Fwd: Mleccha Desa Kalinga

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, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

 

 

 

There is a place in modern Orissa which is a forest and hilly region

called VedaVyas.The great Ithihaasa Mahaabharata was written by

Krishnaddwaipaayana Veda Vyasa in this place.Veda Vyasa was a witness

of the Mahaabharata.The Great War of Mahabharata took place in the

year 3065 BC.This has been scientifically and historically proved

including me.For scientific evidence read the work of Prof Narahari

Acharya.

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

 

 

 

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ODDISILAB <oddisilab1

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:52:31 PM

Mleccha Desa Kalinga

 

 

Boy (as my nonogerian revered teacher calls out),

Mleccha Desa Kalinga was yet another independent entitity. The

Matsya Purana says, even after a pilgrimage to Kalinga, one has to

undertake acts expitiation !!

However, mighty Kalinga did have Rik Vedic Brahmans on dt.

c.400A.D. This is hard evidenced based.

 

i come from a Kalinga/Odra PRATIPALITA authentic Siddhant

brahmin (?) house, belonging to Mandana Misra school.

 

Dr. db

Bhubaneswar

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Kishore patnaik

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:19 PM

Re: Some musings on Ancient Indian Geography

 

hinducivilization, " Bhalchandra Thattey "

<tobhalgt@ . wrote:

 

You are right.

Marathi langugae is nearest to Sanskrit, but Maharashtra is one of the

Panch_Dravidas including Karnataka, Andhra, TamilNadu and Kerala.

The regions to the north are home to the Pancha_Gaudas.

Traditionally Pancha_Dravidas intermarry but they do not marry with the

Panch_Gaudas. and vice-a-versa

 

On 12/7/08, Kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ... wrote:

 

The most intriguing factor is the commonality and the differences

between North Indians and South Indians.

 

I am a Telugu and I think my language is " Aryan " , In fact, I place it

in the sub group of Dardic languages. The Linguists differ.

 

Pali langauge, an Aryan language, was prevalent in south India

Relationship fo the language of Pisaci, from which modern Telugu

evolved, with Pali is to be explored.

 

All said and done, we have to reject the existing prejudices and start

afresh looking into the 'Aryan " and " Dravidian " definitions.

 

Kishore patnaik

 

--- In

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Vedaprakash Vedaprakash

<vedamvedaprakash@ wrote:

 

The so-called " Dravidians " have " Sangam literature " , just like

" Aryans " who have " Sanskrit literature " .

 

Like the research conducted by the Indologists on " Sanskrit

literature " to discover or invent Aryans and Dravidians, enough

research have not been conducted on " Sangam literature " .

 

If you read " Ancient Tamil / Sangam literature " , you cannot find any

reference implicitly or explicitly that they were called themselves

" Dravidians " or they came from outside, as the " geographical

description " as described in it, it locates within the boundaries of

South India or perhaps beyond South India!

 

--- On Sat, 12/6/08, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:

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Saturday, December 6, 2008, 9:28 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another route by which Aryans seem to have gone to South

India was by sea � from Indus to Kutch and from there, by sea

coast to

Saurashtra or Kathiawar. From Kathiawar, they went to Modern Broach

, from

where they proceeded to Sopara (Supparaka) in Thane district,

Maharashtra.

 

After Mahabharata war, there was a declinein Aryan civilzation and

there was a mix of various tribes, just as feared by Arjuna in the

first

chapter of Bhagavad Gita that there will be destruction of Varna

Dharma and the

women folk will become daring in their marriage with men from other

Varnas.

 

�

 

Baudhayana� in his Dharmasutras

quotes a verse from the Bhallavan school fo Law, which tells us that

 

The inhabitants of Sindhu , Sauvira and Surashtra like those

of Deccan were of mixed origin. It is possible that Aryans were

recolonizing

these parts, much time after Mbh. Towards the end of period of

Dharma sutras,

they seem to have advanced as far south as Sopara.� Since no mention

is traceable of any inland

countries or towns between� the sea coast

and Deccan, it is clear that they must have taken a sea route.

 

Kittel� in his Kannada

English Dictionary gives a long list of Sanskrit words which seems

to have been

derived from Dravidian languages.

 

For eg., Matachi (Chandogya 1.10.1) occuring in the passage " matachi

hateshu Kurushu atikya saha jayaya ushastir , ha chakrayana� ibhya

�grame pradranaka uvasa "

 

The verse speaks of devastation of crops in Kuru country due

to matachi, which is nothing but locusts(red colored winged creatures)

(JRAS,1911, p 510), which is equivalent to midiche in Kannada or

midatha in

Telugu. (grasshopper or locust)� It is

astonishing that how a dravidian word is found in a purely north

Indian

Upanishad, which was supposed to have composed primarily in Punjab.

That some

explanations that� Dravidian languages

were present in NI prior to Aryanization, say as evidenced by the

language of

Brahuii does not explain this fact very well.�

This only can be explained by a) the antiquity of the Upanishads,

taking

them much before the times of IVC and b) the interaction between the

NI and SI.

 

 

The Aryan words or langauge supplanting in a �Dravidian country

rather superficially �can not be really argued because for eg., the

names

of even lowly goldsmiths or leather workers �in Bhattiprolu and

Amaravati inscriptions of

early periods were totally sanskrit names and not dravidian, as

evidenced by

the early inscriptions. �The names

mentioned are Siddhartha, Vriddhika , Naga, Kanha and so on.� One

curious thing happens here that Kanha, an

Aryan by name, calls himself a Damila (ASSI, I p 104) This shows

that Damila is

not a race distinct from Aryans.

 

Coupled this with the fact we find Pali inscriptions of much

early periods show that Aryans were settled in South India for a

very long time

than that is being thought today.� Pali was

in fact continued to be the official langauge in " dravidian "

kingdoms and this

shows that Pali was not a which was supplanted at a later date must

have been a

natural langauge of the area. �Here, we

are talking of Malavalli inscriptions, Karnataka by Chutukalanamda

satakarni of

Kadamba dynasty , king of Vaijayanti or Banavasi of North canarese

district,

Karnataka. Another king connected to this dynasty is Mulanamda ,

both of who

have issued coins. Jayavarman, Pallavan king of Kanchi issued copper

plate

grants in Pali language, as did Vijayadevavarman.

 

�

 

That fact that every one of these is a title deed and has

been drawn up in Pali shows that this Aryan langauge must have been

known not

only to officials but also to literate and semi literate people,

since these

grants went even to villagers and guards and cowherds.� By no

stretch of imagination, you can think

that these common people could understand a foreign language, thus

making Pali

a local and natural language in South India at that time.

 

 

--

Bhalchandra G. Thattey

Shubham Bhavatu

Svalpasya Yogasya Trayate Mahato Bhayat

 

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