Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, Namaskar! <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not divine? <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- only with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of amawas -- no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact he is called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against the current but achieving it. Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. Gautam Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born on a full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he died on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> That is the problem with " Vedic astrologers " . They fly off at a tangent! Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and useless? Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was born on Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on Chaturdashi! Were all those fake Avatars like our imported " Vamadevas " ? <They utilised it for well being of ppl > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's betterment, least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to " Vedic astrology " ! Most of the top-notch " Vedic astrologers " fell on bad days at the fag end of their " greatest achievements " . BVR is the latest example! Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone up in smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the good they have done to themselves, leave alone others? There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack etc. before hand! All hogwash! As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a common man. Dhanyavad. A K Kaul hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > dear grp . > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect us . > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud emulate .that > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as muni 's and > rishies in ancient india . > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat logic or > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it . > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was accidental .May b > megaplan of gods . > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by god ,even most of > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it . > > so b ready to recv good things . > > > > regrds sreedhar > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind > > ---------- > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but the > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -- it is > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far away. And > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are affected, > because eighty percent in you is ocean water. > > It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- only > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of amawas -- > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact he is > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against the > current but achieving it. > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. Gautam > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born on a > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he died > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence. > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the full moon > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the full moon > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is almost > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is almost > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is almost > double. The full moon night does something to the human psyche. The > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects you. Since > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the painters, the > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that something is > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the full moon > are hand in hand.... > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel and watch > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u can see > nothing is happening in the water in vessel . > > > > so how u explain it ?? > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ??? > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it . > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can reject it > outrightly . > > as it does not fit into my awareness . > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 kaulji If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day and it was v spl according to astronomers of the world other wise u r assuming everything did i say other thithies are bad or good ?? is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it . can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born on such and such thithi Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first of all u dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not paying for them for those who toil for it , so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the arguemnts that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or common world do not consider u or ur claims . if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims and accept my defeat . just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all . regrds sreedhar nambiar , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > jyotirved@ wrote:> > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> Namaskar!> <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently >> > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not divine? > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- only> with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the> full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of amawas --> no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact he is> called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great> warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against the> current but achieving it.> > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. Gautam> Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born on a> full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he died> on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.>> > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly off at a > tangent!> Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and useless? > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was born on > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on > Chaturdashi!> Were all those fake Avatars like our imported "Vamadevas"?> > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's betterment, > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to celebrate > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to "Vedic > astrology"!> Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad days at the fag > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest example! > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone up in > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the good > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack etc. > before hand! All hogwash!> As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a common > man.> Dhanyavad.> A K Kaul> > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar" > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> >> > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > > dear grp .> > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect us .> > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud > emulate .that> > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as muni 's > and> > rishies in ancient india .> > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat logic or> > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it .> > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was accidental .May b> > megaplan of gods .> > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by god ,even > most of> > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was> > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar> > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > > ----------> > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but the> > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -- it > is> > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far away. > And> > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are affected,> > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > > It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- > only> > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the> > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of amawas --> > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact he > is> > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great> > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against the> > current but achieving it.> > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. Gautam> > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born on > a> > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he > died> > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the full > moon> > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the full > moon> > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is almost> > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is almost> > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is almost> > double. The full moon night does something to the human psyche. The> > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects you. > Since> > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the painters, > the> > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that something > is> > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the full > moon> > are hand in hand....> > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel and > watch> > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u can see> > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > > > > > > so how u explain it ??> > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ???> > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can reject > it> > outrightly .> > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .> >> > --- End forwarded message ---> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, Namaskar! < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day and it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have (deviouis) " brains " through which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted when, even if the poster has not mentioned anything about the same! Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon is just like another day for them, with the only difference that there are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night. <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars can incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the other tithis! <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct> If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to express their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad " Vedic astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher " till date as to what my subject is or is not! <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life " is to prove as to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire Hindu community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome " itself shows that I am succeeding in my efforts! <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born on such and such thithi> All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama the Budha was born on a Full Moon night! < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or natural calamity> On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to the hilt but at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such thing! <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims and accept my defeat.> Glad to know that! <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology " With regards, A K Kaul , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar wrote: > > > > > kaulji > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day and > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world > > > > other wise u r assuming everything > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ?? > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u continue > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it . > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born on > such and such thithi > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first of all u > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not paying for > them for those who toil for it , > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the arguemnts > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or common > world do not consider u or ur claims . > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims and > accept my defeat . > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all . > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > Namaskar! > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not divine? > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- only > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of amawas -- > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact he is > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against the > > current but achieving it. > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. Gautam > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born on a > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he died > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > > That is the problem with " Vedic astrologers " . They fly off at a > > tangent! > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and useless? > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was born on > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on > > Chaturdashi! > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported " Vamadevas " ? > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's betterment, > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to celebrate > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to " Vedic > > astrology " ! > > Most of the top-notch " Vedic astrologers " fell on bad days at the fag > > end of their " greatest achievements " . BVR is the latest example! > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone up in > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the good > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others? > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack etc. > > before hand! All hogwash! > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a common > > man. > > Dhanyavad. > > A K Kaul > > > > > > hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear grp . > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect us . > > > > > > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud > > emulate .that > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as muni 's > > and > > > rishies in ancient india . > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat logic or > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it . > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was accidental .May b > > > megaplan of gods . > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by god ,even > > most of > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it . > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar > > > > > > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but the > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -- it > > is > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far away. > > And > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are affected, > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water. > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- > > only > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of amawas -- > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact he > > is > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against the > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. Gautam > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born on > > a > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he > > died > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence. > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the full > > moon > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the full > > moon > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is almost > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is almost > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is almost > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human psyche. The > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects you. > > Since > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the painters, > > the > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that something > > is > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the full > > moon > > > are hand in hand.... > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel and > > watch > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u can see > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel . > > > > > > > > > > > > so how u explain it ?? > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ??? > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it . > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can reject > > it > > > outrightly . > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness . > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Kaul ji sure u r very well free to express ur opinions but u r not allowed to force ur agenda into some one by calling names or humilaiting or even approaching with pre set ideas and plans . when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer me ,even the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i dont know reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not working in Lab conditions other wise how any one can proov it .As a policy of our grp even if millions exprnced it we shud reject it right ??if we r scientific is it not . U urself is saying there is no valid proof of thithies this avatars born or any events of religion nature Like sri ram s victory or narakasura mardanam etc .then again next breath u r saying there is no vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or calculate thithies etc .Then can u tell me what u r after ?? To make us accept the nasa calender ?? even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any celebrations we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity which is not available to ur calender .so i dont think i can celebrate it even if i accept it And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose only and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing lot of yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre or even accuracy of predictions . if u learned it pls answer me some doubts of mine then i can blv u and ur eleigibility to talk against or pro abt astrology . regrds sreedhar nambiar , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> Namaskar!> < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day and> it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>> It is only "Vedic astrologers" who have (deviouis) "brains" through > which they can "foresee" as to which mail was posted when, even if > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!> Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon is > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.> > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>> > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars can > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > other tithis!> <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct>> > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to express > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad "Vedic > astrologer" since you have not been able to "decipher" till date as > to what my subject is or is not!> <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > it .>> That is exactly what I am doing! My "purpose of life" is to prove as > to how on the shoulders of "Vedic astrology" the entire Hindu > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > muhurtas on wrong days! And your "Full Moon syndrome" itself shows > that I am succeeding in my efforts!> > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born on> such and such thithi>> All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama the > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!> < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or> natural calamity>> On the one hand you are defending "Vedic astrology" to the hilt but > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > thing! > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > and accept my defeat.>> > Glad to know that!> <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > you will have to bid adieu to "Vedic astrology"> With regards,> A K Kaul> > > > > > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar" > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > kaulji> > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > and> > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything> > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > continue> > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born > on> > such and such thithi> > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or> > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first of > all u> > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > paying for> > them for those who toil for it ,> > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the arguemnts> > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or > common> > world do not consider u or ur claims .> > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > and> > accept my defeat .> > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .> > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > >> > > hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > >> > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > Namaskar!> > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently >> > >> > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not > divine?> > >> > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- > only> > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the> > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > amawas --> > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact > he is> > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great> > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against > the> > > current but achieving it.> > >> > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > Gautam> > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born > on a> > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he > died> > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.>> > >> > > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly off at a> > > tangent!> > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and useless?> > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was born > on> > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on> > > Chaturdashi!> > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported "Vamadevas"?> > >> > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's betterment,> > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to celebrate> > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to "Vedic> > > astrology"!> > > Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad days at the > fag> > > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest example!> > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone up > in> > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the good> > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > >> > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever> > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack > etc.> > > before hand! All hogwash!> > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a common> > > man.> > > Dhanyavad.> > > A K Kaul> > >> > >> > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > dear grp .> > > >> > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect > us .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud> > > emulate .that> > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as > muni 's> > > and> > > > rishies in ancient india .> > > >> > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat logic > or> > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it .> > > >> > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was > accidental .May b> > > > megaplan of gods .> > > >> > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by god ,even> > > most of> > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was> > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > >> > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sreedhar> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > >> > > > ----------> > > >> > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but the> > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -- > it> > > is> > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far > away.> > > And> > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are > affected,> > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > >> > > > It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened --> > > only> > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on > the> > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > amawas --> > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > fact he> > > is> > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great> > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > against the> > > > current but achieving it.> > > >> > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > Gautam> > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > born on> > > a> > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, > he> > > died> > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > >> > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the full> > > moon> > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the full> > > moon> > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is > almost> > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is > almost> > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is > almost> > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human psyche. > The> > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects you.> > > Since> > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the > painters,> > > the> > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that > something> > > is> > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the full> > > moon> > > > are hand in hand....> > > >> > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel and> > > watch> > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u can > see> > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so how u explain it ??> > > >> > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ???> > > >> > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > >> > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can > reject> > > it> > > > outrightly .> > > >> > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .> > > >> > >> > > --- End forwarded message ---> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, Namaskar! <when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer me ,even the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i dont know reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not working in Lab conditions other wise how any one can proov it .> This is a surprising statement, but something that I have become used to since almost all the " Vedic astrologers " talk in the same vein! They claim having proved/explained something which no scientist had ever been able to prove/explain! You are very sanguine that people become lunatics on Full Moon nights! Do you mean to say that nobody has ever gone made on any other tithi? Why do you foget that there are ebbs and tides on other days also besides Full Moons? Then again, it is not only on Full Moons that people have become enlighened! For that matter, has every Budhist monk got enlightenment on Full Moon only? <then again next breath u r saying there is no vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or calculate thithies etc .