clarification. So in my example, moon and> > > mercury are both classified as benefics. When do we consider the> > > functionality of the planets - is it for the respective house or the> > > respective periods? ie functionally, mo being benefic as 9th lord and> > > mercury being malefic as 8 and 11th lord, would this combination act> > > benefic or malefic on each other. Probably you are saying that it will> > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in> > > their respective periods. That reminds me, my mother passed away in> > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?)> > >> > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part of my> > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality)> > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe> > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; or he> > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money -> > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for scorpio, so> > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc.> > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business would> > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good> > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the input> > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct?> > >> > > Thank you,> > > Sincerely,> > > Smitha> > >> > > PS : Sreenadh ji and Bhaskarji, regarding that story of Akbar-Birbal,> > > it was just that I felt every now and then, the discussions in the> > > forum went off at a tangent, with people beginning to attack/defend> > > credentials instead of staying on the discussion or putting things> > > into perspective, the latest example being the one on "which one is> > > the best ascendant". Interestingly, like the malefic and benefic> > > qualities of most planets, the discussion also brought about both> > > malefic and benefic aspects.. Anyway, with the last few mails from you> > > and Bohraji, the issue is rested and there is no need to say anything> > > more.> > >> > > Love and regards,> > > smitha> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Smita ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > scorpio asc with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would> > moon> > > > be afflicted or> > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is> > dark> > > > > trayodasi moon?> > > > <==> > > > As per classical astrology when someone says "Subha" (Benefic) he> > > > simply means natural benefic without any tags attached to that word> > > > 'Subha'. It is simple and straight. If they had to point to> > functional> > > > malefic etc then they will specifically used the required words> > > > 'Dustanadhipa" (owner of 6-8-12 etc) as required by the situation. > > This> > > > is one of the prime facts that we should keep in mind.> > > > With this awareness now let us approach your question -> > > > Strong Moon and mercury are natural benefics. Even though it is> > told> > > > that Weak Moon (Ksheena Indu) is malefic, skandahora gives clear> > > > definition for the moon Ksheena Indu (weak Moon) by the following> > > > statement - "Only the Moon of chaturdasi and Amavasi should be> > > > considered as weak and none other". Even though this is the most> > > > authentic definition given by> > > > Skanda Hora, most of the astrologers consider the Moon of the dark> > Sukla> > > > Ashtami to Amavasi and to Krishna Ashtami as week. It is a logically> > > > correct approach even thogh not much supported by classics.> > > > You have stated that your Moon is of Dark Trayodasi, which is> > strong> > > > as per any of the above defenitions. Thus it is clear that you got> > two> > > > natural benefics (mercury and strong Moon) in Sagetterious.> > > > ==>> > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in> > Sagittarius,> > > > will> > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and su? Or> > is> > > > every> > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being> > > > stronger)> > > > > making mercury benefic?> > > > <==> > > > This is a new point. If Sun and Mars are in Sagittarius along> > with> > > > Mercury then they (sun and Mars) definitely affect Mercury and make> > it> > > > malefic (as evident from Mihira's statement -> > "PapabuhdastairyutaH"). A> > > > combust mercury becomes more malefic and not benefic.> > > > Thus if you have Moon, Mercury, Sun, Mars in Sagittarius for> > Scorpio> > > > Lagna then, only Moon is the natural malefic in that list and Sun,> > Mars> > > > and Mercury are natural malefics. Hope this is clear.> > > > But this DOES NOT mean that Sun or Mars will give only malefic> > > results> > > > or only benefic results. Every planet gives BOTH benefic as well as> > > > malefic results. Check the House-Planet results and Sing-Planets> > results> > > > to identify which benefic results and which malefic results they> > will> > > > provide. Hope this helps.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Smitha" <anilsmi@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadh ji> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Going through the nature of panets for each ascendant - malefic or> > > > benefic,> > > > > gives me lots of doubts, as obviously this need lots of practice.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > For example, (pardon me if this example is from my own chart)> > scorpio> > > > asc> > > > > with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would moon be> > afflicted> > > > or> > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is> > dark> > > > > trayodasi moon? (in which case, I have heard that 2 malefics when> > > > combining,> > > > > leads to both becoming benefic.. if it is true, what is the> > principle> > > > > acting?)