Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " <sreedhar.nambiar wrote: dear Kaul ji 1)They claim having proved/explained something which no scientist had ever been able to prove/explain! I asked to proov u and ur cronies to proov tides scientificaly ( which is ur another pet foolish word ) on table top in a lab conditions ( pls re read messge and the more u read u will get more illumination ) that it is caused by moon .Can u point out one word which i said other thithies doesnt cause it ? 2)You are very sanguine that people become lunatics on Full Moon nights! Do you mean to say that nobody has ever gone made on any other tithi? The burden of proof in on u too proov other thithies also equaly share with full moon days ( i mean the percentage of madness ,) 3)enlightenment on Full Moon only? simple statemnts wont b treated as proof ,u proov it other wise that full moon is general like other days 4)The fact of the matter is that tithis were prevailing right from the Rigveda! So were the adhika masa! We have also the most indigenous astronomical work which tells us as to how to calculate mean tithi etc. proov me how they calculated and which is this astronomical work now u says .otherwise u always claims vedic seers dont know any thing till xians came to india and some 200 yrs ago Nasa strted giving out all datas and same time u folowed it with ur nasha calender which says celebrate all unprooved festivals on wrong data by u .( u cannot date it --u r just acting like a mimicry artist than showing real valid points ) 5) if one ayanamsha is correct all the rest of them are incorrect! sure ,but it is personal level , all the billions ppl in world walk diffrntly ,talk diffrntly look diffrntly ,so there is some thing called individual level of awareness ..I am least bothered abt ayanamsa problems which ever suits to me and giv correctness i will follow . but u can bother abt it .as there is plenty of pre paid time availble with u 6)But they do not want to " divulge " that secret to anybody! sure ,it is natural even US dont like others doing atomic nuclear experimnts and or getting that knowledge than their controlled way .Now even strted intelectual property rights anti piracay etc .what for all this if they r supposed to come and proov to u and disclose to as u r asking questions in some grps .Or u wont agree it ,did they care u ?? 7)You are blissfully unaware of the fact that astronomically it is impossible for there being twelve exact and equal " compatements " which astrologers call Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis U r blissfully unaware that Nakshtra is also similar and more finer in the divisions than rasies .Nakshtra padas r again more finer divisions ,and so on .And the division is mathematical where indians were leading in world .So How i can improve ur unwillingness to see real facts .i am seeing nth mail on this to u by many many many ppl and u think by keeping on nagging and by being adamnt , they will go away one day even if he is einstein and that day u r a winner in ur foolish paradise ,so it is ur basic problem .No cure for it . even u dont know or u prooved why muhurtha is used if there is no concept of good and badness of time frame .And it is applicble with futre effect .even u never prooved ur idea abt muhurtha in vedas and how some one can calculate it .And use it . 8)BVR also claimed ,/KNR! He has now disowned Vedic astrology completely All this has nothing to do with me ,even i dont know rao ji disowned vedic astrology . 9)just get rid of your fatal infatuation with the non-existent Vedic astrology and be true to your dharma! I am advising u to get rid of ur ignorence . regrds sreedhar nambiar hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > Namaskar! > <when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely > intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the > scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer > me ,even the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i > dont know reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not > working in Lab conditions other wise how any one can proov it .> > > This is a surprising statement, but something that I have become used > to since almost all the " Vedic astrologers " talk in the same vein! > They claim having proved/explained something which no scientist had > ever been able to prove/explain! > > You are very sanguine that people become lunatics on Full Moon > nights! Do you mean to say that nobody has ever gone made on any > other tithi? > Why do you foget that there are ebbs and tides on other days also > besides Full Moons? > Then again, it is not only on Full Moons that people have become > enlighened! For that matter, has every Budhist monk got > enlightenment on Full Moon only? > > <then again next breath u r saying there is no > vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or > calculate thithies etc .> > You are deliberately twisting my statements, again ---- like all > the " Vedic astrologers " . The fact of the matter is that tithis were > prevailing right from the Rigveda! So were the adhika masa! We have > also the most indigenous astronomical work which tells us as to how > to calculate mean tithi etc. > Yes, it is a fact that the Vedic Seers were not astro-buffs, unlike > impostor Vamadevas! That is why the Seers were not interested in > planetary longitudes, especially with respect to the non-existent > Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis! > > <even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any > celebrations we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity > which is not available to ur calender .so i dont think i can > celebrate it even if iaccept it> > Obviously, you do not want to celebrate them on proper days because > of your fatal infatuation with " Vedic astrology " . > You have no idea that Puranas talk of so called Sayana Rashis! Or is > it that you are deliberately ignoring those statements also? > > < And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose > only and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my > interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing lot > of yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre > or even accuracy of predictions.