> You are deliberately twisting my statements, again ---- like all the " Vedic astrologers " . The fact of the matter is that tithis were prevailing right from the Rigveda! So were the adhika masa! We have also the most indigenous astronomical work which tells us as to how to calculate mean tithi etc. Yes, it is a fact that the Vedic Seers were not astro-buffs, unlike impostor Vamadevas! That is why the Seers were not interested in planetary longitudes, especially with respect to the non-existent Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis! <even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any celebrations we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity which is not available to ur calender .so i dont think i can celebrate it even if iaccept it> Obviously, you do not want to celebrate them on proper days because of your fatal infatuation with " Vedic astrology " . You have no idea that Puranas talk of so called Sayana Rashis! Or is it that you are deliberately ignoring those statements also? < And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose only and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing lot of yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre or even accuracy of predictions.> Your " experience " is like that of millions of other " Vedic astrologers " ---they make " correct predictions " (sic!) from thousands of Ayanamshas, which is actually impossible, since if one ayanamsha is correct all the rest of them are incorrect! BVR also claimed to make correct predictions--from an entirely different ayanamsh! Same was the claim of his redoubtable daughter Gayatri Devi Vasudev! And you know the fate of them all! Similar is also the claim of " Raman of North " viz. KNR! He has now disowned Vedic astrology completely, realizing his mistake at the fag end of his life! I have read quite a few predictions of all of them! Extremely few, if any, predictions have proved correct---which may just be a sheer chance! Your statement, " interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing lot of yrs " is very interesting! Most of the " learned astrologers " are themselves convinced that " Vedic astrology " is a fifty-fifty chance! But they do not want to " divulge " that secret to anybody! Aakhir paapi pet ka saval jo hai! You are blissfully unaware of the fact that astronomically it is impossible for there being twelve exact and equal " compatements " which astrologers call Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis---especially the so called nirayana ones since the " Vedic asrologers " themselves do not know which imaginary division starts from which imaginary point! As such, pl. do some real homework and just get rid of your fatal infatuation with the non-existent Vedic astrology and be true to your dharma! Dhanayavad. A K Kaul , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar wrote: > > > > > Kaul ji > > > > sure u r very well free to express ur opinions but u r not allowed to > force ur agenda into some one by calling names or humilaiting or even > approaching with pre set ideas and plans . > > when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely > intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the > scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer me ,even > the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i dont know > reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not working in Lab > conditions other wise how any one can proov it .As a policy of our grp > even if millions exprnced it we shud reject it right ??if we r > scientific is it not . > > U urself is saying there is no valid proof of thithies this avatars > born or any events of religion nature Like sri ram s victory or > narakasura mardanam etc .then again next breath u r saying there is no > vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or > calculate thithies etc .Then can u tell me what u r after ?? To make us > accept the nasa calender ?? > > > > even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any celebrations > we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity which is not > available to ur calender .so i dont think i can celebrate it even if i > accept it > > > > And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose only > and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my > interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing lot of > yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre or > even accuracy of predictions . > > if u learned it pls answer me some doubts of mine then i can blv u and > ur eleigibility to talk against or pro abt astrology . > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > Namaskar! > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day and > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have (deviouis) " brains " through > > which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted when, even if > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same! > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon is > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night. > > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars can > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > > other tithis! > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct> > > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to express > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad " Vedic > > astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher " till date as > > to what my subject is or is not! > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > > it .> > > That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life " is to prove as > > to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire Hindu > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome " itself shows > > that I am succeeding in my efforts! > > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born on > > such and such thithi> > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama the > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night! > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or > > natural calamity> > > On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to the hilt but > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > > thing! > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and accept my defeat.> > > > > Glad to know that! > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > > you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology " > > With regards, > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaulji > > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > > and > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world > > > > > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything > > > > > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ?? > > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > > continue > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it . > > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born > > on > > > such and such thithi > > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first of > > all u > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > > paying for > > > them for those who toil for it , > > > > > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the arguemnts > > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or > > common > > > world do not consider u or ur claims . > > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and > > > accept my defeat . > > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently > > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not > > divine? > > > > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- > > only > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > amawas -- > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact > > he is > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against > > the > > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > Gautam > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born > > on a > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he > > died > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > > > > > > That is the problem with " Vedic astrologers " . They fly off at a > > > > tangent! > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and useless? > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was born > > on > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on > > > > Chaturdashi! > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported " Vamadevas " ? > > > > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl > > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's betterment, > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to celebrate > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to " Vedic > > > > astrology " ! > > > > Most of the top-notch " Vedic astrologers " fell on bad days at the > > fag > > > > end of their " greatest achievements " . BVR is the latest example! > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone up > > in > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the good > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others? > > > > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack > > etc. > > > > before hand! All hogwash! > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a common > > > > man. > > > > Dhanyavad. > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp . > > > > > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect > > us . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud > > > > emulate .that > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as > > muni 's > > > > and > > > > > rishies in ancient india . > > > > > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat logic > > or > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it . > > > > > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was > > accidental .May b > > > > > megaplan of gods . > > > > > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by god ,even > > > > most of > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it . > > > > > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but the > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -- > > it > > > > is > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far > > away. > > > > And > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are > > affected, > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water. > > > > > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- > > > > only > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on > > the > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > amawas -- > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > > fact he > > > > is > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > > against the > > > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > Gautam > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > > born on > > > > a > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, > > he > > > > died > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence. > > > > > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the full > > > > moon > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the full > > > > moon > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is > > almost > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is > > almost > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is > > almost > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human psyche. > > The > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects you. > > > > Since > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the > > painters, > > > > the > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that > > something > > > > is > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the full > > > > moon > > > > > are hand in hand.... > > > > > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel and > > > > watch > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u can > > see > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so how u explain it ?? > > > > > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ??? > > > > > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it . > > > > > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can > > reject > > > > it > > > > > outrightly . > > > > > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness . > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji, Namaskar, Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is just like another day for them, with the only difference that there are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<< I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with full moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is near to the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract water and not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and matte of the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide-ebb may be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational cycle around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some full Moon night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night) comparing to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to the Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of some astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant clients. Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji, Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers, because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown? Regarding your comments <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging our views with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please have some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support of his stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will that any one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is bent upon to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to socalled defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such personal ego. I hope every member will just share their views, as I am sharing my views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of individual to think on logic and decide his future action either on logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no defeat or win concept but simply exchange of logical views. " For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set and I will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of snakes are poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my house. " in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are free to observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to share our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has thinking that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on some logical information then it is only a blindfaith. Hence continue to share your views but never take it personally. Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but without any logic. They just want to believe because some one has molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up. Thanks Yours truly, Sanat PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their views on any point. , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > Namaskar! > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day and > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have (deviouis) " brains " through > which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted when, even if > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same! > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon is > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night. > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars can > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > other tithis! > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct> > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to express > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad " Vedic > astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher " till date as > to what my subject is or is not! > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > it .> > That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life " is to prove as > to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire Hindu > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome " itself shows > that I am succeeding in my efforts! > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born on > such and such thithi> > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama the > Budha was born on a Full Moon night! > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or > natural calamity> > On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to the hilt but > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > thing! > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > and accept my defeat.> > > Glad to know that! > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology " > With regards, > A K Kaul > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > kaulji > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > and > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ?? > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > continue > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it . > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born > on > > such and such thithi > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami or > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first of > all u > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > paying for > > them for those who toil for it , > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the arguemnts > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or > common > > world do not consider u or ur claims . > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > and > > accept my defeat . > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all . > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > > Namaskar! > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not > divine? > > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened - - > only > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > amawas -- > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact > he is > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against > the > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > Gautam > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born > on a > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he > died > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > > > > That is the problem with " Vedic astrologers " . They fly off at a > > > tangent! > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and useless? > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was born > on > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on > > > Chaturdashi! > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported " Vamadevas " ? > > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's betterment, > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to celebrate > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to " Vedic > > > astrology " ! > > > Most of the top-notch " Vedic astrologers " fell on bad days at the > fag > > > end of their " greatest achievements " . BVR is the latest example! > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone up > in > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the good > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others? > > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack > etc. > > > before hand! All hogwash! > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a common > > > man. > > > Dhanyavad. > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp . > > > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect > us . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud > > > emulate .that > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as > muni 's > > > and > > > > rishies in ancient india . > > > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat logic > or > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it . > > > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was > accidental .May b > > > > megaplan of gods . > > > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by god ,even > > > most of > > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it . > > > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but the > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean - - > it > > > is > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far > away. > > > And > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are > affected, > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water. > > > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- > > > only > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on > the > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > amawas -- > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > fact he > > > is > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > against the > > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > Gautam > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > born on > > > a > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, > he > > > died > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence. > > > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the full > > > moon > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the full > > > moon > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is > almost > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is > almost > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is > almost > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human psyche. > The > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects you. > > > Since > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the > painters, > > > the > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that > something > > > is > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the full > > > moon > > > > are hand in hand.... > > > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel and > > > watch > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u can > see > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so how u explain it ?? > > > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ??? > > > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it . > > > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can > reject > > > it > > > > outrightly . > > > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness . > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Re: Fwd: Full Moon Night dear Kaul ji 1)They claim having proved/explained something which no scientist hadever been able to prove/explain! I asked to proov u and ur cronies to proov tides scientificaly ( which is ur another pet foolish word ) on table top in a lab conditions ( pls re read messge and the more u read u will get more illumination ) that it is caused by moon .Can u point out one word which i said other thithies doesnt cause it ? 2)You are very sanguine that people become lunatics on Full Moonnights! Do you mean to say that nobody has ever gone made on anyother tithi? The burden of proof in on u too proov other thithies also equaly share with full moon days ( i mean the percentage of madness ,) 3)enlightenment on Full Moon only? simple statemnts wont b treated as proof ,u proov it other wise that full moon is general like other days 4)The fact of the matter is that tithis wereprevailing right from the Rigveda! So were the adhika masa! We havealso the most indigenous astronomical work which tells us as to howto calculate mean tithi etc. proov me how they calculated and which is this astronomical work now u says .otherwise u always claims vedic seers dont know any thing till xians came to india and some 200 yrs ago Nasa strted giving out all datas and same time u folowed it with ur nasha calender which says celebrate all unprooved festivals on wrong data by u .( u cannot date it --u r just acting like a mimicry artist than showing real valid points ) 5) if one ayanamshais correct all the rest of them are incorrect! sure ,but it is personal level , all the billions ppl in world walk diffrntly ,talk diffrntly look diffrntly ,so there is some thing called individual level of awareness .I am least bothered abt ayanamsa problems which ever suits to me and giv correctness i will follow . but u can bother abt it .as there is plenty of pre paid time availble with u 6)But they do not want to "divulge" that secret toanybody! sure ,it is natural even US dont like others doing atomic nuclear experimnts and or getting that knowledge than their controlled way .Now even strted intelectual property rights anti piracay etc .what for all this if they r supposed to come and proov to u and disclose to as u r asking questions in some grps .Or u wont agree it ,did they care u ?? 7)You are blissfully unaware of the fact that astronomically it isimpossible for there being twelve exact and equal "compatements"which astrologers call Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis U r blissfully unaware that Nakshtra is also similar and more finer in the divisions than rasies .Nakshtra padas r again more finer divisions ,and so on .And the division is mathematical where indians were leading in world .So How i can improve ur unwillingness to see real facts .i am seeing nth mail on this to u by many many many ppl and u think by keeping on nagging and by being adamnt , they will go away one day even if he is einstein and that day u r a winner in ur foolish paradise ,so it is ur basic problem .No cure for it . even u dont know or u prooved why muhurtha is used if there is no concept of good and badness of time frame .And it is applicble with futre effect .even u never prooved ur idea abt muhurtha in vedas and how some one can calculate it .And use it . 8)BVR also claimed ,/KNR! He has now disownedVedic astrology completely All this has nothing to do with me ,even i dont know rao ji disowned vedic astrology . 9)just get rid of your fatalinfatuation with the non-existent Vedic astrology and be true to yourdharma! I am advising u to get rid of ur ignorence . regrds sreedhar nambiar , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> Namaskar!> <when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely> intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the> scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer > me ,even the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i > dont know reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not > working in Lab conditions other wise how any one can proov it .>> > This is a surprising statement, but something that I have become used > to since almost all the "Vedic astrologers" talk in the same vein! > They claim having proved/explained something which no scientist had > ever been able to prove/explain!> > You are very sanguine that people become lunatics on Full Moon > nights! Do you mean to say that nobody has ever gone made on any > other tithi?> Why do you foget that there are ebbs and tides on other days also > besides Full Moons? > Then again, it is not only on Full Moons that people have become > enlighened! For that matter, has every Budhist monk got > enlightenment on Full Moon only?> > <then again next breath u r saying there is no> vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or> calculate thithies etc .>> You are deliberately twisting my statements, again ---- like all > the "Vedic astrologers". The fact of the matter is that tithis were > prevailing right from the Rigveda! So were the adhika masa! We have > also the most indigenous astronomical work which tells us as to how > to calculate mean tithi etc.> Yes, it is a fact that the Vedic Seers were not astro-buffs, unlike > impostor Vamadevas! That is why the Seers were not interested in > planetary longitudes, especially with respect to the non-existent> Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis!> > <even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any > celebrations we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity > which is not available to ur calender .so i dont think i can > celebrate it even if iaccept it> > Obviously, you do not want to celebrate them on proper days because > of your fatal infatuation with "Vedic astrology".> You have no idea that Puranas talk of so called Sayana Rashis! Or is > it that you are deliberately ignoring those statements also?