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in> > Sagittarius,> > > > will> > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and su? Or> > is> > > > every> > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being> > > > stronger)> > > > > making mercury benefic?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I have very basic knowledge in astrology and so pardon my> > questions if> > > > they> > > > > are irrelevant.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > smitha> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dear Smitha ji, ==> So many of the same combinations exist for my mil also in my chart?! I guess, we can go on inferring these things from the chart.. <== Yes - many things related to many people exists in our chart. Information regarding events that will affect our mother, father, brothers, sisters, husband, wife, relatives, children, friends, the organizations we work with and so on...... But all this are in some way or other related to the native itself - right? Actually that is the very reason for such things to be present in our chart. But problem happens when we erroneously start interpreting death or disease related to some one connected with the native on the native itself, or vise versa! We should know that there is always a possibility for this to happen – any time. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "smith_ak1971" <anilsmi wrote:>> > Thank you, Sreenadh ji> > Interestingly, my mother passed away in Mo-Ju-Me, which is well> explained by you. She first got a cerebral stroke in su-sat-mo, after> which she recovered 90% though she was on medicines and had treatment.> Su is in the third house (12th from 4th house). Su is disposited by sa> (4th lord) and su is karak for father. The fourth lord saturn is> debilitated in 6th house, aspecting su in 3rd. In navamsa also, su is> in second with ketu, aspected by saturn exalted in the eighth house> with rahu. All that explains it nicely (I guess).> Interestingly, my mother-in-law also passed away in the same mo-ju-me,> just 15 days before my mom, probably because my venus (7th lord)is in> lagna. So many of the same combinations exist for my mil also in my> chart?! I guess, we can go on inferring these things from the chart..> > Bohra ji, you are right in saying that sometimes when something bad> happens, it is also for good. When my mother passed away, I was happy> for her that she has been released from her suffering, even though she> was only 46 at the time.> > Thanks and regards,> Smitha> > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Smitha ji,> > ==>> > > Probably you are saying that it will> > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in> > > their respective periods.> > <==> > Yes. There is no planet that is completely benefic or malefic. Every> > planet gives both benefic as well as malefic results. It all depends on> > the significance (karakatvas) those planets have and the significance> > (karakatvas) of Signs and houses that gets piped-through those planets. > > This is the very reason for the importance of the basic 7-fold system> > (such as deriving result based on Sign-Planet, House-Planet etc) and> > lack of importance of the hair splitting related to the too much> > generalized functional/natural benefic/malefic concepts etc.> > ==>> > > That reminds me, my mother passed away in> > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?)> > <==> > * For Scorpio Lagna - 4th house is Aquarius (signifying mother).> > Looking from this sign Jupiter is the Maraka lord for 4th house. Moon> > is placed in 4th lord's maraka's (i.e. Jupiter's) house, and is placed> > in the Maraka house of the native.> > * Again looking from 4th house (Aquarius) - Mercury is the 8th lord> > (11th from lagna), indicating/signifying death/longevity of mother. > > Certainly that Mercury with Moon in Maraka sthana (in the house of> > maraka from Aquarious) is not good for mother.> > All this could be complimenting factors - but there could be other> > indicators as well.> > ==>> > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part of my> > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality)> > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe> > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; or he> > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money -> > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for scorpio, so> > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc.> > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business would> > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good> > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the input> > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct?> > <==> > Yap - the line of thought is correct. Every planet can and will give> > both benfic as well as malefic results. Even the most malefic planet> > will have many benefic results to give, and even the most benefic planet> > will have many malefic results to give. > > > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "smith_ak1971"> > <anilsmi@> wrote:> > >> > > Sreenadhji,> > >> > > Thank you so much for the clarification. So in my example, moon and> > > mercury are both classified as benefics. When do we consider the> > > functionality of the planets - is it for the respective house or the> > > respective periods? ie functionally, mo being benefic as 9th lord and> > > mercury being malefic as 8 and 11th lord, would this combination act> > > benefic or malefic on each other. Probably you are saying that it will> > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in> > > their respective periods. That reminds me, my mother passed away in> > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?)