> > > Your " experience " is like that of millions of other " Vedic > astrologers " ---they make " correct predictions " (sic!) from thousands > of Ayanamshas, which is actually impossible, since if one ayanamsha > is correct all the rest of them are incorrect! > BVR also claimed to make correct predictions--from an entirely > different ayanamsh! Same was the claim of his redoubtable daughter > Gayatri Devi Vasudev! And you know the fate of them all! Similar is > also the claim of " Raman of North " viz. KNR! He has now disowned > Vedic astrology completely, realizing his mistake at the fag end of > his life! I have read quite a few predictions of all of them! > Extremely few, if any, predictions have proved correct---which may > just be a sheer chance! > Your statement, " interaction with good astrologers who realy studied > it investing lot of yrs " is very interesting! Most of the " learned > astrologers " are themselves convinced that " Vedic astrology " is a > fifty-fifty chance! But they do not want to " divulge " that secret to > anybody! Aakhir paapi pet ka saval jo hai! > You are blissfully unaware of the fact that astronomically it is > impossible for there being twelve exact and equal " compatements " > which astrologers call Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis---especially the so > called nirayana ones since the " Vedic asrologers " themselves do not > know which imaginary division starts from which imaginary point! > > As such, pl. do some real homework and just get rid of your fatal > infatuation with the non-existent Vedic astrology and be true to your > dharma! > Dhanayavad. > A K Kaul > hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar " > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote: > > > > Re: Fwd: Full Moon Night > > > > > > > > Kaul ji > > > > > > > > sure u r very well free to express ur opinions but u r not allowed > to > > force ur agenda into some one by calling names or humilaiting or > even > > approaching with pre set ideas and plans . > > > > when i posted this mail i asked a serious question and ur timely > > intervention was immnse help to topple the subjuct to avoid the > > scientific community to answer it --pls re read it and answer > me ,even > > the most sought after scientific brains r silent on it ,so i dont > know > > reject even this tides and ebbs in sea too ,as it is not working > in Lab > > conditions other wise how any one can proov it .As a policy of our > grp > > even if millions exprnced it we shud reject it right ??if we r > > scientific is it not . > > > > U urself is saying there is no valid proof of thithies this > avatars > > born or any events of religion nature Like sri ram s victory or > > narakasura mardanam etc .then again next breath u r saying there is > no > > vedic or ancient indian system to calculate planetary position or > > calculate thithies etc .Then can u tell me what u r after ?? To > make us > > accept the nasa calender ?? > > > > > > > > even if i accept ur claims it wont solv my problem as any > celebrations > > we need a grp and also some sort of sanction /sanctity which is not > > available to ur calender .so i dont think i can celebrate it even > if i > > accept it > > > > > > > > And i repeat my exrnce with vedic astrology is predictiv purpose > only > > and i am satisfied with results with my simple knowledge and my > > interaction with good astrologers who realy studied it investing > lot of > > yrs ,at any point of time i never had any doubts on their calibre or > > even accuracy of predictions . > > > > first u and society support astrology and then complain abt why no > one > > predicted natural calamity ,it is like without paying army u r > teaching > > them patriotism .i will say it is simple begging . > > > > heros will b in a society where there is hero worship and support > for > > such heros .other wise such a society will hav zeros like u only . > > > > if u learned astro as u claim ur 50 yrs knowledge then pls answer > me > > some doubts of mine then i can blv u and ur eleigibility to talk > against > > or pro abt astrology .( reading some european translation is > cannot b > > considered as ur eligibility ) > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji, > > > Namaskar! > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon > day and > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world> > > > It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have (deviouis) " brains " > through > > > which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted when, even if > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same! > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers, Full Moon > is > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference that > there > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night. > > > > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??> > > > > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that Avatars > can > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly excludes the > > > other tithis! > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct> > > > > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free to > express > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very bad " Vedic > > > astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher " till date > as > > > to what my subject is or is not! > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call > > > it .> > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life " is to prove > as > > > to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire Hindu > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the festivals and > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome " itself shows > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts! > > > > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born on > > > such and such thithi> > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that Gautama > the > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night! > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > Tsunami or > > > natural calamity> > > > On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to the hilt > but > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about any such > > > thing! > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur claims > > > and accept my defeat.> > > > > > > Glad to know that! > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all > > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that purpose > > > you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology " > > > With regards, > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar " > > > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaulji > > > > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full moon day > > > and > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ?? > > > > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur subjuct ,u > > > continue > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call it . > > > > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt avatar 's > born > > > on > > > > such and such thithi > > > > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer predicted > Tsunami or > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it as first > of > > > all u > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me are not > > > paying for > > > > them for those who toil for it , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win the > arguemnts > > > > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or actual > or > > > common > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims . > > > > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur > claims > > > and > > > > accept my defeat . > > > > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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