> > < And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose > only and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my> interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing lot > of yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre > or even accuracy of predictions.>> > Your "experience" is like that of millions of other "Vedic > astrologers"---they make "correct predictions" (sic!) from thousands > of Ayanamshas, which is actually impossible, since if one ayanamsha > is correct all the rest of them are incorrect!> BVR also claimed to make correct predictions--from an entirely > different ayanamsh! Same was the claim of his redoubtable daughter > Gayatri Devi Vasudev! And you know the fate of them all! Similar is > also the claim of "Raman of North" viz. KNR! He has now disowned > Vedic astrology completely, realizing his mistake at the fag end of > his life! I have read quite a few predictions of all of them! > Extremely few, if any, predictions have proved correct---which may > just be a sheer chance!> Your statement,"interaction with good astrologers who realy studied > it investing lot of yrs" is very interesting! Most of the "learned > astrologers" are themselves convinced that "Vedic astrology" is a > fifty-fifty chance! But they do not want to "divulge" that secret to > anybody! Aakhir paapi pet ka saval jo hai!> You are blissfully unaware of the fact that astronomically it is > impossible for there being twelve exact and equal "compatements" > which astrologers call Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis---especially the so > called nirayana ones since the "Vedic asrologers" themselves do not > know which imaginary division starts from which imaginary point!> > As such, pl. do some real homework and just get rid of your fatal > infatuation with the non-existent Vedic astrology and be true to your > dharma!> Dhanayavad.> A K Kaul> > > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar" > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Kaul ji> > > > > > > > sure u r very well free to express ur opinions but u r not allowed > to> > force ur agenda into some one by calling names or humilaiting or > even> > approaching with pre set ideas and plans .> > > > when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely> > intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the> > scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer > me ,even> > the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i dont > know> > reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not working > in Lab> > conditions other wise how any one can proov it .As a policy of our > grp> > even if millions exprnced it we shud reject it right ??if we r> > scientific is it not .> > > > U urself is saying there is no valid proof of thithies this > avatars> > born or any events of religion nature Like sri ram s victory or> > narakasura mardanam etc .then again next breath u r saying there is > no> > vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or> > calculate thithies etc .Then can u tell me what u r after ?? To > make us> > accept the nasa calender ??> > > > > > > > even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any > celebrations> > we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity which is not> > available to ur calender .so i dont think i can celebrate it even > if i> > accept it> > > > > > > > And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose > only> > and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my> > interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing > lot of> > yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre or> > even accuracy of predictions .> > > > if u learned it pls answer me some doubts of mine then i can blv u > and> > ur eleigibility to talk against or pro abt astrology .> > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > >> > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > Namaskar!> > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > day and> > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>> > > It is only "Vedic astrologers" who have (deviouis) "brains" > through> > > which they can "foresee" as to which mail was posted when, even if> > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!> > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon > is> > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that > there> > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.> > >> > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>> > >> > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars > can> > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the> > > other tithis!> > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct>> > >> > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to > express> > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad "Vedic> > > astrologer" since you have not been able to "decipher" till date > as> > > to what my subject is or is not!> > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call> > > it .>> > > That is exactly what I am doing! My "purpose of life" is to prove > as> > > to how on the shoulders of "Vedic astrology" the entire Hindu> > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and> > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your "Full Moon syndrome" itself shows> > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!> > >> > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born on> > > such and such thithi>> > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama > the> > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!> > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > Tsunami or> > > natural calamity>> > > On the one hand you are defending "Vedic astrology" to the hilt > but> > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such> > > thing!> > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims> > > and accept my defeat.>> > >> > > Glad to know that!> > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose> > > you will have to bid adieu to "Vedic astrology"> > > With regards,> > > A K Kaul> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > kaulji> > > >> > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day> > > and> > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > other wise u r assuming everything> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > >> > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u> > > continue> > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> > > >> > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born> > > on> > > > such and such thithi> > > >> > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > Tsunami or> > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first > of> > > all u> > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not> > > paying for> > > > them for those who toil for it ,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the > arguemnts> > > >> > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual > or> > > common> > > > world do not consider u or ur claims .> > > >> > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur > claims> > > and> > > > accept my defeat .> > > >> > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > > Namaskar!> > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned > accidently >> > > > >> > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not> > > divine?> > > > >> > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become > enlightened --> > > only> > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened > on the> > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of> > > amawas --> > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > fact> > > he is> > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > great> > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > against> > > the> > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > >> > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon.> > > Gautam> > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > born> > > on a> > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > night, he> > > died> > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.>> > > > >> > > > > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly off at > a> > > > > tangent!> > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and > useless?> > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was > born> > > on> > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on> > > > > Chaturdashi!> > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported "Vamadevas"?> > > > >> > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's > betterment,> > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to > celebrate> > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to "Vedic> > > > > astrology"!> > > > > Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad days at > the> > > fag> > > > > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest > example!> > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone > up> > > in> > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the > good> > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > > > >> > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet > ever> > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror > attack> > > etc.> > > > > before hand! All hogwash!> > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a > common> > > > > man.> > > > > Dhanyavad.> > > > > A K Kaul> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear grp .> > > > > >> > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets > affect> > > us .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud> > > > > emulate .that> > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as> > > muni 's> > > > > and> > > > > > rishies in ancient india .> > > > > >> > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat > logic> > > or> > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel > it .> > > > > >> > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was> > > accidental .May b> > > > > > megaplan of gods .> > > > > >> > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by > god ,even> > > > > most of> > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing > was> > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > > > >> > > > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sreedhar> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > > > >> > > > > > ----------> > > > > >> > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . > but the> > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the > ocean --> > > it> > > > > is> > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far> > > away.> > > > > And> > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are> > > affected,> > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > > > >> > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become > enlightened --> > > > > only> > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened > on> > > the> > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of> > > amawas --> > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this> > > fact he> > > > > is> > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > great> > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going> > > against the> > > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full > moon.> > > Gautam> > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was> > > born on> > > > > a> > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > night,> > > he> > > > > died> > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > > >> > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the > full> > > > > moon> > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the > full> > > > > moon> > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is> > > almost> > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is> > > almost> > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is> > > almost> > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human > psyche.> > > The> > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects > you.> > > > > Since> > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the> > > painters,> > > > > the> > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that> > > something> > > > > is> > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the > full> > > > > moon> > > > > > are hand in hand....> > > > > >> > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big > vessel and> > > > > watch> > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u > can> > > see> > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > so how u explain it ??> > > > > >> > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl > then ???> > > > > >> > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > > > >> > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can> > > reject> > > > > it> > > > > > outrightly .> > > > > >> > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 dear sanat ji Thanks for ur post if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and tides happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can notattract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers,because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, whichis not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glasswhich is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown? This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if it is moon then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or cant blv unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun . Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of moon is another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected by moon ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time kujnthu hetu ---- hope now u got my point as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is fooling .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some thing means pppl r fooled for 1000 yrs regrds sreedhar Nambiar , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji,> Namaskar,> Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<<> I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with full > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is near to > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract water and > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and matte of > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide-ebb may > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational cycle > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some full Moon > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night) comparing > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to the > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of some > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant clients. > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji,> > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers, > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> > Regarding your comments > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging our views > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please have > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support of his > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will that any > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is bent upon > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to socalled > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such personal ego. > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am sharing my > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of > individual to think on logic and decide his future action either on > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no defeat or win > concept but simply exchange of logical views.> "For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set and I> will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of snakes are> poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my house. "> in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are free to > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to share > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has thinking > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on some > logical information then it is only a blindfaith.> Hence continue to share your views but never take it personally. > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but > without any logic. They just want to believe because some one has > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up.> Thanks> Yours truly, > Sanat> PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their views > on any point.> > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > jyotirved@ wrote:> >> > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > Namaskar!> > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > and> > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>> > It is only "Vedic astrologers" who have (deviouis) "brains" through > > which they can "foresee" as to which mail was posted when, even if > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!> > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon is > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.> > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>> > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars > can > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > > other tithis!> > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct>> > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to express > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad "Vedic > > astrologer" since you have not been able to "decipher" till date as > > to what my subject is or is not!> > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > > it .>> > That is exactly what I am doing! My "purpose of life" is to prove > as > > to how on the shoulders of "Vedic astrology" the entire Hindu > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your "Full Moon syndrome" itself shows > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!> > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born > on> > such and such thithi>> > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama the > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!> > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami > or> > natural calamity>> > On the one hand you are defending "Vedic astrology" to the hilt but > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > > thing! > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and accept my defeat.>> > > > Glad to know that!> > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > > you will have to bid adieu to "Vedic astrology"> > With regards,> > A K Kaul> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar" > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > kaulji> > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > day > > and> > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything> > > > > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > > continue> > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born > > on> > > such and such thithi> > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami > or> > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first > of > > all u> > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > > paying for> > > them for those who toil for it ,> > > > > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the > arguemnts> > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or > > common> > > world do not consider u or ur claims .> > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and> > > accept my defeat .> > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > >> > > > hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > Namaskar!> > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently > >> > > >> > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not > > divine?> > > >> > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -> - > > only> > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on > the> > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > amawas --> > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > fact > > he is> > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great> > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > against > > the> > > > current but achieving it.> > > >> > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > Gautam> > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > born > > on a> > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, > he > > died> > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.>> > > >> > > > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly off at a> > > > tangent!> > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and > useless?> > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was > born > > on> > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on> > > > Chaturdashi!> > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported "Vamadevas"?> > > >> > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's > betterment,> > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to > celebrate> > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to "Vedic> > > > astrology"!> > > > Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad days at > the > > fag> > > > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest example!> > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone > up > > in> > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the > good> > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > > >> > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever> > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack > > etc.> > > > before hand! All hogwash!> > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a > common> > > > man.> > > > Dhanyavad.> > > > A K Kaul> > > >> > > >> > > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear grp .> > > > >> > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect > > us .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud> > > > emulate .that> > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as > > muni 's> > > > and> > > > > rishies in ancient india .> > > > >> > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat > logic > > or> > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it .> > > > >> > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was > > accidental .May b> > > > > megaplan of gods .> > > > >> > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by > god ,even> > > > most of> > > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was> > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > > >> > > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sreedhar> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > > >> > > > > ----------> > > > >> > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but > the> > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -> - > > it> > > > is> > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far > > away.> > > > And> > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are > > affected,> > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > > >> > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become > enlightened --> > > > only> > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened > on > > the> > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > amawas --> > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > > fact he> > > > is> > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > great> > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > > against the> > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > >> > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > Gautam> > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > > born on> > > > a> > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > night, > > he> > > > died> > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > >> > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the > full> > > > moon> > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the > full> > > > moon> > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is > > almost> > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is > > almost> > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is > > almost> > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human > psyche. > > The> > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects > you.> > > > Since> > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the > > painters,> > > > the> > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that > > something> > > > is> > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the > full> > > > moon> > > > > are hand in hand....> > > > >> > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel > and> > > > watch> > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u > can > > see> > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > so how u explain it ??> > > > >> > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ???> > > > >> > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > > >> > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can > > reject> > > > it> > > > > outrightly .> > > > >> > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .> > > > >> > > >> > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 dear sanat ji Thanks for ur post if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and tides happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can notattract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers,because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, whichis not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glasswhich is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown? This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if it is moon then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or cant blv unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun . Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of moon is another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected by moon ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time kujnthu hetu ---- hope now u got my point as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is fooling .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs regrds sreedhar Nambiar , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji,> Namaskar,> Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<<> I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with full > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is near to > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract water and > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and matte of > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide-ebb may > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational cycle > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some full Moon > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night) comparing > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to the > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of some > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant clients. > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji,> > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers, > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> > Regarding your comments > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging our views > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please have > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support of his > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will that any > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is bent upon > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to socalled > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such personal ego. > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am sharing my > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of > individual to think on logic and decide his future action either on > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no defeat or win > concept but simply exchange of logical views.> "For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set and I> will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of snakes are> poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my house. "> in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are free to > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to share > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has thinking > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on some > logical information then it is only a blindfaith.