> > >> > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part of my> > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality)> > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe> > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; or he> > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money -> > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for scorpio, so> > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc.> > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business would> > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good> > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the input> > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct?> > >> > > Thank you,> > > Sincerely,> > > Smitha> > >> > > PS : Sreenadh ji and Bhaskarji, regarding that story of Akbar-Birbal,> > > it was just that I felt every now and then, the discussions in the> > > forum went off at a tangent, with people beginning to attack/defend> > > credentials instead of staying on the discussion or putting things> > > into perspective, the latest example being the one on "which one is> > > the best ascendant". Interestingly, like the malefic and benefic> > > qualities of most planets, the discussion also brought about both> > > malefic and benefic aspects.. Anyway, with the last few mails from you> > > and Bohraji, the issue is rested and there is no need to say anything> > > more.> > >> > > Love and regards,> > > smitha> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Smita ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > scorpio asc with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would> > moon> > > > be afflicted or> > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is> > dark> > > > > trayodasi moon?> > > > <==> > > > As per classical astrology when someone says "Subha" (Benefic) he> > > > simply means natural benefic without any tags attached to that word> > > > 'Subha'. It is simple and straight. If they had to point to> > functional> > > > malefic etc then they will specifically used the required words> > > > 'Dustanadhipa" (owner of 6-8-12 etc) as required by the situation. > > This> > > > is one of the prime facts that we should keep in mind.> > > > With this awareness now let us approach your question -> > > > Strong Moon and mercury are natural benefics. Even though it is> > told> > > > that Weak Moon (Ksheena Indu) is malefic, skandahora gives clear> > > > definition for the moon Ksheena Indu (weak Moon) by the following> > > > statement - "Only the Moon of chaturdasi and Amavasi should be> > > > considered as weak and none other". Even though this is the most> > > > authentic definition given by> > > > Skanda Hora, most of the astrologers consider the Moon of the dark> > Sukla> > > > Ashtami to Amavasi and to Krishna Ashtami as week. It is a logically> > > > correct approach even thogh not much supported by classics.> > > > You have stated that your Moon is of Dark Trayodasi, which is> > strong> > > > as per any of the above defenitions. Thus it is clear that you got> > two> > > > natural benefics (mercury and strong Moon) in Sagetterious.> > > > ==>> > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in> > Sagittarius,> > > > will> > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and su? Or> > is> > > > every> > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being> > > > stronger)> > > > > making mercury benefic?> > > > <==> > > > This is a new point. If Sun and Mars are in Sagittarius along> > with> > > > Mercury then they (sun and Mars) definitely affect Mercury and make> > it> > > > malefic (as evident from Mihira's statement -> > "PapabuhdastairyutaH"). A> > > > combust mercury becomes more malefic and not benefic.> > > > Thus if you have Moon, Mercury, Sun, Mars in Sagittarius for> > Scorpio> > > > Lagna then, only Moon is the natural malefic in that list and Sun,> > Mars> > > > and Mercury are natural malefics. Hope this is clear.> > > > But this DOES NOT mean that Sun or Mars will give only malefic> > > results> > > > or only benefic results. Every planet gives BOTH benefic as well as> > > > malefic results. Check the House-Planet results and Sing-Planets> > results> > > > to identify which benefic results and which malefic results they> > will> > > > provide. Hope this helps.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Smitha" <anilsmi@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadh ji> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Going through the nature of panets for each ascendant - malefic or> > > > benefic,> > > > > gives me lots of doubts, as obviously this need lots of practice.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > For example, (pardon me if this example is from my own chart)> > scorpio> > > > asc> > > > > with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would moon be> > afflicted> > > > or> > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is> > dark> > > > > trayodasi moon? (in which case, I have heard that 2 malefics when> > > > combining,> > > > > leads to both becoming benefic.. if it is true, what is the> > principle> > > > > acting?)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in> > Sagittarius,> > > > will> > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and su? Or> > is> > > > every> > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being> > > > stronger)> > > > > making mercury benefic?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I have very basic knowledge in astrology and so pardon my> > questions if> > > > they> > > > > are irrelevant.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > smitha> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Dear Smithaji, //Bohra ji, you are right in saying that sometimes when something bad happens, it is also for good. When my mother passed away, I was happy for her that she has been released from her suffering, even though she was only 46 at the time.