> Hence continue to share your views but never take it personally. > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but > without any logic. They just want to believe because some one has > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up.> Thanks> Yours truly, > Sanat> PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their views > on any point.> > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > jyotirved@ wrote:> >> > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > Namaskar!> > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > and> > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>> > It is only "Vedic astrologers" who have (deviouis) "brains" through > > which they can "foresee" as to which mail was posted when, even if > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!> > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon is > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.> > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>> > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars > can > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > > other tithis!> > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct>> > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to express > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad "Vedic > > astrologer" since you have not been able to "decipher" till date as > > to what my subject is or is not!> > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > > it .>> > That is exactly what I am doing! My "purpose of life" is to prove > as > > to how on the shoulders of "Vedic astrology" the entire Hindu > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your "Full Moon syndrome" itself shows > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!> > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born > on> > such and such thithi>> > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama the > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!> > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami > or> > natural calamity>> > On the one hand you are defending "Vedic astrology" to the hilt but > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > > thing! > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and accept my defeat.>> > > > Glad to know that!> > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > > you will have to bid adieu to "Vedic astrology"> > With regards,> > A K Kaul> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar" > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > kaulji> > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > day > > and> > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything> > > > > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > > continue> > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born > > on> > > such and such thithi> > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami > or> > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first > of > > all u> > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > > paying for> > > them for those who toil for it ,> > > > > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the > arguemnts> > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or > > common> > > world do not consider u or ur claims .> > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and> > > accept my defeat .> > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > >> > > > hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > Namaskar!> > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently > >> > > >> > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not > > divine?> > > >> > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -> - > > only> > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on > the> > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > amawas --> > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > fact > > he is> > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great> > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > against > > the> > > > current but achieving it.> > > >> > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > Gautam> > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > born > > on a> > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, > he > > died> > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.>> > > >> > > > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly off at a> > > > tangent!> > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and > useless?> > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was > born > > on> > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on> > > > Chaturdashi!> > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported "Vamadevas"?> > > >> > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's > betterment,> > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to > celebrate> > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to "Vedic> > > > astrology"!> > > > Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad days at > the > > fag> > > > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest example!> > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone > up > > in> > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the > good> > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > > >> > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever> > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack > > etc.> > > > before hand! All hogwash!> > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a > common> > > > man.> > > > Dhanyavad.> > > > A K Kaul> > > >> > > >> > > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear grp .> > > > >> > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect > > us .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud> > > > emulate .that> > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as > > muni 's> > > > and> > > > > rishies in ancient india .> > > > >> > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat > logic > > or> > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it .> > > > >> > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was > > accidental .May b> > > > > megaplan of gods .> > > > >> > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by > god ,even> > > > most of> > > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was> > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > > >> > > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sreedhar> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > > >> > > > > ----------> > > > >> > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but > the> > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -> - > > it> > > > is> > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far > > away.> > > > And> > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are > > affected,> > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > > >> > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become > enlightened --> > > > only> > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened > on > > the> > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > amawas --> > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > > fact he> > > > is> > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > great> > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > > against the> > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > >> > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > Gautam> > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > > born on> > > > a> > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > night, > > he> > > > died> > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > >> > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the > full> > > > moon> > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the > full> > > > moon> > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is > > almost> > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is > > almost> > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is > > almost> > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human > psyche. > > The> > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects > you.> > > > Since> > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the > > painters,> > > > the> > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that > > something> > > > is> > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the > full> > > > moon> > > > > are hand in hand....> > > > >> > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel > and> > > > watch> > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u > can > > see> > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > so how u explain it ??> > > > >> > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ???> > > > >> > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > > >> > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can > > reject> > > > it> > > > > outrightly .> > > > >> > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .> > > > >> > > >> > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar wrote: dear Kaul ji 1)They claim having proved/explained something which no scientist had ever been able to prove/explain! I asked to proov u and ur cronies to proov tides scientificaly ( which is ur another pet foolish word ) on table top in a lab conditions ( pls re read messge and the more u read u will get more illumination ) that it is caused by moon .Can u point out one word which i said other thithies doesnt cause it ? 2)You are very sanguine that people become lunatics on Full Moon nights! Do you mean to say that nobody has ever gone made on any other tithi? The burden of proof in on u too proov other thithies also equaly share with full moon days ( i mean the percentage of madness ,) 3)enlightenment on Full Moon only? simple statemnts wont b treated as proof ,u proov it other wise that full moon is general like other days 4)The fact of the matter is that tithis were prevailing right from the Rigveda! So were the adhika masa! We have also the most indigenous astronomical work which tells us as to how to calculate mean tithi etc. proov me how they calculated and which is this astronomical work now u says .otherwise u always claims vedic seers dont know any thing till xians came to india and some 200 yrs ago Nasa strted giving out all datas and same time u folowed it with ur nasha calender which says celebrate all unprooved festivals on wrong data by u .( u cannot date it --u r just acting like a mimicry artist than showing real valid points ) 5) if one ayanamsha is correct all the rest of them are incorrect! sure ,but it is personal level , all the billions ppl in world walk diffrntly ,talk diffrntly look diffrntly ,so there is some thing called individual level of awareness ..I am least bothered abt ayanamsa problems which ever suits to me and giv correctness i will follow . but u can bother abt it .as there is plenty of pre paid time availble with u 6)But they do not want to " divulge " that secret to anybody! sure ,it is natural even US dont like others doing atomic nuclear experimnts and or getting that knowledge than their controlled way .Now even strted intelectual property rights anti piracay etc .what for all this if they r supposed to come and proov to u and disclose to as u r asking questions in some grps .Or u wont agree it ,did they care u ?? 7)You are blissfully unaware of the fact that astronomically it is impossible for there being twelve exact and equal " compatements " which astrologers call Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis U r blissfully unaware that Nakshtra is also similar and more finer in the divisions than rasies .Nakshtra padas r again more finer divisions ,and so on .And the division is mathematical where indians were leading in world .So How i can improve ur unwillingness to see real facts .i am seeing nth mail on this to u by many many many ppl and u think by keeping on nagging and by being adamnt , they will go away one day even if he is einstein and that day u r a winner in ur foolish paradise ,so it is ur basic problem .No cure for it . even u dont know or u prooved why muhurtha is used if there is no concept of good and badness of time frame .And it is applicble with futre effect .even u never prooved ur idea abt muhurtha in vedas and how some one can calculate it .And use it . 8)BVR also claimed ,/KNR! He has now disowned Vedic astrology completely All this has nothing to do with me ,even i dont know rao ji disowned vedic astrology . 9)just get rid of your fatal infatuation with the non-existent Vedic astrology and be true to your dharma! I am advising u to get rid of ur ignorence . regrds sreedhar nambiar hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > Namaskar! > <when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely > intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the > scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer > me ,even the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i > dont know reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not > working in Lab conditions other wise how any one can proov it .> > > This is a surprising statement, but something that I have become used > to since almost all the " Vedic astrologers " talk in the same vein! > They claim having proved/explained something which no scientist had > ever been able to prove/explain! > > You are very sanguine that people become lunatics on Full Moon > nights! Do you mean to say that nobody has ever gone made on any > other tithi? > Why do you foget that there are ebbs and tides on other days also > besides Full Moons? > Then again, it is not only on Full Moons that people have become > enlighened! For that matter, has every Budhist monk got > enlightenment on Full Moon only? > > <then again next breath u r saying there is no > vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or > calculate thithies etc .> > You are deliberately twisting my statements, again ---- like all > the " Vedic astrologers " . The fact of the matter is that tithis were > prevailing right from the Rigveda! So were the adhika masa! We have > also the most indigenous astronomical work which tells us as to how > to calculate mean tithi etc. > Yes, it is a fact that the Vedic Seers were not astro-buffs, unlike > impostor Vamadevas! That is why the Seers were not interested in > planetary longitudes, especially with respect to the non-existent > Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis! > > <even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any > celebrations we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity > which is not available to ur calender .so i dont think i can > celebrate it even if iaccept it> > Obviously, you do not want to celebrate them on proper days because > of your fatal infatuation with " Vedic astrology " . > You have no idea that Puranas talk of so called Sayana Rashis! Or is > it that you are deliberately ignoring those statements also? > > < And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose > only and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my > interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing lot > of yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre > or even accuracy of predictions.> > > Your " experience " is like that of millions of other " Vedic > astrologers " ---they make " correct predictions " (sic!) from thousands > of Ayanamshas, which is actually impossible, since if one ayanamsha > is correct all the rest of them are incorrect! > BVR also claimed to make correct predictions--from an entirely > different ayanamsh! Same was the claim of his redoubtable daughter > Gayatri Devi Vasudev! And you know the fate of them all! Similar is > also the claim of " Raman of North " viz. KNR! He has now disowned > Vedic astrology completely, realizing his mistake at the fag end of > his life! I have read quite a few predictions of all of them! > Extremely few, if any, predictions have proved correct---which may > just be a sheer chance! > Your statement, " interaction with good astrologers who realy studied > it investing lot of yrs " is very interesting! Most of the " learned > astrologers " are themselves convinced that " Vedic astrology " is a > fifty-fifty chance! But they do not want to " divulge " that secret to > anybody! Aakhir paapi pet ka saval jo hai! > You are blissfully unaware of the fact that astronomically it is > impossible for there being twelve exact and equal " compatements " > which astrologers call Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis---especially the so > called nirayana ones since the " Vedic asrologers " themselves do not > know which imaginary division starts from which imaginary point! > > As such, pl. do some real homework and just get rid of your fatal > infatuation with the non-existent Vedic astrology and be true to your > dharma! > Dhanayavad. > A K Kaul > hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote: > > > > Re: Fwd: Full Moon Night > > > > > > > > Kaul ji > > > > > > > > sure u r very well free to express ur opinions but u r not allowed > to > > force ur agenda into some one by calling names or humilaiting or > even > > approaching with pre set ideas and plans . > > > > when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely > > intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the > > scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer > me ,even > > the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i dont > know > > reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not working > in Lab > > conditions other wise how any one can proov it .As a policy of our > grp > > even if millions exprnced it we shud reject it right ??if we r > > scientific is it not . > > > > U urself is saying there is no valid proof of thithies this > avatars > > born or any events of religion nature Like sri ram s victory or > > narakasura mardanam etc .then again next breath u r saying there is > no > > vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or > > calculate thithies etc .Then can u tell me what u r after ?? To > make us > > accept the nasa calender ?? > > > > > > > > even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any > celebrations > > we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity which is not > > available to ur calender .so i dont think i can celebrate it even > if i > > accept it > > > > > > > > And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose > only > > and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my > > interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing > lot of > > yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre or > > even accuracy of predictions . > > > > first u and society support astrology and then complain abt why no > one > > predicted natural calamity ,it is like without paying army u r > teaching > > them patriotism .i will say it is simple begging . > > > > heros will b in a society where there is hero worship and support > for > > such heros .other wise such a society will hav zeros like u only . > > > > if u learned astro as u claim ur 50 yrs knowledge then pls answer > me > > some doubts of mine then i can blv u and ur eleigibility to talk > against > > or pro abt astrology .( reading some european translation is > cannot b > > considered as ur eligibility ) > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > > Namaskar! > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > day and > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have (deviouis) " brains " > through > > > which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted when, even if > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same! > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon > is > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that > there > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night. > > > > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars > can > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > > > other tithis! > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct> > > > > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to > express > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad " Vedic > > > astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher " till date > as > > > to what my subject is or is not! > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > > > it .> > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life " is to prove > as > > > to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire Hindu > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome " itself shows > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts! > > > > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born on > > > such and such thithi> > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama > the > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night! > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > Tsunami or > > > natural calamity> > > > On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to the hilt > but > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > > > thing! > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > > and accept my defeat.> > > > > > > Glad to know that! > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > > > you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology " > > > With regards, > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaulji > > > > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > > > and > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ?? > > > > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > > > continue > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it . > > > > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born > > > on > > > > such and such thithi > > > > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > Tsunami or > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first > of > > > all u > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > > > paying for > > > > them for those who toil for it , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the > arguemnts > > > > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual > or > > > common > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims . > > > > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur > claims > > > and > > > > accept my defeat . > > > > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 dear Nambiar ji Thanks for your msg. >>>>>if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and tides happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more<<<<<<< I will like to add that full moon has nothing to do with volume of tide / ebb. >>>>>tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun.<<<<< But it was not the contention of our sages. >>>>>>as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is fooling ..because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs<<<<<< But when astrologers are applying astrological principles, which is not yet proved correct. So do you want to say that we must follow these principles in the hope that they will be proved correct after 1000 years. And secondly, by this statement are you not saying that these principles were formulated without any proof and without any logic. If there is some logic then we must know it or find it out to analyze as to whether some major-minor correction is required or not. But my stand is that every principle was formulated on some logic and the then knowledge. Though that logic and knowledge is not at par with modern knowledge hence every principle is now a bunch of bogus and outdated. I have analyzed every principle in detail in my book. But I will not push my views, instead I will like to know your viewpoint. In some another msg you have stated that using a particular ayanansh is personal view. But how a particular value or constant may be personal. Have you ever heard that value of pie or gravity or distance of planets or angular arc etc. may be personal. That too when ayanansh was never used by our sages like Parashar, Varahmihir and Aryabhatt. Thus either they may be right without using ayanansh while applying basic astrological principles or we may be wrong after applying one or different ayanansh on same primitive principles. I hope you will share your logical views. Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. Yours truly, Sanat PS : Other silent members may join and share their views. I am waiting for the reply of Shri Suprakash Ghosh Ji, on my msg of 16-12-8. I hope he may be quite OK. , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar wrote: > > > > > dear sanat ji > > > > Thanks for ur post > > > > if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and tides > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers, > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown? > > > This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if it is moon > then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or cant blv > unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide > is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun . > > Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of moon is > another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected by moon > ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time > > > > kujnthu hetu ---- > > > > hope now u got my point > > > > as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is fooling > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs > > > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar > > > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji, > > Namaskar, > > Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation > > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<< > > I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with full > > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is near to > > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract water and > > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and matte of > > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide-ebb may > > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational cycle > > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some full Moon > > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night) comparing > > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to the > > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of some > > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant clients. > > > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji, > > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers, > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown? > > > > Regarding your comments > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > > > I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging our views > > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please have > > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support of his > > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will that any > > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is bent upon > > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to socalled > > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such personal ego. > > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am sharing my > > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of > > individual to think on logic and decide his future action either on > > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no defeat or win > > concept but simply exchange of logical views. > > " For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set and I > > will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of snakes are > > poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my house. " > > in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are free to > > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to share > > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has thinking > > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on some > > logical information then it is only a blindfaith. > > Hence continue to share your views but never take it personally. > > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but > > without any logic. They just want to believe because some one has > > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up. > > Thanks > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their views > > on any point. > > > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > > Namaskar! > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > > and > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have (deviouis) " brains " through > > > which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted when, even if > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same! > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon is > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night. > > > > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars > > can > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > > > other tithis! > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct> > > > > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to express > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad " Vedic > > > astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher " till date as > > > to what my subject is or is not! > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > > > it .> > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life " is to prove > > as > > > to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire Hindu > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome " itself shows > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts! > > > > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born > > on > > > such and such thithi> > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama the > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night! > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami > > or > > > natural calamity> > > > On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to the hilt but > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > > > thing! > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > > and accept my defeat.> > > > > > > Glad to know that! > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > > > you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology " > > > With regards, > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaulji > > > > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > > day > > > and > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ?? > > > > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > > > continue > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it . > > > > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > > born > > > on > > > > such and such thithi > > > > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami > > or > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first > > of > > > all u > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > > > paying for > > > > them for those who toil for it , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the > > arguemnts > > > > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or > > > common > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims . > > > > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > > and > > > > accept my defeat . > > > > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not > > > divine? > > > > > > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened - > > - > > > only > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on > > the > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > > amawas -- > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > > fact > > > he is > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > > against > > > the > > > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > > Gautam > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > > born > > > on a > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, > > he > > > died > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > > > > > > > > That is the problem with " Vedic astrologers " . They fly off at a > > > > > tangent! > > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and > > useless? > > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was > > born > > > on > > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on > > > > > Chaturdashi! > > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported " Vamadevas " ? > > > > > > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl > > > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's > > betterment, > > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to > > celebrate > > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to " Vedic > > > > > astrology " ! > > > > > Most of the top-notch " Vedic astrologers " fell on bad days at > > the > > > fag > > > > > end of their " greatest achievements " . BVR is the latest example! > > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone > > up > > > in > > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the > > good > > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others? > > > > > > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever > > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack > > > etc. > > > > > before hand! All hogwash! > > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a > > common > > > > > man. > > > > > Dhanyavad. > > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp . > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect > > > us . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud > > > > > emulate .that > > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as > > > muni 's > > > > > and > > > > > > rishies in ancient india . > > > > > > > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat > > logic > > > or > > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it . > > > > > > > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was > > > accidental .May b > > > > > > megaplan of gods . > > > > > > > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by > > god ,even > > > > > most of > > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was > > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it . > > > > > > > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but > > the > > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean - > > - > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far > > > away. > > > > > And > > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are > > > affected, > > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become > > enlightened -- > > > > > only > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened > > on > > > the > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > > amawas -- > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > > > fact he > > > > > is > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > > great > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > > > against the > > > > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > > Gautam > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > > > born on > > > > > a > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > > night, > > > he > > > > > died > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the > > full > > > > > moon > > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the > > full > > > > > moon > > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is > > > almost > > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is > > > almost > > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is > > > almost > > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human > > psyche. > > > The > > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects > > you. > > > > > Since > > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the > > > painters, > > > > > the > > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that > > > something > > > > > is > > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the > > full > > > > > moon > > > > > > are hand in hand.... > > > > > > > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel > > and > > > > > watch > > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u > > can > > > see > > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so how u explain it ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it . > > > > > > > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can > > > reject > > > > > it > > > > > > outrightly . > > > > > > > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 dear sanat ji I know already this forum is not after science of logic ,other wise u wud hav been trying to answer me my question on prooving the tides and ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific way .Also many of my questions on scientific proof has been seen and meet its destiny (astrologicaly ).as no one prooved me how universe originated ,nor how atoms formed or even how various elemnts formed etc etc .Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never explained But i am happy for one reason .As jehova promised to jews that if there is one true and good person in this world he will not destroy this earth ,so u r here as our saviour and u r helping us by writing books and selling it tho it cannot b taken as fraud as u also must liv as u r not an astrologer who trained in classical traditional way other than learning it frm road side books .So exposing this astro frauds ( that also who learnd it min 20 yrs of toiling after getting usual education ) and helping us is one thing i find this world is safe and secure .Other Real bigger and massiv frauds we cannot go against as it is big bite for us .So we shud not even worry that 2 lacs farmers in india suicided even due to policy of govtmnt and frauds committed by MNC s ( after all who asked them to go and do agriculture why dont they used their will power and help themselvs ) Now coming to science again i can show same science will say pro and anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is suit to u depends on ur intention and the occassion . Now this is what one science journal says on tides on full moon days and new moon days Spring TidesWhen the moon is full or new, the gravitational pull of the moon and sun are combined. At these times, the high tides are very high and the low tides are very low. This is known as a spring high tide. Spring tides are especially strong tides (they do not have anything to do with the season Spring). They occur when the Earth, the Sun, and the Moon are in a line. The gravitational forces of the Moon and the Sun both contribute to the tides. Spring tides occur during the full moon and the new moon. Let us trash it Now coming to the knowledge level of rishies i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me how the rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my doubts .U can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible y they used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting on this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is possible . Now another unanwered question i think is on ayanamsa used by parasar ,varahamihira and aryabhatta First let me thank u for remebring those frauds .Then i am asking u to show me one chart discussed by them and how u arrive at this conclusion .so it will help me to answer u and save my time and efforts .So can also learn what ayanamsa they used with the help of u ppl who are already 35Plus and 50Plus exprnced ( in astrology and it is not a advtmnt of any medicine used as enhancers ) persons Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is personal in it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only . First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud then we r cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all . Now i hope u may kind enough to answer me by point wise regrds sreedhar Nambiar NB -if there is any points i missed it is not intentional but it depends on ur answers first as i needs to know ur awareness on it ,so pls cooperate with me . , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> dear Nambiar ji> > Thanks for your msg.> > >>>>>if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and > tides> happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more<<<<<<<> I will like to add that full moon has nothing to do with volume of > tide / ebb.> > > >>>>>tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is caused by > interaction of earth ,moon and sun.<<<<<> But it was not the contention of our sages.> > >>>>>>as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is > fooling> .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some> thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs<<<<<<> But when astrologers are applying astrological principles, which is > not yet proved correct. So do you want to say that we must follow > these principles in the hope that they will be proved correct after > 1000 years. And secondly, by this statement are you not saying that > these principles were formulated without any proof and without any > logic. If there is some logic then we must know it or find it out to > analyze as to whether some major-minor correction is required or not. > But my stand is that every principle was formulated on some logic and > the then knowledge. Though that logic and knowledge is not at par > with modern knowledge hence every principle is now a bunch of bogus > and outdated. I have analyzed every principle in detail in my book. > But I will not push my views, instead I will like to know your > viewpoint.> > In some another msg you have stated that using a particular ayanansh > is personal view. But how a particular value or constant may be > personal. Have you ever heard that value of pie or gravity or > distance of planets or angular arc etc. may be personal. That too > when ayanansh was never used by our sages like Parashar, Varahmihir > and Aryabhatt. Thus either they may be right without using ayanansh > while applying basic astrological principles or we may be wrong after > applying one or different ayanansh on same primitive principles.> > I hope you will share your logical views.> > Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.> > Yours truly,> Sanat> > > PS : Other silent members may join and share their views.> > I am waiting for the reply of Shri Suprakash Ghosh Ji, on my msg of > 16-12-8. I hope he may be quite OK.> > > , "sreedhar.nambiar" > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear sanat ji> > > > > > > > Thanks for ur post> > > > > > > > if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and > tides> > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more> > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not> > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers,> > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which> > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass> > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> > > > > > This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if it is > moon> > then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or cant > blv> > unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and > tide> > is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun .> > > > Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of moon is> > another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected by moon> > ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time> > > > > > > > kujnthu hetu ----> > > > > > > > hope now u got my point> > > > > > > > as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is > fooling> > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some> > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs> > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar> > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > > Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation> > > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is> > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that > there> > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<<> > > I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with > full> > > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is near to> > > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract water and> > > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and matte of> > > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide-ebb > may> > > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational > cycle> > > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some full > Moon> > > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night) > comparing> > > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to the> > > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of some> > > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant > clients.> > >> > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji,> > >> > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not> > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by > astrologers,> > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, > which> > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of > glass> > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> > >> > > Regarding your comments> > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims> > > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that is > all >> > > I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging our > views> > > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please > have> > > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support of > his> > > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will that > any> > > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is bent > upon> > > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to socalled> > > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such personal > ego.> > > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am sharing > my> > > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of> > > individual to think on logic and decide his future action either > on> > > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no defeat or > win> > > concept but simply exchange of logical views.> > > "For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set and > I> > > will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of snakes are> > > poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my > house. "> > > in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are free > to> > > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to share> > > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has > thinking> > > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on > some> > > logical information then it is only a blindfaith.> > > Hence continue to share your views but never take it personally.> > > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but> > > without any logic. They just want to believe because some one has> > > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up.> > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > Sanat> > > PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their > views> > > on any point.> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > Namaskar!> > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > day> > > and> > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>> > > > It is only "Vedic astrologers" who have (deviouis) "brains" > through> > > > which they can "foresee" as to which mail was posted when, even > if> > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!> > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full > Moon is> > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that > there> > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.> > > >> > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>> > > >> > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars> > > can> > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes > the> > > > other tithis!> > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct>> > > >> > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to > express> > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad "Vedic> > > > astrologer" since you have not been able to "decipher" till > date as> > > > to what my subject is or is not!> > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u > call> > > > it .>> > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My "purpose of life" is to > prove> > > as> > > > to how on the shoulders of "Vedic astrology" the entire Hindu> > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and> > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your "Full Moon syndrome" itself > shows> > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!> > > >> > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born> > > on> > > > such and such thithi>> > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama > the> > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!> > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > Tsunami> > > or> > > > natural calamity>> > > > On the one hand you are defending "Vedic astrology" to the hilt > but> > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any > such> > > > thing!> > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur > claims> > > > and accept my defeat.>> > > >> > > > Glad to know that!> > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that > purpose> > > > you will have to bid adieu to "Vedic astrology"> > > > With regards,> > > > A K Kaul> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > kaulji> > > > >> > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon> > > day> > > > and> > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > other wise u r assuming everything> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > >> > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur > subjuct ,u> > > > continue> > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> > > > >> > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's> > > born> > > > on> > > > > such and such thithi> > > > >> > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > Tsunami> > > or> > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as > first> > > of> > > > all u> > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not> > > > paying for> > > > > them for those who toil for it ,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the> > > arguemnts> > > > >> > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or > actual or> > > > common> > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims .> > > > >> > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur > claims> > > > and> > > > > accept my defeat .> > > > >> > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Avtar Krishen > Kaul"> > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen > Kaul"> > > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > > > Namaskar!> > > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned > accidently> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not> > > > divine?> > > > > >> > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become > enlightened -> > > -> > > > only> > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened > on> > > the> > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of> > > > amawas --> > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this> > > fact> > > > he is> > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > great> > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going> > > against> > > > the> > > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full > moon.> > > > Gautam> > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was> > > born> > > > on a> > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > night,> > > he> > > > died> > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.>> > > > > >> > > > > > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly off > at a> > > > > > tangent!> > > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and> > > useless?> > > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was> > > born> > > > on> > > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on> > > > > > Chaturdashi!> > > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported "Vamadevas"?> > > > > >> > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> > > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's> > > betterment,> > > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to> > > celebrate> > > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks > to "Vedic> > > > > > astrology"!> > > > > > Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad days > at> > > the> > > > fag> > > > > > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest > example!> > > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has > gone> > > up> > > > in> > > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the> > > good> > > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > > > > >> > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet > ever> > > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror > attack> > > > etc.> > > > > > before hand! All hogwash!> > > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a> > > common> > > > > > man.> > > > > > Dhanyavad.> > > > > > A K Kaul> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear grp .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets > affect> > > > us .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud> > > > > > emulate .that> > > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known > as> > > > muni 's> > > > > > and> > > > > > > rishies in ancient india .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat> > > logic> > > > or> > > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel > it .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was> > > > accidental .May b> > > > > > > megaplan of gods .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by> > > god ,even> > > > > > most of> > > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned > accidently .Nothing was> > > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sreedhar> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ----------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . > but> > > the> > > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the > ocean -> > > -> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is > far> > > > away.> > > > > > And> > > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are> > > > affected,> > > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become> > > enlightened --> > > > > > only> > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become > enlightened> > > on> > > > the> > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of> > > > amawas --> > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of > this> > > > fact he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the> > > great> > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going> > > > against the> > > > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full > moon.> > > > Gautam> > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he > was> > > > born on> > > > > > a> > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon> > > night,> > > > he> > > > > > died> > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of > the> > > full> > > > > > moon> > > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On > the> > > full> > > > > > moon> > > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number > is> > > > almost> > > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is> > > > almost> > > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is> > > > almost> > > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human> > > psyche.> > > > The> > > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it > affects> > > you.> > > > > > Since> > > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the> > > > painters,> > > > > > the> > > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that> > > > something> > > > > > is> > > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of > the> > > full> > > > > > moon> > > > > > > are hand in hand....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big > vessel> > > and> > > > > > watch> > > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u> > > can> > > > see> > > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so how u explain it ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl > then ???> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i > can> > > > reject> > > > > > it> > > > > > > outrightly .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar wrote: , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: dear grp . This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect us . They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud emulate .that is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as muni 's and rishies in ancient india . when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat logic or science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it . even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was accidental .May b megaplan of gods . it like all inventions it is happening as designed by god ,even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was preplanned but they were ready to receiv it . so b ready to recv good things . regrds sreedhar proof of moon affecting mankind ---------- Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but the distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -- it is affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far away. And it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are affected, because eighty percent in you is ocean water. It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -- only with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on the full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of amawas -- no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this fact he is called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great warrior, going against the current -- and not only going against the current but achieving it. Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. Gautam Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was born on a full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, he died on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence. And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the full moon on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the full moon night more people go mad than any other night, the number is almost double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is almost double. More people commit murder, and again the number is almost double. The full moon night does something to the human psyche. The full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects you. Since the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the painters, the sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that something is different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the full moon are hand in hand.... But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel and watch it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u can see nothing is happening in the water in vessel . so how u explain it ?? can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ??? hope the scientific community in grp will explain it . so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can reject it outrightly . as it does not fit into my awareness . --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 , "sreedhar.nambiar" <sreedhar.nambiar wrote:dear sanat jiI know already this forum is not after science of logic ,other wise uwud hav been trying to answer me my question on prooving the tides andebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific way.Also many of my questions on scientific proof has been seen and meet its destiny (astrologicaly ).as no one prooved me how universeoriginated ,nor how atoms formed or even how various elemnts formed etcetc .Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never explainedBut i am happy for one reason .As jehova promised to jews that ifthere is one true and good person in this world he will not destroy thisearth ,so u r here as our saviour and u r helping us by writing booksand selling it tho it cannot b taken as fraud as u also must liv as u rnot an astrologer who trained in classical traditional way other thanlearning it frm road side books .So exposing this astro frauds ( thatalso who learnd it min 20 yrs of toiling after getting usual education) and helping us is one thing i find this world is safe and secure.Other Real bigger and massiv frauds we cannot go against as it is bigbite for us .So we shud not even worry that 2 lacs farmers in indiasuicided even due to policy of govtmnt and frauds committed by MNC s (after all who asked them to go and do agriculture why dont they usedtheir will power and help themselvs )Now coming to science again i can show same science will say pro andanti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is suit tou depends on ur intention and the occassion .Now this is what one science journal says on tides on full moon days andnew moon daysSpring TidesWhen the moon is full or new, the gravitational pull of the moon and sunare combined. At these times, the high tides are very high and the lowtides are very low. This is known as a spring high tide. Spring tidesare especially strong tides (they do not have anything to do with theseason Spring). They occur when the Earth, the Sun, and the Moon are ina line. The gravitational forces of the Moon and the Sun both contributeto the tides. Spring tides occur during the full moon and the new moon.Let us trash itNow coming to the knowledge level of rishiesi asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me how therigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my doubts .Ucan also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible y theyused it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting onthis vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is possible .Now another unanwered question i think is on ayanamsa used by parasar,varahamihira and aryabhattaFirst let me thank u for remebring those frauds .Then i am asking u toshow me one chart discussed by them and how u arrive at this conclusion.so it will help me to answer u and save my time and efforts .So canalso learn what ayanamsa they used with the help of u ppl who arealready 35Plus and 50Plus exprnced ( in astrology and it is not aadvtmnt of any medicine used as enhancers ) personsSure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is personal init but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only .First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud then we rcutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all .Now i hope u may kind enough to answer me by point wiseregrds sreedhar NambiarNB -if there is any points i missed it is not intentional but it dependson ur answers first as i needs to know ur awareness on it ,so plscooperate with me . , "sanat2221"sanatkumar_jain@ wrote:>> dear Nambiar ji>> Thanks for your msg.>> >>>>>if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and> tides> happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more<<<<<<<> I will like to add that full moon has nothing to do with volume of> tide / ebb.>>> >>>>>tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is caused by> interaction of earth ,moon and sun.<<<<<> But it was not the contention of our sages.>> >>>>>>as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is> fooling> .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some> thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs<<<<<<> But when astrologers are applying astrological principles, which is> not yet proved correct. So do you want to say that we must follow> these principles in the hope that they will be proved correct after> 1000 years. And secondly, by this statement are you not saying that> these principles were formulated without any proof and without any> logic. If there is some logic then we must know it or find it out to> analyze as to whether some major-minor correction is required or not.> But my stand is that every principle was formulated on some logic and> the then knowledge. Though that logic and knowledge is not at par> with modern knowledge hence every principle is now a bunch of bogus> and outdated. I have analyzed every principle in detail in my book.> But I will not push my views, instead I will like to know your> viewpoint.>> In some another msg you have stated that using a particular ayanansh> is personal view. But how a particular value or constant may be> personal. Have you ever heard that value of pie or gravity or> distance of planets or angular arc etc. may be personal. That too> when ayanansh was never used by our sages like Parashar, Varahmihir> and Aryabhatt. Thus either they may be right without using ayanansh> while applying basic astrological principles or we may be wrong after> applying one or different ayanansh on same primitive principles.>> I hope you will share your logical views.>> Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.>> Yours truly,> Sanat>>> PS : Other silent members may join and share their views.>> I am waiting for the reply of Shri Suprakash Ghosh Ji, on my msg of> 16-12-8. I hope he may be quite OK.>>> , "sreedhar.nambiar"> sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > dear sanat ji> >> >> >> > Thanks for ur post> >> >> >> > if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and> tides> > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more> >> > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not> > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers,> > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which> > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass> > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> >> >> > This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if it is> moon> > then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or cant> blv> > unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and> tide> > is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun .> >> > Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of moon is> > another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected by moon> > ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time> >> >> >> > kujnthu hetu ----> >> >> >> > hope now u got my point> >> >> >> > as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is> fooling> > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some> > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs> >> >> >> > regrds sreedhar Nambiar> >> >> > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > > Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation> > > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is> > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that> there> > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<<> > > I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with> full> > > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is near to> > > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract water and> > > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and matte of> > > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide-ebb> may> > > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational> cycle> > > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some full> Moon> > > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night)> comparing> > > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to the> > > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of some> > > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant> clients.> > >> > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji,> > >> > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not> > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by> astrologers,> > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells,> which> > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of> glass> > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> > >> > > Regarding your comments> > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims> > > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that is> all >> > > I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging our> views> > > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please> have> > > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support of> his> > > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will that> any> > > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is bent> upon> > > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to socalled> > > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such personal> ego.> > > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am sharing> my> > > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of> > > individual to think on logic and decide his future action either> on> > > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no defeat or> win> > > concept but simply exchange of logical views.> > > "For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set and> I> > > will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of snakes are> > > poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my> house. "> > > in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are free> to> > > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to share> > > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has> thinking> > > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on> some> > > logical information then it is only a blindfaith.> > > Hence continue to share your views but never take it personally.> > > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but> > > without any logic. They just want to believe because some one has> > > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up.> > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > Sanat> > > PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their> views> > > on any point.> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > Namaskar!> > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon> day> > > and> > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>> > > > It is only "Vedic astrologers" who have (deviouis) "brains"> through> > > > which they can "foresee" as to which mail was posted when, even> if> > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!> > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full> Moon is> > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that> there> > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.> > > >> > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>> > > >> > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars> > > can> > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes> the> > > > other tithis!> > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct>> > > >> > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to> express> > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad "Vedic> > > > astrologer" since you have not been able to "decipher" till> date as> > > > to what my subject is or is not!> > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u> call> > > > it .>> > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My "purpose of life" is to> prove> > > as> > > > to how on the shoulders of "Vedic astrology" the entire Hindu> > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and> > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your "Full Moon syndrome" itself> shows> > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!> > > >> > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's> born> > > on> > > > such and such thithi>> > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama> the> > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!> > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted> Tsunami> > > or> > > > natural calamity>> > > > On the one hand you are defending "Vedic astrology" to the hilt> but> > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any> such> > > > thing!> > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur> claims> > > > and accept my defeat.>> > > >> > > > Glad to know that!> > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that> purpose> > > > you will have to bid adieu to "Vedic astrology"> > > > With regards,> > > > A K Kaul> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > kaulji> > > > >> > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon> > > day> > > > and> > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > other wise u r assuming everything> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > >> > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur> subjuct ,u> > > > continue> > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> > > > >> > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's> > > born> > > > on> > > > > such and such thithi> > > > >> > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted> Tsunami> > > or> > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as> first> > > of> > > > all u> > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not> > > > paying for> > > > > them for those who toil for it ,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the> > > arguemnts> > > > >> > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or> actual or> > > > common> > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims .> > > > >> > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur> claims> > > > and> > > > > accept my defeat .> > > > >> > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Avtar Krishen> Kaul"> > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen> Kaul"> > > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > > > Namaskar!> > > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned> accidently> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not> > > > divine?> > > > > >> > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become> enlightened -> > > -> > > > only> > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened> on> > > the> > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of> > > > amawas --> > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this> > > fact> > > > he is> > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the> great> > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going> > > against> > > > the> > > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full> moon.> > > > Gautam> > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was> > > born> > > > on a> > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon> night,> > > he> > > > died> > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.>> > > > > >> > > > > > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly off> at a> > > > > > tangent!> > > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and> > > useless?> > > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was> > > born> > > > on> > > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on> > > > > > Chaturdashi!> > > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported "Vamadevas"?> > > > > >> > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> > > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's> > > betterment,> > > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to> > > celebrate> > > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks> to "Vedic> > > > > > astrology"!> > > > > > Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad days> at> > > the> > > > fag> > > > > > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest> example!> > > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has> gone> > > up> > > > in> > > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the> > > good> > > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > > > > >> > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet> ever> > > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror> attack> > > > etc.> > > > > > before hand! All hogwash!> > > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a> > > common> > > > > > man.> > > > > > Dhanyavad.> > > > > > A K Kaul> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear grp .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets> affect> > > > us .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud> > > > > > emulate .that> > > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known> as> > > > muni 's> > > > > > and> > > > > > > rishies in ancient india .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat> > > logic> > > > or> > > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel> it .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was> > > > accidental .May b> > > > > > > megaplan of gods .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by> > > god ,even> > > > > > most of> > > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned> accidently .Nothing was> > > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sreedhar> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ----------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. .> but> > > the> > > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the> ocean -> > > -> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is> far> > > > away.> > > > > > And> > > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are> > > > affected,> > > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become> > > enlightened --> > > > > > only> > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become> enlightened> > > on> > > > the> > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of> > > > amawas --> > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of> this> > > > fact he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the> > > great> > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going> > > > against the> > > > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full> moon.> > > > Gautam> > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he> was> > > > born on> > > > > > a> > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon> > > night,> > > > he> > > > > > died> > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of> the> > > full> > > > > > moon> > > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On> the> > > full> > > > > > moon> > > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number> is> > > > almost> > > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is> > > > almost> > > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is> > > > almost> > > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human> > > psyche.> > > > The> > > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it> affects> > > you.> > > > > > Since> > > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the> > > > painters,> > > > > > the> > > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that> > > > something> > > > > > is> > > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of> the> > > full> > > > > > moon> > > > > > > are hand in hand....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big> vessel> > > and> > > > > > watch> > > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u> > > can> > > > see> > > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so how u explain it ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl> then ???> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i> can> > > > reject> > > > > > it> > > > > > > outrightly .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 dear sanat ji snakes and logic/science of astrology Over 600 species are known to be venomous -- about a quarter of all snake species. Means The snakes can be aggressive and inflict dangerous, even potentially lethal bites so in future use less this kind of exmples ( remebr u r living in modern era and says all this where as u were fully vocal when critisising some rishies which u never understood in reality ) hope we get more logical answers in future . I request u to think diffrntly (means know thyself first) than wat u feel abt urself tho u can never b scientific nor b logical unless u know ur limitations and shed the false cover of helping humanity by exposing some thing or try to talk direct that this is my mission . i find u use this same exmple several times in this very grp itself and u shud think that even the uneducated ppl has more logic in them tho they wont sit or waist their time for desk top futile wars .where as they r kids of nature .so knows better than u or me in practical sense . let us not b that pundit who trveled in a boat and dont know how to swim and was nagging the boat man that his life has gone waist as he dont know sastras . regrds sreedhar nambiar , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji,> Namaskar,> Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<<> I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with full > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is near to > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract water and > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and matte of > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide-ebb may > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational cycle > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some full Moon > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night) comparing > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to the > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of some > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant clients. > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji,> > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers, > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> > Regarding your comments > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging our views > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please have > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support of his > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will that any > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is bent upon > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to socalled > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such personal ego. > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am sharing my > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of > individual to think on logic and decide his future action either on > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no defeat or win > concept but simply exchange of logical views.> "For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set and I> will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of snakes are> poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my house. "> in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are free to > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to share > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has thinking > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on some > logical information then it is only a blindfaith.> Hence continue to share your views but never take it personally. > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but > without any logic. They just want to believe because some one has > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up.> Thanks> Yours truly, > Sanat> PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their views > on any point.> > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > jyotirved@ wrote:> >> > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > Namaskar!> > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > and> > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>> > It is only "Vedic astrologers" who have (deviouis) "brains" through > > which they can "foresee" as to which mail was posted when, even if > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!> > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon is > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that there > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.> > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>> > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars > can > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > > other tithis!> > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct>> > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to express > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad "Vedic > > astrologer" since you have not been able to "decipher" till date as > > to what my subject is or is not!> > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > > it .>> > That is exactly what I am doing! My "purpose of life" is to prove > as > > to how on the shoulders of "Vedic astrology" the entire Hindu > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your "Full Moon syndrome" itself shows > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!> > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's born > on> > such and such thithi>> > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama the > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!> > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami > or> > natural calamity>> > On the one hand you are defending "Vedic astrology" to the hilt but > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > > thing! > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and accept my defeat.>> > > > Glad to know that!> > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > > you will have to bid adieu to "Vedic astrology"> > With regards,> > A K Kaul> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar" > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > kaulji> > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > day > > and> > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything> > > > > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > > continue> > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born > > on> > > such and such thithi> > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted Tsunami > or> > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first > of > > all u> > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > > paying for> > > them for those who toil for it ,> > > > > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the > arguemnts> > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual or > > common> > > world do not consider u or ur claims .> > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > and> > > accept my defeat .> > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > >> > > > hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > Namaskar!> > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned accidently > >> > > >> > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not > > divine?> > > >> > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become enlightened -> - > > only> > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened on > the> > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > amawas --> > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > fact > > he is> > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the great> > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > against > > the> > > > current but achieving it.> > > >> > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > Gautam> > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > born > > on a> > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon night, > he > > died> > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.>> > > >> > > > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly off at a> > > > tangent!> > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and > useless?> > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was > born > > on> > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on> > > > Chaturdashi!> > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported "Vamadevas"?> > > >> > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's > betterment,> > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to > celebrate> > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks to "Vedic> > > > astrology"!> > > > Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad days at > the > > fag> > > > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest example!> > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has gone > up > > in> > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the > good> > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > > >> > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet ever> > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror attack > > etc.> > > > before hand! All hogwash!> > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a > common> > > > man.> > > > Dhanyavad.> > > > A K Kaul> > > >> > > >> > > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear grp .> > > > >> > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets affect > > us .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud> > > > emulate .that> > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known as > > muni 's> > > > and> > > > > rishies in ancient india .> > > > >> > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat > logic > > or> > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel it .> > > > >> > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was > > accidental .May b> > > > > megaplan of gods .> > > > >> > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by > god ,even> > > > most of> > > > > the scientific inventions were happned accidently .Nothing was> > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > > >> > > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sreedhar> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > > >> > > > > ----------> > > > >> > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . but > the> > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the ocean -> - > > it> > > > is> > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is far > > away.> > > > And> > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are > > affected,> > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > > >> > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become > enlightened --> > > > only> > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened > on > > the> > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > amawas --> > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > > fact he> > > > is> > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > great> > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > > against the> > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > >> > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full moon. > > Gautam> > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > > born on> > > > a> > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > night, > > he> > > > died> > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > >> > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of the > full> > > > moon> > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On the > full> > > > moon> > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number is > > almost> > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is > > almost> > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is > > almost> > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human > psyche. > > The> > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it affects > you.> > > > Since> > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the > > painters,> > > > the> > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that > > something> > > > is> > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of the > full> > > > moon> > > > > are hand in hand....> > > > >> > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big vessel > and> > > > watch> > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u > can > > see> > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > so how u explain it ??> > > > >> > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl then ???> > > > >> > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > > >> > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i can > > reject> > > > it> > > > > outrightly .> > > > >> > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .> > > > >> > > >> > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Dear Nambiar ji, >>>>> my question on prooving the tides and ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific way.<<<<<<< when affect of Gravitation is more then only it can be realized by our senses and when it is less then it can only be calculated according to mass. Whereas tide/ebb is visible because water from the other side of the earth fill the gap created by tide. If there is no water on otherside then like Earth it will only be fixed. In the same way water contained in the body and enclosed in minute cells can not be attracted and it will remain fixed like matter. >>>>>>Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never explained<<<<<<< I am sure it is not explained in astrology too. Whereas it is possible that some type of virus etc. may be created during yawning and may get spread to create multiple yawning. Any how it has nothing to do with astrology. >>>>>>Now coming to science again i can show same science will say pro and anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is suit to u depends on ur intention and the occassion.<<<<< Yes, you are right astrology is like liquor. And if some one is get addicted to it then like a drunker he always tries to find fault in planets and not in his own capacity, activity, knowledge etc. And liquor is always used when some one is happy or depressed; in the same way astrology is also used on the occasion of happiness (birth, marriage etc) and depression (failure, problem etc.). So you can promote astrology like liquor but I will always say that liquor is dangerous to health and astrology is dangerous to your mind, personality. If you want to use liquor as health supplement then one must take it under the advise of doctor. In the same way if you want to use astrology then one must learn astronomy and not astrology under the lens of science and not according to the advise of astrologers. >>>>>> i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me how the rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my doubts .U can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible y they used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting on this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is possible .<<<<<<< Sh Kaul Ji will also reply. But in short tithi was created for counting the annual cycle of rainy season, which is essential for agriculture in a upcoming society. 12 rotation of Moon was initially enough to count the annual cycle. Thus one cycle was again bifurcated in 15/30 tithis and nearby star was nominated to find the location of Moon. >>>>>Now another unanswered question i think is on ayanamsa used by parasar ,varahamihira and aryabhatta i am asking u to show me one chart discussed by them and how u arrive at this conclusion.<<<<<< If we do not have any chart discussed by Parashar etc. then it does not mean that they were using ayanansh. (if you want to say so) >>>>>> Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is personal in it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only .<<<<<< Certainly not. >>>>>>First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud then we r cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all .<<<<<< Again certainly not. I am not willing to cut my feet (argument) according to socalled decision (shoe). If you can logically convince that every principle is based on some scientific (modern astronomy) then I am not only willing to accept it because I have spent lot of time, but will also withdraw my both books. I hope I have answered point wise. Yours Sanat , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar wrote: > > > > > dear sanat ji > > I know already this forum is not after science of logic ,other wise u > wud hav been trying to answer me my question on prooving the tides and > ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific way > .Also many of my questions on scientific proof has been seen and meet > its destiny (astrologicaly ).as no one prooved me how universe > originated ,nor how atoms formed or even how various elemnts formed etc > etc .Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never explained > > But i am happy for one reason .As jehova promised to jews that if > there is one true and good person in this world he will not destroy this > earth ,so u r here as our saviour and u r helping us by writing books > and selling it tho it cannot b taken as fraud as u also must liv as u r > not an astrologer who trained in classical traditional way other than > learning it frm road side books .So exposing this astro frauds ( that > also who learnd it min 20 yrs of toiling after getting usual education > ) and helping us is one thing i find this world is safe and secure > .Other Real bigger and massiv frauds we cannot go against as it is big > bite for us .So we shud not even worry that 2 lacs farmers in india > suicided even due to policy of govtmnt and frauds committed by MNC s ( > after all who asked them to go and do agriculture why dont they used > their will power and help themselvs ) > > Now coming to science again i can show same science will say pro and > anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is suit to > u depends on ur intention and the occassion . > > > > Now this is what one science journal says on tides on full moon days and > new moon days > > Spring Tides > When the moon is full or new, the gravitational pull of the moon and sun > are combined. At these times, the high tides are very high and the low > tides are very low. This is known as a spring high tide. Spring tides > are especially strong tides (they do not have anything to do with the > season Spring). They occur when the Earth, the Sun, and the Moon are in > a line. The gravitational forces of the Moon and the Sun both contribute > to the tides. Spring tides occur during the full moon and the new moon. > > Let us trash it > > > > Now coming to the knowledge level of rishies > > i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me how the > rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my doubts .U > can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible y they > used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting on > this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is possible . > > > > Now another unanwered question i think is on ayanamsa used by parasar > ,varahamihira and aryabhatta > > First let me thank u for remebring those frauds .Then i am asking u to > show me one chart discussed by them and how u arrive at this conclusion > .so it will help me to answer u and save my time and efforts .So can > also learn what ayanamsa they used with the help of u ppl who are > already 35Plus and 50Plus exprnced ( in astrology and it is not a > advtmnt of any medicine used as enhancers ) persons > > Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is personal in > it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only . > > First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud then we r > cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all . > > > > Now i hope u may kind enough to answer me by point wise > > > > > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar > > > > NB -if there is any points i missed it is not intentional but it depends > on ur answers first as i needs to know ur awareness on it ,so pls > cooperate with me . > > > > > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > dear Nambiar ji > > > > Thanks for your msg. > > > > >>>>>if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and > > tides > > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more<<<<<<< > > I will like to add that full moon has nothing to do with volume of > > tide / ebb. > > > > > > >>>>>tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is caused by > > interaction of earth ,moon and sun.<<<<< > > But it was not the contention of our sages. > > > > >>>>>>as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is > > fooling > > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some > > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs<<<<<< > > But when astrologers are applying astrological principles, which is > > not yet proved correct. So do you want to say that we must follow > > these principles in the hope that they will be proved correct after > > 1000 years. And secondly, by this statement are you not saying that > > these principles were formulated without any proof and without any > > logic. If there is some logic then we must know it or find it out to > > analyze as to whether some major-minor correction is required or not. > > But my stand is that every principle was formulated on some logic and > > the then knowledge. Though that logic and knowledge is not at par > > with modern knowledge hence every principle is now a bunch of bogus > > and outdated. I have analyzed every principle in detail in my book. > > But I will not push my views, instead I will like to know your > > viewpoint. > > > > In some another msg you have stated that using a particular ayanansh > > is personal view. But how a particular value or constant may be > > personal. Have you ever heard that value of pie or gravity or > > distance of planets or angular arc etc. may be personal. That too > > when ayanansh was never used by our sages like Parashar, Varahmihir > > and Aryabhatt. Thus either they may be right without using ayanansh > > while applying basic astrological principles or we may be wrong after > > applying one or different ayanansh on same primitive principles. > > > > I hope you will share your logical views. > > > > Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > > > PS : Other silent members may join and share their views. > > > > I am waiting for the reply of Shri Suprakash Ghosh Ji, on my msg of > > 16-12-8. I hope he may be quite OK. > > > > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sanat ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur post > > > > > > > > > > > > if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and > > tides > > > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more > > > > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not > > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by astrologers, > > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, which > > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of glass > > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown? > > > > > > > > > This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if it is > > moon > > > then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or cant > > blv > > > unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and > > tide > > > is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun . > > > > > > Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of moon is > > > another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected by moon > > > ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time > > > > > > > > > > > > kujnthu hetu ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > hope now u got my point > > > > > > > > > > > > as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is > > fooling > > > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs some > > > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar > > > > > > > > > , " sanat2221 " > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation > > > > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is > > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that > > there > > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<< > > > > I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with > > full > > > > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is near to > > > > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract water and > > > > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and matte of > > > > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide- ebb > > may > > > > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational > > cycle > > > > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some full > > Moon > > > > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night) > > comparing > > > > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to the > > > > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of some > > > > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant > > clients. > > > > > > > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji, > > > > > > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not > > > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by > > astrologers, > > > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, > > which > > > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of > > glass > > > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown? > > > > > > > > Regarding your comments > > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > > > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that is > > all > > > > > I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging our > > views > > > > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please > > have > > > > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support of > > his > > > > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will that > > any > > > > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is bent > > upon > > > > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to socalled > > > > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such personal > > ego. > > > > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am sharing > > my > > > > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of > > > > individual to think on logic and decide his future action either > > on > > > > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no defeat or > > win > > > > concept but simply exchange of logical views. > > > > " For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set and > > I > > > > will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of snakes are > > > > poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my > > house. " > > > > in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are free > > to > > > > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to share > > > > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has > > thinking > > > > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on > > some > > > > logical information then it is only a blindfaith. > > > > Hence continue to share your views but never take it personally. > > > > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but > > > > without any logic. They just want to believe because some one has > > > > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up. > > > > Thanks > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > > > PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their > > views > > > > on any point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > > day > > > > and > > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > > > It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have (deviouis) " brains " > > through > > > > > which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted when, even > > if > > > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same! > > > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full > > Moon is > > > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that > > there > > > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night. > > > > > > > > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > > > > > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars > > > > can > > > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes > > the > > > > > other tithis! > > > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct> > > > > > > > > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to > > express > > > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad " Vedic > > > > > astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher " till > > date as > > > > > to what my subject is or is not! > > > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u > > call > > > > > it .> > > > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life " is to > > prove > > > > as > > > > > to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire Hindu > > > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > > > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome " itself > > shows > > > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts! > > > > > > > > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > > born > > > > on > > > > > such and such thithi> > > > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama > > the > > > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night! > > > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > > Tsunami > > > > or > > > > > natural calamity> > > > > > On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to the hilt > > but > > > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any > > such > > > > > thing! > > > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur > > claims > > > > > and accept my defeat.> > > > > > > > > > > Glad to know that! > > > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > > > > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that > > purpose > > > > > you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology " > > > > > With regards, > > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaulji > > > > > > > > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > > > > day > > > > > and > > > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur > > subjuct ,u > > > > > continue > > > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it . > > > > > > > > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > > > > born > > > > > on > > > > > > such and such thithi > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > > Tsunami > > > > or > > > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as > > first > > > > of > > > > > all u > > > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > > > > > paying for > > > > > > them for those who toil for it , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the > > > > arguemnts > > > > > > > > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or > > actual or > > > > > common > > > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims . > > > > > > > > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur > > claims > > > > > and > > > > > > accept my defeat . > > > > > > > > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen > > Kaul " > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen > > Kaul " > > > > > > > jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned > > accidently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental and not > > > > > divine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become > > enlightened - > > > > - > > > > > only > > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become enlightened > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > > > > amawas -- > > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of this > > > > fact > > > > > he is > > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > > great > > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > > > > against > > > > > the > > > > > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full > > moon. > > > > > Gautam > > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he was > > > > born > > > > > on a > > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > > night, > > > > he > > > > > died > > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is the problem with " Vedic astrologers " . They fly off > > at a > > > > > > > tangent! > > > > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and > > > > useless? > > > > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan Ram was > > > > born > > > > > on > > > > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on > > > > > > > Chaturdashi! > > > > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our imported " Vamadevas " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl > > > > > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's > > > > betterment, > > > > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to > > > > celebrate > > > > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks > > to " Vedic > > > > > > > astrology " ! > > > > > > > Most of the top-notch " Vedic astrologers " fell on bad days > > at > > > > the > > > > > fag > > > > > > > end of their " greatest achievements " . BVR is the latest > > example! > > > > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has > > gone > > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is that the > > > > good > > > > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as yet > > ever > > > > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror > > attack > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > before hand! All hogwash! > > > > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool of a > > > > common > > > > > > > man. > > > > > > > Dhanyavad. > > > > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets > > affect > > > > > us . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever they cud > > > > > > > emulate .that > > > > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys known > > as > > > > > muni 's > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > rishies in ancient india . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants wat > > > > logic > > > > > or > > > > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to unravel > > it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was > > > > > accidental .May b > > > > > > > > megaplan of gods . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by > > > > god ,even > > > > > > > most of > > > > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned > > accidently .Nothing was > > > > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so intimately.. . > > but > > > > the > > > > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the > > ocean - > > > > - > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon is > > far > > > > > away. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you are > > > > > affected, > > > > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become > > > > enlightened -- > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become > > enlightened > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night of > > > > > amawas -- > > > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of > > this > > > > > fact he > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means the > > > > great > > > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going > > > > > against the > > > > > > > > current but achieving it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full > > moon. > > > > > Gautam > > > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he > > was > > > > > born on > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon > > > > night, > > > > > he > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just coincidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects of > > the > > > > full > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. On > > the > > > > full > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the number > > is > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the number is > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the number is > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the human > > > > psyche. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it > > affects > > > > you. > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, the > > > > > painters, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel that > > > > > something > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays of > > the > > > > full > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > are hand in hand.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big > > vessel > > > > and > > > > > > > watch > > > > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to sea ,u > > > > can > > > > > see > > > > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so how u explain it ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl > > then ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly or i > > can > > > > > reject > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > outrightly . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 enough of this bullshit u are proved worst than a worm who has nothing to say than making others waist there time ,actualy there shud b a law to hang ppl like u after flogging in market place no logic or no science or even no sense , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Dear Nambiar ji,> > >>>>> my question on prooving the tides and> ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific > way.<<<<<<<> when affect of Gravitation is more then only it can be realized by > our senses and when it is less then it can only be calculated > according to mass. Whereas tide/ebb is visible because water from the > other side of the earth fill the gap created by tide. If there is no > water on otherside then like Earth it will only be fixed. In the same > way water contained in the body and enclosed in minute cells can not > be attracted and it will remain fixed like matter. > > > >>>>>>Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never > explained<<<<<<< I am sure it is not explained in astrology too. > Whereas it is possible that some type of virus etc. may be created > during yawning and may get spread to create multiple yawning. Any how > it has nothing to do with astrology.> > > >>>>>>Now coming to science again i can show same science will say > pro and> anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is suit > to> u depends on ur intention and the occassion.<<<<<> Yes, you are right astrology is like liquor. And if some one is get > addicted to it then like a drunker he always tries to find fault in > planets and not in his own capacity, activity, knowledge etc. And > liquor is always used when some one is happy or depressed; in the > same way astrology is also used on the occasion of happiness (birth, > marriage etc) and depression (failure, problem etc.). So you can > promote astrology like liquor but I will always say that liquor is > dangerous to health and astrology is dangerous to your mind, > personality. If you want to use liquor as health supplement then one > must take it under the advise of doctor. In the same way if you want > to use astrology then one must learn astronomy and not astrology > under the lens of science and not according to the advise of > astrologers. > > >>>>>> i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me how > the> rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my doubts .U> can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible y > they> used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting on> this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is possible .<<<<<<<> Sh Kaul Ji will also reply. But in short tithi was created for > counting the annual cycle of rainy season, which is essential for > agriculture in a upcoming society. 12 rotation of Moon was initially > enough to count the annual cycle. Thus one cycle was again bifurcated > in 15/30 tithis and nearby star was nominated to find the location of > Moon. > > >>>>>Now another unanswered question i think is on ayanamsa used by > parasar> ,varahamihira and aryabhatta i am asking u to show me one chart > discussed by them and how u arrive at this conclusion.<<<<<<> If we do not have any chart discussed by Parashar etc. then it does > not mean that they were using ayanansh. (if you want to say so)> > > >>>>>> Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is > personal in> it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only .<<<<<<> Certainly not. > > >>>>>>First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud > then we r> cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all .<<<<<<> Again certainly not. I am not willing to cut my feet (argument) > according to socalled decision (shoe). If you can logically convince > that every principle is based on some scientific (modern astronomy) > then I am not only willing to accept it because I have spent lot of > time, but will also withdraw my both books.> > I hope I have answered point wise.> > Yours> Sanat> > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar" > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear sanat ji> > > > I know already this forum is not after science of logic ,other > wise u> > wud hav been trying to answer me my question on prooving the tides > and> > ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific > way> > .Also many of my questions on scientific proof has been seen and > meet > > its destiny (astrologicaly ).as no one prooved me how universe> > originated ,nor how atoms formed or even how various elemnts formed > etc> > etc .Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never explained> > > > But i am happy for one reason .As jehova promised to jews that if> > there is one true and good person in this world he will not destroy > this> > earth ,so u r here as our saviour and u r helping us by writing > books> > and selling it tho it cannot b taken as fraud as u also must liv as > u r> > not an astrologer who trained in classical traditional way other > than> > learning it frm road side books .So exposing this astro frauds ( > that> > also who learnd it min 20 yrs of toiling after getting usual > education> > ) and helping us is one thing i find this world is safe and secure> > .Other Real bigger and massiv frauds we cannot go against as it is > big> > bite for us .So we shud not even worry that 2 lacs farmers in india> > suicided even due to policy of govtmnt and frauds committed by MNC > s (> > after all who asked them to go and do agriculture why dont they used> > their will power and help themselvs )> > > > Now coming to science again i can show same science will say pro and> > anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is > suit to> > u depends on ur intention and the occassion .> > > > > > > > Now this is what one science journal says on tides on full moon > days and> > new moon days> > > > Spring Tides> > When the moon is full or new, the gravitational pull of the moon > and sun> > are combined. At these times, the high tides are very high and the > low> > tides are very low. This is known as a spring high tide. Spring > tides> > are especially strong tides (they do not have anything to do with > the> > season Spring). They occur when the Earth, the Sun, and the Moon > are in> > a line. The gravitational forces of the Moon and the Sun both > contribute> > to the tides. Spring tides occur during the full moon and the new > moon.> > > > Let us trash it> > > > > > > > Now coming to the knowledge level of rishies> > > > i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me how > the> > rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my > doubts .U> > can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible y > they> > used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting on> > this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is possible .> > > > > > > > Now another unanwered question i think is on ayanamsa used by > parasar> > ,varahamihira and aryabhatta> > > > First let me thank u for remebring those frauds .Then i am asking > u to> > show me one chart discussed by them and how u arrive at this > conclusion> > .so it will help me to answer u and save my time and efforts .So can> > also learn what ayanamsa they used with the help of u ppl who are> > already 35Plus and 50Plus exprnced ( in astrology and it is not a> > advtmnt of any medicine used as enhancers ) persons> > > > Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is > personal in> > it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only .> > > > First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud then > we r> > cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all .> > > > > > > > Now i hope u may kind enough to answer me by point wise> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar> > > > > > > > NB -if there is any points i missed it is not intentional but it > depends> > on ur answers first as i needs to know ur awareness on it ,so pls> > cooperate with me .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > > dear Nambiar ji> > >> > > Thanks for your msg.> > >> > > >>>>>if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs > and> > > tides> > > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b > more<<<<<<<> > > I will like to add that full moon has nothing to do with volume of> > > tide / ebb.> > >> > >> > > >>>>>tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is caused by> > > interaction of earth ,moon and sun.<<<<<> > > But it was not the contention of our sages.> > >> > > >>>>>>as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body > is> > > fooling> > > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs > some> > > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs<<<<<<> > > But when astrologers are applying astrological principles, which > is> > > not yet proved correct. So do you want to say that we must follow> > > these principles in the hope that they will be proved correct > after> > > 1000 years. And secondly, by this statement are you not saying > that> > > these principles were formulated without any proof and without any> > > logic. If there is some logic then we must know it or find it out > to> > > analyze as to whether some major-minor correction is required or > not.> > > But my stand is that every principle was formulated on some logic > and> > > the then knowledge. Though that logic and knowledge is not at par> > > with modern knowledge hence every principle is now a bunch of > bogus> > > and outdated. I have analyzed every principle in detail in my > book.> > > But I will not push my views, instead I will like to know your> > > viewpoint.> > >> > > In some another msg you have stated that using a particular > ayanansh> > > is personal view. But how a particular value or constant may be> > > personal. Have you ever heard that value of pie or gravity or> > > distance of planets or angular arc etc. may be personal. That too> > > when ayanansh was never used by our sages like Parashar, > Varahmihir> > > and Aryabhatt. Thus either they may be right without using > ayanansh> > > while applying basic astrological principles or we may be wrong > after> > > applying one or different ayanansh on same primitive principles.> > >> > > I hope you will share your logical views.> > >> > > Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.> > >> > > Yours truly,> > > Sanat> > >> > >> > > PS : Other silent members may join and share their views.> > >> > > I am waiting for the reply of Shri Suprakash Ghosh Ji, on my msg > of> > > 16-12-8. I hope he may be quite OK.> > >> > >> > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear sanat ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks for ur post> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs and> > > tides> > > > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more> > > >> > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not> > > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by > astrologers,> > > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells, > which> > > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of > glass> > > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> > > >> > > >> > > > This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if it is> > > moon> > > > then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or > cant> > > blv> > > > unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs > and> > > tide> > > > is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun .> > > >> > > > Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of > moon is> > > > another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected by > moon> > > > ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > kujnthu hetu ----> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > hope now u got my point> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is> > > fooling> > > > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs > some> > > > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji,> > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your observation> > > > > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is> > > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that> > > there> > > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<<> > > > > I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do with> > > full> > > > > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is > near to> > > > > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract > water and> > > > > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and > matte of> > > > > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus tide-> ebb> > > may> > > > > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its rotational> > > cycle> > > > > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some > full> > > Moon> > > > > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night)> > > comparing> > > > > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to > the> > > > > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of > some> > > > > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant> > > clients.> > > > >> > > > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji,> > > > >> > > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not> > > > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by> > > astrologers,> > > > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells,> > > which> > > > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of> > > glass> > > > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?> > > > >> > > > > Regarding your comments> > > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur > claims> > > > > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv that > is> > > all >> > > > > I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging > our> > > views> > > > > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win. Please> > > have> > > > > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in support > of> > > his> > > > > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will > that> > > any> > > > > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is > bent> > > upon> > > > > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to > socalled> > > > > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such > personal> > > ego.> > > > > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am > sharing> > > my> > > > > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty of> > > > > individual to think on logic and decide his future action > either> > > on> > > > > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no > defeat or> > > win> > > > > concept but simply exchange of logical views.> > > > > "For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind set > and> > > I> > > > > will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of > snakes are> > > > > poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my> > > house. "> > > > > in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are > free> > > to> > > > > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to > share> > > > > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has> > > thinking> > > > > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based on> > > some> > > > > logical information then it is only a blindfaith.> > > > > Hence continue to share your views but never take it > personally.> > > > > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology but> > > > > without any logic. They just want to believe because some one > has> > > > > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up.> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > Sanat> > > > > PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share their> > > views> > > > > on any point.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Avtar Krishen > Kaul"> > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > > > Namaskar!> > > > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full > moon> > > day> > > > > and> > > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>> > > > > > It is only "Vedic astrologers" who have (deviouis) "brains"> > > through> > > > > > which they can "foresee" as to which mail was posted when, > even> > > if> > > > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!> > > > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full> > > Moon is> > > > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference > that> > > there> > > > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.> > > > > >> > > > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>> > > > > >> > > > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that > Avatars> > > > > can> > > > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly > excludes> > > the> > > > > > other tithis!> > > > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur > subjuct>> > > > > >> > > > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to> > > express> > > > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very > bad "Vedic> > > > > > astrologer" since you have not been able to "decipher" till> > > date as> > > > > > to what my subject is or is not!> > > > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever > u> > > call> > > > > > it .>> > > > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My "purpose of life" is to> > > prove> > > > > as> > > > > > to how on the shoulders of "Vedic astrology" the entire > Hindu> > > > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals > and> > > > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your "Full Moon syndrome" itself> > > shows> > > > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!> > > > > >> > > > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt > avatar 's> > > born> > > > > on> > > > > > such and such thithi>> > > > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that > Gautama> > > the> > > > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!> > > > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted> > > Tsunami> > > > > or> > > > > > natural calamity>> > > > > > On the one hand you are defending "Vedic astrology" to the > hilt> > > but> > > > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about > any> > > such> > > > > > thing!> > > > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur> > > claims> > > > > > and accept my defeat.>> > > > > >> > > > > > Glad to know that!> > > > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >> > > > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that> > > purpose> > > > > > you will have to bid adieu to "Vedic astrology"> > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > A K Kaul> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kaulji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full > moon> > > > > day> > > > > > and> > > > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur> > > subjuct ,u> > > > > > continue> > > > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt > avatar 's> > > > > born> > > > > > on> > > > > > > such and such thithi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted> > > Tsunami> > > > > or> > > > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as> > > first> > > > > of> > > > > > all u> > > > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are > not> > > > > > paying for> > > > > > > them for those who toil for it ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the> > > > > arguemnts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or> > > actual or> > > > > > common> > > > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur> > > claims> > > > > > and> > > > > > > accept my defeat .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen> > > Kaul"> > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > hinducivilization , "Avtar Krishen> > > Kaul"> > > > > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,> > > > > > > > Namaskar!> > > > > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned> > > accidently> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental > and not> > > > > > divine?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become> > > enlightened -> > > > > -> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become > enlightened> > > on> > > > > the> > > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the night > of> > > > > > amawas --> > > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of > this> > > > > fact> > > > > > he is> > > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means > the> > > great> > > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only going> > > > > against> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the full> > > moon.> > > > > > Gautam> > > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: he > was> > > > > born> > > > > > on a> > > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full moon> > > night,> > > > > he> > > > > > died> > > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just > coincidence.>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > That is the problem with "Vedic astrologers". They fly > off> > > at a> > > > > > > > tangent!> > > > > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss and> > > > > useless?> > > > > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan > Ram was> > > > > born> > > > > > on> > > > > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha on> > > > > > > > Chaturdashi!> > > > > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our > imported "Vamadevas"?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >> > > > > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's> > > > > betterment,> > > > > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled to> > > > > celebrate> > > > > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks> > > to "Vedic> > > > > > > > astrology"!> > > > > > > > Most of the top-notch "Vedic astrologers" fell on bad > days> > > at> > > > > the> > > > > > fag> > > > > > > > end of their "greatest achievements". BVR is the latest> > > example!> > > > > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire has> > > gone> > > > > up> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is > that the> > > > > good> > > > > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has as > yet> > > ever> > > > > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any terror> > > attack> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > before hand! All hogwash!> > > > > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool > of a> > > > > common> > > > > > > > man.> > > > > > > > Dhanyavad.> > > > > > > > A K Kaul> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "sreedhar.nambiar"> > > > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear grp .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how planets> > > affect> > > > > > us .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever > they cud> > > > > > > > emulate .that> > > > > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys > known> > > as> > > > > > muni 's> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > rishies in ancient india .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who wants > wat> > > > > logic> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to > unravel> > > it .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was> > > > > > accidental .May b> > > > > > > > > megaplan of gods .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed by> > > > > god ,even> > > > > > > > most of> > > > > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned> > > accidently .Nothing was> > > > > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ----------> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so > intimately.. .> > > but> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see the> > > ocean -> > > > > -> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the moon > is> > > far> > > > > > away.> > > > > > > > And> > > > > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you > are> > > > > > affected,> > > > > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become> > > > > enlightened --> > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become> > > enlightened> > > > > on> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the > night of> > > > > > amawas --> > > > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of> > > this> > > > > > fact he> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means > the> > > > > great> > > > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only > going> > > > > > against the> > > > > > > > > current but achieving it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the > full> > > moon.> > > > > > Gautam> > > > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon: > he> > > was> > > > > > born on> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full > moon> > > > > night,> > > > > > he> > > > > > > > died> > > > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just > coincidence.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects > of> > > the> > > > > full> > > > > > > > moon> > > > > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering. > On> > > the> > > > > full> > > > > > > > moon> > > > > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the > number> > > is> > > > > > almost> > > > > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the > number is> > > > > > almost> > > > > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the > number is> > > > > > almost> > > > > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the > human> > > > > psyche.> > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it> > > affects> > > > > you.> > > > > > > > Since> > > > > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets, > the> > > > > > painters,> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel > that> > > > > > something> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays > of> > > the> > > > > full> > > > > > > > moon> > > > > > > > > are hand in hand....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a big> > > vessel> > > > > and> > > > > > > > watch> > > > > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to > sea ,u> > > > > can> > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so how u explain it ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl> > > then ???> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain it .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly > or i> > > can> > > > > > reject> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > outrightly .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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