// Yes! somany person wanted willing death because they are suffering to hell if they will free from this hell it is benefice result for them.A benefice period will give them this benefice result.We also make it clear Marka-Dasa means not death only.What Shri Krishna said to Arjun in Mahabharat " Insult is also a death " .Marka can make the world a hell to a native by his Dasa.so death can't be judge by simple obsevation.No body can predict the right date and time for death,it is very complex. What do you think,about you feeling of happiness?You have lost your mother, it is good or bad ? Some planets are benefice,some are malefic and some are neutral ny Nature.Ascendant(Zodiac) decide their final result,it will give benefice result or malefic.By Ascendant if a planet become malefic than by his placement he can give less or more malefic result same with a benefice(As per Ascendant). As you have Scorpio Ascendant,Moon(9th lord) and Jupiter(2nd and 5th lord) are benefice and Mercury(6th and 11th lord) is most malefic.Now you decide which planet given you bad and which given good result.One side you become happy and other side you had lost your mother and mother -in-law. Smithaji, you will provide your birth details for my study,if you have posted earlier than my request to you,please post it again.Because my son also have Scorpio Ascendant and i want to learn more about it. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " smith_ak1971 " <anilsmi wrote: > > > Thank you, Sreenadh ji > > Interestingly, my mother passed away in Mo-Ju-Me, which is well > explained by you. She first got a cerebral stroke in su-sat-mo, after > which she recovered 90% though she was on medicines and had treatment. > Su is in the third house (12th from 4th house). Su is disposited by sa > (4th lord) and su is karak for father. The fourth lord saturn is > debilitated in 6th house, aspecting su in 3rd. In navamsa also, su is > in second with ketu, aspected by saturn exalted in the eighth house > with rahu. All that explains it nicely (I guess). > Interestingly, my mother-in-law also passed away in the same mo-ju-me, > just 15 days before my mom, probably because my venus (7th lord)is in > lagna. So many of the same combinations exist for my mil also in my > chart?! I guess, we can go on inferring these things from the chart.. > > Bohra ji, you are right in saying that sometimes when something bad > happens, it is also for good. When my mother passed away, I was happy > for her that she has been released from her suffering, even though she > was only 46 at the time. > > Thanks and regards, > Smitha > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Smitha ji, > > ==> > > > Probably you are saying that it will > > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in > > > their respective periods. > > <== > > Yes. There is no planet that is completely benefic or malefic. Every > > planet gives both benefic as well as malefic results. It all depends on > > the significance (karakatvas) those planets have and the significance > > (karakatvas) of Signs and houses that gets piped-through those planets. > > This is the very reason for the importance of the basic 7-fold system > > (such as deriving result based on Sign-Planet, House-Planet etc) and > > lack of importance of the hair splitting related to the too much > > generalized functional/natural benefic/malefic concepts etc. > > ==> > > > That reminds me, my mother passed away in > > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?) > > <== > > * For Scorpio Lagna - 4th house is Aquarius (signifying mother). > > Looking from this sign Jupiter is the Maraka lord for 4th house. Moon > > is placed in 4th lord's maraka's (i.e. Jupiter's) house, and is placed > > in the Maraka house of the native. > > * Again looking from 4th house (Aquarius) - Mercury is the 8th lord > > (11th from lagna), indicating/signifying death/longevity of mother. > > Certainly that Mercury with Moon in Maraka sthana (in the house of > > maraka from Aquarious) is not good for mother. > > All this could be complimenting factors - but there could be other > > indicators as well. > > ==> > > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part of my > > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality) > > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe > > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; or he > > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money - > > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for scorpio, so > > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc. > > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business would > > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good > > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the input > > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct? > > <== > > Yap - the line of thought is correct. Every planet can and will give > > both benfic as well as malefic results. Even the most malefic planet > > will have many benefic results to give, and even the most benefic planet > > will have many malefic results to give. > > > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " smith_ak1971 " > > <anilsmi@> wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > Thank you so much for the clarification. So in my example, moon and > > > mercury are both classified as benefics. When do we consider the > > > functionality of the planets - is it for the respective house or the > > > respective periods? ie functionally, mo being benefic as 9th lord and > > > mercury being malefic as 8 and 11th lord, would this combination act > > > benefic or malefic on each other. Probably you are saying that it will > > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in > > > their respective periods. That reminds me, my mother passed away in > > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?) > > > > > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part of my > > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality) > > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe > > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; or he > > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money - > > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for scorpio, so > > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc. > > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business would > > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good > > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the input > > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Sincerely, > > > Smitha > > > > > > PS : Sreenadh ji and Bhaskarji, regarding that story of Akbar-Birbal, > > > it was just that I felt every now and then, the discussions in the > > > forum went off at a tangent, with people beginning to attack/defend > > > credentials instead of staying on the discussion or putting things > > > into perspective, the latest example being the one on " which one is > > > the best ascendant " . Interestingly, like the malefic and benefic > > > qualities of most planets, the discussion also brought about both > > > malefic and benefic aspects.. Anyway, with the last few mails from you > > > and Bohraji, the issue is rested and there is no need to say anything > > > more. > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > smitha > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Smita ji, > > > > ==> > > > > > scorpio asc with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would > > moon > > > > be afflicted or > > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is > > dark > > > > > trayodasi moon? > > > > <== > > > > As per classical astrology when someone says " Subha " (Benefic) he > > > > simply means natural benefic without any tags attached to that word > > > > 'Subha'. It is simple and straight. If they had to point to > > functional > > > > malefic etc then they will specifically used the required words > > > > 'Dustanadhipa " (owner of 6-8-12 etc) as required by the situation. > > This > > > > is one of the prime facts that we should keep in mind. > > > > With this awareness now let us approach your question - > > > > Strong Moon and mercury are natural benefics. Even though it is > > told > > > > that Weak Moon (Ksheena Indu) is malefic, skandahora gives clear > > > > definition for the moon Ksheena Indu (weak Moon) by the following > > > > statement - " Only the Moon of chaturdasi and Amavasi should be > > > > considered as weak and none other " . Even though this is the most > > > > authentic definition given by > > > > Skanda Hora, most of the astrologers consider the Moon of the dark > > Sukla > > > > Ashtami to Amavasi and to Krishna Ashtami as week. It is a logically > > > > correct approach even thogh not much supported by classics. > > > > You have stated that your Moon is of Dark Trayodasi, which is > > strong > > > > as per any of the above defenitions. Thus it is clear that you got > > two > > > > natural benefics (mercury and strong Moon) in Sagetterious. > > > > ==> > > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in > > Sagittarius, > > > > will > > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and su? Or > > is > > > > every > > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being > > > > stronger) > > > > > making mercury benefic? > > > > <== > > > > This is a new point. If Sun and Mars are in Sagittarius along > > with > > > > Mercury then they (sun and Mars) definitely affect Mercury and make > > it > > > > malefic (as evident from Mihira's statement - > > " PapabuhdastairyutaH " ). A > > > > combust mercury becomes more malefic and not benefic. > > > > Thus if you have Moon, Mercury, Sun, Mars in Sagittarius for > > Scorpio > > > > Lagna then, only Moon is the natural malefic in that list and Sun, > > Mars > > > > and Mercury are natural malefics. Hope this is clear. > > > > But this DOES NOT mean that Sun or Mars will give only malefic > > > results > > > > or only benefic results. Every planet gives BOTH benefic as well as > > > > malefic results. Check the House-Planet results and Sing-Planets > > results > > > > to identify which benefic results and which malefic results they > > will > > > > provide. Hope this helps. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Smitha " <anilsmi@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going through the nature of panets for each ascendant - malefic or > > > > benefic, > > > > > gives me lots of doubts, as obviously this need lots of practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, (pardon me if this example is from my own chart) > > scorpio > > > > asc > > > > > with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would moon be > > afflicted > > > > or > > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is > > dark > > > > > trayodasi moon? (in which case, I have heard that 2 malefics when > > > > combining, > > > > > leads to both becoming benefic.. if it is true, what is the > > principle > > > > > acting?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in > > Sagittarius, > > > > will > > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and su? Or > > is > > > > every > > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being > > > > stronger) > > > > > making mercury benefic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very basic knowledge in astrology and so pardon my > > questions if > > > > they > > > > > are irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > smitha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Dear Bohra ji, Sreenadh ji and all, Please note that I did lose my mother and mother-in-law in my moon dasa, but i had good experiences too - I had my first son in the Sun dasa, my second son in the moon dasa, without any problems, thanks to God! and many good times too. Yes, I also had an incident where I got burns from the pressure cooker and was in bandages for two months. Strangely, my younger sister suffered burns just a couple of weeks after me! Maybe my lagna lord is Mars, and it is also karak for younger sibling; of course, there must be other indications too. Life is a mixed bag and charts/planets would definitely echo that. Regards, smitha , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Smithaji, > > //Bohra ji, you are right in saying that sometimes when something bad > happens, it is also for good. When my mother passed away, I was happy > for her that she has been released from her suffering, even though she > was only 46 at the time.// > > Yes! somany person wanted willing death because they are suffering to > hell if they will free from this hell it is benefice result for them.A > benefice period will give them this benefice result.We also make it > clear Marka-Dasa means not death only.What Shri Krishna said to Arjun > in Mahabharat " Insult is also a death " .Marka can make the world a hell > to a native by his Dasa.so death can't be judge by simple > obsevation.No body can predict the right date and time for death,it is > very complex. > > What do you think,about you feeling of happiness?You have lost your > mother, it is good or bad ? > > Some planets are benefice,some are malefic and some are neutral ny > Nature.Ascendant(Zodiac) decide their final result,it will give > benefice result or malefic.By Ascendant if a planet become malefic > than by his placement he can give less or more malefic result same > with a benefice(As per Ascendant). > > As you have Scorpio Ascendant,Moon(9th lord) and Jupiter(2nd and 5th > lord) are benefice and Mercury(6th and 11th lord) is most malefic.Now > you decide which planet given you bad and which given good result.One > side you become happy and other side you had lost your mother and > mother -in-law. > > Smithaji, you will provide your birth details for my study,if you have > posted earlier than my request to you,please post it again.Because my > son also have Scorpio Ascendant and i want to learn more about it. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , " smith_ak1971 " > <anilsmi@> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you, Sreenadh ji > > > > Interestingly, my mother passed away in Mo-Ju-Me, which is well > > explained by you. She first got a cerebral stroke in su-sat-mo, after > > which she recovered 90% though she was on medicines and had treatment. > > Su is in the third house (12th from 4th house). Su is disposited by sa > > (4th lord) and su is karak for father. The fourth lord saturn is > > debilitated in 6th house, aspecting su in 3rd. In navamsa also, su is > > in second with ketu, aspected by saturn exalted in the eighth house > > with rahu. All that explains it nicely (I guess). > > Interestingly, my mother-in-law also passed away in the same mo-ju-me, > > just 15 days before my mom, probably because my venus (7th lord)is in > > lagna. So many of the same combinations exist for my mil also in my > > chart?! I guess, we can go on inferring these things from the chart.. > > > > Bohra ji, you are right in saying that sometimes when something bad > > happens, it is also for good. When my mother passed away, I was happy > > for her that she has been released from her suffering, even though she > > was only 46 at the time. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Smitha > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Smitha ji, > > > ==> > > > > Probably you are saying that it will > > > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in > > > > their respective periods. > > > <== > > > Yes. There is no planet that is completely benefic or malefic. > Every > > > planet gives both benefic as well as malefic results. It all > depends on > > > the significance (karakatvas) those planets have and the significance > > > (karakatvas) of Signs and houses that gets piped-through those > planets. > > > This is the very reason for the importance of the basic 7-fold system > > > (such as deriving result based on Sign-Planet, House-Planet etc) and > > > lack of importance of the hair splitting related to the too much > > > generalized functional/natural benefic/malefic concepts etc. > > > ==> > > > > That reminds me, my mother passed away in > > > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?) > > > <== > > > * For Scorpio Lagna - 4th house is Aquarius (signifying mother). > > > Looking from this sign Jupiter is the Maraka lord for 4th house. Moon > > > is placed in 4th lord's maraka's (i.e. Jupiter's) house, and is placed > > > in the Maraka house of the native. > > > * Again looking from 4th house (Aquarius) - Mercury is the > 8th lord > > > (11th from lagna), indicating/signifying death/longevity of mother. > > > Certainly that Mercury with Moon in Maraka sthana (in the house of > > > maraka from Aquarious) is not good for mother. > > > All this could be complimenting factors - but there could be other > > > indicators as well. > > > ==> > > > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part > of my > > > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality) > > > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe > > > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; > or he > > > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money - > > > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for > scorpio, so > > > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc. > > > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business > would > > > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good > > > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the > input > > > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct? > > > <== > > > Yap - the line of thought is correct. Every planet can and > will give > > > both benfic as well as malefic results. Even the most malefic planet > > > will have many benefic results to give, and even the most benefic > planet > > > will have many malefic results to give. > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " smith_ak1971 " > > > <anilsmi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for the clarification. So in my example, moon and > > > > mercury are both classified as benefics. When do we consider the > > > > functionality of the planets - is it for the respective house or the > > > > respective periods? ie functionally, mo being benefic as 9th > lord and > > > > mercury being malefic as 8 and 11th lord, would this combination act > > > > benefic or malefic on each other. Probably you are saying that > it will > > > > have both the malefic and benefic effects on the houses/karakas in > > > > their respective periods. That reminds me, my mother passed away in > > > > Moon dasa.(as moon is in marak house along with 8th and 11th lord?) > > > > > > > > The sun, mer and ma combination was hypothetical. It is not part > of my > > > > chart. So in that case, su would give both malefic (natural quality) > > > > and benefic (functional quality) as like he would use maybe > > > > inappropriate means to earn money, but it would give him money; > or he > > > > would not be very happy with his job, but it would give him money - > > > > being the tenth lord. Ma being lagna lord, is benefic for > scorpio, so > > > > Ma dasa would be good for the lagna, for the name, fame, status etc. > > > > but it would give him tension or ill-health? Mercury - business > would > > > > be bad for him or friends and 8th house pursuits would not give good > > > > results? Maybe he would not have any gains in proportion to the > input > > > > at work? Pardon my ignorance, but is my line of thinking correct? > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Smitha > > > > > > > > PS : Sreenadh ji and Bhaskarji, regarding that story of > Akbar-Birbal, > > > > it was just that I felt every now and then, the discussions in the > > > > forum went off at a tangent, with people beginning to attack/defend > > > > credentials instead of staying on the discussion or putting things > > > > into perspective, the latest example being the one on " which one is > > > > the best ascendant " . Interestingly, like the malefic and benefic > > > > qualities of most planets, the discussion also brought about both > > > > malefic and benefic aspects.. Anyway, with the last few mails > from you > > > > and Bohraji, the issue is rested and there is no need to say > anything > > > > more. > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > smitha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Smita ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > > scorpio asc with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would > > > moon > > > > > be afflicted or > > > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is > > > dark > > > > > > trayodasi moon? > > > > > <== > > > > > As per classical astrology when someone says " Subha " > (Benefic) he > > > > > simply means natural benefic without any tags attached to that > word > > > > > 'Subha'. It is simple and straight. If they had to point to > > > functional > > > > > malefic etc then they will specifically used the required words > > > > > 'Dustanadhipa " (owner of 6-8-12 etc) as required by the > situation. > > > This > > > > > is one of the prime facts that we should keep in mind. > > > > > With this awareness now let us approach your question - > > > > > Strong Moon and mercury are natural benefics. Even though > it is > > > told > > > > > that Weak Moon (Ksheena Indu) is malefic, skandahora gives clear > > > > > definition for the moon Ksheena Indu (weak Moon) by the following > > > > > statement - " Only the Moon of chaturdasi and Amavasi should be > > > > > considered as weak and none other " . Even though this is the most > > > > > authentic definition given by > > > > > Skanda Hora, most of the astrologers consider the Moon of the dark > > > Sukla > > > > > Ashtami to Amavasi and to Krishna Ashtami as week. It is a > logically > > > > > correct approach even thogh not much supported by classics. > > > > > You have stated that your Moon is of Dark Trayodasi, which is > > > strong > > > > > as per any of the above defenitions. Thus it is clear that > you got > > > two > > > > > natural benefics (mercury and strong Moon) in Sagetterious. > > > > > ==> > > > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in > > > Sagittarius, > > > > > will > > > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and > su? Or > > > is > > > > > every > > > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being > > > > > stronger) > > > > > > making mercury benefic? > > > > > <== > > > > > This is a new point. If Sun and Mars are in Sagittarius along > > > with > > > > > Mercury then they (sun and Mars) definitely affect Mercury and > make > > > it > > > > > malefic (as evident from Mihira's statement - > > > " PapabuhdastairyutaH " ). A > > > > > combust mercury becomes more malefic and not benefic. > > > > > Thus if you have Moon, Mercury, Sun, Mars in Sagittarius for > > > Scorpio > > > > > Lagna then, only Moon is the natural malefic in that list and Sun, > > > Mars > > > > > and Mercury are natural malefics. Hope this is clear. > > > > > But this DOES NOT mean that Sun or Mars will give only malefic > > > > results > > > > > or only benefic results. Every planet gives BOTH benefic as > well as > > > > > malefic results. Check the House-Planet results and Sing-Planets > > > results > > > > > to identify which benefic results and which malefic results they > > > will > > > > > provide. Hope this helps. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Smitha " > <anilsmi@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going through the nature of panets for each ascendant - > malefic or > > > > > benefic, > > > > > > gives me lots of doubts, as obviously this need lots of > practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, (pardon me if this example is from my own chart) > > > scorpio > > > > > asc > > > > > > with moon and mercury in Sagittarius - Here, would moon be > > > afflicted > > > > > or > > > > > > mercury and moon both would become beneficial? What if moon is > > > dark > > > > > > trayodasi moon? (in which case, I have heard that 2 malefics > when > > > > > combining, > > > > > > leads to both becoming benefic.. if it is true, what is the > > > principle > > > > > > acting?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Scorpio asc, if mars, mercury and sun are together in > > > Sagittarius, > > > > > will > > > > > > mercury become beneficial under influence of both mars and > su? Or > > > is > > > > > every > > > > > > planet afflicted? What if mercury is combust, then is sun (being > > > > > stronger) > > > > > > making mercury benefic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have very basic knowledge in astrology and so pardon my > > > questions if > > > > > they > > > > > > are irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > smitha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Dear Srinivas ji, Thanx. Will you be kind enough to point out some links for Garuda Purana and Keto Upanishad. Regards Sunil --- On Tue, 12/30/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Re:Benefics/Malefics Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 5:45 PM Dear Mr. Sunil Sharma21, 1) Do you know that there are many other " lokas " {worlds} other than " bhoo-lok " {earthly abode}? i.e. patal or deva or suta lokas....etc. . There are about 9 or 12 in total. Each has its own significance 2) All the above are related like in game of Snakes & Ladders. One wrong move on the dice, you go down.... 3) A newly born child dying prematurely, causing grief to his/her parents is a part of karmic action, to which in ordinary eyes/ears, difficult to explain, unless one is spiritually tuned inward.... 4) You can read explanatory notes on Keto Upanishad which talks of soul's journey from birth to other elevations {promotions} and also Garuda Purana which explains in detail the journey of the soul after death. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, One, I am Sunil not Sushil. Two, Common sense is the word. I have been told time and again that, generally speaking, maturity comes with age. True or false? Of course there are exceptions where a child might be uttering things beyond his minds capability but these are generally linked to reincarnation or similar incidents. Forgive me, if I may say so, perhaps we are not at the same level spiritually, intellectually or astrologically, you being way ahead of me. But, don't you think all the three must first satisfy basic life patterns and then provide further explanations, if indeed there are any. They can not be used to interpret things in deference to life as we know it. You may call me a conformist and not being able to think " out of the box " . but to me everyday life and its experiences form the bedrock of my quest for knowledge (and I try to find explanations for these) rather than the written word just because it is so written. Once again, I apologise for my language, which might sound curt. Regards Sunil --- On Tue, 12/30/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re:Benefics/Malefics Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 5:11 PM Dear Sushil Sharma ji, //A child dying at birth or very early can not be said to have a maturity of soul or will it?// How do you correlate maturity of soul with the age of a person? How is birth/death related to the maturity of any soul? Could you please be a little more specific? Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Dear Sunil ji, //One, I am Sunil not Sushil//My sincere apologies to you. It was an oversight. //Two, Common sense is the word. I have been told time and again that, generally speaking, maturity comes with age. True or false?//I thought we were speaking about the maturity of the soul!! //You may call me a conformist and not being able to think " out of the box " . but to me everyday life and its experiences form the bedrock of my quest for knowledge (and I try to find explanations for these) rather than the written word just because it is so written.//If so, then we first need to distinguish between body, mind and soul for everyday life. We take birth with a body which grows in age and ultimately dies. Mind is part of this body which governs the thinking, learning and instinct. Soul is the least understood principle, unseen and unobserved, yet very much there. Even said to be a guide for the other two. The maturity of this soul is practically impossible for anyone to judge. A child who dies at birth, may be a mature soul, but born and gone due to interlinked destinies, as a result of karma of parents. //Of course there are exceptions where a child might be uttering things beyond his minds capability but these are generally linked to reincarnation or similar incidents.//This is an entirely different phenomenon where samskarams and learning, get rooted in the soul, and are carried forward in coming births. The process is complex and not fully understood though we have many theories and explanations given by sages from time to time. Most eloquent and convincing is that of soul and its connection with gross body through the subtle bodies. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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